Rebel News Podcast - SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Why is the truth so hard to uncover at the Kamloops Residential School？

00:00:00.240 Will we ever get to the bottom of what was hidden just beneath the surface of the ground

00:00:04.640 at the Kamloops Residential School in British Columbia?

00:00:07.440 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:00:09.920 I think truth matters and I don't mean the subjective truth nonsense of this day you know

00:00:33.440 his truth your truth her truth my truth what I mean are the immutable facts those things

00:00:39.520 matter you need facts to be able to formulate an informed opinion to take a position to formulate

00:00:46.880 a solution to a problem you need truth before you can get to reconciliation that's why I'm so proud

00:00:52.560 of the work that my friend Draya Humphrey has done to do her best to slice through the impossible

00:00:59.600 rhetoric to find out what's really going on at the Kamloops Residential School in British Columbia

00:01:05.600 what was initially reported as a shocking discovery of mass graves of murdered children at the site of

00:01:14.720 a residential school has quietly morphed into something very very different so the first piece

00:01:22.880 of evidence I want to discuss is the alleged juvenile tooth that was found near the site of the mass

00:01:29.840 graves it has been categorically refuted and it is not a human tooth that that is conclusive so

00:01:36.160 that piece of shocking evidence that broke so many hearts well turns out to be nothing there is also

00:01:41.520 the fact of the reported juvenile rib bone juvenile rib bone that surfaced in the same area

00:01:47.520 and a rib bone that has not been tested and in fact presently to the best of our understanding nobody

00:01:53.520 knows where it is so the two sort of material pieces of evidence that most closely and most

00:01:59.440 accurately suggest there may be bodies there are either missing or have been categorically debunked

00:02:04.000 now here's the thing no excavations have been done at the site and that evidence the rib bone and the

00:02:09.920 juvenile tooth it's either debunked or missing seems odd right 69 churches across the country

00:02:16.480 were targets of hate crimes in the wake of this so-called discovery at the Kamloops residential

00:02:23.040 school and the irresponsible reporting that followed they were either burned or vandalized hate crimes

00:02:30.480 against Catholics skyrocketed and yet still no investigation of the alleged crimes that took

00:02:38.640 place at the residential school if a crime went on there we must bring the perpetrators to justice

00:02:45.280 but if there was a lie we must hold that liar accountable but no one in the establishment seems

00:02:52.880 all that interested in proving their own theories about the residential school that's why our friend

00:03:00.160 Drea Humphrey and her producer Matt Brevner have a brand new documentary it's called Kamloops the

00:03:08.320 Buried Truth and it is available exclusively to our paywalled subscribers who subscribe at rebelnewsplus.com you

00:03:16.080 can find the documentary at Kamloopsdocumentary.com so joining me now in an interview we recorded

00:03:21.920 yesterday evening is my friend Drea Humphrey to discuss her documentary why I think she's perfectly

00:03:28.560 suited to do it and her motivation to make it take a listen

00:03:32.480 so joining me now is my friend and colleague Drea Humphrey to talk about her new project to shine

00:03:46.000 some light on the buried truth of what happened in Kamloops look at that look at me hinting towards

00:03:54.080 what everything's called Drea thanks for being on the show um I know that you're um we're filming this in

00:03:59.040 the evening you're out of uh your house you're you're out and about but I I thank you so much

00:04:03.360 for taking the time to do this um first of all what before we get into everything what's the

00:04:08.800 documentary called and how can people find it and support it because your documentary is completely

00:04:14.720 independent um you have no big deep pocket donors telling you what to do or say so let's start off

00:04:21.360 there and then we'll get into the nuts and bolts of the documentary yeah so like you said it's called

00:04:26.880 Kamloops the buried truth um and it's basically about the discovery that we all heard about

00:04:34.720 may 27th of last year that took place at the Kamloops Shishwemek First Nation where at the time the

00:04:42.400 press release said there had been confirmed the discovery of 215 former residential school students

00:04:52.320 there uh later on um it came out that they were talking about at the apple orchard by the school

00:04:59.040 there and so I think I perhaps was one of the only reporters at the time to do a report asking certain

00:05:07.120 things like how did you come up with 215 kids with ground penetrating radar um so those were one of the

00:05:14.880 the red flags sort of early on that uh I couldn't get the answers to so a year later myself and bc producer

00:05:22.800 Matt Brevner head back to Kamloops to try to get some clarity you would think a year later that's what

00:05:29.360 would be available but we were kind of shocked with what we found and um I don't think it's too much

00:05:34.640 a spoiler I think it's still worth watching but some of you may already know that not a single body has in

00:05:41.120 fact been discovered at that supposed unmarked grave site in Kamloops now I want to ask you what

00:05:51.040 made you a skeptic right off the hop and I'm not even sure if you were a skeptic you were just like

00:05:56.880 the dots are not connecting here in that first little bit when it was like we found over 200 grave

00:06:04.800 they said graves here and it was reported as like mass graves as yeah at the very beginning and then

00:06:11.120 it just kicked off uh discovery after discovery after discovery after discovery heavy on the quotation

00:06:18.480 marks um which then set off church burnings and anti-christian hate crimes vandalism I would say it's

00:06:26.480 terrorism all across it was a summer of hate crimes um that justin that that justin trudeau said well I

00:06:35.840 can understand why you're doing this like hey don't do it but I get why you're doing it um what what sort

00:06:41.920 of was the first sort of thing that you thought you know something's not quite right here well I

00:06:47.680 certainly wasn't a skeptic going in I mean we've all heard about some of the horrible things that took

00:06:52.640 place at residential schools and I know that you know they're even with soldiers and things like

00:06:58.800 that there are unmarked graves so there was that aspect of it so Matt and I came in uh to Kamloops

00:07:05.760 with that first report just wanting to make sure that we did the people justice that we conveyed you

00:07:11.760 know the heartbreak that was happening from the stories what we didn't expect to find and I think this

00:07:17.440 is when you know the journalistic light bulb started going off was why I couldn't get any

00:07:22.400 answers from the RCMP or the BC coroner's office about what is happening with this investigation I

00:07:29.040 mean the whole uh country for sure lots around the world is looking at it like this was this huge mass

00:07:35.440 murder of children so surely the RCMP and the BC coroner's coroner's office had been investigating and

00:07:42.720 that's not what I found in that first report and I say in that report that you know it just seems very

00:07:48.080 interesting that the people who are closest to the situation or should be closest to the situation

00:07:53.040 are either unwilling or unable to uh you know give any answers to that so that was a major red flag to

00:08:01.040 me and then there was also sort of the talk about how when the RCMP did in fact try to ask some questions

00:08:10.400 they had been told sort of you're intimidating the specialist at the time the specialist name

00:08:15.040 wasn't named we now know it's Dr. Sarah Bollier and so all of that just seemed awfully weird for

00:08:21.840 like what you're saying everything that followed there and we don't even know who's properly

00:08:26.160 investigating this it was all just the ban so I never stopped trying to get more answers for a full

00:08:32.160 year and then that brought us to this documentary going down and getting some more clarification for the

00:08:37.680 public I and I want to be clear you came at this like you said you just came at this completely with

00:08:44.640 an open mind and I think your your background um makes you I think the perfect person to investigate

00:08:52.240 this because you are indigenous um and you are Christian so you have a foot in both worlds here and so

00:08:59.760 I I think your only motivation was truth absolutely that's what we came there to do and I'm happy to

00:09:08.800 say that we did do that and I had some family members that went to residential schools they went

00:09:13.920 to day schools slightly different back east and so you know there's the the people of their shoulder

00:09:19.360 you also have to remember your own family and make sure you're representing them um you know in a good

00:09:24.080 way which doesn't make this documentary easy I might add uh because no matter what there's a lot of

00:09:30.320 people who's um who get offended by the truth by facts and so I'm sort of anticipating that to somewhat

00:09:37.280 but it was you know so many people were so hurt and so upset I mean we interviewed um one residential

00:09:46.640 school survivor who went to that school he said him and his wife went to that school for years both of

00:09:51.200 them over 10 years and they had no clue until they had heard the press release that there was

00:09:57.760 you know supposedly children buried there so you know he's an elderly man going through all this

00:10:03.040 heartbreak right now and so it was it was um you know it was very important for us to let people speak

00:10:09.200 it was a longer report of course and to speak with people who went there and how the community was

00:10:14.560 but also to ask those questions like you know these things are not making sense and the public should at

00:10:20.640 at least know that we were unable to get simple answers to um you know this situation you know

00:10:27.360 i think this is interesting too because this did this takes place in british columbia and what i do know

00:10:33.440 about british columbia and my other sort of fascination with serial killers um is that yeah

00:10:41.200 yeah completely serial killers cults um i'm i'm just fascinated by what happens to people when they

00:10:51.600 choose darkness what i do know is bc has dealt with finding and identifying forensic uh like identifying

00:11:00.640 bodies in a very meticulous forensic way over a big chunk of land a bigger chunk of land than i think this

00:11:07.280 apple orchard on the uh at the site of the residential school was and i'm referring to

00:11:13.680 the picton farm um where you know a serial killer worked the downtown east side for a very long time

00:11:22.240 women were cut up fed to pigs and their remains were spread around and the police were able to

00:11:28.320 dig through the dirt and find bones um and other identifying pieces of i hate to describe it as human

00:11:35.920 biological material but they found it they were able to identify those remains so that they could

00:11:41.120 give closure to the families i found it odd that when the media is saying this is a mass grave this is a

00:11:49.840 mass casualty event this is a site of a genocide yeah and a shovel never hit the ground i said these are

00:11:57.440 this is a criminal investigation yeah where's the cops that's that's immediately that's what i found

00:12:04.480 odd because i thought bc has expertise in this yeah exactly it was super odd and i i don't want to give

00:12:10.640 away uh the uh this part of the documentary but you will see a conversation that happens with one of

00:12:16.960 the lead investigators in the bc coroner's office um who talks about whether or not the way that they

00:12:23.680 discovered this is possible and you're right um there are certain ways to do this and to do it right

00:12:28.960 and if a shovel doesn't hit the ground what exactly did we discover we have no clue and you know our

00:12:35.280 colleague adam sos did a great report on that too if people haven't seen that so um you know i wish i

00:12:41.600 wish it this wasn't the case i wish well that's not true i mean obviously we don't want children buried

00:12:46.960 under the ground but um you know i wish uh i didn't have to be doing a report or a documentary on

00:12:53.760 something so important to so many people across canada you know i i say that it is linked to a

00:13:01.760 national identity of shame you know like what our children are talking about it's just cannibal and

00:13:08.560 i think you have a report coming up if it's not out already you know um hate crimes against catholics

00:13:14.400 has gone up 260 or something like that in canada i mean this is insane and if this is all from

00:13:21.600 something that isn't even truthful to begin with we need to know that you know i think that's what's

00:13:28.880 so important in all of this and i think that's why when we have a catastrophic event that happens in this

00:13:33.920 country um we try to have inquiries because before you can have reconciliation you have to have the truth

00:13:40.320 part first and it doesn't seem like we're really interested in pursuing the truth part here and and

00:13:47.120 again it seems so easy just put a shovel in the ground but that just hasn't happened yet and the

00:13:56.080 you know our flags flew at half mast um you know churches were burning and we haven't gotten to the

00:14:04.320 truth yeah in bc yeah and we still haven't gotten the truth but we're we're getting closer to that

00:14:11.600 and you know it is what it is facts unfortunately they they don't care about anybody's feelings so

00:14:19.360 we're going to see what happens here and and another invite if anybody from the band uh you know chief

00:14:26.240 roseanne casimir if you want to have an interview and help clear the air on everything uh please get

00:14:31.440 a hold of us we do speak with the chief as well in the documentary now has anybody ever told you why

00:14:39.200 they haven't started any sort of forensic examination here don't you like i i this is the part that i

00:14:45.360 can't understand i would think that the families deserve answers it seems to be as though it's it's

00:14:52.800 not clearly explained but it's sort of tied into sort of you know the the way to be respectful in the

00:14:58.960 situation right uh however repatriation is very important in indigenous communities and that's making

00:15:05.920 sure your ancestors uh remains are where they belong and that's something that you would think

00:15:11.280 would be very important when we talk about residential students who were taken from across

00:15:16.640 canada to go to a school you you would think that that would be sort of the primary focus of this this

00:15:22.480 whole situation and yet another reason to put the shovel into the ground and you talk about needing

00:15:28.400 truth before reconciliation absolutely that's why it's truth and reconciliation uh you know the

00:15:34.640 government is working on the reconciliation part i think they promised 320 million dollars towards

00:15:42.240 these grave sites um so we need to make sure especially when that amount of money is coming out

00:15:48.160 that there are facts aligned with the claim as well i mean that's just simple common sense

00:15:54.400 yeah and it you know i'm concerned that the money is doled out but it's not attached to the grave site

00:16:00.480 it's oh you you have oh you found a grave site here's a bunch of money and it's not for investigation it's

00:16:07.680 not for the truth part of reconciliation were you able to or at least attempt to speak to the investigator

00:16:17.760 who did the uh ground penetrating radar were you able to try to query her absolutely i tried more than

00:16:25.440 once many times i believe adam soos has tried as well and neither of us have heard a single peep um

00:16:32.320 and this is the same specialist who when the rcmp was trying to ask her questions as well um murray

00:16:41.040 sinclair who was formerly i forget uh his role with the truth and reconciliation but he claimed that she

00:16:47.920 felt intimidated and he advised her to get a lawyer uh to deal any further with the rcmp so i don't think

00:16:55.120 she's very fond of uh answering any kind of questions from people who want to really understand

00:17:00.960 or or investigate what's going on this is the part well there's so much of this that i just can't

00:17:06.880 understand imagine in any other situation saying i found dead bodies they're right here and the cops

00:17:16.640 and i think a crime is associated with it and the cops are like okay great we want to talk to you and

00:17:21.520 she says no how does she get away with this i don't know you know they keep saying oh we're leaving

00:17:28.400 the investigation up to the ban well the ban government is it's politicians that's like saying

00:17:34.880 we're leaving the investigation up to trudeau like you know what i mean like it's it's what's going on here

00:17:43.120 yeah i think that's that's the craziest part if there are indeed

00:17:46.480 dead children murdered children here i want a police investigation i want people held to account

00:17:54.640 i want these children treated in the same way as any other missing or murdered child anywhere in the

00:18:00.960 country i just don't know why the the people who found the graves found the graves don't feel the same way

00:18:08.480 oh well i imagine there are some who do i know they're her chief rosanne she's a former chief now

00:18:17.440 but she had spoken out and say said you know we need to get into the ground we need to find out what

00:18:21.760 happened how many kids maybe there's more maybe there's 500 kids you know we need to know what

00:18:26.640 happened um but it doesn't seem to be it doesn't seem to matter what other people think because everything

00:18:34.400 is being led up to or left up to the band now adam sos as you alluded to did a great report and he

00:18:45.200 in communication with another investigator who's been looking into this that investigator uh nina green

00:18:53.120 nina green i believe it is she pulled the she pulled the uh archival records of the site and said

00:19:01.920 oh this there's drainage ditches here like drainage ditches going this way in the exact direction

00:19:10.240 yeah as these the grave so the ground disturbance is identical to what they have decided is graves

00:19:23.520 okay great can we dig up the ground and can we find a uh ditch or be a child that needs a proper burial

00:19:30.480 with their people absolutely you know that was such a huge story um if you guys haven't seen it make

00:19:36.800 sure you watch it yet and when matt and i went out to do the documentary that was around the one year

00:19:42.000 anniversary time so it was uh around june that we went so adam and this researcher um worked together

00:19:48.080 for this what you just described there and it it was good for me to hear you know well what could the

00:19:55.200 other option be because i'm not i'm not saying that this investigator is just pulling something

00:20:00.480 out of thin air uh she described it as after when she changed her story a bit she described it as

00:20:08.080 you know um anomalies consistent with christian burials and you're right well guess what else is

00:20:14.640 consistent with the shape of christian burials it's also potentially garbage plots yeah east west ditches

00:20:22.560 yeah so yeah i i don't think we'll find out without digging and i don't think we'll find out if anybody

00:20:31.040 does dig like unless it's all up to the band whether they want to tell us what they dig if they dig and

00:20:37.120 what they found if they did dig and that's the part that also i can't get my head around the band is

00:20:45.600 elected politicians they're not the police if a crime happened these children are canadians and

00:20:52.400 they should be treated like every other canadian um and if their if their deaths were criminal if

00:20:59.920 their deaths even happened at the school um they're owed the truth their families are owed the truth

00:21:06.080 um there's another thing sorry um before i know that you probably have something to say there but um

00:21:13.040 there were two things that were initially that this the ground penetrating radar investigator who said that

00:21:20.320 these were graves she said there was a juvenile rib bone yeah and a tooth found on site that's that's

00:21:29.280 one of our nuggets in the documentary and adam and this researcher pointed out too and and there has

00:21:34.880 been a couple of news outlets that have kind of said what's going on here since then but i have not

00:21:40.000 heard anybody talk about the rib bone we talk about it in the documentary as well um and then the

00:21:46.000 the tooth but the only physical evidence for this this huge discovery that has changed the fabric of

00:21:53.920 our nation uh is in fact apparently the discovery of a child or a juvenile tooth juvenile rib bone and what

00:22:02.560 was reported as a child's tooth which according to adam's report i don't know and maybe nina's um investigation

00:22:08.000 was not actually a child's tooth um but even the rib bone you'll see in the documentary we talk about

00:22:15.520 the rib bone a lot and i think you'll see that you know this might not be a human's rib bone as well so

00:22:21.600 again there needs to be a proper investigation here that's that's the main thing um to find out truth

00:22:29.680 about what happened so that the proper people can be held accountable in the situation and so that

00:22:36.320 those children can be laid properly to rest if they're under there and so that the rumors can be

00:22:41.440 laid to rest if they are not and so the country can heal because a lot of terrible things happened

00:22:48.240 last year based on that spread from this discovery a lot of people were blamed for a lot of the things

00:22:55.520 there's a lot of you know call me people say i'm religious and and superstitious but i don't believe

00:23:01.360 in generational curses there are a lot of people last year burning churches who sure did

00:23:05.280 yeah it's justice i think one lady said in my reports so um yeah that that's not what happened

00:23:14.720 there was not okay it's not canadian it didn't matter if the politicians wanted to stand or speak

00:23:20.640 against it or not it's not okay it doesn't belong here and it's actual hate that came from it it's it's

00:23:27.520 scary to see that something like that can happen close to 68 or maybe even 60 no one church it was

00:23:34.640 found that it wasn't actually hate motivated so i'll say 67 churches were burnt and vandalized in

00:23:40.080 just over two months after this discovery i mean let that sink in that is a tax against christians

00:23:47.040 against canadian communities against places of worship and so we definitely need the truth to this

00:23:54.560 story canadians deserve that much you know what before i let you go um because i know you have something to

00:24:01.040 do and i appreciate you taking the time um i don't think you're gonna be much longer that's the main

00:24:07.200 thing it's so funny um one of the things one of the church burnings that really stuck with me that you

00:24:15.040 covered last year was a coptic church and yeah that really stuck with me because the cops are some of

00:24:21.600 the most persecuted christians on the face of the earth um it's not a not a holy week goes by when they are

00:24:28.400 not butchered or killed in their churches um and you know these are cops who came to canada guaranteed

00:24:36.880 religious freedom that the right the ability to practice their faith and peace and security in a

00:24:42.560 way that they can in their homeland and they came here and their church was burned for something they

00:24:46.800 didn't do exactly and you know they were just mortified in that report we got to interview some of

00:24:53.280 them but you're right they have they are so persecuted elsewhere their churches are bombed

00:24:58.320 their tongues have been cut off for saying their prayers and here they are in canada thinking they're

00:25:03.440 safe and then someone torches their church right packaged in while other churches were being torched

00:25:10.400 and vandalized it was such a heartbreaking story um and there were some local politicians that came out

00:25:16.800 like the mayor and um i remember uh liberal randeep sarai came out mp randeep sarai and i did follow that

00:25:25.840 case it did turn out that it seemed to be uh more of a mental illness sort of element to that as well

00:25:33.760 um but you know the fact that these christian communities were living in fear is my church going

00:25:38.960 to be next am i going to be hurt when i'm walking i felt that yeah you know and there was another

00:25:45.200 family i think it was back east where the family lived in the church for some reason and and the

00:25:50.640 church was lit on fire while the dad was home and so this is it's just i i can't believe canada got to

00:25:58.640 this point and i still don't even think canadians have really owned what happened you know there wasn't

00:26:06.160 even much outrage to that to it was so shocking so such yeah if we saw 60 church burnings in

00:26:15.120 russia boy justin trudeau would sure speak out against it and he sure wouldn't find a way to

00:26:19.920 empathize or understand with the arsonists like he did here in canada well i remember the human

00:26:26.080 rights tribuna what was her name harsha walia i believe she said burn them all down yeah you know like

00:26:37.280 well drea i want to thank you so much for uh your hard work on this uh important piece of journalism

00:26:45.040 um i know that you probably feel tugged in all directions and um i'm sure you're going to get a

00:26:49.680 little bit of blowback um from some people who just don't want the truth to come out but um as they

00:26:56.240 say the truth shall set you free yes counting on that and thanks for everybody who's going to watch

00:27:02.320 it let me know i got an email let me know what you think and also thanks to matt bradner who did a

00:27:07.200 great job helping putting all together so you guys can see it firsthand and up close the only way

00:27:14.880 the only platform to do so rebel news yes thanks to matt especially i mean he just does great work

00:27:22.240 he's a not a videographer he's a cinematographer thanks for having me phila thanks dra i'm gonna go

00:27:30.800 aid into the night now to get more information about when in-person screenings of kamloops the buried

00:27:48.640 truth are taking place make sure you keep checking back at that special website kamloops documentary dot com

00:27:57.920 now this is the portion of the show where we normally take our viewer feedback you see unlike

00:28:05.520 the mainstream media we here at rebel news actually do want to hear from you we care about what you think

00:28:11.520 about the work that we're doing that's why i invite you i ask you send me an email to sheila at rebel news

00:28:20.160 dot com but do me a favor put gun show letters in the subject line so i can easily find it i get

00:28:26.800 a million emails a day today's comment comes from someone called soldier of light i'm pretty pretty

00:28:32.320 sure that's not your real name who says why is the government of canada continually investing in

00:28:37.520 isolation camps and then they send me a link to a government press release that i've actually

00:28:42.480 previously reported on so you can find that on rebel news dot com but i think we all know why the

00:28:48.160 government is continuing to invest in isolation camps which are really covid jails and that's because the

00:28:56.240 covid scare and the arrive can spy app well those two things are absolutely never going away those

00:29:03.600 two tools are the things by which the government controls every aspect of your life one is an excuse for

00:29:11.200 constant government spending extra rules and a crackdown on political dissidents protesting and

00:29:18.080 the other one that spy app that's how they can identify those people who might be some of those pesky

00:29:26.000 political dissidents you know the isolation camps the covid jails they're kind of just the backstory

00:29:32.480 well everybody that's the show for tonight thank you so much for tuning in i should tell you why i'm

00:29:38.480 standing here in the bushes um i but before i do that i'll see everybody back in the studio next week but

00:29:44.400 just so you know i'm out reporting in red deer today i'm covering the trial of chris scott

00:29:50.640 he's the dissident diner owner from mirror alberta who faces enormous fines and he was even incarcerated

00:29:57.760 for protesting after his property was seized because he reopened his restaurant

00:30:03.360 in defiance of the lockdowns now if you haven't seen our coverage please go to our website rebelnews.com

00:30:10.000 and you can see all of my live tweets from inside the courtroom there and remember you guys

00:30:15.440 don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think

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SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Why is the truth so hard to uncover at the Kamloops Residential School？

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