Rebel News Podcast - April 10, 2020


Should we start treating Communist China like apartheid South Africa — or Nazi Germany？


Episode Stats

Length

42 minutes

Words per Minute

164.16763

Word Count

6,905

Sentence Count

421

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

37


Summary

We should treat China like Nazi Germany, like apartheid South Africa, and punish them like we do the Communist Party of China for all the things they do to their own people, like spying, surveillance, and human rights violations.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today, I take heed of a comment made by Steve Bannon, Trump's former advisor,
00:00:07.940 who says we've got to punish the Communist Party of China. And I started thinking, well, how do we
00:00:15.500 treat them like we treated Nazi Germany, like we treated apartheid South Africa? What's the new way
00:00:21.660 of thinking about China? I think I have a suggestion that you might find interesting.
00:00:26.940 Anyway, that's today's podcast. Before I get out of the way, can I invite you to become a Rebel News Plus
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00:00:56.940 Tonight, should we start treating Communist China like apartheid South Africa, or even
00:01:11.440 like Nazi Germany? It's April 9th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
00:01:15.100 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know? There's 8,500 customers
00:01:22.660 here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to say to the government about why
00:01:27.880 I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:35.980 I've been thinking nonstop about this virus for a month, like you have, I'm sure. And if you've been
00:01:40.760 watching our show loyally, you know we've been talking about it since January. Partly it was just
00:01:45.360 noting the bizarre images emerging from China of their police state fighting both people and the
00:01:50.800 invisible virus. As far back as January, we sent reporters to airports, noting how flights from
00:01:58.380 China to Canada were arriving with no controls, no screening, no protection at all for us.
00:02:03.920 It's all so much to process, and then, like you, to watch in horror as the news over there became the
00:02:10.560 news over here and how it moves from being news about which we are passive observers from the
00:02:15.060 outside to news in which we are directly affected, as in it's not news anymore. It's our own lives.
00:02:21.060 I think it's worse than the UK, as usual. There are now ridiculous cases in Canada and the U.S. of
00:02:28.500 China-style policing in the name of social distancing. Look at this case from the States.
00:02:34.240 Brighton police are apparently arresting a dad.
00:02:37.160 On Sunday, I'm at the park with my wife, with my daughter. We're playing some T-ball. I'm not near
00:02:42.940 anybody else. The next closest person's at least 15 feet away from me and my daughter. About 4.30,
00:02:48.660 the cops show up. It was three officers, two cruisers. Next thing I know, they're telling my wife
00:02:55.160 that the park is closed. We have to leave. In complete isolation in a park of about, I don't know,
00:03:03.560 30, 40 acres. But apparently that is not allowed. I kind of, I took a stand and I told them, you know,
00:03:11.580 look, this is an open space. It's perfectly allowed. You know, you telling me to leave is a violation of my
00:03:20.360 constitutional rights. I am not leaving. You can issue me a citation if that's what you have to do.
00:03:25.660 They then proceeded to make a threat against me saying, if you don't give us your identification,
00:03:30.740 if you don't identify yourself, we're going to put you in handcuffs in front of your six-year-old
00:03:34.940 daughter. The officers put me in handcuffs. You know, they got me to the patrol car and they left
00:03:39.280 me sitting there for the next 10 to 15 minutes. So they get me out of the patrol car. They take the
00:03:44.320 handcuffs off me. So I was released free to go. No citations issued. No apologies issued.
00:04:04.160 Help me out. What exactly is the health risk of a dad and his family, who all live together anyways,
00:04:10.060 being in the middle of a huge empty field together? That's abusive policing. That's a power
00:04:14.200 trip by officers. That's the surveillance state and the public health care state. And that's the
00:04:19.740 nature of political authority. It always grows. It never shrinks. And right now, I think we're in
00:04:24.040 a key moment as free societies. Will we be conditioned to accept such infringements on our lives as normal?
00:04:30.700 Will it be normalized just like 9-11 was the shock that normalized TSA agents physically groping
00:04:37.540 millions of people, including children, humiliating all of us in the name of safety? And by the way,
00:04:43.420 it's been nearly 20 years since the TSA was formed and the Canadian version of it. And not a single
00:04:48.200 terrorist has ever been caught by the TSA. There are so many angles to this pandemic, the virus itself,
00:04:54.600 the economic devastation caused by the virus, the economic devastation caused by politicians reacting
00:05:00.260 poorly to the virus, and now the threat to our freedoms. But I want to talk about today,
00:05:07.340 not us, and how this is affecting us, and how we're mismanaging it by we. I mean, our politicians,
00:05:14.820 our health care deep state. Instead, I want to talk about they, them, the people who did this to us.
00:05:20.960 Now, a virus did this to us, and I'm not even going to get into the credible allegations that this virus
00:05:26.820 was engineered by China's biowarfare lab that just happens to be located in Wuhan. We interviewed an
00:05:32.060 Epoch Times journalist yesterday who made credible allegations about that, and we have secured the
00:05:37.080 rights for tomorrow's show to show you that whole movie, so I hope you tune in. But as I've always
00:05:42.600 said, what we know without a shadow of a doubt is that however the virus did come about, China's
00:05:48.460 Communist Party deliberately hid the news, arrested doctors who were trying to warn about the news,
00:05:53.800 lied to the world, including to the World Health Organization, which in turn they got to radiate
00:05:58.120 their lives, and engaged in outrageous bad faith conduct. The Chinese Communist Party vacuuming
00:06:04.820 up the world's medical health supplies, masks, gowns, for two months while pretending everything
00:06:10.760 was fine. China continues to lie, continues to endanger us, and too many of us are still
00:06:16.360 sleepwalking through all this, Trudeau being the obvious example. But listen to this. This is Steve
00:06:20.880 Bannon, Donald Trump's former campaign manager, and the architect for a lot of Trump's thinking
00:06:25.300 about China, especially on trade. Listen to this. But the Chinese Communist Party and their
00:06:31.520 culpability in this is really what has to be addressed. Yeah, how will that be addressed? I mean,
00:06:38.000 Steve, you and I talked on Sunday about the fact that they cornered the market for protective
00:06:43.320 equipment in January while they were downplaying the coronavirus. They actually acquired 2.02 billion
00:06:50.680 masks, 25 million pieces of protective clothing. They already make half of the capacity of all
00:06:57.900 masks in the world. Why did they need to buy another 2 billion in January while they were playing
00:07:02.900 down the coronavirus? Not just playing down, they were lying to people about the human-to-human
00:07:08.320 transmission. They knew they had it. They vacuumed up all the PPE, protective equipment, in Europe,
00:07:14.240 the United States and Brazil. So later on, they could use it as a strategic advantage to give back
00:07:20.360 to countries to kind of bleed it out like they did with Governor Cuomo. It's unacceptable. This will be
00:07:25.600 proven, and this shows you it's premeditated murder of those doctors and nurses from Italy to South
00:07:32.140 Africa to the United States that died in service to their fellow citizens in their country. The blood
00:07:37.140 is on the hands of the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese Communist Party knew about human-to-human
00:07:42.460 transmission in December. All of this could have been stopped. The city of Wuhan and the decent,
00:07:47.740 hard-working Chinese citizens did not have to be destroyed. Ube province did not have to be
00:07:52.440 destroyed. Italy, Spain, South Africa, the United States. All of this is at the doorsteps of the
00:07:58.960 Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese people are the biggest victims. This is a murderous group of
00:08:05.000 gangsters, and they've got to be held accountable by the world. The American people, the people throughout
00:08:10.020 the world, and the Chinese people want to hold accountable the Chinese Communist Party. What
00:08:15.300 did they know? When did they know it? And what actions did they take in December, mid-December
00:08:20.660 of 2019? Yeah. If they had done what a legitimate government would have done, which is get on top
00:08:26.020 of this and not let it become their biological Chernobyl, all of the suffering, all of the economic
00:08:31.200 destruction, all the destruction of pension funds, all the unemployment, all the death would
00:08:36.100 have been avoided. It's pretty straightforward what happened. It's pretty straightforward that the
00:08:40.420 Chinese Communist Party terrorized their own citizens, and now they're a threat, as this
00:08:44.580 pandemic showed, to all mankind. The Chinese Communist Party, we have to bring the nation together to
00:08:50.480 address this. We have to hold the Chinese Communist Party and their leaders have to be held accountable
00:08:56.100 for what happened in December of 2019 in Wuhan. They have to be held accountable. The whole country has
00:09:03.080 to come together. We don't need investigations. We don't need another witch hunt. We don't need
00:09:06.920 another impeachment investigation. We need to bring the nation together to focus on what the
00:09:11.320 problem is. The problem emanates from Beijing, the Chinese Communist Party, what they've done to
00:09:16.840 their own people, and therefore what they did to the entire world. This has got to be very simple. We've
00:09:22.520 got to broom out all the noise and focus on the signal. The signal is the Chinese Communist Party.
00:09:27.800 I find that compelling. And as I said on my noon hour live stream show, I hope you're turning into
00:09:32.440 those, by the way, each weekday at 12 noon Eastern time on YouTube. I think we need to start thinking
00:09:38.120 about China no more as a trading partner. It's not really a partnership when we buy all of their stuff
00:09:43.800 and they don't let our stuff in. That's not a partner. And it's certainly, they're not an ally.
00:09:49.320 They are in no way our allies. They're much more than just a competitor as their illegal trade
00:09:55.080 practices constantly show and their industrial espionage shows. Lest we forget, we had a world
00:10:00.280 leading high tech company in Canada about 15 years ago called Nortel until China hacked it,
00:10:06.120 stole its intellectual property, and basically built Huawei out of it.
00:10:10.280 So yeah, not a business partner, but something different. I mean, we do buy things from enemies.
00:10:15.160 Sometimes for decades, we've bought oil from OPEC dictatorships, but no one pretends they are
00:10:21.400 dear friends and partners and allies, I don't think. But I think there's other analogies that
00:10:25.800 are better. Apartheid South Africa, how the world denormalized, demonized, put sanctions on South
00:10:30.680 Africa for its policies of apartheid. It was a racist system to be sure, but South Africa didn't go
00:10:35.640 around the world killing thousands of people like the virus has. Still sanctions, and more importantly,
00:10:40.680 turning them into a pariah state. Can we learn from that? I mean, isn't China a pariah state?
00:10:45.480 And the Communist Party is, by the way, heartily racist in their words and deeds. Ethnic cleansing
00:10:51.960 in Tibet, imprisonment of Uyghur Muslims, murders of Falun Gong, abuse of Christians, just to name a few.
00:10:59.000 Shouldn't we treat them like South Africa? Should we even treat them like Nazis? I mean,
00:11:02.120 Mao Zedong did kill between 50 and 80 million souls. I've seen estimates as high as 85 million dead.
00:11:08.840 That's more than Hitler killed. But Hitler attacked the world. Mao murdered his own people, mainly. No,
00:11:15.880 I don't think going to war is the answer. I think the best stance is to take a Cold War approach.
00:11:23.720 China, like the old Soviet Union, is large and nuclear-armed. You can't attack it. You can't
00:11:28.920 ignore it, but you can denormalize it, speak truth to power about it, and make sure you are never
00:11:34.280 dependent on it. We can undo favors to it. We can recognize Taiwan as an independent country,
00:11:40.360 something to our deep discredit that hasn't been done by the free world in a generation.
00:11:44.520 We can encourage our companies to leave China, preferably to come back home,
00:11:49.240 but at least somewhere else. Japan is even offering to pay its companies to get out. That's a good idea.
00:11:54.920 It's cheaper than the alternative, isn't it? And address the reasons why companies went there in the
00:11:58.840 place. A factory is a factory. It's capital-intensive, high-tech machines. Was it something else that
00:12:04.440 drove factories to China besides just cheap labor? Maybe too much red tape here at home? Too much
00:12:09.000 hassle? I don't know, but let's bring our factories home with carrots. It's possible what Japan is doing,
00:12:15.320 but with sticks too. Tariffs on anything made in China. And use that money from the tariffs to help
00:12:20.520 pay for the reshoring of companies that do come back. Do you really like the fact that we are held
00:12:25.080 hostage by China for most of our medicines? It's made in China. For medical equipment? I don't
00:12:30.600 like that one bit. I think we have to clean out China's influence in global institutions too, or
00:12:35.880 since that is likely impossible, simply create new institutions for democracies only.
00:12:41.000 Why does China have a veto at the UN Security Council? Why is China on the UN's Human Rights
00:12:46.520 Commission and other commissions like that? Why does China, the virus infector, run the World Health
00:12:52.040 Organization? Why ask why? Why not just do what Trump is musing about doing and just defund them?
00:12:56.920 We want to look into a World Health Organization because they really are, they called it wrong.
00:13:04.440 They call it wrong. They really, they missed the call. They could have called it months earlier.
00:13:10.280 They would have known, and they should have known, and they probably did know. So we'll
00:13:16.280 be looking into that very carefully, and we're going to put a hold on money spent to the WHO. We're
00:13:23.960 going to put a very powerful hold on it, and we're going to see. It's a great thing if it works,
00:13:29.320 but when they call every shot wrong, that's no good. Defund them, and how about starting new
00:13:33.960 institutions for liberal democracies? Not useless talk shops that simply demonize democracies and run
00:13:39.960 cover for dictatorships. Let the UN move its headquarters to Wuhan and give a new democratic
00:13:47.800 institution its office space in New York. And let's do what Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher
00:13:52.760 and Pope John Paul II did to the Soviet Union. Let's speak truth to power. Let's call them out all the
00:13:58.520 time. Let's denormalize them, and let's quietly support dissidents. Reagan and the West supported the
00:14:04.840 Polish solidarity labor union that helped undo the Soviet Union, Lech Walesa. Obviously, the Pope
00:14:12.920 himself visited Poland and had a massive outdoor mass, more than a million Poles, and he told them,
00:14:19.000 be not afraid. And so they weren't afraid anymore. Let's do that sort of thing to China. Let's unhook
00:14:24.840 ourselves from China industrially, financially. Let's root them out. Let's send home many of the 100,000
00:14:32.360 Chinese nationals at our Canadian universities. Let Canadian kids into those college spaces and stop
00:14:38.120 the massive technology transfer and outright industrial espionage conducted by some of that
00:14:43.720 group. But not all of those Chinese students are bad people. Of course not. Again, this isn't a war
00:14:49.000 against the Chinese people. But the 100,000 Chinese elites who are going to our schools, they're not
00:14:54.600 regular random Chinese people. They're the sons and daughters of privilege, the children of Communist
00:15:00.360 Party officials in many cases. Why are they here anymore? As we've shown you, too many of these
00:15:08.200 students have in fact stolen Canadian industrial secrets, including virus secrets, as happened just
00:15:14.440 last year. The police had to get involved. Sorry, this is hard to do because we've gone so far the wrong way.
00:15:20.760 So much of our lives is made in China. Our computers are made in China. Our cell phones are made in China.
00:15:26.680 Half the junk at Walmart and Canadian Tire is made in China. Our medicines are made in China.
00:15:32.600 But you know, our pandemic was made in China, too. And so was the cover-up. It was made in China.
00:15:39.320 The danger still comes from China. Let's at least start acting like it. And maybe one day,
00:15:44.760 like Poland, the Chinese people will be free. Stay with us for more.
00:15:56.680 Welcome back. Well, the other day, we had an interesting interview with Sam Goldstein. As you
00:16:07.880 know, he's a bencher, which is a very senior lawyer in Ontario. He's a civil libertarian,
00:16:14.360 and he's a criminal lawyer by profession. And he took us through some of the emergency powers that both
00:16:20.280 the federal government, provincial governments, and even city governments have in dealing with the
00:16:25.000 pandemic. One of the things that I found slightly reassuring from that conversation, it felt like a
00:16:31.160 professorial class in university. Sam was a very good explicator of things. One of the things I
00:16:38.360 found reassuring was that in the various emergency provisions we talked about, there were time limits.
00:16:45.160 There were mechanisms by which even opposition MPs or senators could force parliament to return to
00:16:52.200 reconsider things. There were also oversight provisions for the governor general or the
00:16:57.560 lieutenant governors of provinces. And finally, there was a reporting requirement that after a
00:17:04.360 state of emergency, the government had to sort of justify its actions. Now, of course, all of those
00:17:09.240 things don't stop abuses. And one of the things that Sam emphasized was that if there is an abuse,
00:17:15.880 it would likely only be remedied later on, not in the emergency itself. But still,
00:17:21.320 he gave me some reassurance in our conversation. So it was with great interest that I took a phone
00:17:27.400 call from our friend John Carpe of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, who told me
00:17:32.280 that he was alarmed by emergency powers proposed by the government of Alberta, led by Jason Kenney,
00:17:40.760 who of course is conservative in nature. And from what I know of Jason, a respecter of civil liberties in
00:17:48.120 general. I think it's also fair to say that Alberta has had one of the better responses
00:17:54.360 to the pandemic, or at least more effective. But I said to John, let's come on the show and let's talk
00:18:00.280 about your concerns about Alberta's Bill 10. You can see on the Justice Center for Constitutional
00:18:09.560 Freedom's website, the headline given to the bill by John's team is, Alberta government gives itself
00:18:16.120 sweeping new powers to create new laws without legislative assembly approval. And joining us now
00:18:22.840 via Skype from Calgary is our friend John Carpe. John, great to see you again. Tell me some of the
00:18:31.240 details about Bill 10. What are the elements of it that you find troublesome from a democratic or civil
00:18:39.880 liberties point of view? Well, it was rushed through the legislature in less than 48 hours. It was
00:18:47.320 introduced by Health Minister Tyler Shandro on March 31. And by April the second, it had passed second
00:18:56.520 reading and third reading and is now in force. And the provision that's most concerning is a new power
00:19:05.240 given to cabinet ministers to create laws, write laws, but without consultation, without the approval,
00:19:15.880 or even the debate or the input of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta. Now, this adds to there was
00:19:23.160 previously already under the Public Health Act, the ministers had power to suspend laws, which is,
00:19:31.400 you know, pretty drastic, but you know, could be necessary. For example, if you had a Motor Vehicles
00:19:37.800 Act provision that says you cannot have a bunch of large trucks that are hogging the highway in an
00:19:44.920 emergency. You could say, well, we're going to suspend that provision of the Motor Vehicle Act,
00:19:50.040 and we're going to allow, you know, a bunch of large trucks to drive side by side and monopolize the
00:19:54.920 highway. So you could suspend certain provisions of certain laws. What Jason Kenney's government did
00:20:03.800 March 31st to April 2nd was to add on to that a new power to create laws that cabinet ministers now have
00:20:14.600 during the public health emergency. Okay, so let's be clear here. I don't have a text of the law in
00:20:19.880 front of me, and maybe you could refer to actual wording that causes you concern. One of the things
00:20:23.960 that Sam, and I'm using him as the baseline, because I felt like he gave sort of an overview of emergency
00:20:30.840 powers that were temporary in nature. And he started by saying that this is ancient, even ancient Rome,
00:20:36.840 put in power someone they called the tyrant who could rule. And they were lucky in that after the
00:20:46.120 tyrant ruled for two years, he said, all right, I'm done. I'm going to go back to being a farmer,
00:20:50.120 and you, you know, the Senate can take over. Are the laws you referred to, not just the suspension
00:20:57.160 of existing laws, but the creation of new laws, are they temporary in nature? So when you say a new law,
00:21:04.680 like there's, there's dozens of laws, the, you know, you mentioned the Highway Traffic Act,
00:21:12.360 those laws are enduring. And during an emergency, they can be suspended. But then after the emergency,
00:21:18.520 they revert back, are these laws that you say can be created unilaterally by fiat, are they also
00:21:28.200 time-limited in nature, or do they endure beyond the emergency?
00:21:33.560 Yes, they are time-limited, which is good. The, the orders would expire and the laws would expire
00:21:40.600 depending on whether it was a public health emergency or a pandemic influenza. These powers would expire
00:21:47.080 after 30 or 60 days, and they can be renewed by the provincial cabinet, but that's also time-limited.
00:21:54.440 Where the challenge is, is that the, the, the law does not stop the government from renewing
00:22:03.720 the public health emergency on and on and on. So a public health emergency is supposed to be 30 days,
00:22:09.480 and then, you know, we're, we're back to normal, but the government could renew that 30-day period
00:22:16.600 over and over and over and over and over again, because there's nothing in the legislation that
00:22:22.280 stops the government from doing that. So that's a concern.
00:22:25.640 Right. And again, I don't mean to, it would have been interesting to have Sam Goldstein in on this
00:22:30.680 conversation because he really has gone deep on this subject. And, and that was one of the things
00:22:35.720 that we talked about. I'm sorry to sort of try and echo what he said. I'm obviously not as well-briefed
00:22:41.240 on it as, as he is, but you know, it is a fact that sometimes emergencies do last longer than 30
00:22:49.640 days or 60 days. One of the things I found, as I mentioned, reassuring in his description of at
00:22:55.160 least, I think it was the federal emergency power, was that if you had, I think it was 10 senators or,
00:23:01.560 or, or 20 MPs, or maybe it was the, it was a low number like that of opposition MPs, they could at least
00:23:07.240 force a review, a gut check, which I found somewhat comforting because even if, even if the loyalists
00:23:16.680 around the prime minister said, no, this is fine, the opposition still had that special power. Is that
00:23:24.040 there in the provincial legislation? Because look, I am as alert to civil liberties issues as you are,
00:23:31.960 I think. Maybe not quite, because it's all you do for a living. But if there was a way that even,
00:23:38.920 let's say, Rachel Notley, the socialist NDP opposition leader in Alberta with whom I disagree
00:23:45.000 on nearly everything, if I knew that she had a similar power to at least once in a while pull
00:23:52.760 the legislature back to have a vote or an affirmation that, yeah, the emergency continues,
00:23:58.840 I would find that somewhat reassuring. Does that exist provincially here?
00:24:05.000 Not to my knowledge, but I do need to double check whether we have those provisions provincially.
00:24:11.320 So I'd like to, I'd like to look into that and get back to you if I can.
00:24:14.760 Sure. And, and again, I'm not trying to put you on the spot. We're all learning about these
00:24:19.480 rarely used powers together. Sam was telling us about how some of these powers have only been used
00:24:26.280 three times in Canadian history, both World Wars and the FLQ crisis pretty much 50, almost 50 years
00:24:34.760 ago in Quebec. So these are not normal times and normal laws. I think you're wise to be alert to
00:24:41.800 these things, John, because it's in these times of crisis that by nature politicians, bureaucrats, police
00:24:50.040 seize ground that they could not get in normal times. And it's often a ratchet effect. That is,
00:24:58.600 once these infringements are there, you never get rid of them. I mean, the income tax itself was just
00:25:04.680 till we get through this great war. Well, it's been more than a century. Tell me if there's been any use
00:25:11.160 of this power. Well, I guess it's still a bill. Has there been any, when, when there was these,
00:25:18.680 the debate in the legislature to rush this through, was there any suggestion by the government of what
00:25:25.640 they might use this power to do? No, and that's disconcerting. Now, so far, to my knowledge, the
00:25:32.200 government has not used these, these new powers yet. But the only thing that was stated by, you know,
00:25:38.680 first by the health minister, Tyler Chandro, and I, I read through the Hansard and as well as another
00:25:45.640 cabinet minister was, you know, this is to better look after the health and safety. This is to better
00:25:54.520 protect Albertans and protect the health and safety of Albertans. Just those platitudes were the only
00:26:02.520 justification that was put forward. I would actually have more confidence in, in Jason
00:26:08.360 Kenny's government in pushing this bill through, if they said, well, look, here's an example or two
00:26:14.040 or three examples of why or how a cabinet minister might need to create a new law on the fly or create
00:26:21.720 a new offence. That's the other thing. The cabinet, a cabinet minister can single-handedly, without any
00:26:28.200 legislative review by the legislative assembly, can create new offences. Now, they cannot be retroactive,
00:26:34.360 but he can say, well, it's, it's an offence to, to walk outside, unless you're on, you know, a special
00:26:43.400 government approved list of people who are allowed to go outside. The fines and penalties are draconian
00:26:49.240 as well. They were already a maximum fine of $2,000 for first offence for disobeying the Public Health Act.
00:26:57.000 That's been jumped up to $100,000 that you can be fined for disobeying the Public Health Act.
00:27:03.800 And on a subsequent offence, $500,000 fines. So that's, that's pretty serious as well.
00:27:13.080 Yeah. And again, I, I don't want to want to continuously reach back to what Sam Goldstein
00:27:18.280 told us last week, but it is my only source of knowledge on this subject, John. So forgive me for
00:27:23.800 doing that. And I'm sure that Sam, if he would be watching this, would cringe that I'm not getting
00:27:28.440 it just perfectly. But one of the things he told me is that even in these emergency laws,
00:27:34.520 while you're, you're obviously correct, and this bill clearly, the way you describe it clearly says
00:27:41.400 the, the democratic machinery is eliminated. The laws just come into existence without the typical,
00:27:48.280 you know, first reading, second reading, committee hearings, third reading, vote, etc.
00:27:53.640 So the laws are created undemocratically, at least in, in contrast to our normal processes.
00:28:01.480 They still must be implemented in accordance with the Charter of Rights principles. So,
00:28:09.160 you mentioned banning people from walking on the street. And I think that is something that we
00:28:16.360 probably will see in some form, but there would be some requirement that it be the least intrusive
00:28:25.960 measure that makes sense, that it's, that it does make sense, that there's some pressing need,
00:28:32.120 and that while perhaps some rule against reopening a theater might survive that test,
00:28:39.320 some rule against walking by yourself in the countryside might not meet the test. Again,
00:28:46.200 I'm not, I'm certainly not presenting myself as a defender of Bill 10. I actually haven't even read
00:28:52.120 the bill. And I'm not certainly defending my, putting myself forward as a defender of Jason Kenney's
00:28:57.480 government. I'm just, I'm just trying to find out the four corners of what's going on here.
00:29:03.240 And if this is in fact, just the Alberta example of what's being done in every province, territory,
00:29:08.520 and the federal government, because I think the whole country is acting under some sort of emergency
00:29:14.520 legislation right now. Well, there's a, the charter does apply, which is good. And the courts are largely
00:29:23.160 shut down, but they supposedly are entertaining emergency applications. So, you know, our, our organization,
00:29:32.600 the justice center, for example, if, if we felt that there was an egregious and unnecessary,
00:29:39.320 unreasonable, unjustified violation of charter freedoms, we would, you know, fax file or e-file,
00:29:47.000 and we would hope that the courts would look at that as, as an emergency and choose to hear it.
00:29:52.840 But we're not, you know, we're not trigger happy. We understand that there, there can be temporary
00:30:00.280 violations of charter freedoms. I mean, your mobility rights, your freedom of association,
00:30:06.680 freedom of peaceful assembly, some restrictions on your freedom of religion, restrictions on your
00:30:13.240 right to liberty and security of the person. Some restrictions on a temporary basis, you know,
00:30:20.040 can be justified. And, but we're just watching very closely to make sure that the no line is crossed,
00:30:28.280 where it really becomes irrational, unreasonable type of a law or order. You know, I find it
00:30:37.240 disconcerting that you hear media reports about people getting tickets for being alone in a park,
00:30:43.640 or they're, they're with their own child in a park. British Columbia is shutting down all parks
00:30:50.200 over Easter. And it's like, why can't we just do social distancing in a public park? Why does it have
00:30:55.480 to be shut down entirely? So, you know, we have to be very vigilant and like the temporary income tax
00:31:02.840 that's now a century old, we have to push very, very hard after this emergency is over to, to make
00:31:10.440 sure we get all of our rights and freedoms back in full. Yeah. I mean, listen, I, I agree with you
00:31:16.360 that we are in a dangerous time. Uh, the city of Ottawa, it has banned people sitting by themselves
00:31:25.800 on park benches. What is the possible like that? There's just no medical, there's no scientific,
00:31:33.640 but that's just, that's just a bully, uh, using his emergency powers for some, like sitting on a
00:31:41.240 park bench by yourself. Um, I, that doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe shutting down a, um, you know,
00:31:49.880 a, a, a dance club, nightclub, hot, sweaty, everyone breathing in one small place where you would
00:31:56.760 probably share a lot of germs, I guess. Everybody's speaking, speaking moistly as our prime minister would say.
00:32:02.360 Um, well, listen, let me say this. I think that what you're talking about, and I have not gone
00:32:08.520 through bill 10 is, is a version of what every province and federal government is doing. Uh,
00:32:14.600 now maybe what you're saying is this goes beyond the existing emergency legislation in the province.
00:32:20.040 And I accept your, uh, view on that, if that's what you're saying.
00:32:24.600 The difference, if I can just interject for a second, the difference is that we've, we've moved
00:32:29.320 in Alberta from the temporary power of cabinet ministers to suspend the operation of certain laws.
00:32:35.720 So temporarily you can say that, you know, section 27.9 of the employment standards code
00:32:41.640 doesn't apply or section 285 of the motor vehicle act doesn't apply. So temporary suspension. What's
00:32:48.520 different here is that Jason Kenney's government has taken for itself a power to actually write new
00:32:55.160 laws and create new offenses. That's the distinction, uh, that makes this unique in Canada. As far as I
00:33:02.200 know, there's no other province that has, uh, passed legislation to, uh, to give cabinet ministers
00:33:09.000 the power to write laws on the fly, on the spur of the moment.
00:33:12.280 Well, listen, and whether or not other provinces were doing it is not the test of whether or not
00:33:17.160 it's right. Uh, every province might be making the same mistake together. Um, although it is an
00:33:22.440 indication whether or not this is quote normal. Well, let me close on this, John. I mean, we've,
00:33:27.240 you've been probably one of our most frequent guests over the years at rebel news. And although we
00:33:31.720 haven't done so, uh, in the past few months in the past, we have worked with you, uh, to even crowdfund some
00:33:41.240 legal defense for people who have been mistreated typically by the state. Uh, if you come across a
00:33:49.480 case of someone sitting on a park bench and getting a ticket or someone out for a walking their dog
00:33:56.520 getting a ticket. And if that, uh, if you see an abuse of the law like that, we would love to be
00:34:04.040 involved in two ways. Not only number one, what we like to do around here, crowdfund to help cover
00:34:10.440 your costs because justice center for constitutional freedom is a nonprofit. So we got to help you out
00:34:15.080 your charity. But number two, to shine the light of public scrutiny on it, to hopefully dissuade
00:34:22.840 other cops or health cops who were worse, like at least a cop with a gun. Uh, a lot of his training
00:34:30.680 is on self restraint because he's got the ultimate power to kill theoretically. So a lot of police
00:34:37.960 training is don't overreact. Don't shoot someone just because they swear at you. Don't, don't, don't.
00:34:44.440 I would frankly trust a cop with a gun to limit himself more than a public health bureaucrat who's
00:34:53.160 just trying out his new powers. And you know, it's this high priestly class now that can simply
00:34:59.960 issue demands and commands. I'm actually more worried about the health cops than the cops cops.
00:35:05.720 Uh, so if you find a case like that, we would love to make an example out of it as a warning to other
00:35:13.000 authorities, don't do that. So keep your eyes peeled, John. And if you find a particular case where this
00:35:19.240 comes true in a bad way, let us know. I will let you know. And can I, can I just one important
00:35:25.480 piece of information? If you get a ticket that you think is unfair, something ridiculous, like you're
00:35:31.800 out in a public park, you know, with, with your, with your kids and just minding your own business
00:35:37.240 and getting some fresh air and you get a ticket, be sure to plead not guilty and force a trial.
00:35:43.160 And in a lot of cases, the crown prosecutors who are trained lawyers and, you know, more,
00:35:49.000 maybe, uh, certainly have a better knowledge of the law than, than, uh, the, the people issuing
00:35:53.800 tickets in a lot of cases, the crown prosecutors will withdraw the charges. So there's some important
00:35:59.080 free legal advice for, uh, listeners and viewers of the rebel is if, if you get a ticket that you think
00:36:04.360 is unfair, uh, don't pay it, plead not guilty and set a trial date and, uh, you know, protect yourself
00:36:11.960 that way. You know, and my last reference to my interesting talk with Sam Goldstein the other
00:36:16.520 day, he, in his own family, he had two instances. His, I think his niece, he said, uh, was accosted
00:36:22.760 just for being on the sidewalk. Look, I think looking at her phone or something, no reason at all. Just
00:36:28.200 a cop said, what are you doing? And Sam himself was walking his dog and some bylaw officer started
00:36:34.680 pestering him. He, he's a sophisticated lawyer. So he knew he didn't even have to stop and talk to this
00:36:40.280 pest. But, uh, I think the ordinary Canadian is still deferential to authority, which is probably
00:36:47.000 a good thing. Uh, we trust authority. It's probably a good thing. Um, and we're all trying to figure
00:36:54.440 out this pandemic together. What, what are the do's and don'ts? So I, I think that Canadians by nature
00:37:01.240 would say, oh, sorry. Uh, and sometimes that's the right answer, but other times you have to push back.
00:37:07.480 And I am worried that in the longterm, the abuses by public health authorities will do more damage
00:37:14.840 to our society than the actual virus itself. Um, I hope that doesn't come true, but that's a
00:37:20.040 worry. Last word to you, John. The, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. So we need to, uh,
00:37:29.160 watch the politicians closely and carefully. And when there is ridiculous and unjustified government
00:37:34.600 action, uh, we need to speak up and fight back even when there's a pandemic in place.
00:37:41.320 All right. Well, John, if any, uh, examples of government abuse come to your attention,
00:37:48.120 let us know whether it's in Alberta or anywhere else in the country. Frankly,
00:37:51.960 uh, um, although this bill is Albertan, it would not surprise me if the greatest abuses came from other
00:37:57.800 jurisdictions that are less freedom oriented than Alberta. Thanks for your time, my friend.
00:38:04.600 Thank you.
00:38:05.480 All right. There you have it. John Carpe. He's the boss of the Justice Center for Constitutional
00:38:09.800 Freedoms. He joined us via Skype from Calgary. Stay with us more ahead.
00:38:14.440 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about a media party poll calling for more subsidies. Frank
00:38:28.360 writes, how the national post has fallen. I loved it under Conrad Black. If the media did good
00:38:33.400 journalism, they would not need a bailout. Think of Rush Limbaugh, Mark Stein and yourself. Well,
00:38:38.120 thank you for including us in that list of great journalists. Um, there is more journalism in the
00:38:42.920 world than ever right now. Just so much of it is done by citizen journalists. It's a joke to call
00:38:48.840 journalism a profession, uh, because that implies that it's like a priesthood and you have secret
00:38:54.200 codes and no, no, no. Journalism, look at the root of the word. It comes from the word journal. It comes
00:38:59.320 from the word jour, the day. Did you write about the day? Tell me about your day. You don't need to be
00:39:04.040 a professional to tell about the day. And so each of us has become a publisher on Facebook. Each of us
00:39:10.520 has become a broadcaster on YouTube. And you know what's so funny? As all these legacy media companies
00:39:16.680 make their talent work from home, whether it's the late night talk show hosts like Jimmy Fallon or the
00:39:23.800 daytime talk show hosts like Ellen DeGeneres or newscasters like Chris Cuomo on CNN, they're
00:39:30.600 broadcasting out of their own basements on a cheap camera with bad lighting too. They don't have
00:39:37.160 makeup artists. They don't have audiences there with laugh tracks. So really, can you tell me the
00:39:44.760 difference anymore between a fancy journalist who's working from home and an unfancy journalist
00:39:51.240 who's working from home? There is no difference. There's more journalism now than ever. What irritates
00:39:56.520 that professional journalist is that the competitors are people like you and me.
00:40:00.920 Brandon writes, journalists are basically just activists. They talk about issues that no one
00:40:06.600 cares about, like climate change and other leftist talking points. Yeah, I think a lot of journalists
00:40:11.640 are activists. Obviously, there's an exception to this everywhere. There are genuinely interesting
00:40:17.320 journalists out there. One recommendation I saw about a month ago that would have been so useful,
00:40:22.520 especially in the Trump press conferences where it's just pure gotcha all day long,
00:40:27.000 is if these media companies, instead of sending their gotcha journalists like CNN's Jim Acosta,
00:40:33.720 for example, what if they had sent their science writers? Like someone who actually had a little
00:40:40.520 bit of knowledge about science and wasn't obsessed every day with gotcha partisanship. I think that
00:40:47.160 would have been more useful. But it just goes to show that I don't really think journalists have done a
00:40:54.360 good job in covering this pandemic in Canada. Our journalists are very complacent and haven't asked
00:40:59.560 Trudeau any tough questions. But you are correct to note that, you know, Greta Thunberg isn't exactly
00:41:06.120 important anymore and gender studies isn't exactly important anymore. When things are in extreme times,
00:41:13.480 people don't care about those leftist luxuries. Caitlin writes, Trudeau already gave the media 600
00:41:19.640 million in bailouts. No more. Oh, yes, there will be a lot more. And I can tell you how to time it.
00:41:29.560 The worse Trudeau does in the polls, the more he has gaffes, expect more waves of bailouts. So if he
00:41:36.520 starts to tank in the polls because of the looming recession, expect a lot more bailouts to his fan base,
00:41:42.920 journalists. All right, that's the show for today. Until tomorrow, where we have a special presentation
00:41:47.960 of that Epoch Times investigative documentary. From all of us here at World Headquarters,
00:41:52.280 see you at home. Good night. Stay healthy and keep fighting for freedom.