SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Trudeau's journalists show no humility even after getting so much wrong
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What's it like to be a conservative inside the media room at the Public Order Emergency Commission? Well, friends, we ve got a woman on the inside who s got many secrets to share. Sheila Gunn-Reed sits down with reporter Celine Gallus to talk about what it s like being a conservative in the room with corporate media.
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What's it like to be a conservative inside the media room at the Public Order Emergency
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Commission? Well, friends, we've got a woman on the inside who's got many secrets to share.
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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My friend and colleague Selene Gallas left behind her life in Calgary a few weeks ago to basically
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relocate to Ottawa, where she's been reporting on the Public Order Emergency Commission,
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something we're calling the Trucker Commission here at Rebel News. The commission itself is a
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failsafe built into the Emergencies Act to make sure that no tyrannical buffoon ever invokes a
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civil liberties suspending wartime law on peaceful political dissidents who are embarrassing
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said buffoon in the nation's capital. But that's, of course, exactly what Justin Trudeau did
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with the Convoy for Freedom. And now there has to be a full accounting to prove the justification for
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invoking the law. And frankly, it's not going all that well for the government. You can see and support
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all of our coverage at truckercommission.com. The commission is teeming with snickering
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mainstream journalists who are happy to push their paymaster's narrative that the bouncy castles
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and hot tubs of the convoy brought by thousands of truckers who were on the streets of Ottawa for
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nearly four weeks are somehow domestic terrorists. And we know what those journalists are saying
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officially. It's in their articles. But what are they like when they think nobody's watching?
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Are they worse? They're often, but not always, snickering and mocking and just plain rude. And
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we know this because we have Rebel News journalists also at the commission reporting the other side of
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the story. So, Celine Gallus joins me tonight in an interview we recorded yesterday morning from the
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Rebel News Live satellite studio, the Airbnb, up the road from the commission to say what it's like
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in the room with Justin Trudeau's bought and paid for corporate media. Check it out.
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So, joining me now from the Rebel News satellite HQ in Ottawa is one of my favorite people,
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one of the hardest working new journalists in Canada, Celine Gallus. Celine, thanks so much for
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coming on the show. You're on a break from the Public Order Emergency Commission, what we're calling
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the Trucker Commission. You can see all of Celine's work at truckercommission.com. As I said,
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run a lunch break. So, we're going to make this tight and tidy because Celine also still has to eat
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and then run down the street and get back to the commission. Celine, I wanted to ask you, because
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you've been in there, this is your second, I think, full week of being inside the commission building.
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You're with the other journalists. What's the feel in the room with the other journalists?
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I like being in rooms with other journalists because I feel like my mere presence makes them
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uncomfortable. What's it like? Are they listening or can, are they the kind of people that you can tell
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where they stand just by watching them and their body language?
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Absolutely, you can. It's very apparent. And it was particularly very apparent when the convoy,
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the representative, let's say the volunteers, there's a lot of stigma against, you know,
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labeling people as leaders when there was no leaders of this convoy. But primarily when they
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were protesting, or sorry, when they were giving their testimonies, people would start laughing in
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the room. Or if someone was especially emotional, then they would just laugh or make catty comments and
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gossip in the room. Like it was very, I was surprised. There's, there's two people from
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the commission that sit at the back of the room. And I, I, I suppose they should be there to kind of
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monitor that the rules and regulations of the room in terms of keeping volume down, you know,
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phone volume low, et cetera, are being met. But no one has said anything. And they definitely know who
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we are. So you're right. I do like working in that room because when we walk in the rebel crew,
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everyone kind of just, you know, they do their turns and I do the hair flip and then I just take
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my seat and I start working. So it's very good in that regard, but it is apparent, Sheila, you can
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definitely see where they stand and you can see the consistent narrative that they choose to project.
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There's been some recent, I mean, you've seen the, the CTV articles that have been released,
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et cetera, and their narrative is now changing because everything in the commission that's coming out
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points to the fact that these were not misogynist domestic terrorists with this crazy agenda to,
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you know, hold a insurrection in the capital of Canada. But in fact, they were just a bunch of
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people fed up with the unjust COVID mandates and restrictions. And now they're starting to be like,
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yeah, you know, it seems like due to all the testimonies, we probably shouldn't have made fun
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of them and, and called them terrorists and followed in the steps of premier or, uh, pardon me,
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prime minister Trudeau. So that's about it from that perspective.
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You know, just to go back a second, you belong in that room more than those other journalists do.
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Sure. They're the fancy mainstream journalists, but they get all their money from Justin Trudeau.
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That's how they work. That's how they get paid. Um, but you went on the convoy all the way to
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Ottawa, you and Mocha followed the convoy. You were on the ground there. You were reporting from
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inside of the convoy. Some of my favorite footage from the convoy is yours. Um, Alexis is sort of some
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of the most shocking, but yours was the most fun. You were dancing in the streets with the convoyers.
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I guess it's sort of hard not to get caught up in it, but you belong in that room. And secondarily
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about your comments about, you know, Justin Trudeau labeling people, misogynists, and then the
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mainstream media following along, I would suggest the people snickering and laughing as a Métis
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grandmother testifies to the, just the sheer emotional and quite frankly, physical toll is
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spending 49 days in jail for being a part of the convoy. Those people are the misogynist racists,
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aren't they? Yeah. I mean, um, I think it's pretty apparent there's, uh, it's like, there's,
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there's like this weird air of confusion in the room where, you know, I'm sitting there and I believe
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that we're all listening to the same testimonies that we're all listening to the same truth,
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the granted truth that is reality. And yet the differences and the reactions are just, it's,
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it's honestly appalling. Like there's two tables that, you know, we haven't claimed by any actual
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means of labeling it as our tables, but everybody sits primarily in the same place in the room.
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And you can see, like we remain silent. Like there's not much that we talk about perhaps
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except for the instance that it is Miller time, of course, because that's the time that we all look
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forward to, but sitting there and listening to these testimonies, you think, okay, yeah, we're all here.
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We're listening to the same thing. Everything's occurring at the same time, but all of a sudden
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the room will erupt in laughter because they'll start making fun of the people that like you
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premise was Tamara giving her testimony, this, this grandma that has stood up and become the face of
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this movement, so to speak, and not self-proclaimed, but just as people have seen her to be.
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And it's really gross. For instance, when we had that commission, senior commission council lawyer
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that passed out the other day, we don't know the details of why, but I was in the room and I
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actually watched it happen. We had a, it was someone from mainstream media that ran into the room
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and it is a absolute no, no at all times. You do not pull your cell phone out and start
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trying to snap pictures at any time in the actual commission room. He was there with his phone up
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trying to get a shot. And immediately the, the security in the room was like, why, like, what
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are you doing? Why are you taking photos? Oh, I'm not, not taking photos of the body, nothing.
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So when we went back into the room, I piped up in front of everyone and I said, Hey, just,
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just, just so that we're clear, you're not going to post any of those photos. Right.
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And, you know, he looks a little bit embarrassed and he was like, Oh no, like, you know, I would
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never do that. And I said, well, then why were you trying to take photos? And he just laughed behind
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his mask. And, um, that was pretty much the, the, the end of our interaction, but it just goes to show
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you that they're like, I didn't even tweet about it, Sheila, because it's, it's so personal. I didn't
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know what happened. I didn't know why he fell. And it was my gosh, it was pretty emotional to see
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everyone in the room, just, you know, hone in. It wasn't something that anyone expected to see.
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And his first instinct was to try and take a photo of it. It's so different from the journalism that
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we provide to people. Um, it's really shocking that they've been labeled as media and that's
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what people have been led to believe is real media for all these years. You know, it's interesting
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you bring that up because when that happened, I thought, okay, well, I better quickly remind
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everybody that here at rebel news, we care deeply about medical privacy. And so let's just
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tweet what happened. Like, yes, a lawyer passed out. We don't know why, frankly, it's none of our
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business and we're going to leave it alone. I sort of reminded everybody of that, but I didn't need to
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because you guys were all on the same page. Unlike the ghoulish people over at the mainstream media who
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would trip over their grandma to take a picture of somebody having a medical crisis because they don't
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care about privacy. They don't respect privacy. And that's really been the story of the last two
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years is some people care about other people having medical privacy and some people are liberals.
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Like, yeah, it should just be a game. It's like, you know, pin the liberal in the room when he's
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going to be the person that is literally taking the steps to probably undermine your rights and freedoms
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or make fun of you or not take what you say seriously or make a joke out of your ability to
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actually critically think about what's happening around you because he's so deeply involved in the
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narrative that he can't tell reality from the one that's been given to him. That's what I think. I
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think that the government has proposed a reality and people have unknowingly consented to that reality
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versus actual grounded truth. I mean, there's a lot of stipulation about masks that's going around in
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Ontario right now. Unlike Alberta, like it's very new to me to have actually so many people in masks,
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like still people just wearing masks by themselves or in rooms, etc. But here there's a lot of talk
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about it. And I've seen a lot of stuff on the internet and on how many boxes of these masks does
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it say, you know, it will not prevent any respiratory illnesses or diseases. Some of them say will not
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protect against the spread of COVID-19, etc. And all these people are like, yeah, but masks, they're
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fantastic. And I just think like, again, it's like being in that room and, and, and, and like trying to
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understand, like, we're all in this reality, watching and listening the same thing. If I'm also capable of
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reading this box, I'm sure other people are as well. So what is the cognitive dissonance between some
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people that will literally go to the lengths of like screaming in your face, labeling you as a domestic
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terrorist and misogynist and all these other horrible things to actually defend a narrative
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that openly projects how false it is? Yeah, there's you're dealing with people who believe
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that there's such thing as my truth and your truth instead of just objective reality, right?
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And so that the reality around them can bend specifically to their own feelings. And that I
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think has really been the story of the other side of the convoy. Um, you know, like you see people
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just like speaking of the horrors of the idling trucks and, but also simultaneously laughing as
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Tamera Leach testifies about being arrested, turning herself in knowing that she could stay in jail for
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49 days. That's, that's a joke to them, but honking my Lord, the phantom honking. Yeah. It's,
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it's insane. Um, but you know, like as we're recording this, we're recording this on Tuesday
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on a break from the commission and all day today so far, it's been RCMP commissioner Brenda Luckey
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who's been testifying and we've seen how the RCMP apparently were cut out of the intelligence
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reports that were headed to the PCO. So the Privy Council office. And I think I've been watching,
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maybe tell me if I'm reading the room wrong, but I think they did that because the RCMP were not
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going to say what the federal government needed them to say to invoke the emergencies act. So they
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just cut the RCMP out of it because Brenda Luckey to her credit. And I hate saying that has said
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repeatedly, there were other tools left before you had to hit the nuclear button of the emergencies act.
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Yeah. I, me and Will, William, we joke about it all the time that there's just this hot potato
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that gets thrown around the room and, and it's just a process of elimination here. You absolutely
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heard that correctly. Um, and it's come out and, and how many texts as well, though, that she is,
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there's definitely been some sort of, not some sort, I would go on a limb here and just say an,
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an absolute breach in the, in the, there's a line that's been crossed between the federal government
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stepping into, uh, police jurisdiction. And it's becoming more and more apparent because we're seeing
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texts from the different cabinet ministers that have, you know, made suggestions to, um,
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to Brenda Luckey. And she said in her testimony that, oh yeah, well, even if they're giving
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suggestions, you know, it's not the same thing as a, in any way, shape or form influencing,
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um, because they're just suggestions at the end of the day when, I mean, I honestly think that
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there's something big that's going to happen today. Like there's definitely, there's this undertone
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of intensity in the room and, uh, Brendan Miller, uh, counsel for the lawyer counsel for the, for the
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convoy, he stood up and he made sure that, um, the lawyer that's currently conducting, um, her opening
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statements and making sure the story is straight, et cetera, um, had full time, had full time to go
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entirely through, um, his line of questions and go through all the evidence that he needed to go
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through because after, uh, then it's a Tom Curry and then Brendan Miller is going to go. I seriously
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think something so substantial is going to happen today. Like everyone's just kind of like buzzing
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definitely because there's so many coverups with this. Like I don't feel bad. I don't,
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I think people, you know, you, you, this is the bed that you've made. So now you must lay in it.
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So to speak, I think that should be the premise that everyone walks with keeping in mind repercussions
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for the future, et cetera. But what's going to happen this afternoon, I think is going to totally
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shatter any illusion. Um, and by the way, have you also noticed that she just, she either has the
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the worst memory on this planet or she just, I don't know, it's selective memory or something,
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Sheila, but, uh, what is the drinking water in someone that has a basic information shouldn't
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be in the position that she's in. Yeah. What's in the drinking water in Ottawa, where all the senior
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officials suddenly under scrutiny can't remember a damn thing, but we did see Justin Trudeau in a
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phone call readout with Doug Ford, lamenting the fact that they could not pressure the police. Doug
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Ford, again, pains me to say it, but to his credit said, I can't, I can't pressure the OPP to do what
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you want them to do. And Trudeau sort of seemed taken aback by that because he does have a history
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of pressuring law enforcement officials to do what he wants. He did it with his, uh, AG, Jody Wilson-Raybould.
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She, uh, she said, no thanks. She would rather, uh, set aside her promising career as a liberal
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cabinet minister to do the right thing. She and I probably disagree on 99% of everything, but
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ethical, ethical woman and Brenda lucky herself. We've seen that, uh, she was pressured to release
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the models of illegal firearms used in the largest mass shooting in Canadian history for the explicit
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purpose of pushing ahead Justin Trudeau's gun control agenda. So she has been subject to political
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pressure from Justin Trudeau. Justin Trudeau has been putting political pressure on law enforcement
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officials all over the place. I'm supposed to believe now that he didn't try it. I think maybe
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he did. And when the fish weren't biting, he just went around them and that's how he ended up with the
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emergency. Yeah, absolutely. And, and it shows too, that there was a, there was an email between
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commissioner Karik and Brenda lucky, uh, where she explicitly said that she did not, um, give any
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prior notice to the, to, uh, prime minister Trudeau on the plan that the RCMP, the OPP and the OPS had
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come up with in order to open a dialogue or some sort of vein for the protesters and the government to
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have conversation about negotiations. And that following day was when the emergencies act was
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invoked. So again, we see the same thing. It's crazy. It sounds like plausible deniability. At
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first I thought, okay, well, the RCMP are being cut out of this because they're not going to do what
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Justin Trudeau wants them to do. So basically they're law enforcement shopping. They're going to
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the national security officials and getting their advice instead of going to the RCMP because the RCMP
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aren't going to do what we asked them to do. But I think now there could, oh, I sound like such a
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conspiracy theorist. I think lucky didn't tell the feds about the plan so that the feds could say,
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we didn't know about the plan. We didn't think there was a plan. So we just went with the EA.
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Exactly. Well, really, I mean, I I'm pretty sure that that's what everyone in the room is thinking
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about. So there's no qualms about being labeled as a conspiracy theorist here. It's very apparent.
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It's very apparent that there has been a huge overstepping from the federal government. And it's not
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just specific to Brenda Luckey's testimony. We even saw this from both deputy ministers to the actual
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ministers of transportation. In their testimonies yesterday, that was Rob Stewart and Dominic
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Rashaun, I believe I can't pronounce his last name. But they both said that, you know, they did everything
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to actually negotiate with their own ministers about doing anything except invoking the emergencies
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act. So it's it's right there point blank. It's blatant at this point. And we've we've really narrowed
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it down. Like it's been a long four weeks. I feel like I've been in Ottawa for six months.
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So I'm very eager to get down to the bottom of this because there's really all fingers are pointing
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to the the liberal cabinet cabinet ministers and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Yeah, it's really
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that it's really that and it's they're overstepping. And yeah, these people said,
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yes, I will do what you're telling me to do. But imagine also, you know, being in their positions,
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you want to keep your job, you want to keep your livelihood. At that time, we were living in this
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crazy era where you didn't see people's faces, you weren't allowed to go spend time with your friends,
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your family. Fast forward, and it's almost been a year we take for granted, I think a little bit
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about where we are here right now. I've certainly allowed myself to let go of some of those pressures.
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But being here and seeing so many people in masks still it kind of it's reminiscent in the worst way
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possible. I tell you, you know, there are two candidates. You and I live in one and those people
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live in another. And it's interesting because all the people with all of the relevant intelligence
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were saying one thing. And then Justin Trudeau's national security advisors were saying another
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thing. So OPP, RCMP, CSIS, especially so like the spy agency were who had people embedded in the
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convoy said there's no there's no terrorist threat here. But Justin Trudeau's national security
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advisor all of a sudden started thinking there was and that and then that's when the EA got invoked.
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But we've heard all along it was for tow trucks. And then now we're hearing it's for some other
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reason because the province of Alberta said, no, you could just go actually buy your own tow trucks
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on Kijiji if you really needed tow trucks. So then they have to pivot and come up with something
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different. And by the way, Justin Trudeau's national security advisor, that Jody lady, she's the one who
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said maybe we should talk about grabbing the kids from the convoy. She's the one behind that. So
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she's handpicked for the job for exactly those sorts of character flaws, I would say.
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Selina, I promised I would cut it short because you have to eat and then run down the block to get
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back into the commission because we know big things are going to happen today. I want to ask you,
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what's been the one thing that sort of one fact that came out at the commission that sort of caught
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you flat footed or shocked you or one of the things that you knew, but you were like, I never imagined I
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would hear them say it. What's the one thing that was like the big light bulb for Selene?
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One thing that no one has admitted that the emergency act was anything but unnecessary.
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I thought for sure that there would be people hard, like testifying hard to defend that fact.
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They've defended every other thing possibly imaginable, even to the point where they declare
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bouncy castles as being dangerous and absurd and crazy. And like, I believe it was a former chief of
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police, um, Ottawa police, uh, Peter slowly that said that the atmosphere in Ottawa within the first
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week was akin to, um, a tinderbox waiting to explode. My goodness, I was there then. So I can
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tell you that it wasn't. So regardless of statements like that, and no matter how many times they can
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agree, Oh, it was, or wasn't a threat to national security. No one has said, yeah, it was necessary to
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invoke the emergencies act. No one has said it because that's a pretty condemning thing when you're in a
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room full of people that don't believe it either. Yeah. There's a lot of, there's a lot of people
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saying it was helpful. It made our jobs easier, but nobody has said we actually needed it. Um, you
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know, one of those things that the, um, national security advisor to Justin Trudeau said was, um,
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that, uh, basically it was a potential for violence on the ground. Yeah. With the heavy hand of police
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enforcement that came down on the convoy in the days after the invocation of the emergencies act,
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there was never even a window broken. There was no riot. You would think with hundreds, sometimes
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thousands of people in the street, if these people were going to be violent in the face of state
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violence, they would have been, but they weren't because they were there for peace. And I think
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that's the true test of this is that CSIS got it right. OPP got it right. RCMP got it right. Who knows
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what's going on with the OPS. I don't know if those guys can, you know, uh, I'm not sure what
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what they're up to there, but all, all the other agencies got it right that there was no violence
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and no potential for violence. Um, because in the end there was no violence except at the hands of
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the state. Yeah. A hundred percent agreed. Um, I can't wait for the end of this. I can't wait to see
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what happens really. There's no way that those, those liberal cabinet members, uh, ministers,
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pardon me, will, uh, will be able to come up with any excuses. Oh, they're like, there's no way
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they'll try, but Oh my gosh, unless someone grasps for like, uh, you know, I have a actual mental
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issues, you know, don't lock me up for committing such a great crime against Canadians in this country.
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I'm not sure what short of that they could have as a plausible excuse for acting like what I think.
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Uh, I think that they were a bunch of monsters. I do those things. I do too. Scaring parents,
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locking up Tamera Leach, locking up people for mischief, um, spreading lies, spreading division,
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spreading hate. Selene, I should let you go. You've got to go. Thank you so much for all your hard work
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that you're doing there. I know that you've taken weeks away from your family in your normal life
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to work literally dawn till dusk later than dusk, frankly, because you're on the live stream,
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um, yeah, to cover the trucker commission. Um, but it's just such valuable work. And, uh, I know our
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viewers really appreciate it. They come to us because they know that they are really going to get
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the other side of the story instead of, uh, what the bought and paid for corporate media
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snickering and laughing and mocking, uh, what they provide. Absolutely. Every minute is worth it.
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Even if it's Ottawa. So happy to provide that. Even if it's Ottawa. Thanks. Have a great day.
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Well, we've come to the portion of the show where I welcome your viewer feedback. You see on like the
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mainstream media who are just so happy to snatch your money from your pocket and never hear from
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you again. We actually do care about what you think about the work that we're doing here at
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Rebel News. It's one of the reasons that I give out my email address at the end of every show at
00:26:24.360
Sheila at rebel news.com put gun show letters in the subject line G U N N. That way it's easy for
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me to find because I do get, I'll be quite honest with you hundreds of emails every single day. Yes.
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Every single day, but also don't hesitate to leave a comment on rumble or even on the censorship
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platform of YouTube, because sometimes I go looking over there. Now this week's letter comes to us
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from Alina Novak and she actually doesn't have a question or comment about the show, but she's got
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a question for me as an expert on all things Albertan. And it's one of the things I love to
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talk about. I love Alberta and I love telling you how great it is. She says, hi, Sheila. I'm in Ontario.
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Bless your heart. My husband and I are thinking of moving to Alberta. Well, you know what? Lots of
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people have moved to Alberta this last little bit, including people who work for rebel news. A lot
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of our Calgary team are refugees from Doug Ford's Ontario. Alina says, since you were born there,
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which area would you recommend we move to? I'm thinking of some rural community, small town where
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I can have my own garden, but not far from a city to come to once a week for groceries, et cetera. I love
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nature and hiking and backpacking and canoeing. I'm looking forward to your response. Thank you,
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Alina. You know, Alina, I feel like you just described exactly where I live. Now, I don't
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like to tell people exactly where I live, so I'm not going to do that, but you're going to get
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a range. I live northeast of Edmonton and it's close enough that if I have to go to Edmonton,
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I can go to Edmonton and it doesn't take a whole day. But I'm also relatively close to some of the
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suburban communities that have all the same services that they have in the big city of
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Edmonton. So I don't actually have to go to Edmonton unless it's for work. In fact, my kid
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goes to school in one of the suburban communities. It's that close and convenient, but I also live
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next door to Elk Island Park, which is a large national park where you can hike and backpack and
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run and canoe and geocache and enjoy nature as God intended it. So, I mean, not only am I a proponent
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of Alberta, but I love exactly where I live here on the family farm. But I think you would do well to
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just move anywhere in Alberta where you can find a bargain on a house, where the community seems like
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a good fit. You know, our friend Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, she recently relocated
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her family from British Columbia to southern Alberta and she seems to really be loving it.
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It doesn't matter what our government tries to do, the people are more free. Your neighbours care about
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freedom and we care about not discriminating against our friends and neighbours for their medical choices.
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As my friend Kian Simone, our chief documentary filmmaker describes Alberta, he describes us as
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ungovernable in that we are linked to our communities, linked to our families, but you're not
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going to tell us what to do. So, if that's you, welcome to your new home, Alina. Well, everybody,
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that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same
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time in the same place next weekend. Remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much