Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada joins me to discuss what's happening at the United Nation's Climate Change Conference in Glasgow, and what it means for Canadian jobs and your wallet. We also talk about how much money Justin Trudeau is trying to get us to hand over to other countries, and why it's a bad idea.
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00:02:09.140The United Nations Climate Change Conference is going on in Glasgow some two weeks in.
00:02:20.720And naturally, Justin Trudeau has made enormously expensive promises to other world leaders about how he plans to, I guess in the end, as a consequence,
00:02:31.260shut down entire sectors of the Canadian economy to impress his global elitist friends.
00:02:36.660Now, according to a report in The Washington Post, the draft agreement coming out of Glasgow calls for an end to coal in the developed world.
00:02:47.860Hard caps on methane, again, in the developed world.
00:02:50.560For developed countries to boost their aid to lower-income nations, including doubling funds to help with adaptation and providing enhanced and additional support for addressing the irreversible impacts of climate change known as loss and damage.
00:03:08.560But it does not mention a clear financial mechanism for addressing loss and damage, nor does it offer details on what support-rich nations would be expected to deliver beyond 2025.
00:03:24.560Friends, these are climate reparations for problems in the developing world that no one can prove the Western world is responsible for.
00:03:32.620Now, OPEC and China are laughing all the way to world domination.
00:03:37.580Now, my guest tonight is someone that I normally cross paths with at these annual climate change conferences.
00:03:45.980And we do a yearly Canuck deep dive into the climate madness we see folding around us.
00:03:52.200Although COVID lockdowns kept both of us at home this year, we still watch the climate change conference carefully and, in my case, with horror, as Trudeau opened the shrinking government coffers to make massive spending promises to other countries with our jobs and our money.
00:04:11.020So, joining me tonight to discuss what this whole mess all means for Canadian jobs and your wallet is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon.
00:04:41.020So, joining me now is my friend and good friend of the show and of Rebel News, Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition Canada.
00:04:47.900And I wanted to have Tom on the show because it is our yearly in-person meeting normally at the UN Climate Change Conferences.
00:04:56.140However, Tom stayed home this year and I stayed home this year.
00:05:00.360We did send somebody, Louis Brackpool, to cover it for us.
00:05:03.780But Tom always digests these big macro ideas and these plans to control your life into what it means for the normal people.
00:05:14.760And so, I thought I would have Tom on for our yearly not-so-in-person meeting this year to discuss what went down at the UN Climate Change Conference in Glasgow.
00:05:23.720So, Tom, thanks for being on the show.
00:05:27.620You sent me some pretty detailed notes, as you always do, about what went down in Glasgow and some of the goals, their objectives, the tools by which they plan to control our comings, our goings, all basically just like COVID, but with climate change as the reason instead of the Wu flu.
00:05:47.540And one of them was secure global net zero by mid-century and keep 1.5 degrees within reach.
00:05:59.200I know we had Justin Trudeau out talking about this and we'll get to that.
00:06:02.860But what does this mean at the UN level?
00:06:05.580Well, it is called sometimes sarcastically the King Canute Clause.
00:06:10.060The idea that we can control the climate.
00:06:13.180And, you know, since 1880 or thereabouts, you know, when the Lice Age ended, we've seen an increase in temperature of 1.1, 1.2 degrees averaged over the whole Earth.
00:06:23.200And what the UN are saying is that if it goes beyond 1.5 degrees, only 0.3 more, that we're going to see catastrophe.
00:06:38.460Because when I look outside and it's 0 degrees today and I'm thinking, so a longer growing season and less harsh climate here in Alberta where we make all your food?
00:06:47.620And I'm supposed to be mad about this?
00:06:57.460If they are right, most of the warming would occur at night, in the winter, in high latitudes.
00:07:04.480And I don't think there's very many polar bears or any kind of wildlife or plants or anything that would care if it was minus 38 instead of minus 40.
00:07:46.320Let's say half the Earth got 10 degrees warmer.
00:07:49.180And let's say half the Earth got 10 degrees colder.
00:07:51.460Well, the difference in temperature would be so great, you'd have massive pressure gradients, you'd have extreme weather, it would be an absolute disaster.
00:07:59.500And yet, with half getting warmer by the same amount that half of it's getting colder, the average temperature wouldn't change.
00:08:44.780He was an advisor to Trump, actually, on this issue.
00:08:47.820They've published a paper recently where they analyzed how much potential increase in warming could there be due to increasing greenhouse gases.
00:08:57.080And they looked at the different greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide, methane, and other ones.
00:09:01.560And they found that with respect to carbon dioxide, we've achieved virtually all of the warming that carbon dioxide can cause.
00:09:09.400So, even if there were a doubling of carbon dioxide, we're seeing, according to his models, and these are being, you know, this is a very reputable scientist doing these studies, and it's being validated by many people.
00:09:20.600They're showing that CO2 doubling will have virtually no effect, okay?
00:09:25.600Because they look at the absorption lines in the spectrum, and they look at how much energy is being absorbed now by carbon dioxide and how much would be absorbed if there was twice as much carbon dioxide.
00:09:36.260And the change is so small, you have to really look closely at the graph to even see it.
00:09:42.040Now, the other thing that they found, which I found pretty intriguing, considering that Trudeau signed on to this methane pledge, is that the impact of methane is apparently only about one-tenth the impact of carbon dioxide.
00:09:55.900So, if carbon dioxide doubling causes almost no temperature rise, then methane is not a problem at all.
00:10:04.760And yet, Trudeau has committed huge commitments to reduce methane from the oil and gas sector.
00:10:10.500And, you know, we can get into that because his different commitments are very damaging for Canada.
00:10:17.700And I noticed that some of their, the tools by which they plan to achieve net zero are in contrast with each other.
00:10:27.620So, one of them is to accelerate the phase-out of coal, okay, and curtail deforestation.
00:10:37.360Well, if you accelerate the phase-out of coal, that's going to lead to deforestation in the developing world because they'll go back to using their forests to heat their homes, to cook their food, for even electricity.
00:10:50.780You also see the same people arguing for using biofuels and burning pellets for electricity.
00:10:57.560And it's like, where do you, where do you think that comes from?
00:11:00.720By the way, if you want more trees, you need carbon dioxide.
00:11:07.600And, you know, the only measurable impact of carbon dioxide on the biosphere so far, the increase that we've seen, and we've seen about a 50% increase since the Industrial Revolution, the only measurable impact has been a densification of forests and a huge increase in crop yield.
00:11:23.780So, I mean, CO2 is a good thing, and people that study agriculture are hoping CO2 continues to rise so that we can, you know, we can feed billions of people.
00:11:33.400But, you know, this business of coal phase-out is a real problem because just during the COP conference, and you won't believe this, while Trudeau was saying how we're going to phase out coal completely, I think he said by 2030, we can get into that.
00:11:46.960Australia announced 116 new fossil fuel plants, and there are a lot of those, of course, in Australia, they're always coal.
00:11:56.360And apparently, this is going to cause a 30% increase, 30% increase in Australia's greenhouse gas emissions.
00:12:03.580And they announced that right during the COP conference.
00:12:21.440Now, there's actually a funny joke that's going around the UN Climate Conference.
00:12:25.420I was told this by people at the conference.
00:12:27.340They're saying that some of these commitments, like India's net zero by 2070, you know, it's like a 75-year-old alcoholic saying, I'm going to quit drinking in the next 30 years.
00:12:51.900Oh, but in the meantime, we're going to massively expand our coal usage, which, of course, makes sense, because their first and overriding priority is poverty alleviation and keeping their people fed.
00:13:02.860So, I mean, coal is a magnificent product.
00:13:05.060And if you burn it cleanly, it's absolutely fine.
00:13:08.040You know, there's no reason for them to be cutting back on coal in Canada.
00:13:11.460I mean, Canada has about the cleanest coal stations you can imagine.
00:13:15.520So, I mean, there's just all these different pledges that are going on.
00:13:18.740They're also saying, for example, they want to make actual plans so that we in the developed world must give $100 billion a year to a fund that will help the developing world reduce their emissions and adapt to climate change.
00:13:34.840And they're saying that's not even enough, because after 2025, it has to go up much higher.
00:13:39.180And they're demanding, you know, just in July of this year, a group of 100 developing countries put together a report, and they're demanding of each country how much they have to give, you know, to make up for our sins of changing climate, which, according to them, gave them severe weather and things.
00:13:57.460And Canada's bill is $4 billion a year.
00:14:02.880And so far, Trudeau is buying into this, you know, it's really too bad.
00:14:07.520But just to go through some of the demands from the developing countries, and by the way, China will be a recipient of this.
00:14:14.300Okay, they're not being demanded anything, according to these 100 developing nations, probably many of which are in debt to China.
00:14:20.440So they're not going to demand China to do anything.
00:14:23.400But India has demanded a trillion dollars from the West, and the countries of Africa together have demanded $3 trillion.
00:14:32.740And this is one of the sticking points in the whole COP26 conference, is this loss and damages liability that we are supposedly to pay for.
00:14:43.440Because they're saying that we use most of the fossil fuels in history, we cause most of the emissions, which is true.
00:14:50.260And therefore, things like typhoons, and Hurricane Haiyan, and, you know, extreme weather and all kinds of things, this is caused by us.
00:14:58.680And so we have to pay reparation and damages.
00:15:01.380And that's a very big part of this conference, actually, is trying to get deals where the West is held tightly to this $100 billion a year pledge, but also to a much bigger pledge in the future, you know, approaching trillions, as we were just saying.
00:15:18.080So that, I think, by itself is probably going to sink this UN climate conference.
00:15:22.900The methane deal, that will probably be the only significant thing, I think, that comes out of the conference.
00:15:29.360But just looking together, looking at other things, for example, in the COP, we must finalize the Paris rulebook.
00:15:35.940Okay, so that's another thing that they want to do, is really hold us, hold a gun to our head and say, if you don't do it, you're going to get these penalties.
00:15:44.080And, you know, one thing people have to realize is that this COP conference, COP26, it comes because it's the 26th meeting of the Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
00:15:58.560See, in 1992, Prime Minister Mulroney and the first George Bush and other world leaders, they signed on to something called the Framework Convention on Climate Change.
00:16:09.880Now, that's where all the corruption started.
00:16:12.420Before that, the IPCC, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, created in 1988, it actually had an honest job to do.
00:16:21.600It was looking at what were the causes of climate change.
00:16:25.260But in 1992, the UN decided to have this Framework Convention at the Rio Conference, and they did a couple of tricky things.
00:16:33.540First of all, they defined climate change in a way that is only caused by humans.
00:16:39.780And here's what they said. Climate change, and this is from the Framework Convention, and this is where the corruption really started.
00:16:46.900Climate change means a change in climate which is attributed directly or indirectly to human activity that alters the composition of the global atmosphere,
00:16:56.060which is in addition to natural climate variability absorbed over comparable timeframes.
00:17:02.040So when you hear UN people say climate change is caused by humans, well, of course it is, because they define climate change as being caused by humans.
00:17:11.780So, I mean, first of all, they distorted the language.
00:17:16.760And then another thing they did, I've got to read this to you, too, because it is kind of remarkable.
00:17:21.540They say, the objective of this convention, this is the treaty that was signed in Rio, the Framework Convention,
00:17:28.640is to achieve stabilization of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system.
00:17:37.600So what if there is none? In other words, they're assuming that we're causing dangerous climate change.
00:17:45.480That's the assumption. And, of course, if it's not happening, then the whole point of the Framework Convention is immaterial.
00:17:52.000And the corruption actually expanded beyond the Framework Convention, because then the UN IPCC had its mandate changed.
00:18:01.940Its mandate, the science body, was to support the convention.
00:18:06.640And since the convention defined climate change as being caused by us, and that there was dangerous anthropogenic climate change to stop,
00:18:14.580the IPCC then had to start generating reports that would support the narrative decided by the UN.
00:18:22.900And so from then on, the IPCC joined them in the, you know, the cesspool of corruption.
00:18:29.180And that's where all these COP conferences happened.
00:18:32.420You see, the UNFCCC was ratified in 1994, and the first COP happened in 1995.
00:18:38.520So COP1, COP, you know, 21 was in Paris. COP26 now is happening in Glasgow.
00:18:46.820And every five years, they have what they call a global stock take.
00:18:50.280And this is one of those special COP meetings where they have to actually up the ante.
00:18:55.720They have to not only say what they're doing, they have to actually show what they're doing and make solid commitments.
00:19:00.900And that's why this COP is actually more important than most.
00:19:03.820But, yeah, you should look at the things that Trudeau has committed us to.
00:21:30.620TD Economics did a study of this a few years ago, or I guess it would be about a year ago now,
00:21:36.840that this could cost upwards of a half a million jobs, primarily in the West here and in Newfoundland,
00:21:45.600if Justin Trudeau pursues net zero by 2050.
00:21:50.660And what a bizarre goal net zero emissions is anyways, because Canada is, we're way beyond net zero when you take into what our forests use as far as CO2.
00:22:02.520So we're actually, you know, helping the rest of the world just by the sheer level of forests we have, if you care about CO2 levels.
00:22:10.660And I don't, but Justin Trudeau keeps telling me he does.
00:22:14.740So, you know, why do this devastating thing to the Canadian economy when really we're already there and then some?
00:22:55.660They'll just go, and we will lose incredibly with the billions of dollars a year that we'll lose in revenues.
00:23:02.840And what will happen is people will still use energy, they'll just bring in their energy from the Middle East.
00:23:08.700Where they don't do these kinds of crazy things.
00:23:11.060You know, if you were concerned about carbon dioxide, and I'm not, but if you were, you would want to have as much Canadian energy as possible,
00:23:19.160because we have hugely better standards than most of the world.
00:23:23.060But instead, he's killing our particular oil and gas sector.
00:23:27.300And you know, it's funny, because in the press release from the Prime Minister's office, they said that in a letter sent from Ministers Guybeau and Wilkinson,
00:23:35.480the government is seeking the advice of the net zero advisory body on how best to move forward with this approach.
00:23:41.760And I thought, well, guys, maybe you should have asked them before you made the announcement.
00:23:46.800Again, they might come back to you and say, you can't do it without ruining the Canadian economy.
00:24:16.800He's made a commitment, a huge commitment, which will damage our oil and gas industry in other ways, too, that we'll get into.
00:24:23.840And then he's saying, we're going to seek the advice of this body as to how to move forward.
00:24:29.140And I say, Guy, you've got to talk to your experts first, not after you've made the decision, or it becomes decision-based evidence-making,
00:24:37.660because then that body, well, they've got to twist and turn the numbers to make it so that it looks like we can do it.
00:24:43.760About the only thing we can say that is good about all this is that, so far, we've never come close to meeting our targets.
00:24:51.420So the hope is that this is all smoke and mirrors, and he actually won't do anything.
00:24:56.400Here's to liberals not doing anything right.
00:25:02.120I'll send you, actually, after you talk, which was comparing the targets with the accomplishments for every single target that was set back to about 1990.
00:25:11.120And it's actually quite hilarious, because as the years go by, they make greater and greater targets, and they miss every single one of them.
00:27:50.060But this strands that asset for Albertans.
00:27:52.960The net zero by 2030 or 2050 or whatever his latest target is, that directly targets Alberta jobs.
00:28:03.460His methane pledge that we'll talk about in a second, that directly targets Alberta, particularly if he expands it to the agriculture industry.
00:28:11.440But this net zero for electricity, that targets Ontario manufacturing.
00:28:20.220We don't have to look very far into the recent history to see how a transition to green energy killed manufacturing in Ontario.
00:28:40.940And the methane thing is actually, why don't we skip to that?
00:28:44.120Because that's actually an interesting one.
00:28:46.540They have something that he signed on to for Canada called the Global Methane Pledge, which aims to reduce methane emissions by at least 30% below 2020 levels by 2030.
00:28:57.740And he's saying, oh, but we're actually going to have a 75% reduction below 2012 levels by 2030.
00:29:03.940Now, you know, you have to realize that there are three big sources of methane.
00:29:09.180There's energy, livestock and rice growing.
00:29:13.040OK, there's only there's only a few countries where energy is the primary producer of methane.
00:29:18.800Canada is one, you know, the United States, the European Union.
00:29:22.000But you've got lots of countries like China, for example, who their primary source of methane is partly fossil fuels and livestock, but it's also rice.
00:29:31.380And so and they're saying it's interesting because this pledge to have a 30% reduction.
00:29:36.560That's the international pledge would apply to all countries, including countries that have no oil and gas and countries that don't have livestock and, you know, are growing a lot of rice.
00:29:47.660So what you would what that would mean is that it doesn't matter how small your economy is, this treaty, this pledge, I should say, would actually result in a cut of your rice production by 30%.
00:29:59.040So one of the outcomes of this global methane pledge for many countries, if they follow it, will be mass starvation.
00:30:06.980OK, and, you know, that that is is terrible.
00:30:09.640And, you know, you have to realize that methane, as I said earlier on, is one tenth the impact of carbon dioxide and carbon dioxide is not a problem itself.
00:30:20.220So much so much suffering for nothing.
00:30:23.520So, I mean, if other countries join on to this, it will cause mass starvation across the world.
00:30:29.480Another thing that he's doing is he's Canada's committed five point three billion dollars to help low and middle.
00:30:35.100You know, you always wonder about these numbers, eh?
00:30:36.740He's borrowing money because Canada is massively in debt to give money to developing countries which will be gobbled up by their corrupt dictatorships, probably not go to what they're supposed to go to, putting Canada in further debt.
00:30:52.540But anyway, he's going to he's going to give five point eight five point three billion to help low and middle income countries with their emissions reduction and mitigation efforts.
00:31:02.160And one billion of that is going to help countries transition away from coal.
00:31:06.740Now, that is a big joke because China is building coal stations all over the world.
00:31:28.280But China and Japan were vehemently opposed to this.
00:31:32.640China is building coal stations all over the world, especially in Africa, where they're building up this big debt that these countries have now to China.
00:31:41.840But we're going to give a billion dollars of Canadian taxpayer money to try to help countries go away from coal at exactly the time when China is developing coal stations all over the world.
00:31:54.180You know, it's like India's promise to go, oh, 2070.
00:31:57.620He also said that we're going to plant two billion more trees as if Canada doesn't have enough trees.
00:32:09.980And he said that you're going to get 57 million dollars to help some of the countries adapt to climate change, which, of course, is a sensible thing to do.
00:32:17.520But the question is, can Canada afford to borrow money to give it to other countries to do anything for that matter, even worthwhile things like adapting to climate change?
00:32:28.380So, you know, you also have to look at this whole COP thing and ask yourself, I mean, who is really going to do what the COP is saying?
00:32:36.360And there's a very interesting chart that I sent you, which shows which countries are on track to meeting their Paris 1.5 degree target.
00:32:43.900And of all the countries in the world, there is one country, just one, that is on track to meet its Paris 1.5 degree target.
00:32:54.600And that is a little country called the Gambia.
00:32:58.480Actually, the is in the title, the Gambia.
00:33:01.360And the Gambia is the smallest country in the whole continent of Africa.
00:33:04.980It has a population less than Toronto.
00:35:34.860And, you know, as long as we look at places like the Gambia as the climate Valhalla, there's going to be conferences of the parties for us to go to for time immemorial.
00:35:46.820Because as long as there's people and as long as there's weather, there are going to be governments trying to control both.
00:35:54.700And, you know, the sad thing is, though, Canada is so far in debt that we're borrowing billions more to just give it away to a cause that makes no sense at all.
00:36:06.180And, you know, the sad thing is and the scary thing is, is while most nations make their commitments and they run away and do whatever they want, the fear is that Canada will really do this.
00:36:16.260And that's where, you know, we have to, I mean, he says we're the first country in the world to make a 75% methane reduction for our fossil fuel industry.
00:36:26.520You know, he's that, that kind of thing.
00:36:29.160Whoa, it's scary when he says that because he might really try to do it.
00:36:33.840Yeah, it might be the only thing he actually ever does that he promised that he would do.
00:36:39.200Tom, can you let everybody know how they can support the work that you do with the International Climate Science Coalition Canada?
00:36:46.260Because you guys are really on a shoestring budget and you are taking on the big foreign funded activist groups by trying to tell the other side of the story.
00:36:56.820Well, if people go to ICSC-Canada.com, you can see in the upper right hand corner, there is a little window that you put your email address in and we'll update you with whatever we're doing.
00:37:09.100Because we're producing regular radio shows, you know, my podcast, for example.
00:37:15.780You were my guest on my podcast a few weeks back, which is great, learning about your background.
00:37:20.920And yeah, and we have a report coming out.
00:37:23.400Now it's within a few days of being done.
00:37:25.880It's going to be over 100 pages, I'm sure, on the Ottawa Climate Change Plan because it is completely insane.
00:37:32.800It's taken quite a while to take it apart, you know, because so many problems with the plan.
00:37:38.820It's really a cautionary tale for other cities in the world.
00:37:43.820Which gives me chills and heart palpitations because we have Amarjeet Sohi as the mayor in Edmonton now.
00:37:50.600And as you know, he was Justin Trudeau's failed natural resources minister.
00:37:54.080So you can only imagine what he's going to do in the progressive hellscape of Edmonton anyway, now that he's gotten free reign to just do whatever he wants.
00:38:38.480You know, I think my friend Tom is right.
00:38:52.220Normally, Justin Trudeau's ineptitude drives me bananas.
00:38:56.220But when it comes to meeting his climate change targets, let's hope he fails and fails and fails forever because truly the sake of Canadian jobs and the Canadian economy depends on Justin Trudeau missing those climate change targets.
00:39:13.120Friends, if you would like to see the other side of the story from the UN Climate Change Conference in Glasgow, might I suggest heading on over to rebelun.com.
00:39:22.720You'll see my friend Louis Brackpool's reports from on the ground in Glasgow.
00:39:27.860And at that special website, rebelun.com, you can support his journalism from on the ground where he brings you the side of the story.
00:39:37.100The true believers in the mainstream media just don't want you to see.
00:39:41.380Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.