SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Will the Omicron variant steal Christmas？
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Dr. Roger Hodkinson is one of the most censored men on the entire planet, and it s not because he s saying anything radical, it s because he is saying the most normal things. He s telling us to settle down, and that the coronavirus is not as bad as everybody says it is.
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Oh hey Rebels, it's me, your favorite Rebel, I hope, Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're listening
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However, you know, I do say it every single week, this is the internet, and the beauty
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of that is the freedom to listen or watch whenever you feel like.
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Now tonight my guest is one of the most censored men on the entire planet, and it's not because
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he's saying anything radical, it's because he is saying the most normal things.
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He's telling us to settle down, and that the coronavirus is not as bad as everybody says
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it is, and that society at large, politicians, our public health officials, have been guilty
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His name is Dr. Roger Hodkinson, and if you post anything about him on social media,
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on Facebook or YouTube, you risk having your YouTube channel and the rest of your social
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media just completely nuked by big tech censors.
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That should tell you how reasonable he is, by the way.
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Will the Omicron variant be the Grinch that stole Christmas?
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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It's another year, and that means another holiday season, and yet the chorus of public
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health officials and politicians are still caroling in harmony.
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However, the song they're singing is not about joining together with your friends and family
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to celebrate the end of the darkest 21 months of recent human history.
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The two weeks they asked for to flatten the curve took about 630 days.
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No, instead they're singing their little fear jingle about the next thing we have to be scared
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So to combat the fear and hysteria that is being blasted at society by politicians and
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the TV and social media, I've reached out to a friend, Dr. Roger Hodkinson, who has been
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an outspoken critic of the societal reaction to the pandemic from the very beginning.
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Roger received his medical degree from Cambridge University.
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He did a residency at the University of British Columbia.
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He became a Royal College Certified General Pathologist and a Fellow of the College of American
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Pathologists. He's a member of the College of Physicians and Surgeons here in Alberta,
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and he's recognized by Queen's Bench as an expert in pathology.
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He's CEO and Medical Director of Western Medical Assessments, and he was the president of the
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Alberta Society of Laboratory Physicians. He's got a career in diagnosis, and yet he's been
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under attack for speaking out from inside his own profession, but from without.
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Now, he's not a man to be intimidated or silenced, and he always has a lot to say, so here's
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some of the interview we recorded at his home yesterday afternoon.
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I'm here today in the home of Dr. Roger Hodkinson, and we are obviously breaking all kinds of rules
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because we're mixing households right now, and the government says that's a big no-no. But Dr.
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Roger, I wanted to have you on the show today because you are a voice of reason, and you
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encourage people from the very beginning of this to settle down, not panic, and act reasonably.
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And yet, as it seems to always be, there's another new variant on the horizon. Just as case
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counts are headed back down, the government says we have more reason to worry. So I wanted to have
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you on the show to give us what you see to be the facts, the straight goods on the Omicron variant.
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Well, the Omicron-scariant, you might say. For those of you who are listening who are into
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crosswords, which I'm not, an anagram of Omicron is moronic. And I think that describes the situation
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very well, because this is not the last variant. The Greek alphabet has other letters waiting.
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And it's predictable. You can never, ever get ahead of an RNA virus, no matter how much you
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vax and booster and so on. It's always for yesterday's virus. And so not only is it guaranteed
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to fail, because it's targeting a virus that no longer exists. But more importantly, when you're
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doing this to billions of people, literally, you are encouraging what we call evolutionary pressure
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on the virus to escape control and for more variants to appear. Now, fortunately, with every
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successive variant, they tend to be less infectious and less virulent, less dangerous, which is a good
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thing. But obviously, this is a no-win situation. You can never, ever get to zero COVID. And so the
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logical thing is, you don't have to be a physician or a scientist to realize this isn't rocket science.
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If something's not been working for two years, and you've tried all these ridiculous things,
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none of which have any evidence in any support in evidence-based medicine, if it's not, if everything's
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failed for two years, just maybe, knock, knock, just maybe, nothing works. Just maybe. It's obvious,
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isn't it? So what they need to do is stop this ridiculous rollout of an experimental vaccine
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that was never needed, is not effective, as Bojo said, out of the mouths of babes.
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It doesn't stop you getting it, and it doesn't stop you transmitting it. So if it was never needed,
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it's not effective. And it's so bloody dangerous, with at least 20,000 deaths in the United States
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and the VAERS system now attributed directly to the vaccine. 20,000 people dying because of the
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vaccine is an absolute minimum. And it's probably five times that because of the unreliability of
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reporting. Obviously, this whole madness should stop, and it should stop immediately before we
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start injecting this stuff into children, which I call child sacrifice, even less reasonable.
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The children are not getting COVID. They don't spread COVID. And if you give them the vaccine,
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they're going to die of the vaccine. They'll never die of COVID, but they certainly will die of COVID
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with 500 cases of myocarditis minimum in Ontario right now. A dangerous, dangerous complication.
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Now, I wanted to ask you about the vaccine complications because now, across the country,
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Moderna is not being recommended to young people, young men in particular. And yet, if you said that
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six months ago, and you were saying it six months ago, you were a crazy person, conspiracy theorist,
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and anti-science. But now, even the government is saying that, but they are pretending that people
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like you were not sounding the alarm bells a long time ago. Well, of course, I was. And I said then,
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and I'll repeat it now, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.
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And they've kept them unsuspecting intentionally. They've kept the public ignorant.
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If there is no information out there of a contrary nature to what their narrative,
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if physicians individually are prohibited from counseling people not to take the vaccine,
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how can you have informed consent if there's no information? They are guilty of the most profound
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medical, where they, I mean, the colleges of physicians and surgeons of this country,
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who are there to protect you from us, are guilty themselves of the most profound medical malpractice
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by prohibiting the opportunity of having informed consent. Quite apart from first do no harm,
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because we know that lockdowns have produced enormous harm, disproportionate to any benefit,
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and we know that the vaccines are actually killing people. So first do no harm and informed consent.
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I lay at the colleges' feet the most profound example of medical malpractice this country has
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ever seen, because it's not just practicing on one individual, it's practicing on society.
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You know, that's really been something that you have been driving home from the beginning of this,
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when you started speaking out, was that the colleges are taking the autonomy away from the doctors to
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treat their patients as individual patients with individual issues.
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I know I've seen this firsthand through our work with Fight Vaccine Passports. A lady named Naomi Smart
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works, or used to work, for CNRL. She suffers from extreme anaphylaxis. Her doctor initially told her,
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definitely do not take this vaccine. I will write you a medical exemption to protect your job with your
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employer. And then the doctor said, I've been pressured not to write this, and so I won't.
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So this college that's never met with Naomi, has never seen her medical records, knows nothing about
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her, is overriding the doctor who's treating her. What does this mean for patient safety at the end
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of the day? If this can happen with a vaccine, what other things can it happen with?
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Well, if they're allowed to get away with this, obviously the future is rather bleak
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for the confidentiality and importance of the patient-doctor-patient relationship.
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The suppression of this traditional ability of physicians to speak their mind,
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to advise an individual patient in front of you who is now sick and could die,
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that right that we have to express our opinion freely has been trampled on.
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And that does not bode well for the future. So it's so important that this is stopped immediately
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at a regulatory level. And everyone should know, Sheila, we were together on a podcast today,
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a very important decision in the British High Court, which cannot be appealed, which has supported
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Dr. Sam White in Britain, a most brave physician, the tall poppy in Britain, who the NHS and the
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General Medical Council were determined to silence, a five-year battle. And the High Court has now ruled
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in his favor, a major win that has international significance, that a doctor can in fact speak
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his mind and not suffer the retribution of the regulatory bodies to affect his position and his income.
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Just so that our viewers at home might realize what happened with this doctor, he spoke out about the
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COVID restrictions, what he saw as dangers adversely affecting not just his patients, but society at large.
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And he was given a prohibition on speaking out even on social media. They limited his free speech and he won
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a human rights decision that allows him now to speak his mind and speak what's on his heart when he sees
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Yes. In other words, he was treated exactly like Chris Scott at the Whistle Stop Cafe.
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This is a, I can't emphasize this enough. This is a massive win for medicine and for the freedom of
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expression in general, because it will have international repercussions. People will be watching
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that decision and seeing what happens next. If they have any wiggle room, for example, to still get at
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him, people should realize that the NHS and the General Medical Council in Britain never lose.
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And I think, you know, when you, when you see this victory, it, I hope at least, it will embolden other
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doctors to speak out, because now they realize that they can't have their human rights violated, they can't
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have these free speech prohibitions on social media. It's interesting to see so frequently, and we've seen this
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for years with the climate change debate. 97% of scientists agree. Yeah, because you're censoring
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the other ones. And the same thing is unfolding in medicine right now, where they say, all the doctors
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agree. Well, yeah, because the ones that don't, you take their license away. And even when that's not
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enough, you shut them up on social media with these orders and regulatory offenses against them.
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Yes, and I'd say, you know, there's, there's other, there's greater significance for this decision in
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terms of the recent pronouncements by Merkel in Germany, to mandate vaccination of the unvaccinated,
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no option, there'll be a syringe at your door, especially for you. And then, of course, there's the
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pronouncement by the president of the EU, another German, it seems to be in their genes, doesn't it?
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It's not a good look. It seems to be in their genes, doesn't it? The president of the EU saying that she would
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like to scrap the Nuremberg Code. Well, of course, you want to scrap the Nuremberg Code if you're guilty
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under it. So clearly, this decision has ramifications that can influence this, the continental madness that's
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going on. I wanted to ask you something because you did send me an email late last week, because I'm subjecting
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myself to antibody testing. My friend and I, one of us had COVID, one of us is double vaccinated.
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And it's, the reason I'm doing that testing is because that testing is good enough for the
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government to make their decisions, should be good enough for me. And we're seeing whose immunity
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wanes faster, the double jabbed or the natural, naturally obtained immunity. But you also sent me an
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email saying there are other things that I should be on the lookout for when I'm doing this test.
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Yes, the antibody study is largely irrelevant. Antibodies don't last forever, even with a COVID
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infection, they wane. The big point is that the immune system has two important arms. One is to
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create antibodies that everyone's aware of. But there's also the cellular immunity, the so-called
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T cell immunity, which is much more important as the long term memory of what you have faced and
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succeeded in battling and are still alive. So those cells are ready and waiting to just go next time
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you're exposed to disease X. The T cell immunity is much more important for viral illnesses. But we do
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not have a readily available test in Canada in order to test for that capability. We just have the
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antibody test. Better than nothing. But we know, of course, from the vaccination studies that the antibody
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result response is quite temporary, six months or thereabouts. And that's the predicate, of course,
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for needing to be jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab every three months to maintain that level. Quite apart from the
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fact that the antibodies are no longer specific for that particular version of the virus that's around
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today. It happens to be Omicron now. It'll be some other Greek letter next month for sure if the
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madness of booster jabs indefinitely continues. Now, I wanted to ask you before I let you go,
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because you've been very generous with your time and you're home today. You've been a bit of an oracle
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from the beginning of all of this. And, you know, some would say you have a crystal ball, but I think you
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have a crystal mind. What's on the horizon for society when it comes to COVID? Are we going to see the
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restrictions rolled back? Are the vaccine passports permanent? What happens next?
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There are already cracks in the dam, and we've heard of one in Britain just today. This tyranny always fails,
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but we can't wait for the courts, as in Britain, to be decisive. There's a need for individuals to
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stand up and be counted, no matter what gets thrown at you, whatever the consequences are, personal
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friendships, etc. So important that individuals stand up, bang the table with their MLAs, bang the table
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with your church leaders, make sure your voice is heard. The reality is, Sheila, that
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very shortly, the autopsy of this mad event will be written by the likes of Alex Berenson and other
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investigative journalists. Clearly, when children start dying in numbers because of this vaccination
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program, that will, I think, be the last straw for the population that's currently undecided about
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this whole mad episode. It will result in a huge loss of confidence in politicians.
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Kennedy is, Kenny is toast. He's the dead man walking, in my opinion. And so is Trudeau. When the truth of
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this starts getting out in lay language, when the autopsy is written and the basement printing press
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starts working, politicians, watch out. We're coming for you. There's still a thing called elections in
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this country, and you will not survive. There will be blood in the gutter. You better get ahead of the
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game now, put your standard in the ground and say, I was wrong. And then perhaps you'll be forgiven.
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I said that was my last question, but it wasn't my last question. My last question is, given that
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we are purging the most ethical people amongst us, the resistors from academia, in the case of Dr.
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Julie Panessi, in politics, in the case of Belinda Karahelios being not allowed to do her job in the
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Ontario legislature, what does this mean for society's institutions? Because we are purging
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the people we want in positions of power, from positions of power. What does that mean for the
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advancement of medicine, society, human rights going forward? I take a very different take on COVID.
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COVID is actually a very fortunate event. COVID has made us focus on the loss of freedoms.
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It has a more generic concern. Yes, COVID is unfortunate. But remember, it's no worse than the
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annual bad flu. You've got to have it in perspective here. This never was Armageddon. But I liken it to
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a pustule that we can finally pop and get people aware of the significance of loss of freedoms,
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how wokeism has taken over society, this desire to follow the herd implicitly, to give up anything
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and everything just so we can have our Netflix and water bottle and iPhone and everything else is peachy.
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Thank you very much. No, it's not peachy. Look what can happen if you let government get away with this
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one. So when they lose on this one, which will be big time, big time, when they lose on this one,
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I see it as a very positive thing for humanity because it has significance way beyond COVID.
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Well, I love your optimism. And I look at things through a very particular worldview. So for me,
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I do agree. Iron sharpens iron. Dr. Roger, I want to thank you so much for taking the time.
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Oh, okay. I'll let you have one more. Checkmate. Mr. Kenny, checkmate.
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Oh. Dr. Roger, thank you so much for your time today and your hospitality and your reasoned analysis
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of the scaremongering that we live with every single day. I worry about the state of society
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when everybody exists in this heightened state of anxiety where they feel justified and yelling
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at total strangers in the grocery store because the TV and the politicians told them to. So I
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appreciate your calm analysis with regard to everything. It's been a pleasure, Sheila. Thank you
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very much. Now, for those of you who have been following along the trials and tribulations of
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Dr. Roger Hodkinson, he has been slandered, maligned and written off as a kook, despite his extensive
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professional and educational history. And I only listed a bit of it. There's so much. But the censorship
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around Roger is so prolific you can get your Facebook page and your YouTube account cancelled
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just for posting clips of him saying perfectly medically sound things. It's been my experience
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in censorship that they only go after people with something dangerously important to say.
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And that's why Roger's always welcome on my show to speak what's on his mind. Uncensored.
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Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back
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here in the same time in the same place next week. And remember, don't let the government