SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ What really happened at the Trucker Commission？
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Justin Trudeau is skating on the single largest civil liberties violation of Canadians in, I think, our lifetimes. Is anybody surprised? I'm definitely not. In a completely unsurprising turn of events, Friday morning, Justice Paul Rouleau ruled that the invocation of the Emergencies Act was completely justified in dealing with the completely peaceful Freedom Convoy to Ottawa last February, 2022.
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Justin Trudeau is skating on the single largest civil liberties violation of Canadians in, I think,
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our lifetimes. Is anybody surprised? I'm definitely not. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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In a completely unsurprising turn of events, Friday morning, Justice Paul Rouleau ruled that
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the invocation of the Emergencies Act was completely justified in dealing with the
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completely peaceful Freedom Convoy to Ottawa last February, so February 2022. For those of you who
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don't know, and I don't know how you couldn't, the Freedom Convoy was a movement spawned by
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a cross-border vaccine mandate for truckers, but it was joined by thousands of Canadians
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who saw this as the catalyst for change. They came by the thousands from all across the country
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to the nation's public square, Ottawa, to protest for an end to COVID restrictions. There were also
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satellite protests at border locations across the country, Coutts, Alberta, Windsor, Ontario,
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Emerson, Manitoba, and in British Columbia. Now, the protests, all of the protests were peaceful
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unless you counted the violence against the demonstrators. They had eggs thrown at them.
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They were beaten by police. They were pepper sprayed. They were unlawfully detained, kidnapped,
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really, snatched and grabbed and dropped off out of town by police.
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Um, and they had their bank accounts frozen by the prime minister who invoked martial law suspending
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their civil liberties to dissipate what I think was the most effective opposition that Justin Trudeau
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had ever faced since taking office in 2015. He embarrassed them. And the use of that law,
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the Emergencies Act, martial law, was officially examined by the Public Order Emergency Commission,
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what we call the Trucker Commission here at Rebel News. And it was a fact-finding mission,
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a transparency mission, where they would lay bare the decision-making process and decide,
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did the bouncy castles, the boisterous street parties, the street cleanups, the feeding the homeless,
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and the sometimes errant horn honking in the nation's capital, did the inconvenience of having
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a weeks-long protest in the nation's capital amount to a national security issue akin to
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a Pearl Harbor or a 9-11 level attack? And as it turns out, embarrassing Justin Trudeau is,
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according to Justice Paul Rouleau, as bad as 9-11. That's the decision he made. It's outlandish,
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it's wrong, but that's the decision he made. There was a point at which I knew the fix was in.
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I'll explain that later on in the interview with my guest tonight. My guest tonight is actually
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someone who sat there for six weeks and documented the Public Order Emergency Commission. And from
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that documentation came his new documentary. It's called Trudeau on Trial. And my guest tonight is my
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chief documentarian here at Rebel News and my good friend, Kian Simone. Take a listen to the
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interview we recorded yesterday afternoon. We're talking about why he made the new documentary
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and why he thinks that Justice Paul Rouleau ruled the way he did. Check it out.
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Joining me now is our chief documentary filmmaker based in Calgary, but unfortunately from Toronto,
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Kian Simone, Kian, thanks for joining me. I want to have you on to, well, whenever you do something
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new, I want to have you on. But I want to talk to you specifically about your new documentary,
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Trudeau on Trial, which has had two sold out showings, one in Edmonton, one in Calgary.
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This documents really the Public Order Emergency Commission. And you spent six weeks in Ottawa,
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away from your family doing this. I guess, first of all, why did you think it was so important for you
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to be there? Because you didn't necessarily have to be there there. You could have watched it from
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afar. But why was it so important to be, you know, within walking distance of that commission room?
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You know, my heart was broken when I didn't get the call to go to Ottawa. And I, there's something
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in my heart. I knew I was the right guy to do something with this. I, you know, I was really sad
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one night and I knew I needed to do something. And that was the same night that I got the call
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from Ezra saying, hey, I think there's something going on in Coots. And I'll always remember what
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Ezra said is that if a tree falls in the forest, is anybody there to hear it? If truckers go block
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the border in Coots, Alberta, without Kian Simone and Sidney Fazzard, would anybody even know what
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happened? And I knew from there that, you know, just being somebody who can bear the weight of the
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pressure of that, I knew that I needed to follow the story to the very end. And the commission was
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that it was the closure that Canadians needed, that reporters needed to the end of the story. So
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I wasn't going to sit home, um, watching the commission online when, when I knew that
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someone needed to be there that could bear the weight of, um, like you said, being away from my
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family for six weeks. And at least I wasn't sleeping in a car this time. Yeah. Yeah. When you, and you
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know, it's, as I say it, I mean, when you think about what Tamara Leach continues to go through and some
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of the other people who are involved in the convoy who still are in extreme legal jeopardy still,
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it's not too much to ask for us to go there to make sure that the fulsome story is told,
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because I think there is no other side of the story here. There's the mainstream media's version
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of this and the truth. Yeah, that's, that's exactly right. You kind of made me feel bad there for
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tuning my own. Me too. I've been in a car and now I'm remembering Tamara spent 48 days in jail.
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Um, yeah. And you know, as I was said in our documentary screening, we're, we're filming
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this on Tuesday morning and we had a documentary screening in Sherwood Park, Alberta on Monday
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night. And I spent not as definitely not as much time as you in Ottawa, but I did watch from afar and
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I was there for a little bit. And when I was there, I noticed that the journalists never left
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the media room. They stayed in their cloistered little hovel of a media room where all they did
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was talk to each other about the things that were happening in the commission room, but never actually
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went and sat in the commission room. And the commission room was where the news was happening.
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It was where the witnesses were, where you could see the anguish on the face of the witnesses.
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Like some of it was palpable. Um, you know, when you had, uh, people who were talking about being
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snatched and grabbed and basically kidnapped by the police and taken out of town, you could,
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you could hear their pain. You could, you could almost reach out and touch the reasons why these
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people came to Ottawa and yet the media never crossed the hall, but you guys were there. You guys were
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sitting in that place the whole time. You know, Sheila, you, uh, I've heard you say that a few
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times now at the shows and whenever we do interviews about this or when we talk in, uh, on our own. Um,
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I actually spent most of my time in that room with the media. I just want to put that out there because
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that's where I had to work. I couldn't work in the commission room, but I did hop over when,
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um, the, the more notable characters in the story, um, were there, but you're right. And they, they,
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they chose to be in that media room and every morning they would walk in and it would be CBC
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first and CTV the next day. They'd bring in Timbits for each other and they'd walk around the room and
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give each other Timbits. And only once did global news ask me if I wanted to Timbit. And I will
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remember that. Um, but that's what, that's what it was. They're, they're, they're all friends and
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they all just, they, they, they leave all the independent reporters out of it. Like Western Standard
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never got a Timbit either. Um, and I just kind of use that as an analogy of, of what the, you know,
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people share stories and people share like ideas and bounce stuff off each other. And that's all
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that they were doing in there. Um, and that's just from like a strict reporter angle of it,
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not necessarily the, the feelings kind, because when Tamara Leach was, um, uh, testifying, none of
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them got up and went in to go see what, what they were, what she was, what she had to say. But when
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when that, um, when that, when the man, um, collapsed on, on, on the podium, um, I've never
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seen Glenn McGregor run so fast. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, this isn't like news. I was like,
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this is like a crisis, you know, like ambulance chasing. Yeah. I was like, let's make sure this
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guy is okay before we run in and block the door so that people can't get in and out, which is what
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all they were, they were doing. And that just kind of shows the mentality of what they were there for is
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that they, they weren't there to hear people's stories and they were there to, um, get their
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own closure, which I'm sure we'll get into that. They got. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get into that. So
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as I said, we're recording this on Tuesday on Friday morning, we heard that Justin Trudeau,
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according to justice, Paul Rouleau was completely justified in invoking a wartime law as lawyer,
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Brendan Miller puts it martial law in this country to deal with bounty castles, hot tubs,
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street parties, feeding the homeless and some errand honking now and then.
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And I think you're right when you say that that's exactly what the mainstream media wanted,
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And they're not really even talking about the point that, um, justice Rouleau said it was, uh,
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justified because of all of the miscommunication and the, the, uh, the government incompetence of
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being able to deal with the situation. Like if you kind of, if I, when I take a step out of it and I
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think like, okay, you have the most incompetent government Canada has ever had. Um, and they have
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no idea what's going on. They're obviously scared, not about national security, but just about their image.
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And they have no idea what to do. The cops are trying to work with the protesters, but the Ottawa
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police won't. And there's a whole miscommunication there. And it's like, okay, what the hell can we
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do? We can evoke the emergencies act and kind of just put a stop to this right now. And that's
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essentially what happened. Um, taking a step back at looking, getting out of the politics of it.
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And, and that's what Rouleau said, you know what, what else were you going to do? Um, and it was weird
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that justice Rouleau never really, uh, looked at the fact that, you know, maybe he should have,
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maybe they should have talked to the protesters. Maybe there was a little bit of resolution that
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could have happened there. So they're both in the same mindset of, okay, what, what can we do
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right now to end this? Because it's obviously going on too, too long. And, uh, and that's just the kind
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of, uh, what I got out of it is that, um, they were looking at it from that point of view, rather
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than the actual way of how they could have fixed something.
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Yeah. It, it seems as though that the peaceful protesters in Ottawa who did their best to try
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to do everything right, were forced to pay for the consequences of the government's incompetence.
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And it seems to me as though justice Rouleau ignored the fact that the blockades at Windsor
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had already been resolved. The blockades in Alberta had already been resolved. And there was an,
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a deal actively struck between the protesters and the city of Ottawa to move trucks. And it was
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already happening in good faith. And what stopped the movement of, of the trucks out of the downtown
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core was the invocation of the emergencies act because it caused the redeployment of police resources.
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So, you know, when they say, you know, we had, we had to deal with this because we didn't have
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resources. No, you just needed time. Time would have resolved all of this.
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Yeah. And that's, uh, I put that in the documentary, um, of, of how that was really
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just like the catalyst of, uh, the insane things that were about to come. It was the
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catalyst of miscommunication. It was, um, where OPP was, um, talking about how the Ottawa
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police, it was chief slowly and interim chief bell. Um, I forgot his position at the time
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while they made the announcement of how, um, they were basically talking about how they were
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going to crack down on the protesters. And the OPP, uh, was testifying at the emergency
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act saying like, I don't know what the hell they were talking about. One, uh, why would
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we do that? Two, um, we couldn't do that. And three, um, we didn't want to do that.
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And it was just, it was just that plan breaking apart because of the, uh, federal government
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and the Ottawa police, not the Ontario provincial police, um, really was that the catalyst of what,
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what came down to, uh, what we saw, uh, the events of the horses and the, we all, we all
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know what happened. Yeah. You know, to their credit, the OPP were very level headed. I forget
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the, um, one member of the OPP, but he said he had real concerns that the Ottawa police wanted
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his people to participate in things that he was not sure were legal. And he didn't want
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any involvement in it. He didn't want to hurt the protesters. He wanted a resolution and he thought
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maybe there was a police resolution or maybe there was a negotiated resolution, but he was not going
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to allow OPP members to participate in things that he thought would violate the civil liberties of
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Canadians, like the aforementioned snatch and grabs. You know, it's a, it's a pretty hot take and I
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might get some dirt for this, but I, I really don't think the OPP did anything wrong. Um, from the
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very beginning, I thought they were calm and cool. Their intelligence apparatus was, uh, it was very
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on, on the point. It said exactly. It was, it was a profit of what was to come. They said on January
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14th, that this protest is going to come there and it's going to stay there. And nobody read that
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report. And January 28th, it said, okay, you know, these are really cool people. We had a few, um, not
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cool people. These are really level headed people. We had a few mishaps on the highways here,
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there. Um, but really it was bystanders standing on the highway when they shouldn't be like,
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that's not a national security threat. Um, their intelligence apparatus throughout the entire
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thing with their Hendon reports, which was, uh, basically, um, just a report that was given to
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all police agencies around of, of, uh, collecting all the information from online. And it's a, it's a
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very important report. I think too, um, Brendan Miller, um, brought it up in the documentary as well
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about how, um, you know, when people say crazy things online, like you do have to kind
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of take that into effect and, and kind of put it together and assess the threat, which
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is the police's job. Um, and I think that they did that perfectly. And, um, from what
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we know of the Hendon reports, they never blew it out of the water. They never put anything
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in there that was, uh, like obviously a lie and kind of made it seem like, or obviously
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somebody extreme, some, some grandma online, uh, they never made that like blew that up
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to be, uh, what the, what the protests represented. So I really do hand it to the OPP. And like
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you said, during the commission, they were really cool, level-headed, um, none of them,
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uh, attested to or, or testified to a threat. Um, and they, they were there basically to just
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call out the federal government and they're in their own ways without, uh, making it political.
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Oh, likewise, calling out the, uh, Ottawa police for the, for the absolute chaos, uh, taking
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place on the ground. Now, uh, let's get into the documentary. Tell us the Coles notes version
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of what the documentary is about. It's about the public order commission, but you've broken
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it down into some pretty digestible chunks by chapter.
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Yeah. So to first off answer the question, um, my job as a filmmaker is to ask a question.
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Um, and every good documentary is, is about asking a question. There's something called
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the complex of a documentary. There's a science to it. And just a quick rant. Um, if you go
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watch the documentary Finding Neverland about Michael Jackson, um, molesting children, you
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will believe that Michael Jackson molested children. But if you go watch the other documentary
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about how Michael Jackson didn't, um, molest children, you will be sick at the first documentary
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and you will now believe that he did not molest children. Uh, whether whichever is true, I,
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I, I didn't, I don't care. Um, it's about what the documentary is, is basically presenting
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and how good it's presenting it. Um, so as a filmmaker, when I was there, when I would hear
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the lawyers, uh, Keith Wilson, Eva Chipiuk and Brendan Miller talk about what their plan
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was, it was, they had a checklist of, uh, things that they wanted to basically check
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off of each, uh, witness. And the first one and the most prominent one was, did the Emergencies
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Act meet the threshold of CSIS 2, uh, CSIS Act, Section 2 of the CSIS Act? Messed that
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one up. Um, and that basically is to say that there is a threat to national security. Therefore,
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there is an emergency. Therefore, we need every tool in the toolbox, um, to deal with it. And the
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documentary basically goes through each aspect of the convoy, um, to assess if there is a national
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security threat within that. But on top of that, it also breaks down the Emergencies Act and how it
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was used in every aspect of when it was evoked. Uh, so let's go to the first week of the commission,
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which was, um, when we heard from Ottawa politicians, like local politicians, um, the
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bureaucrats, like the city manager, chief of staff, and, uh, Ottawa residents, where, um, we heard the
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famous reports of, uh, I don't even remember what they call it, phantom honking and phantom smells,
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um, microaggressions, microaggressions. So what they did is they went there and they talked about their
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feelings and they talked about how, you know, I would be very mad if a protest came into my neighbor
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hood and did that for three weeks. Like rightly so you have every right to be pissed off. Um,
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but that's not what the hearing is about. I don't know why they were there, uh, to talk about how
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they still hear horns where they're trying to sleep, because that's not national security threat.
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Um, that does not equate the truckers to terrorists. And so the, the, the, the first chapter is basically
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breaking down the fact that, uh, this is kind of where we got the taste of it being kind of a show
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trial. Um, nobody actually believed it was a show trial at that point. Um, I don't want to speak
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for everybody, but I, I think it, in the vibe there was kind of like, okay, we, uh, we as the
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collective, we as this kind of, uh, right way of thinking, uh, we know that we won now because,
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uh, there's nobody here in the, in the presence of who lives in Ottawa can actually say that there
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were terrorists there. Um, and then moving into the second week is when we heard from the
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intelligence apparatus apparatus, apparatus, I'm not going to, apparatus, um, with all the police
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forces and as well, the commissioners of every police force where, um, I guess the goal of Freedom
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Corp, which is the, uh, the conglomerate of the lawyers for the truckers were there to basically
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ask every single person in law enforcement, was there a threat to one national security? And was
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there even a threat of violence? And that, like a threat of violence, it's, I mean, obviously,
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you know, violence is terrible, but it's not a huge deal. Like it's not a, it's not a huge thing
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as, as on scale towards what national security threat is. Yeah. And we have laws to deal with
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violence against others, like assault, uttering threats that's out there. Battery, you don't need
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extra tools to deal with those. And there weren't a lot of charges related to those things issued
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during the course of the convoy to begin with. Yeah. You know, the, the worst you're going to
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get is, uh, two protesters at night, you just had a few Bud lights and, you know, punch one punches
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the other one in the face. Like that's not a national security threat. I don't even think that
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happened. No. And, um, so that the documentary follows that kind of style throughout the weeks
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and the, um, you know, my favorite week would be a week five when we kind of learned about the bank
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account seizing. And we heard from Brenda Luckey. Uh, we, I kind of teased in, uh, Krista Freeland
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because she kind of fits into that week. Um, but we also heard from global affairs who I didn't
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even know existed until the, uh, commission where we heard that they just, they tried to justify the
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emergencies act because our flag was being misrepresented and because it was being flown all around the
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world as an act of rebellion, or it was, uh, they put it as it was an act of, uh, lawlessness.
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Uh, if the Canadian flag was kind of equated to lawlessness. Um, and I, I remember, I just want
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to tell a quick story about that. I remember the first, the first, uh, screening I was sitting
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beside, uh, uncle hack from the danger cats and we were watching that, that scene of the, when, uh,
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Cindy, uh, don't remember her last name, global affairs said that, um, the Canadian flag now means
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an act of rebellion against, uh, vaccine mandates. And he screamed out, he's like, you're goddamn
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right. It does. And everybody cheered. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was something else to see our flags
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flown in Holland as the farmers revolted. There was for the first time, instead of us being looked
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at as just nice lapdogs, we were the sign of resistance in the name of human rights out there.
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And, you know, you, you often see American flags at protests, right? The Cubans flew it when they
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were revolting against their government. You, you know, we saw it in Hong Kong. We saw the American
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flags, um, as they fought as the CCP were taking the Island back. And it was a, for me, a point of pride
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to see our flag flown at other human rights demonstrations. And it's funny that the federal
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government saw it as offensive, um, because I guess they were the human rights violators in this
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case. But, uh, the idea that because there's a brand damage related to the flag, that that would
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constitute a national emergency. No, they heard the brand. They heard the flag. They got after the
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emergencies act, you know, I didn't even want to look at the flag. Like I was heartbroken about my
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own country. I remember, um, before I went to Coots, um, I was driving around in Calgary and there
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was people flying Canadian flags, like outside of a protest. It was like a Tuesday afternoon.
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People are going grocery shopping and they got their hockey stick with the Canadian flag. And
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it like, it brings tears to your eyes when, um, you know, I would have never talked to that person
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before. And then now that when they get out of their car and I'm walking into co-op with them,
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I'd say, Hey, how's it going, man? Like it, it brought people together. And when the,
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after the emergencies act, it just kind of did something different. They, they heard it for us.
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They heard the reputation within domestically of what the flag means.
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So Kean, what happens next? What does this mean? Are we divided? Do, does,
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are we able to put this all behind us? Um, or are they like me? I knew the fix was in when I,
00:24:14.060
when Rouleau wouldn't make rulings on documents that were being, I, to use my words and not the
00:24:20.860
lawyers illegally, um, redacted and given to the lawyers as the witness related to the documents
00:24:28.480
was testifying. So there was no time for them to prove to prepare when Rouleau refused to rule on
00:24:35.160
that sort of stuff until it was too late. I knew the fix was in. So I guess what happens next? Do we
00:24:41.780
just continue on with our corrupt government? I guess we have to, but I guess what does this mean
00:24:48.420
for the people? Hypothetically, what I want to happen next, and I'll start off on a good,
00:24:54.560
hopeful basis here. I'm not mad that justice Rouleau said it was justified. Um, and I'm not
00:25:02.500
going to be the black pill here and be like, well, I knew it was going to happen. It was, I'm not
00:25:07.020
surprised. I'm just, I'm not mad at it because I just know how the Laurentian elites think. And like
00:25:12.820
I said before, it was all because of mismanagement, miscommunication and incompetence. We know they
00:25:17.800
mismanage. We know they don't communicate. We know they're incompetent. And if that's your
00:25:21.900
justification for invoking the emergencies act, fine, like I, fine, like I'll just put my foot
00:25:27.120
down, whatever, but you can make it right still by unredacting the legal opinion that, uh, justice
00:25:36.020
Lamedi gave, uh, to Justin Trudeau. You can make it right by unredacting some of their notes of what
00:25:41.980
they were talking about. So at least there is still transparency after so that we know why they
00:25:47.920
had to do it. We like now we know that is because they're incompetent. Like let's see the notes about
00:25:53.400
how incompetent that they were. Let's see that. And I think that that would heal some people that
00:25:59.120
were heartbroken about this. Um, that's this ruling that even if it went unjustified, it wouldn't
00:26:04.560
have mattered anyway. I think that we could really heal if we just get some of those documents that
00:26:10.580
were, were, uh, unlawfully redacted. Yeah. Especially when this was presented to us,
00:26:16.280
the public order emergency commission was prevent presented to us as a fact finding effort in
00:26:22.160
transparency. And at the very least, give us all the documents that's as transparent as I think
00:26:29.880
we're ever going to get and let people decide for themselves. I mean, I think a lot of people have
00:26:36.720
already decided for themselves. Either they think honking is terrorism or they watch the commission
00:26:41.660
and they live in reality and know that it wasn't, but let's, you cannot look at those documents
00:26:49.120
and come to an ignorant or ill-informed decision. It's one thing to, you know, hear the tone and
00:26:57.020
intonation of the witnesses. Maybe they meant to say it that way. Maybe they should have said it that
00:27:00.360
way. But when you read the notes, it's something completely different.
00:27:04.540
A hundred percent. And to, uh, kind of finish off on the, um, the point there of, of what I want to
00:27:10.440
happen and what I think could actually fix some of the situation here and, uh, give more people
00:27:15.620
more closure on, uh, as to what happened. Um, the recommendations that Justice Rouleau gave
00:27:23.060
was to, as you, as you've said before, uh, make it easier to invoke. And I think that's like one of
00:27:30.040
the scariest things that I've ever heard. Um, because not only if let's say he didn't do that,
00:27:34.280
it's still setting a precedent for what, uh, we can evoke a form of martial law over. And now that
00:27:41.060
there's, uh, easier to invoke. So let's say we're removing, um, section two of the CCS Act as a
00:27:47.320
threshold, uh, which I guess didn't matter anyway. Um, but now it's, they don't have to go through the
00:27:53.460
whole, uh, three IPG meetings and say, okay, how do we get around this? Can, what's our plan when we,
00:27:58.660
uh, need to lie about this? They can just do it. Like they can just put, push the big red button
00:28:04.980
that says nuclear on it and just invoke, invoke it whenever they want. Um, and I, I'm not going to,
00:28:12.220
uh, say that they're going to do that over small protests. I don't, uh, Christine Anderson said that
00:28:18.740
I give them too much credit when I say this. Um, I don't think that they'll do it again for a very
00:28:23.300
long time. Cause I don't think that they would, uh, have that kind of bonfire of what that would
00:28:28.420
do. Um, but I, I do think that there, there are small repercussions that come out of, um, the
00:28:33.380
precedent that is set and that trickles into Calgary on itself. And I, I brought this up at the screening
00:28:38.380
of how, uh, it is now illegal to protest against drag queen story hour. Um, that's wrong and that's
00:28:45.260
just plain wrong. It's against everything that I know, um, every right that I thought I had. Um,
00:28:51.260
um, and I, so I think that just the mentality of how to deal with, uh, quote unquote, right-wing
00:28:58.120
protests, or you can just call them protests for civil liberties that, um, have nothing to do with,
00:29:02.600
um, systemic racism. So anything other than that, uh, that that's how they're, they can deal with it
00:29:09.780
now. And, and Justin Trudeau set that precedent. Um, so emergencies act or no emergencies act, it's,
00:29:14.600
it's the, it's the small, um, things that trickle down from that.
00:29:22.180
Yeah, for sure. And for me, even if none of those recommendations are adopted, and I think
00:29:27.480
they're going to be adopted whole cloth, including, um, to monitor, monitor social media for appropriate
00:29:33.760
use, the government's going to tell me I can't make jokes on the internet. Okay. Good luck. Take
00:29:39.980
me straight to jail. Um, but even if none of those are adopted, I think what happened last February
00:29:47.620
has put a chill across Canadians because they see what happened to Tamera Leach. They see what
00:29:56.160
happened to Tom Muratso. They see what happened to so many people who had their bank accounts frozen.
00:30:01.560
They couldn't make payroll. They couldn't pay their mortgage. They couldn't buy their groceries.
00:30:04.900
And for what? Because they stood up peacefully to their government. It, you could, a lot of people,
00:30:12.140
there are a lot of people who are, who are willing to say, I wouldn't change a thing to
00:30:16.780
Tamera Leach said that last night. I wouldn't change a thing, but there are a lot of people
00:30:20.140
who are just, and who could blame them say the price is just too high. And that is what invoking
00:30:27.300
the emergencies act. I think it wasn't just to stop that protest. It was to stop any protests
00:30:33.580
going forward. And I think by and large, it could work. Uh, true North, um, recently put out a
00:30:41.060
documentary about this. And I think they asked a question that I'd never heard anybody ask before,
00:30:46.140
uh, to the truckers. Um, and that was, what was it like on the drive home?
00:30:50.720
Yeah. It's a great question. It's a fantastic question. And it was heartbreaking. Um, like,
00:30:58.420
just imagine that, like it, it's sure. One thing that's a loss that they didn't drop the mandates
00:31:03.380
right away. I don't think anybody believed that they would, um, in the way that they wanted,
00:31:08.640
right. I know, I know they won in some ways and especially in Alberta, um, they definitely won
00:31:15.000
Saskatchewan too. But I think that they could have went home with a smile on their face,
00:31:20.040
even if nothing, no mandate, not a single thing dropped because they united a country, they got
00:31:27.260
everybody together. They, they put everything aside and there was millions of people around the
00:31:32.240
country who vaccinated or not, um, stood up, right. Like they, they, even if it's in their living room
00:31:38.500
or whatever. Um, but because of what happened, that is where that sense of loss comes from.
00:31:46.660
That sense of, it's like grief. It's like grief. Like I grieve over it. Like, it's like, uh, you
00:31:53.000
lost something. Yeah. I don't even know how to put it. I'm not a very emotional person, but I think I,
00:31:59.760
yeah, yeah, it is. It's sad. And I wish the truckers on that drive home had taken to heart Ezra's words
00:32:06.280
when he said on, or when he was there speaking to the truckers that you won just by being here
00:32:12.600
because they united a country and they were the single largest human rights demonstration,
00:32:20.100
I think in the nation's history, but at least in my lifetime. And they spawned a movement around the
00:32:25.320
world of peaceful resistance. Those trucks and those flags went everywhere around the world
00:32:30.900
across other continents. And, um, again, that's why I think the crackdown had to be that hard on them
00:32:38.100
from the federal government because they were the most effective opposition that Justin Trudeau had
00:32:43.280
ever seen. I agree. I asked that question way before, uh, uh, sorry, I was just thinking of what
00:32:51.900
I asked that question, um, to Keith, Evan, Brendan. I only put Eva's answer in the documentary.
00:32:59.040
I asked if they thought it was an inevitable for that crackdown to come. Cause there were some,
00:33:04.380
um, people in audible police service who said that it was inevitable, that there was no other way to
00:33:09.420
kind of clear it. Um, which is funny cause audible police is the one who kind of got in the way of the
00:33:15.160
plan that they were going to have to clear it. Um, but Eva put it in just a really good way that,
00:33:20.480
uh, there was so many other instances across the country, like even at Windsor, the, the border
00:33:26.320
blockade, which kind of seemed to be like the big, most pressing thing, um, being the most, uh, used
00:33:31.780
border and all of the country between here and United States, um, the province and the police,
00:33:37.440
like they went there and they talked to the protesters and the big, big, big majority of them
00:33:43.540
left. And the crackdown that we saw there was for the few people who didn't leave. And that's
00:33:48.120
unfortunate that, um, it, that crackdown was pretty brutal and, and gross, but, um, they, they had a,
00:33:55.120
they had a meeting and they had a deal and the, the, the effect of, of the crackdown was, was
00:34:03.560
minimalized so low, um, because of that, because they actually spoke to each other. Um, and that's where
00:34:11.920
they failed in Ottawa is that even though the OPP tried, um, Ottawa police didn't want anything to do
00:34:19.060
with it. And then when the Quebec police, the worst police in the country came in, they, they didn't
00:34:25.520
want to hear any of it and they were ready to go. They're ready to start stomping on people with their
00:34:31.120
horse. Yeah. You know, the first week of the trucker commission, uh, really reminded me that
00:34:37.520
there are, you know, I give bureaucrats a hard time. I really do. I think you're overpaid and
00:34:42.200
underworked, but, but, uh, Steve Kenilakos, um, uh, city manager. Yeah. With the city of Ottawa,
00:34:51.120
I think the only person in the city of Ottawa who did a damn good job, he dealt fairly with the
00:34:58.400
truckers. He dealt fairly with the lawyers. He did his best to liaise with the police who were
00:35:02.980
seriously inept. He was dealing with a mayor that just really hated those truckers. And he was the
00:35:08.980
most fair level headed, seemingly nonpartisan guy. Um, exactly the kind of guy you want to work in the
00:35:17.040
public sector. Um, he's rare. He's a unicorn in the public sector. I think the left leaning politicians
00:35:23.620
inaudible liked it. Yeah, of course. I think they love victimhood. And Steven Kenilakos, um,
00:35:30.480
Steve K. Cause I, that's what everybody calls him. I can't do his last name properly. I think
00:35:35.000
that guy just wanted to go home to his family and he's like, yeah, here's what's happening. This,
00:35:38.940
this, this, and this, and this, and this, here's all I have to talk to. I'm clocking out of five.
00:35:43.260
Everybody, uh, has got it all sorted now. I did my job. And then when he testified, he,
00:35:48.540
you know, he, he was even when it made, uh, sometimes if it made the truckers or the,
00:35:53.480
or the lawyers kind of look like, um, not bad, but just like not as presented. Like he had no
00:36:00.240
issue doing that, but he also had no issue calling out the mayor and the police. Like he just,
00:36:04.920
like I said, he, he just wanted to testify there too and go home.
00:36:08.120
Yep. Straight shooter. That guy, he was right over your shoulder, by the way.
00:36:12.640
He was right over your shoulder as we were talking about him. Yeah, it was weird. Uh,
00:36:16.600
you know, I know you're busy. Um, you're working today. I'm working today. Um, tell us where people
00:36:23.240
can find your documentary Trudeau on trial. There's a couple of different ways. Um, so let us know.
00:36:31.080
So first off, if you go to Trudeau on trial.com there, this will be out tomorrow, Wednesday. So
00:36:37.100
the full documentary will actually already be out, uh, for free, um, tomorrow night at 6 PM our time. So
00:36:44.720
yeah, Trudeau on trial.com by the time you're watching this head to that website and you can
00:36:48.360
watch it chapters. Um, and that way I made it that way. It's just so people can digest all the
00:36:53.360
information, um, in a timely way. Uh, and then if you want to watch it in full, you can go to our
00:36:59.880
rebel news plus, which is also in Trudeau on trial.com. You can sign up there. I believe it takes you to
00:37:04.640
the next website. Um, and I just suggest signing up there anyway. I think you already have, if you're
00:37:09.880
watching this, um, but if there's a, if this comes out for free, um, that's the best place to do it.
00:37:15.680
Um, I highly suggest, uh, watching it in full, uh, cause it's just such a great experience. Um,
00:37:22.160
just the way that it flows. I'm tooting my own horn here, but it, it, uh, I think people will
00:37:27.180
really enjoy watching it in full. Um, yeah. Trudeau on trial.com. You're missing the in-person
00:37:34.220
showing on March 8th. Oh my gosh. And we're showing it in person in Edmonton on March 8th
00:37:42.420
at church in the vine, my favorite church. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that, but, um,
00:37:47.120
saying it anyway, church in the vine and, uh, it's going to be great. It's $12 tickets. Uh,
00:37:52.600
it's the family friendly version. I'm going to go through the documentary and cut out all the F
00:37:56.660
bombs. So, uh, people can bring their, uh, kids if they so wish. Um, and you get a pop and maybe a,
00:38:06.000
maybe a snack. Yeah. Pop in a snack of some kind. I'm not making popcorn for three hours,
00:38:11.720
so it'll be some kind of other snack. Uh, but, uh, refreshment and a snack are included in your
00:38:17.960
ticket. And yeah, we love church in the vine. They stood up to the Alberta government during the times
00:38:22.400
of COVID and got an $80,000 fine for their troubles, but they believe in free speech and
00:38:27.640
free expression and free assembly. And they're always so generous with their facility with us
00:38:32.720
when we show our documentary. So I look forward to seeing everybody there. If you go to Trudeau
00:38:37.300
and trial.com, you can get your tickets, but don't hesitate because they go fast. Everybody always
00:38:41.780
waits and says hymns and haws about buying tickets and then they're sold out, which was what happened
00:38:46.780
last night. I'm very excited. Yeah, me too. Yeah. I think also at our documentary,
00:38:53.700
are we going to have the lawyers there? Yes. Keith and Eva are going to be there. Uh,
00:38:57.740
Keith Wilson and Eva Chipyuk. Um, I'm maybe dropped a little surprise. I think Brendan Miller is back in
00:39:04.660
Alberta for then. And, uh, I'm going to send him an invite to come too. Great. So we'll have a Q and
00:39:12.200
with the lawyers afterwards and the filmmaker, and I'll sort of be moderating it. I'll do my best to
00:39:16.960
shut up and not monopolize the microphone. Uh, Kian, thanks so much for making this documentary,
00:39:23.120
taking the time away from your family and your dog and sitting in the horrible hellscape of Ottawa
00:39:29.080
for that long, listening to bureaucrats and politicians lie about good people. Um, it's emotionally
00:39:35.140
taxing. I was only there for a couple of days and I was like, my soul has left my body. I'm somewhere
00:39:39.340
else right now. Um, so thank you so much for doing that. And, uh, thanks so much for taking the time
00:39:43.860
today. Thank you for having me on. And I'm, I'm glad I was, uh, able there to be there to document,
00:39:49.560
uh, this historic event. And, uh, just a quick side note, uh, it was the shawarma that made Ottawa
00:39:55.200
so bearable. They have the best shawarma. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'll,
00:40:03.340
I'll take submissions on that. Kian, thanks so much. Let's get back to work. Thank you.
00:40:09.340
Well, friends, we've come to the letters portion of the show today and I invite your viewer feedback
00:40:21.780
for better or for worse. Sometimes it's why I give out my email address. It's Sheila at rebelnews.com.
00:40:28.820
That's the best way to get ahold of me, put gun show letters in the subject line so I can find it
00:40:32.980
or leave a comment on whatever platform you're watching us on. I prefer rumble because they're
00:40:40.380
less censorship-y, um, than YouTube, but I do go poking around on YouTube from time to time too,
00:40:45.920
because there's like 1.6 million sets of eyeballs watching us over on YouTube. And I don't want to
00:40:50.700
abandon you, even though YouTube's terrible. I don't think you people are. Anyway, today's letter
00:40:56.620
is not actually on a gun show or even a video that I did. It's on an article that I wrote. I
00:41:01.780
write quite a few articles throughout the course of the week here at Rebel News because I just don't
00:41:05.420
have time to do a video on everything. And it was on how Justin Trudeau has recently expanded the role
00:41:10.600
of the associate deputy minister at Natural Resources Canada to include a role of making sure
00:41:20.000
we never actually use our natural resources ever again in a sustainable way. Um, he's expanded the
00:41:27.540
ADM position to be also the special advisor on decarbonization. And this is part of Justin Trudeau's
00:41:37.360
quest for net zero and the just transition, which is anything but just anything but fair. It's just
00:41:44.400
unemployment. It's just inflation. It's just debt. It's just poverty. And it will just please
00:41:51.840
Justin Trudeau's overlords at the World Economic Forum and at the United Nations. But it will leave
00:41:57.400
us, well, largely destitute while the rest of the world continues to develop their fossil fuel
00:42:03.640
industries. The world needs more Canada and probably less Justin Trudeau. Anyways, my letter is from Roger
00:42:09.580
on that article and he writes, Sheila, thanks for your article. Since I was in the industrial
00:42:14.680
combustion systems business and helped the head of Alberta Environment negotiate the emissions
00:42:20.060
standards for Canada, this makes me sick. Looking at the picture of this woman, so the ADM, I can tell
00:42:29.460
if I asked her where electricity came from, she would say the plug in the wall. She wouldn't understand how
00:42:35.080
water gets to her house or process on waste leaving her house. What's the difference between organic
00:42:41.520
maple syrup and regular maple syrup? That would be fun to hear her explanation. You know, so many of
00:42:46.180
these people making these decisions have no idea how any of this stuff works. Michelle Sterling from
00:42:51.300
Friends of Science does great work on this, where she points out that a lot of the people meddling in
00:42:56.120
our energy systems and our electrical systems to make them more efficient and more green have no idea
00:43:01.980
how the electrical system works, how electricity marketing works, and the nuts and bolts of
00:43:09.860
electricity, how for every green energy project you actually need fossil fuel backup or you're going
00:43:16.120
to have blackouts like Texas did when they got hit with an ice storm. Anyways, let's keep going.
00:43:22.960
How is drywall manufactured? Shingles, fiberglass insulation, canola crushing, food manufacturing doesn't just
00:43:29.260
appear on the grocery shelf. Why do all of her clothes have synthetics in them? Why does the potash
00:43:36.480
industry use ultra low nitrous oxide burners and not for nitrous oxide emissions but for particulate
00:43:45.640
emissions? What are all the uses of magnesium oxide for pollution control? It's a tragedy of what
00:43:51.940
ignorant teachers promote in public schools. Keep up the great work. Governments are completely out of
00:43:56.940
control. Roger from just south of Calgary. Roger, you're right. You're right. Now, I don't know what
00:44:04.860
this new special advisor on decarbonization knows or doesn't know, but I do know that the decision
00:44:11.660
makers in all of these things to get us off coal here in Alberta or to ban plastics or to push for net
00:44:20.880
zero in car sales by 2035. These people have no idea the strain they are about to put on an electricity
00:44:28.880
grid that is not prepared to have millions and millions of cars plugged in. We are going to be
00:44:35.680
washing our clothes on a rock by the river because there is not going to be enough electricity to run
00:44:43.280
our washers and dryers when we need clean clothes. That's where we're going to end up here. Anyway,
00:44:48.820
on that dire note, thanks for tuning in, everybody. Thanks to everybody who works behind the scenes
00:44:53.900
for the show together, including my producer, the long-suffering Jesse. I'll see everybody back
00:44:58.740
here in the same time, in the same place next week. And remember, don't let the government tell