Rebel News Podcast - March 10, 2022


SHEILA GUNN REID ｜ Would environmentalists reject their grants if they knew it was Russian money？


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46 minutes

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404

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Summary

The left in North America cannot shut up about Russian meddling. In fact, they spent four years accusing President Donald Trump of being a foreign agent. But what if they were the real foreign agents of Russian oligarchs? Do they even care? Or do they just want to do business with people they see as human rights abusers?


Transcript

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00:00:32.700 how Russia has funded the green energy movement and opposition to pipelines and fracking in
00:00:42.920 the United States, and some of that money potentially ended up in Canada blocking our pipelines, and
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00:03:32.960 You know, the left in North America cannot shut up about Russian meddling. In fact,
00:03:39.020 they spent four years accusing President Donald Trump of being a foreign agent apropos of, well,
00:03:44.380 no evidence whatsoever. But what if they, the green left, were the real foreign agents of Russian
00:03:49.660 oligarchs? Do you think they would even care? Do you think that they would pick up their check
00:03:55.720 from the environmentalist charity clearinghouse to go on a demarketing campaign to block Canadian
00:04:01.040 pipelines if they knew the name on that check was Vladimir Putin? Or do the ends justify the means?
00:04:08.420 Would they be perfectly happy to do business with people they see as human rights abusers as long
00:04:13.460 as they achieve their end goals of decarbonization in the Western world? Frankly, when I see how little
00:04:19.920 the environmentalist left cares about inflation, the cost of gas and heat or eat poverty for the
00:04:25.560 average North American family, I think it's the latter. I don't think they would care that
00:04:30.660 they are the useful idiots in the cog of dictators hell-bent on world domination. We really need to
00:04:38.760 look no further than how the environmentalist left treats China's carbon emissions versus the emissions
00:04:44.780 in the Western world. So I guess why would Vladimir Putin be any different? Now the reason I bring this
00:04:49.640 up is because it's becoming increasingly common knowledge that Russia and or Russian oligarchs have
00:04:55.580 been funding environmentalist charities in the United States, which then greenwash the money to smaller
00:05:01.820 organizations to block North American pipelines and North American natural gas development. This secured
00:05:08.360 Gazprom, the Russian natural gas company's stranglehold on Western Europe and Germany in particular.
00:05:15.740 I really don't think that the environmentalist left cares that they were, in fact, textbook useful idiots here.
00:05:23.040 I mean, who needs oil? They ride the bus. So to discuss how dark green money leads back to Russia and the
00:05:29.440 looming carbon tax hike that is set to send your utility, electricity and gas bills through the roof
00:05:35.560 and so much more is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science in an interview we recorded yesterday morning.
00:05:53.040 So joining me now from her climate cabin is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science and there are a lot of
00:06:01.980 things to talk about, including the liberals suddenly waking up to the potential of foreign funding meddling in
00:06:07.880 Canadian politics. They just seem to have got the culprits all wrong once again. But before we get to that, let's talk
00:06:14.720 about I think the thing that's on the top of everybody's mind that it truly affects all of us.
00:06:19.680 That's the cost of living and inflation. And yet, yet the liberals are hiking the carbon tax up to $40 a ton here in
00:06:29.560 just three weeks from now. And it seems to me there's really only one politician doing something quite tangible
00:06:35.520 about that here in Alberta. And I'm frequently a critic of Jason Kenney, but he has decided to stop the
00:06:42.420 provincial portion, at least of some of the taxes collected on the price per liter. Because it's really
00:06:50.800 the one thing that live or that governments can do is they're taxing us, they're responsible for the tax,
00:06:56.320 they can't change the market. But they can take change the portion that they're taking. And yet we hear all the
00:07:02.860 time liberals talking about, you know, the the cost of fuel and how it's so outrageous. And Rachel
00:07:08.720 Notley in Alberta talking about the cost of fuel and how the government has to do something. She brought
00:07:13.600 in a carbon tax. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, she brought in a carbon tax. And also she brought in the
00:07:20.400 renewables policy, which is driving up costs astronomically across Alberta. And we warned people
00:07:26.100 about that back in 2015. But, you know, nobody wanted to listen, they wanted to call us deniers.
00:07:32.860 Or whatever. And there you have it. I think one thing that's very important is that I just found
00:07:40.000 out the other day, from this paper out of Switzerland and Canada is that Canada and Switzerland are the
00:07:48.140 only two countries in the world that have this carbon tax and dividend or rebate program. And this
00:07:55.120 particular study looked at how the stupid peons don't realize that they're getting so much money
00:08:03.360 back and they don't appreciate it. I mean, really, it's tax them and bribe them with your own money.
00:08:08.960 But, you know, what happened in Switzerland is that they actually voted against an increase in the
00:08:15.100 carbon tax, and they only get a discount on their health care costs. And in Canada, I asked Robert
00:08:21.380 Lyman about this paper, and he said, really, there's so many layers of GHG reduction taxes,
00:08:28.580 incentives, subsidies, etc. You know, the carbon tax makes up only a tiny portion of this huge burden
00:08:36.900 of green debt that we're carting around on our backs that does nothing for the climate and nothing
00:08:42.700 for the environment in most cases. Yeah. And you have a really great video, actually,
00:08:48.860 on the Friends of Science YouTube page, which is phenomenal. You guys take these big, huge issues
00:08:53.140 and break them down into tiny bits that normal people can digest in language normal people understand,
00:08:58.840 because I think some of the things that the environmentalists do is they try to sound a lot
00:09:02.200 smarter than they are, and they sort of obfuscate the real issues with big words and jargon.
00:09:07.060 But the fact that the media refuses to make the connection between green energy policies and carbon
00:09:16.660 taxes with the cost of living, they refuse to acknowledge that the carbon tax is built in
00:09:23.400 along the entire supply chain and compounded over and over again, so that when you get your jug of
00:09:30.300 milk in the grocery store, and you say this is 25% more expensive than it was just a few short months ago,
00:09:36.700 the media never acknowledges that in any of their reporting.
00:09:40.460 Yeah, we've got a short video on that, which I call a carbon taxophobia, you know, because the
00:09:45.900 media is suffering from this phobia of they can't mention the carbon tax for some reason. And, you
00:09:51.980 know, people are always told, well, it's just, you know, a few pennies per liter at the pump. But,
00:09:57.340 you know, that few pennies per liter is at the pump. It's also at the farmer's farm where he or she has to,
00:10:08.380 you know, plant and harvest all this equipment, all this food for us has to ship it, it has to be
00:10:15.860 processed, it has to be packaged all the way along the line, these carbon taxes are cumulative. And
00:10:22.220 that's really what ends up really crushing you. And when you get a carbon tax rebate, you don't get the
00:10:28.280 full of rebate, and not everybody gets it. And by that time, you've already spent more than whatever
00:10:34.520 your rebate is, you never catch up with it. So it's absurd. And speaking of foreign interference,
00:10:40.380 James Hansen, the US climate scientist, some months back, was pushing Canadians to sign a petition
00:10:47.580 for $210 carbon tax, which he proposed would then be rebated to everyone at the first of the month on
00:10:54.760 their debit card, which sounds to me a lot like UBI. And I'm wondering why this foreign interference
00:11:01.180 from James Hansen, his specialty is supposed to be climate, not carbon taxes.
00:11:06.980 It sounds more like a pyramid scheme. It's like, you know, you get those scammer emails saying,
00:11:13.900 oh, just send me this money. And I'll send you back $50,000 as soon as the, you know, Nigerian
00:11:20.920 government unfreezes my bank account. That's outrageous. Yeah. Now, you also did a very horrific
00:11:30.060 reading of the state of financial affairs of the Canadian economy. And, you know, just the sheer
00:11:38.660 impact the COVID lockdown. And I think government's reactions had on the Canadian economy. And yet,
00:11:45.760 the solution seems so simple. We have, as you point out, over, I think it's trillions of dollars
00:11:53.240 in wealth locked in Alberta. But $21 trillion US.
00:11:57.680 $21 trillion US. So that's, you know, $30 trillion in Canadian pesos. And yet, the federal government
00:12:06.120 doesn't even consider that when looking at the fiscal catastrophe that they're facing. Because
00:12:11.880 I don't think they think it's a fiscal catastrophe. I think they think it's an opportunity, as they say.
00:12:16.880 Well, I think they're into the modern monetary theory, which I don't know a lot about. But I think
00:12:21.800 the fundamental principle of it is just print more money, because then and we'll call it fair. But
00:12:27.900 yeah, going back to that monumental debt, I just pulled it up here. I'll just read a couple of
00:12:31.860 things here. The federal government budget, budgetary deficit rose from 5.6 billion in 2018 to 2019,
00:12:41.360 to 312.4 billion in 2020 to 2021, which is an increase of 5,479%.
00:12:52.600 Yeah, you know, the end in this, in this video, we also give people some examples of how much money
00:13:02.600 that is in in terms, say, if we use units of time, like seconds. So you know, we're ending up with
00:13:09.380 thousands of years of seconds of debt, you know, to try and make it more tangible for people. So
00:13:16.740 have a look at the video, have a look at the blog post as well, Robert Lyman put it together.
00:13:22.500 Yeah, it's really quite frightening when you see just how the debt just exploded. And there are three
00:13:28.720 options here, cut spending, raise taxes, unlock Alberta's wealth. And I think the option the liberals
00:13:38.340 will go with is raise taxes. I mean, they are. Yeah, and it's absurd, because people don't have
00:13:45.540 that extra money to pay, you need, you need that export revenue coming in from sales abroad. And,
00:13:51.740 you know, even just getting one or two of the former pipelines going would really stimulate the
00:14:01.040 economy. I think it was Don Thompson, who was the former CEO of the oil sands
00:14:06.400 developers group, who said that during the 2008 recession, there was something like $30 billion
00:14:14.880 rolling through the economy from the oil sands, and about half a million jobs. So, you know, we should
00:14:22.640 learn from that and use that because we have the resources and there's huge demand for it. We've got two
00:14:28.660 or three reports on our website that Robert Lyman did showing that the forecast for oil and gas
00:14:35.080 worldwide is up, up, up there. And we see that now also when we see the prices are skyrocketing,
00:14:42.860 partly because of lack of supply, partly because of people like Mark Carney, who said that companies
00:14:50.400 will have to justify their business and they'll go bankrupt if they don't, you know, deal with climate
00:14:55.660 crisis in their development. So a lot of investors pulled out of oil and gas companies because of
00:15:01.020 that. A lot of insurance companies because of the NGO advocacy and because of Carney's comments
00:15:06.680 have also pulled out of financing or supporting insuring oil and gas development. So what that's done
00:15:15.220 is it's parked these projects that take 20 to 30 years to develop to fruition and investor money has
00:15:22.640 pulled out. Now it's going to take at least a decade if there is a government that investors
00:15:29.300 deem to be stable to get that money flowing back in and get things rolling again. You know, but we're
00:15:36.920 short, like, I think in two years, we lost a hundred billion dollars in investment in Canada because of
00:15:43.100 these crazy climate policies and carbon taxes. So, and a lot of it comes from foreign pressure. This is
00:15:50.800 something you've been talking about for at least a decade, foreign pressure, this demarketing campaign
00:15:56.080 that's coming out of San Francisco, and we'll get to the funding related to that in a second. But
00:16:02.440 it's interesting to see with recent events, the liberals all of a sudden becoming concerned about
00:16:10.840 foreign funded activism here in Canada, because some Americans might've donated to the truckers convoy.
00:16:18.780 But this has been, this has been a billions and billions of dollars right out of the center of
00:16:25.780 the Canadian economy based on a foreign funded demarketing campaign. And the liberals are worried
00:16:31.940 about somebody who gave $20 to a trucker. Yeah, actually we have on our website, the Deloitte report.
00:16:38.880 Yeah. And Robert Lyman did a summary of it and he, it's called, has no one read the Deloitte report?
00:16:47.800 He did this before the convoy, but I'll just read this one little thing here. 31 ENGOs, that's
00:16:55.120 environmental groups, accumulated over 2.5 billion in assets, received 897.5 million in foreign funding,
00:17:05.240 and received 2.1 billion government funding. So your own tax dollars are funding these people
00:17:13.660 to shut down your jobs. Like that's insane. That's got to stop. But I mean, 897.5 million
00:17:23.880 in foreign funding is certainly not, you know, some happy American sending a hundred bucks to the
00:17:31.880 truckers. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just the numbers in this report from Robert Lyman, they are staggering.
00:17:41.160 Just the enormity. There's no possible way that the best funded marketing campaign coming out of the
00:17:49.100 oil sands sector coming out of oil and gas could have even remotely competed with this. And it is on
00:17:55.140 all fronts. It's not just on environmental activism. It's on environmental lawfare. It's on lobbying
00:18:01.660 governments to change policies. It's on crazy things like tree planting and pushing the carbon credits
00:18:09.500 exchange program. It's, it was just a multifaceted attack. Like you say, insurance, uh, attacking the
00:18:18.980 funding, going after the banks, spamming the banks with these campaigns of funding, um, indigenous
00:18:26.300 opposition to pipelines, which is completely different from the indigenous, uh, promotion of pipelines,
00:18:33.580 like what we see in Northern BC, where it, you know, it's, it's something with the coastal gas
00:18:39.340 link. It's actually something that the local indigenous bands want, um, but you have outside
00:18:43.940 activists coming in to block it and sort of astroturfing themselves. The amount of money,
00:18:48.980 uh, like even just, I'll just quote this environmental law organizations as a separate group
00:18:55.340 accumulated almost 11 million in assets, had foreign funding of $21.5 billion and received
00:19:02.120 $7.8 million in government funding. And this was to launch lawfare attacks at Canadian oil and gas
00:19:11.180 development. And against the federal government. So, you know, the federal government is funding
00:19:17.080 these groups. Then these groups are suing the federal government. Your tax dollars are paying for
00:19:22.800 the lawyers defending the federal government. And then usually if they lose, they go back and appeal,
00:19:29.180 you know, because they have nothing to lose. So, you know, and they can appeal on every single kind
00:19:34.740 of ground. Same with, uh, you know, these, um, child lawsuits that are coming up. Yeah. You know,
00:19:41.120 and again, they're funded, uh, by, uh, or they're, they're advanced by people who are already activists
00:19:47.240 who really are just using their children as human shields, you know, which, uh, is frowned upon in every
00:19:53.880 other regard. I mean, actually with the convoy, people were saying who brought their kids to
00:19:58.000 parliament Hill? Well, you know, it is a public space. Parents. Parents did actually. And, and, uh,
00:20:05.640 you know, and they got to jump in a bouncy castle, but, um, you know, the, these, uh, children who are
00:20:13.000 being used as human shields to fight oil and gas projects, no one says a word about that. Or for
00:20:19.360 instance, when, uh, tech resources, uh, was about to, I think it was approved. And then the company
00:20:27.120 had to make a decision as to whether or not they'd go ahead that very weekend, CBC, uh, promoted, um,
00:20:35.380 a hunger strike that 10 year old kids were going to go on if tech resources went ahead. Now, you know,
00:20:41.580 if I was a CEO at some oil and gas company, I'd go, okay, let's just move to the Bahamas or wherever,
00:20:50.600 like, you know, if the CBC is going to promote hunger strikes for, for little kids and no one's
00:20:58.020 going to speak up about it and say, this is bad and wrong. And sorry, kids, you got to go back to
00:21:02.820 class. Um, you know, that's disgusting use of exploitation of children. Well, and we need to look
00:21:12.100 no further than little Greta Thunberg to see how children are manipulated and used, uh, to block
00:21:18.700 grownup jobs, grownup people's jobs. And it's funny because now we have, and this is a good,
00:21:24.480 kind of a good segue into the next thing I wanted to talk to you about. We have a real existential
00:21:28.960 crisis, uh, unfolding between Russia and Ukraine and the Russian war machine has been fed by the
00:21:39.680 environmentalist movement and their, their actions to block North American energy independence. Um,
00:21:47.080 it has, uh, enabled gas problems, stranglehold, particularly on Germany with the amount of
00:21:54.420 natural gas that Germany is buying from Russia. That money just flows right into Russia. They build
00:22:01.060 their war machine and now they're using it against Ukraine. Um, but Russia has really played a long
00:22:07.520 game with this. And I, I see friends of science has a great blog post about have environmentalists
00:22:13.940 being financed by Russia. This is something that's been on the Americans radar for about eight years.
00:22:21.620 Um, but, and a lot of it ends up, um, I, I had seen an article and I'll see if I can dig it up as you're
00:22:28.540 talking, but the sea change foundation in San Francisco, which works very closely with tides,
00:22:36.900 they were receiving money from a holding company that was based offshore. I think it's Klein
00:22:43.900 and the Russians were dumping money into that holding company. And then that money was coming out the
00:22:50.080 other side into San Francisco based environmentalist organizations like sea change and tides. And we
00:22:58.000 know that some of that foreign money ended up in Canada and it was particularly, particularly designed
00:23:04.920 in this case to block fracking and fund at the anti-fracking movement because that secured gas
00:23:12.260 proms market share. If Americans were not exporting liquefied natural gas.
00:23:17.780 Mm hmm. Yes. And, you know, it's easy also to sort of point the finger and say, Oh, look,
00:23:23.220 Russia's the bad guy. Cause he did all this funding. Well, you know, how stupid are Westerners?
00:23:29.080 Honest to God. I mean, sure. This is our 20th year of operation. We've been issuing reports and
00:23:35.140 documents on energy issues and climate science for the past 20 years. And first of all, the media
00:23:42.500 doesn't pick it up partly because as we discussed prior, they are also deeply engrossed and engaged with
00:23:51.320 these environmental groups and partly, and now they're also funded by the government. And,
00:23:57.780 and you also find that, that no one in government has raised a question and said, well, can we really
00:24:07.940 go net zero? Cause you know, it looks to me like about 80% of our country runs on fossil fuels. Do
00:24:14.820 you think we can do this in just a decade or less? Yeah. You know, why isn't anybody asking this
00:24:20.100 question? We have laid it out time and again, and people don't want to hear it. Uh, so either they're
00:24:26.100 being paid to, to tow the party line and go along with, uh, Russian propaganda or they're useful
00:24:32.740 idiots. But, but the point is that, you know, we are all now in, in Europe facing a huge crisis. If,
00:24:42.020 if Russia gets pushed to the wall, they can simply turn off the gas. Yep. I don't think they'll do that
00:24:49.300 because they don't want to kill millions of people and they need the money. They need the money and they
00:24:54.900 actually just want to have a business deal. That's what Nord Stream 2 is all about. Um, but, um,
00:25:02.020 you know, but the West has tinkered and dabbled in the Ukraine. And sadly, tragically, those are the
00:25:07.380 people who are the pawns now bearing the brunt of this when, um, that didn't have to happen. And we
00:25:13.700 have quite a few articles on our blog by, uh, Samuel Forfari, who's a chemical engineer. He was a,
00:25:21.460 an official with the EU for 36 years and he's a geopolitical energy expert. So read those and
00:25:28.580 see that point of view from Belgium and understand how these geopolitical energy issues are vital to
00:25:37.300 the survival of any nation and especially Canada. You know, it's very cold here. Maybe you've noticed.
00:25:43.060 Yeah. Yeah. There's, I'm sorry. I'm just reading through this as you're talking there,
00:25:48.660 this Washington examiner article, which is just great because it links back to all the times
00:25:54.260 the house committee on science space and technology, as well as, um, another house committee,
00:26:00.820 um, tracked the Russian interference in the fracking industry. Um, and they said there's a paperless
00:26:08.820 money trail that flows from Russian president Vladimir Putin's government into a shell company
00:26:14.020 in Bermuda and from there into the sea change foundation. And they go on to say that a lot of
00:26:22.020 the money ended up targeted at Marcellus and Utica shale gas resources. So if you're a Russian oligarch
00:26:30.660 looking to suppress America's natural gas revolution, and the same thing happened to us here in Canada,
00:26:35.380 because the money came out the other side from sea change and tides, and then also ended up in
00:26:40.340 Canada. Pennsylvania is a place where you'd want to concentrate those resources, but the same
00:26:45.620 de-marketing campaign was targeted at us. And so when we hear about, uh, you know, Russian meddling,
00:26:52.980 um, as we did through the entire time of president Donald Trump's presidency, it wasn't what they were
00:27:00.820 telling us. It was something that happened far sooner and it furthered the Democrat agenda of
00:27:06.260 the green new deal. And, and ironically, and sadly, of course, all of these ENGOs have been subsidized
00:27:14.580 tax subsidized by you and people who have wanted to save the, you know, burrowing owl or whatever
00:27:21.220 little creature they came up with, uh, beluga whale or the white whales, you know, they donated 20,
00:27:27.940 30, 50, a hundred, a thousand dollars. Maybe they donated their land as part of their estate,
00:27:33.620 you know, believing that they were saving the planet when they were just being conned.
00:27:39.700 Like what a tragedy, what a humiliation. And now look, we're in really deep doo-doo because of this.
00:27:48.580 Now I wanted to, uh, touch on something that you wrote the other day in the Western standard,
00:27:54.820 and I'm really proud of the Western standard for, uh, publishing your article. They are, uh,
00:27:59.460 early adopters of good ideas over there. Uh, why don't you tell us a little bit about your
00:28:03.540 article in the Western standard? Uh, well, I, I felt strongly that, um, uh, some of the rhetoric going
00:28:12.180 around was, um, you know, really, um, improper, like, uh, Dave Makachuk is beating the drum to go
00:28:22.340 to war. And so I wanted to try and get people to think a bit more about the fact that we will never
00:28:29.460 be on the front line of war. You know, we're, we're all safe and happy here. I mean, unless Russia decides to
00:28:37.060 invade, um, the Arctic, which they could, they have, uh, tons of, um, uh, they have like, I think,
00:28:44.580 eight bases in the Arctic. They planted a flag on the bottom of the Arctic ocean. They have the world's
00:28:50.900 biggest, uh, uh, icebreakers, the world's biggest submarine, and they have hypersonic missiles. So,
00:28:58.100 you know, people should not be beating the drum and trying to make things worse. And I think people
00:29:04.020 should also look at John Mearsheimer's, uh, lecture from 2015. And he was talking about how the problems
00:29:11.140 in the Ukraine between the Ukraine and Russia are actually the fault of the West. And again,
00:29:16.420 because the West keeps dangling NATO promises in front of Ukraine and saying, well, you know,
00:29:21.940 we think you should join one day. And so the Ukraine thinks that's great. You know, if anything
00:29:27.060 happens, the West will back us. NATO will be there for us. Meantime, the West knows that if they
00:29:33.460 incorporate, um, uh, the Ukraine into NATO, that would be a declaration of war, as far as Russia's
00:29:40.740 concerned. And Russia has said that since the 1990s, when, uh, the wall came down and the Soviet Union
00:29:47.860 broke up, they, um, they were promised by successive officials in the West that no, no, NATO will never
00:29:56.420 move an inch toward you, never move an inch eastward. Well, it's been galloping eastward. And, you know,
00:30:04.340 this was sort of the last draw, I guess. So I just think that people should, um, calm down, look a bit
00:30:11.540 more carefully at both sides of the story here. I decry the invasion. I'm terribly sad for the Ukrainian
00:30:19.540 people. But I, I will also say that, um, in 1984, I was in, uh, Russia to try and get a documentary
00:30:28.180 going on Vladislav Tretyek. And, uh, the people I met there were wonderful people, fabulous people.
00:30:35.780 And, uh, they reminded me very much of my farm family here in Alberta, you know, people,
00:30:41.540 salt of the earth, grounded people, uh, very family oriented, um, very generous to me. And it,
00:30:49.140 it was also clear to me that Russia was still in a post-war recovery period, you know, because after
00:30:55.300 World War II, um, the U.S. and the West rushed into Germany and Japan to rebuild those countries.
00:31:03.940 They didn't do that, of course, with Russia, because there was a standoff by that time. But, uh,
00:31:10.340 that means that they spent, you know, the past, uh, number of decades struggling
00:31:16.980 to regain footing. And one of the things I found when I was researching for the documentary is that
00:31:23.700 24 million Russians died in World War II. That was the entire population of Canada at the time I was
00:31:31.380 working on that documentary. So think of what a tremendous blow that is to any nation.
00:31:37.460 So I guess what I'm saying is that, you know, let's, let's try and have a broader view of history and
00:31:43.300 try and find some peaceful resolution. And one of the things that Professor Samuel Fafari had proposed
00:31:50.900 prior to the conflict was that a good energy deal with the EU and Russia could, you know,
00:31:59.300 perhaps end the conflict, make a deal, serve both sides. And, um, and it's something that's
00:32:07.460 imminently doable. Uh, of course, Nord Stream 2 has been canceled now, but, um, you know,
00:32:14.260 it may be a road back, but I think we don't want to pull the whole world into the war because,
00:32:19.940 you know, Ukraine and Russia are big suppliers of wheat for the rest of the world. And thousands of
00:32:27.300 people, millions of people will be facing famine because of this conflict. So we should try and
00:32:33.220 resolve it as best we can, I think. Yeah. It's so strange to see the rhetoric online. I'm anti-invasion.
00:32:42.100 I'm pro Ukrainian sovereignty, but I'm also pro Russian people. And when I see that the Russian
00:32:52.340 government is going to attempt to occupy a country of 40 million people who would rather take up arms
00:33:01.140 and die than be Russian again, they're entering a forever war where generations of young Russian men
00:33:09.900 are going to be sent home in body bags to their moms, because you're dealing with people who,
00:33:15.740 like I said, will die, will participate in an insurgency rather than be Russian again. And that's
00:33:23.020 on the Russian government. And I have nothing but compassion for those Russian mothers who,
00:33:29.980 you know, know that this is what's going to happen to their sons. If this continues down this road.
00:33:36.700 Mm-hmm. And that's, I think, the grim reality of war and why, you know, we in Canada shouldn't be so quick
00:33:44.540 to push the hot rhetoric. Because unless something unusual happens, it won't be our sons coming home in
00:33:56.620 body bags. Uh, and it's a terrible thing. Yeah. You know, it's going back to just the reliance on Russian
00:34:07.420 gas. There are, it's, again, like the carbon taxophobia that you talk about with the mainstream
00:34:13.580 media and they just can't talk about it. The environmentalists can't talk about how their
00:34:19.660 green energy policies have pushed Germany into the arms of Vladimir Putin. They've said, you've got to
00:34:27.980 get off coal and you've got to get off nuclear, but Germans still need to heat their homes and power
00:34:34.220 their homes. And so they, the environmentalist movement left them with no choice, but to cozy up to Putin
00:34:41.340 and buy, I think it's 40% of Gazprom gas goes directly to Germany. And that's the green movement
00:34:49.280 that destabilized the world. Energy independence is the way forward for peace and security. And even now
00:34:56.560 we've got Joe Biden running around to all the oligarchs and horrible people of the world, Saudi
00:35:02.440 Arabia, Iran, Venezuela, a government, the Americans don't even recognize as legitimate and saying,
00:35:10.120 give us your oil and gas. We need more of your oil and gas. And we're up here in Canada saying,
00:35:15.700 hello, we have a pipeline that has like this much left to build. Could we just finish it? We'd love
00:35:21.620 to help you out, but they're, they can't backtrack from those green policies. They're just stuck.
00:35:28.380 Yeah. Well, and you know, we did a report called protests versus green trade war, and you can see
00:35:33.740 if you, and this is the tar sands campaign in their own words, and you can see that the Democrats have
00:35:41.240 used this Keystone XL as a wedge issue. And that, you know, the, the dirtiness of the oil sands,
00:35:52.320 you know, the, the vast expanse of land being excavated, which is actually the same size as the city of
00:36:00.320 Toronto, but they're excavating it in a few years rather than three or 400. So, you know,
00:36:07.580 it's all going to be reclaimed. But that dirty image has been a really big seller for wind and
00:36:14.100 solar, because then you say, oh, but look, this is clean. See, that's dirty. This is clean. So it's
00:36:20.560 really been a very advanced marketing tool. And I think if people look at it that way, it makes a lot
00:36:26.000 more sense. What else did I want to mention to you? Oh, yeah, I think also, you know, we did a
00:36:33.920 couple of reports, ones that climate risk report where the Canadian securities administrators were
00:36:40.020 trying to decide whether or not climate risk reporting should be incorporated into securities,
00:36:45.480 governance and legislation. And we told them that really, it's just greenwashing. And actually,
00:36:52.580 since the world is now at war, like, shouldn't we be paying more attention to practical issues like
00:37:00.060 energy independence, and financial security for the investments in energy. So we hadn't gotten a
00:37:07.600 response from them. But that's also on our blog, if people want to have a look.
00:37:11.680 I don't know if you saw John Kerry musing about how going to war is going to force people to take
00:37:17.580 their eye off the prize of climate change. And then he was worried about the carbon emissions
00:37:21.180 related to war. And I'm like, I think they're leveling cities like that. The Russians have a
00:37:25.680 habit of what they call depopulating cities, they first they shall and then they just, it's
00:37:32.200 indiscriminate. And John Kerry is worried about the carbon emissions. I mean, these people are just
00:37:38.600 it's anti human. I know I didn't need confirmation. But that was it. I'm like, you said the quiet part
00:37:45.160 out loud, John Kerry, you're not supposed to do that.
00:37:47.840 Yeah, well, it you know, it is anti human. And Samuel for far, he has a piece on our blog also about
00:37:54.940 the assault on Western values. And interestingly enough, you know, if you look at the World Economic
00:38:01.360 Forum, they are supporting the Ukraine. And you'd think them being in Switzerland, they might want to
00:38:08.280 prefer to take a more neutral role. But not only are they supporting the Ukraine, they also are the
00:38:16.940 people who've been pushing for a global price on carbon by 2030. Now, we also have on our blog,
00:38:24.380 the Kyoto Protocol PowerPoint that Russia presented, or one of the Russian advisors presented in 2004.
00:38:32.060 This came to us a few years ago, via the Clinton network. And it's very interesting, because the
00:38:38.880 Russians see the climate change movement as the threat to human civilization. And they lay it out
00:38:47.220 in very stark terms.
00:38:48.940 They were just smart enough to fund it in the other parts of the world.
00:38:52.100 That's right. Well, they saw how stupidly sheepish people could be about it. So why not do it?
00:38:57.720 And I mean, honestly, why, you know, we have 1000s of great engineers in the West.
00:39:05.040 Why do governments not appeal to them and say, is this doable? You know, is net zero by 2030 doable?
00:39:11.300 Because it's not by 2050? No, it's not. Okay, well, show us what we should do. You know, and we have a
00:39:19.020 couple of reports on that we have net zero, the Holy Grail. And we also have the cost of US decarbonization,
00:39:26.500 which turns out to be something like 20 times the US GDP. So, you know, these are impossible
00:39:34.420 notions that the Greens have been pushing on society. And politicians have been buying into
00:39:39.460 them probably, because all these NGOs are so rich and powerful. And there has been that flow of
00:39:46.580 offshore money. You know, who knows if it directly entered the pockets of certain people.
00:39:51.640 We don't know. But we do know that the social influence of it has been massive. So they want
00:39:57.540 to get votes. So everybody goes climate change, climate change. But that just enhances and increases
00:40:02.840 the demand for more climate change policies. And actually, Robert Lyman said it when he spoke
00:40:10.420 to us in 2017. I think it was, he said that successive governments have made promises
00:40:16.280 that they couldn't keep and they didn't keep. And yet the environmentalists for the next government
00:40:22.540 have used them like a two by four, you know, to beat the politicians around the head. And you see that
00:40:27.780 as the climate policies get ever more restrictive. But, you know, one thing that I wanted to mention
00:40:35.400 with regard to the convoy and the Emergencies Act, I don't know if people are aware, but in September
00:40:41.760 of 2021, in the journal Metro, out of Quebec, there was a proposal that the War Measures Act
00:40:49.760 should be instituted to fight the climate emergency. And then a personal carbon ration could be put on
00:40:56.200 your VAX port, your freedom of movement could be limited. And all of the things that we saw roll out
00:41:02.720 in the emergencies declaration for the convoy were proposed in that op-ed in journal Metro,
00:41:10.240 in the fall of 2021. And I think, you know, this is why we have to be very careful about
00:41:17.700 things going forward, because obviously, they're keen to use this act again. And perhaps they thought
00:41:25.060 that the convoy was a more viable risk to the public, you know, because all those people were
00:41:32.940 actually walking around with gasoline. There was gasoline in Ottawa. Everyone there rides a bike
00:41:40.400 or, you know, or walks or skates. So they probably saw that as more of a threat. And also Mark Carney,
00:41:48.260 again, an unelected, unaccountable person, wrote a very influential op-ed in the Globe and Mail,
00:41:53.880 calling it sedition. And people were actually just there, you know, making a public protest and
00:41:59.880 having a beer and having fun in their bouncy castle with a burger. So, you know, and Mark Carney is
00:42:08.240 the UN climate czar, right? Yeah. So, you know, very influential guy. Yeah, it's funny how I think we
00:42:17.220 were being primed for the normalization of invoking the emergencies act. They can invoke it over honking
00:42:22.960 and bouncy castles, then surely, surely, it will be no problem to invoke it over the impending doomsday
00:42:30.420 of climate change, according to them. I don't think that that's the case. And it's funny, you mentioned
00:42:34.760 the World Economic Forum, and they tell me they're not sinister. But boy, they see everything as an
00:42:40.920 opportunity. All the biblical bad things like war, pestilence, famine, they're like, yep, yep, yep, that's an
00:42:47.480 opportunity for us to do. Wow. They tell me the Great Reset is a conspiracy theory, but why do I
00:42:54.140 have government documents on it sitting on my desk that I'm reading through? Michelle, thank you for
00:43:01.320 being so generous with your time. How do people support the very important work that you folks
00:43:06.260 are doing at Friends of Science? Because, and I say it every time you're on, you guys have a shoestring
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00:44:05.480 we don't have the money to do it anyway. But, you know, if you look at the lobby, lobbyist registry
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00:44:37.540 because other people are reluctant to do so. You know, it's, I find Friends of Science to be an
00:44:42.820 incredible resource. Even for me, I read government documents all day long through the jargon. But
00:44:48.400 sometimes even I'm like, you know what, let me just go see what Friends of Science is saying about
00:44:53.040 this. They pulled the numbers out of this that I just couldn't find. And it, like I said before,
00:44:59.220 it's an incredible resource for normals to understand how these bad, expensive government
00:45:05.200 green policies are going to hit you right in your family's bank account. So I appreciate immensely the
00:45:10.940 work that you guys do. Thank you so much. And, you know, I'm the spokesperson, but we have a team of
00:45:17.220 professional engineers, professional geoscientists and others. And we work closely with the Clintel
00:45:24.180 Network out of the Netherlands, who are now about 1000 scientists and scholars who say there's no
00:45:31.140 climate emergency. And we do have time. So share that message.
00:45:36.960 I will. Thanks, Michelle. We'll have you back on again, very, very soon. Thank you, everybody at
00:45:41.180 home for watching this episode of the Sheila and Michelle Mutual Appreciation Society.
00:45:45.680 Thank you, Sheila. Thanks. We'll talk soon. Bye.
00:46:01.540 Our friends at Friends of Science do such good work on such a small budget. And as it would turn out,
00:46:08.140 they might even be up against the deep pockets of Russian oligarchs, brave, but increasingly
00:46:16.260 efficient, digesting complex ideas for the working man. The radical left, as always, well, you just have
00:46:23.820 to follow the money to find the real agenda that they have. Well, everybody, that's the show for
00:46:28.140 tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same
00:46:32.300 place next week. And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.
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