SHEILA GUNN REID | Trudeau Liberals forced to delay firearms confiscation compensation program
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The Liberals quietly extended their so-called gun buyback program at the last minute. Are the wheels falling off the Liberals' gun control agenda? We ll talk about it today on The Gun Show with Sheila Gunn-Reed ( ) and Rick Igersich ( ) with the NFA.
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The Liberals quietly extended their so-called gun buyback program at the last minute.
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Are the wheels falling off the Liberals' gun control agenda?
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.
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Two weeks ago, at really what appears to be the very last minute, the Liberals decided to extend their so-called amnesty period for gun owners who had not yet turned over their lawfully acquired firearms to the state for destruction after their firearms were just reclassified out of the ether through an order in council by the Liberal government.
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And in May 2020, Justin Trudeau, apropos of a tragedy not involving lawful Canadian gun owners, decided to reclassify 1,500 models of Canadian shotguns and rifles, calling them assault-style weapons, which is really a word that means nothing.
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It's completely undefined, and the Liberals like it that way, because that way you can continue to, as the Liberals did, shoehorn other models into the ban until, you know, now the ban approaches 2,000 models.
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Well, the owners were supposed to, by the end of this month in 2023, turn over our firearms to the state, wherein the state would allegedly compensate us for the loss of our lawfully acquired property.
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You can't buy back something you didn't own in the first place.
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It was compensation for confiscation, as lawful Canadian gun owners were scapegoated for the crimes of other people, including the rising crime rates in Canada's urban municipalities.
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And as you'll note, those urban municipalities are progressively run.
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You know, name a major city in this country that isn't run by a progressive mayor.
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Anyway, at the last minute, the Liberals decided to extend their buyback program, buyback program, to October 2025.
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If these guns are so deadly, and people like me who may or may not own them are so dangerous, wouldn't you want to get them off the street right away?
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Well, thanks to liberal ineptitude, they can't manage to figure it out.
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So maybe we really aren't all that dangerous after all.
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But this is just one way that the Liberals' gun control agenda is just coming apart at the seams.
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So joining me today is good friend of Rebel News, good friend of the show, and good friend of the firearms community, Rick Igersich from Canada's National Firearms Association,
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talking about, well, just the complete and total mess that the Liberals are making of gun control in this country.
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And I think, frankly, we should be glad that they are so bad at it.
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So joining me now is Rick Igersich with the National Firearms Association.
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There's so much happening in gun news as the Liberals are letting things just ride right down to the wire.
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And they're proposing new gun bans and they're banning guns just completely off the cuff.
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And thanks for being such a good friend to Rebel News and to gun owners like myself.
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I wanted to talk to you about this thing that sort of happened in the middle of last week regarding the Tavor.
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At the end of the day, we got blindsided by the RCMP once again.
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On October 25th, actually, on October 5th, the RCMP decided that they were going to ban another firearm.
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And that firearm being Micro Tavor X95 MSW Carabine.
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Okay, these guns were imported in Canada over the last 10 years.
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We don't know the exact numbers because of privacy issues.
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We have a rough idea, but there's several hundred of them out there.
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But on October 5th, the owners of these firearms began receiving registration revocation letters prohibiting the firearm from the RCMP.
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The RCMP, actually, on further review, and I just got this intelligence a few days ago, they're calling the firearm a machine gun now.
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Which is a classic RCMP, in my opinion, a make-work project with the Liberals.
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As I mentioned earlier, what we can tell, there were several hundred of these firearms sold.
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With this registration revocation letter, the RCMP gave the owners of these firearms some options.
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They didn't give them all the options, but they gave them a few.
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The NFA actually gave them another option, which I'll get into a little later.
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The first option was to turn the firearm into your local RCMP detachment for destruction with no compensation.
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The second was to get the firearm deactivated and verified so you could possess it.
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So that process involved sending the firearm to a person who could deactivate it,
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and then it had to go to the firearm center in Ottawa to be verified that it was deactivated.
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And in our opinion, in most cases, the firearm never would have been returned back to the owner
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because how can you absolutely 100% deactivate a firearm?
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The third option was to take it back to the store where you purchased it.
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The firearm would be sent back to the wholesaler.
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The wholesaler would give a store credit to the wholesale price of the firearm.
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Not the retail price, but the wholesale price of the firearm.
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Not cash back, but a store credit to the initial point of purchase.
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The problem with that is some of these firearms changed hands two or three times.
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So therefore, this was only available to the original purchaser.
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The fourth option brings us at Canada's National Firearms into play.
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We launched this out over all our social media platforms that if you contact us,
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we can provide you with a package on how to file a Section 74 reference review.
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This, in turn, extends the time that the firearms owner has to comply with the ultimatum from the RCMP.
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And it also gives us time to delve deeper into this and possibly challenge this registration and revocation.
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So anybody out there that has one of these firearms, please contact us.
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And we will provide you with a package on how to go about filing a Section 74 reference review.
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That will put your firearm basically in limbo for the time being until we can figure this out
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In my opinion, this whole thing was another collaboration between the RCMP and the Liberal government
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just to add another wedge issue to firearms owners.
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So please, anybody that has one of these firearms out there, please contact us at blair at nfa.ca.
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And we will provide you with a package on how to move forward with a Section 94 reference review.
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And that will definitely prolong the time period from which you have to use one of the other three options.
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So, Rick, explain this for non-gun owners, because this is something that gun owners have been dealing with for a long time.
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This sort of stuff puts gun owners at odds with their friends in the RCMP because the RCMP brass and busybodies
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in the RCMP bureaucracy have decided to just, outside of Parliament, reclassify a gun.
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They're completely on the right side of the law.
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They wake up in the morning and they're a criminal in possession of a prohibited weapon.
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Explain to people how this can happen to a gun owner.
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Because if this happened to any other piece of private property, there would be uproar.
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But because this happens to guns and gun owners, nobody's, well, I won't say nobody seems to care.
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But it seems to be a bit of a niche issue for a lot of the Canadian population.
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One day you're out shooting gophers with your Ruger 10-22, with your 25-shot magazine,
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The RCMP has been given more powers than I believe they need to have.
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It's almost like they're, when the RCMP starts making laws, they're no longer a law enforcement body.
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They're an agent for the government to create laws.
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And in Canada, a police body doesn't make laws.
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So how they do this, it's, again, it's the Liberal government giving them powers that should be going through Parliament
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When a police force starts to make laws, the state becomes a police state,
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And right now, in my opinion, the RCMP are acting like we are in a police state making these laws out of the blue.
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Now, they do have powers as far as working with the government to make changes to the Firearms Act
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But I believe stuff like this should be going through Parliament, not through the RCMP, not through a police force.
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Yeah, I mean, this should be put to the people and it should be done by people that we can hold accountable during elections.
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And some anti-gun bureaucrat somewhere in the RCMP is making laws affecting Canadian gun owners
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and rendering our private property completely useless or of little to no value.
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When you decommission a gun, where's its value?
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You know, just like their order in council with a handgun freeze,
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they basically made millions and millions of dollars worth of property worthless overnight.
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It's just it's an extension of powers that I don't believe should be there.
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We need at the end of the day, we need a government change.
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And someone who will strip the bureaucrats and the RCMP of this power.
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I know members of the RCMP who don't want the RCMP to have this power.
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These are the guys tasked with enforcing bad laws and they don't want to do it.
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And they end up being the face of bad decisions made by somebody in a cubicle somewhere who never
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I want to talk to you about other bad liberal decisions.
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The reclassification of 1500, although that quickly grew.
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I think it's near 2000 models of Canadian shotguns and rifles.
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They did it undemocratically through an order in council.
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But the liberals, thankfully, their own ineptitude has resulted in this thing being pushed down
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The first one, there was nothing in place, you know, no logistics.
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There was nothing in place to start this alleged confiscation.
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It's definitely to start this confiscation of firearms.
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Number two, there was no money really allotted to do this because they really don't know how
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much money they need because a lot of these firearms aren't registered.
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And they really don't know how much money they really need.
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The third issue was after SECU and Bill C-21 and the order in council in 71, it was actually
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With that said, I know with our order in council case that the NFA is funding, we were advised
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quite some time before that, that there will be an extension.
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I know other groups filed an injunction, but our lawyer advised us not to because the injection,
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Justice Cain and the federal crown had told them that there was an amnesty extension in place.
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So at the NFA, we didn't want to waste any members' resources as far as filing an injunction
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We sooner, you know, use the money where it can actually help reverse some of this stuff.
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So that's why I just wanted to clarify, that's why the NFA didn't file an injunction.
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It was on our lawyer's advice and on Justice Cain and the federal crown that there definitely
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was going to be, there was going to be an extension put into place and all parties involved in
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The big reason is, and again, I go back to the big reason is, the liberals have nothing
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I know they're running into a few snags with a couple of the provinces, actually, Terry
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Bryant and Rob Freeberg yesterday in SECD actually stated that, again, that they're not
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going to use provincial resources to help them do this.
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Those are two CFOs that are really pushing for on the right side of things and are really
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And I, you know, I thank them both for doing what they're doing.
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But at the end of the day, like I say, there's nothing in place to keep this going.
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And the irony of this whole thing is also, if this amnesty, the current amnesty would have
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expired, that would have left the liberals in a really awkward place because at the end
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of the day, they probably would have had to withdrew the whole thing.
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If it would have expired, I believe, you know, that the thing would have been null and void
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So that was the other reason that it probably got extended.
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You know, and they left it right down to the wire.
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Like people were very concerned that they would have been criminals because they didn't turn
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But there was no program in place for them to turn in their guns.
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And it seemed like the liberals didn't care because we're just these people that would
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You almost think they did that on purpose just to, you know, wind people up.
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They knew what they were doing long before they extended the amnesty.
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But I think it's part of their MO is to, you know, get people excited and thinking and,
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But I think that's the way, and you know it just as well as I know it should, that's the
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They bring anxiety up in people and then at the 11th hour, they change things.
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That's how they justified the OIC, the Order and Council in the first place.
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They pitted urban Canadians and Canadians who don't know anything about guns against people
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who enjoy part of their hunting heritage and enjoy the lawful use and ownership of their
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They made us the bad guys because they didn't want to deal with the real bad guys.
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Well, you know, and at SECD, LeBlanc, he was talking in circles again yesterday too.
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He just, you know, they put him in as the cleanup guy and he was talking in circles.
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You know, he was bringing, he was bringing in the people of the North to, you know, that
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there's, there's going to be a different rule for them and, you know, and then, you know,
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maybe pass it on to the provinces and let the provinces decide how they're going to handle
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this, this, these, this bill, this, this changes in the law.
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He didn't, he didn't really know what he was talking about.
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And, uh, in my opinion, anything he said wasn't credible.
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You know, I, it's almost like he knows what's going on, but he doesn't.
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That's the feeling I was getting with that said on a Thursday, November 2nd, I will be
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Uh, I'm going to approach it a little different than everybody else does.
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I'm going to approach it as a, as a, as a layman.
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I'm going to, I'm going to speak to the Senate as somebody that this affects somebody on
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the ground, somebody that, uh, that, you know, has heirlooms that are third generation
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I'm going to put it, I'm going to put it to him as a layman because, uh, you know, we
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get a bunch of, uh, academics and lawyers and stuff giving testimony.
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And it just, I think in my opinion, it confuses the Senate.
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And I'm willing to field any good questions they have for me because, you know, the, the,
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the facts don't change and the facts don't lie.
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You know, I'm, I'm so glad that you're going to approach it that way because, you know,
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you can get caught up in, you know, the science of ballistics and, and crime studies, but none
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of that has anything to do with me or you as a lawful user.
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Uh, really, uh, we're not the ones committing the crimes.
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It doesn't matter the ballistics of my heirloom firearm that my ancestors used to clear the
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land and protect their livestock where I live today.
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And I will not be able to give those to my children.
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And there's, you know, to have somebody who's willing to communicate that on behalf of,
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you know, just people like me, just normal people who just want to be able to hang on
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I want to just circle back to Dominic LeBlanc's testimony here because, you know, you said
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he was just sort of making things up as he went now, Dominic LeBlanc, the public safety
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One thing he said was very, very true though, and it should frighten gun owners.
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And it is the potential for not the potential, the promise of a future decree of more guns
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So whatever happens with Bill C-21, whatever happens with the Ordering Council, the fight
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is nowhere near done because no matter how many times the Liberals lose in court, how many
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times they have to kick the can down the road of the compensation program, they're still
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coming at us because this is part of who they are.
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And there comes their Firearms Advisory Committee into play.
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Now, this is supposedly supposed to be comprised of people from all parts of the government
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I doubt very much they want to hear our opinion on this stuff.
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Everybody knows at the end of the day, this is going to be comprised of bureaucrats, politicians,
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and lawyers, and they're going to follow the Liberal wave without any input from people
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But not women's groups that involve women like me, but women's groups who advocate for
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You know, Rick, now that we're talking about this, I'm going to flip you some documents.
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The show will go out on Wednesday, but I have a story going live today.
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I got my hands on the communications strategy for Bill C-21 and their targeted social media
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And guess who the first, like they had the groups divided into like primary, secondary,
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and tertiary that the Liberals planned to communicate with.
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Yeah, Polytechnic, LGBTQ organizations like EGAL, and women's groups.
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They were trying to get the chiefs of police on side with them.
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And it's funny how the people tasked with enforcing the bad law were the people that,
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the second people they wanted to talk to, not the first.
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And then the tertiary groups were the people they described as least affected by the messaging,
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We were the third on their list of considerations.
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We were just like a sort of like the pencil in.
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You know, I've been at this for a little while now, and I've been finding that gun owners
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from across Canada, law-abiding Canadians, are the Liberals' play toys.
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When there's an election coming up, the big bad gun stuff comes out.
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When they're down in the polls, the big bad gun stuff comes up.
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On the other hand, sometimes they mess up like SECU, where they were put on the spot
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and they were caught in a bunch of lies, and it works against them.
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I don't know if you noticed or not, but the gun issue seems to go way down in the list,
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which it has in the last few weeks after the changes were made,
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after Mendocino got moved, after Pam Damoff was taken off public safety.
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You know, and it's groups like ours that catch them in these lies, and we put it out there.
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And that makes a big difference because we have a pretty extensive reach,
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which now seems like we're being shadow banned.
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Yeah, and, you know, lately we've been shadow banned, and, you know, with C-11 and C-18 coming into force,
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it's hurting organizations that are actually getting the truth out there.
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It's another containment ploy by the Liberals to control mainstream media.
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You know, give mainstream media lots of money, and you've got a really good hold of them.
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So I'm sure you guys at Rebel are seeing the same thing, Sheila.
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And, you know, it's just, you know, it's hard these days to get the truth out.
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I know, and I just want to mention this, and I know you guys are doing the same thing.
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We're going to be offering a VPN so people can actually receive Canadian news through a different country.
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It seems in today's world, it's the only way that we can get the word out because, like I say,
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on our platforms, we're definitely being shadow banned.
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And any news that we want to share, we can't share in Canada because of Bill C-11 and C-18.
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So I don't know if you wanted to touch more on that, Sheila, but, you know, that's the crazy part of today's world.
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Yeah, where can people find out more about your VPN? On the NFA website?
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Yeah, we haven't put it out yet. This is kind of an early release.
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We're just working on it, and we're just finalizing it right now.
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It will be on the NFA website. It will be offered at a discounted price so people can hear the news.
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Because I think, you know, it's just the way, this is, the world is a crazy place right now,
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and Canada is a more crazy place, in my opinion.
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And this is the only way we can reach people that can make a difference.
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You know, every time we have one, every time I have one of these shows with you,
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and, you know, I always say, you know, get out and vote and change the government.
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We need to, you know, get the word out as far as law-abiding Canadians go.
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Tell them what the government is doing to you, what the government is doing to, you know,
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People need to sit down and start working on this.
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And I know lately at the NFA, we've been getting a crazy number of calls from gun owners
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and non-gun owners alike and saying, you know, what's going on with our personal property?
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You know, we're on your platforms, and all of a sudden we're getting all these blanks
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And, you know, we're inundated with calls about that stuff.
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It's people like Rebel News that are getting the same thing, I'm sure, Sheila.
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For example, I can't share a clip of my own work to my own Instagram page,
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thanks to Justin Trudeau's attempted shakedown of Meta.
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So, you know, and with all this stuff going on in the firearms world,
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this information and, you know, this Tavor thing, it needs to get out.
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But how do you get it out when you're getting blocked on every platform that you have?
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You know, it's so hopefully this show gets out,
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and hopefully people, you know, do put a VPN on their...
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It's a sad state of affairs when you have to go through U.S. or Czechoslovakia to hear Canadian news.
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And hopefully people will see that on our website,
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and hopefully they'll get a VPN so they can actually hear what we're doing at the NFA
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and hear what you people at Rebel News are doing.
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You know, that's a good spot to wrap up the interview because, like you,
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and that helps us get around Justin Trudeau's censorship.
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But the only way for the NFA to be able to email you directly
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is if you give them your email address and you sign up with them.
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So tell people how they can support the work that you are doing at the NFA
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on behalf of law-abiding Canadians all across this country.
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Everything that you need to know about joining and helping and getting news,
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When you join, you'll be getting that once a week.
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We have a few paid employees, but most of the people are volunteers.
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Like I say, your money is going towards the good fight.
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You know, it's not, you know, our membership is growing at a crazy rate right now.
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A lot of our members aren't even firearms owners, but they are joining us
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because of the fight for the rights and freedoms of Canadians.
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Another thing, like I said before, write a letter to your MP.
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And number three, when this election finally does come about, get out and vote
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Right now, if there were an election today, it'd be a conservative super majority.
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So, you know, the Liberals are losing ground every day.
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Please help them lose more ground and get into the fight.
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I don't care who you vote for, just as long as you don't vote for a Liberal.
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Well, Rick, thanks so much for coming on the show.
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Thanks for the activism and hard work that you put in for families just like mine.
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Seems like there's always something new to fight with Ottawa about.
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Well, friends, we've come to the portion of the show wherein I invite your viewer feedback.
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I say it every week, so I know if you're a regular viewer, it might get a little redundant.
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But I actually care about what you think about the work that we do here at Rebel News.
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And I appreciate your viewer feedback, even the bad stuff, because it gives me an opportunity
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Sometimes the criticisms are valid and, you know, we can make things better.
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And it also gives me an opportunity to tell you why I think the way that I do.
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You know, if you have an opinion and you can't defend it, then it's maybe not an opinion at all,
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but rather just an act of faith that you believe that way.
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Um, and it's the reason I give out my email address right now.
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Put gun show letters in the subject line so that I can find it easily.
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Uh, because sometimes I do get upwards of like a hundred emails a day, depending on what sort
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of controversial or sometimes nonsensical off the cuff thing that I said.
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So anyways, gun show letters in the subject line, Sheila at RebelNews.com.
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But also, if you are watching us on one of the free versions of the show on Rumble or
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YouTube, first, let me thank you for sitting through the ads that helps us pay the bills
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Um, but also, uh, leave a comment in the comment section.
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Sometimes I get brave and go looking through the comment section over there for your viewer
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Now, today's viewer feedback, it, it came to me as a gun show letter, but it really had
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nothing to do with the show that I did last week.
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Um, because it gives me an opportunity to answer a viewer question, which I have been seeing
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So it comes to me from Steve and Steve says, well, Steve starts off with the, um, the HR
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practice of putting the criticism in the middle of a compliment sandwich.
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So anyway, let's, let's read Steve's letter to me.
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I donated when you went overseas to drop off petition to help our country in trouble.
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So that was when I went with Sarah Miller, our lawyer helping, uh, Pastor Art Poloski,
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and we drafted a human rights complaint and we delivered it to Geneva, to the United Nations
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human rights people, uh, to raise awareness about the plight of, uh, pastors and religious
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So we did that, but it's all we could do, right?
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Anyway, thank you for donating to help us do that.
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It was just like, try to get from Edmonton all the way to Geneva, have a shower, wash the
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airport grime off, uh, go to the United Nations, uh, film Sarah dropping it off, do a quick little
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interview with Sarah, then go, uh, try to sleep a few hours, but that didn't work because I was
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And then I called some people who were interested in my work while I was there.
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And then I went and ran around the old part of Geneva, quite literally ran around.
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But I went for a run to help me with the jet lag.
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Um, but Steve asks a question that I have been seeing a lot of.
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Now I keep getting calls from strange phone numbers saying,
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Ezra Levant and Rebel News asked me to call you for money.
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I get, I get a lot of emails about this, but have got no response.
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See, there's the bottom part of the compliment sandwich with the criticism in the middle.
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Anyway, uh, love your work and Rebel News, truthful news.
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So if you are getting, uh, phone calls, uh, yes, those are, um, people who are reaching
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out to you on behalf of us here at Rebel News, um, because they're, I mean, in the time of
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Justin Trudeau's immense censorship, um, we want to make sure that we stay connected with
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And if you like the work that we do, you know, we don't take any money from Justin Trudeau.
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We rely on the support of our viewers at home to keep the lights on, to keep the gun show
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going and to, um, help us in what I think is a bit of a ministry, like the real ministry of truth,
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where the truth is actually the truth and not the lies, um, in, you know, in the story of Orwell.
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So, um, yes, the, that those are legitimate people calling on behalf of Rebel News to say,
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hey, if you like us, would you mind helping us to keep going?
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And so, um, I'm glad that you reached out to me.
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I'm glad I was able to, um, provide some clarity.
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I know a lot of people are concerned because that's not something that we normally do.
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Um, but you know, maybe you don't read all the emails, uh, that we send you.
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And I understand I don't read all the emails we send me either.
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Sometimes our emails end up in your spam folder.
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And we just thought maybe we'll try a different way to talk to our, our friends and supporters.
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I'm glad I could answer that question for you, Steve.
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And thank you for your, uh, kind words about the work that we do here at Rebel News.
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And I'm, I'm so also so glad that so many people are so protective of us, uh, that you would
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reach out and say like, oh my gosh, there are people out there calling me and using your
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And, uh, I, uh, that makes me happy that you are so protective of, of what we are and
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I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.
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And as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.