The China Files Go Viral
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Hello, my rebels. Today I give you a recap of the day after we released our top secret Canadian
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military documents showing the close participation between the Canadian Armed Forces
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and China's People's Liberation Army. It's interesting, the political reaction,
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even more the media reaction, who's upset about this and who couldn't care less.
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I'll also tell you how we're trying to talk to the Conservative Party about the subject,
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Tonight, the China Files go viral. It's December 10th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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Well, there's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody
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Well, I'm going today with just some written notes on a piece of paper. It's been another
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incredibly busy day. We're talking about the China Files. What are those? Well, we have a
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little website called thechinaphiles.com where you can see for yourself 34 pages of secret
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Canadian military documents. I say they're secret because they are marked secret, and they were
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supposed to be blacked out before being sent to us, but for whatever reason, they weren't blacked out.
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They were just grayed out. They're completely readable, and in fact, the gray parts are what
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the government obviously thinks are the most interesting parts. Was this an accident, or was
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this someone inside the government trying to get information out? Don't laugh. We know in the past
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when damaging information about Justin Trudeau has been released to the CBC or CTV or Global,
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they sit on it. Anyone who gave us information would be sure we would publish it in the public
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interest. I'll give you the example of the Trudeau blackface photos that every journalist in Ottawa
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seemed to have a copy of, but they didn't publish until an American source did so. So we published the
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China Files, and if you haven't read them yet, I encourage you to do so. All 34 pages are available
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at thechinaphiles.com. And if you're a little bit daunted, let me invite you to read the first two
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pages and the last two pages. They're the easiest to understand. The first two pages are just the
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calendar of the activities of the Chinese embassy in Beijing. You can see that even after China
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kidnapped two Canadian hostages, Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig, it was business as usual.
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Cabinet ministers like Catherine McKenna jetting in for global warming parties. The Canadian Armed Forces
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sending nearly 200 troops to a propaganda exercise in China, it was like nothing had changed after the
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kidnapping. The second part that's easy to understand and even more infuriating is the last
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two pages of the document where you can see a list of all of the Canadian Armed Forces, People's Liberation
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Army joint events, joint exercises, military exchanges. The big news yesterday was that Trudeau
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did not want the military to cancel a winter warfare training session at CFB Petawawa in Ontario.
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That's what started the whole battle within the military. The military didn't want to train
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the Chinese at CFB Petawawa. The Trudeau side did and they had a battle about it. In the end,
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as far as we know, that event was canceled. But as you can see in those last two pages,
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there were 18 events. So at worst, only one was canceled and 17 more proceeded. Why are we training
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one and two star Chinese generals at our military colleges in Ontario? It's an incredible question,
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I think. Other people seem to think it's incredible too. As you can see, our website was visited hundreds
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of thousands of times. And over 100,000 people watched our video on YouTube alone, plus many
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more in other places like Twitter and Facebook. It's clearly the most important story we covered
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of the year, maybe ever in the history of Rebel News. It feels that way to me. I'm very pleased
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that the National Post and the Globe and Mail also covered the story. The Globe did some deep reporting
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on it and did a very lengthy report in today's newspaper. The National Post sort of copied
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a little bit of what the Globe did, a little bit of what we did. And that's fine. I don't believe
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that we should own this story. It's in the public interest. That's why we put the entire primary
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document, 34 pages on the internet. We want other journalists to carry it. Now, as far as I know,
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at the time I'm recording this, the CDC has not said a word about it. Isn't that strange?
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Anything leaks in the U.S. government that embarrasses Donald Trump, that's top of the
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news for the CBC in Canada. And it doesn't have anything to do with us. But 34 pages about this
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battle over China in our military? CBC doesn't care. Americans seem to care. They seem a little
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unnerved at the idea that their northern neighbor, who they have helped defend throughout the Cold War
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and the War on Terror. Their NORAD ally, their NATO ally, wants to train Chinese soldiers in Canadian
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bases. You can see that Breitbart.com did a huge story on it. Theblaze.com, that's Glenn Beck's
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project. Many other American websites wrote big pieces on it and linked to the primary documents.
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Here in Canada, less so. I mentioned the Globe and the Post touched it. I was interviewed on the radio
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by John Gormley today. But generally, it's been foreigners who seem to care more than the Canadian
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press gallery. And I'll give you this as an example. This morning, Aaron O'Toole, the leader of the
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Conservative opposition, had a press conference at 9 a.m. Eastern time on Parliament Hill. He invited all the
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media, either in person or via phone call to participate. He made a brief statement about the
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documents. I was pretty excited. I was following along because they were our documents. Six
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journalists were chosen to ask questions. I'm not sure how they were chosen. I presume it's the
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press gallery because two CBC reporters were chosen. Two Canadian press reporters were chosen.
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Half the questions were in French. So I don't think it was a random selection.
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But not one single question at a press conference about these documents, the day after the documents
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were released, not one single question mentioned the documents. The reporters were incurious. They
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support the Chinese government's position. Even if they support the Chinese government's position,
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wouldn't they at least ask about the documents? None of them did. There were two questions put to
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Aaron O'Toole about his criticism of China, but they were in the form of scolding him. One question
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said, well, what about all our business opportunities? It was more a lobbying question for China. And then
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this question, which sounded like a scold saying, hey, if you talk mean to Xi Jinping, he'll do bad
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things to the two hostages. I'm not sure what he could do worse than holding them in prison for two
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years. Take a look at this. This was how the, there was only two out of six questions that mentioned
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China. None mentioned the records that we released yesterday. And here's a typical question from
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Thank you. Merci. The next question, la prochaine question is from Cormac McSweeney, CD News. Please go ahead.
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Yes, Mr. O'Toole. I just wanted to ask you a question that you were asked earlier in French, but I want to get
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to on it in English. What would you have done differently to deal with China that would have left Canada in a
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better situation than it is now in terms of the Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor case?
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I would have been dealing with China with eyes wide open from day one. Mr. Trudeau has been dangerously naive.
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Those are words of some of our former diplomats who've said that, and his close associations with
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fundraising, the transition team, has him out of step with the reality of China. Even two years ago,
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when the two Michaels were first taken hostage, he called them regular consular cases. We knew that
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these weren't regular consular cases. We knew that this was diplomatic hostage taking, and we said that
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should have been taken more seriously from the start. We remember his minister, his hand-picked
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Mr. McCallum, contradicting himself, also trying to kowtow to Beijing. We would have looked to work
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with the United States and other countries on a Magnitsky sanction approach. We want to resolve
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disputes with China, but we have to show we're serious. We're willing to stand up for our citizens
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and our values. And just as a follow-up, I want to get your direct reaction to the news this morning
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that officials in Beijing have said that Michael Kobrig and Michael Spavor have already been indicted
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and tried. And then just as a follow-up to your answer there, don't you think that sanctions at a
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time like this would put them at even greater risk, given the situation that Kobrig and Spavor are in?
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No. Two years of inaction and kowtowing by the Trudeau government has led to, as you said,
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Cormac, the trial. There is no justice system in China. The show trial, the indictment of two
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citizens, a weak and timid approach has failed. It is time to work with our allies and show that we're
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going to have a more serious approach with respect to Beijing. I know that that will have a more
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serious impact than the two years of waffling under Mr. Trudeau. Beijing thinks the Trudeau
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government is weak and he proves them right at every step. So working with countries like Australia,
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who has more at risk with respect to China and the United States, we must show a united front of
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democratic countries that will say this type of conduct in terms of diplomatic hostage-taking,
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in terms of the police state in Hong Kong, with respect to the internment of Uyghurs on the cover of
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the Globe and Mail today. We cannot turn a blind eye to the reality of communist China. It's time for
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Prime Minister Trudeau to wake up. Yeah, I think Canadian journalists are that incurious. They're that
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tamed and trained. That's what happens when you slosh about $600 million to the newspapers and $1.5
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billion to the CBC. They're house pets. They're house pets. They're not curious. Well, today in
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question period, the Conservatives continued on the file. Of course, it's the two-year anniversary of the
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kidnapping of the two Michaels. The Conservative Party asked Chrystia Freeland questions about that.
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She had no good answer. But then James Bazan, a Conservative MP who's on the military file, asked
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Harjeet Sajjan about the winter weather training that our U.S. allies and others complained about.
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I want to show you the full exchange. Take a look at this. It'd be great, Mr. Speaker, if the
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minister would actually answer the question. Yesterday, top-secret government documents revealed
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that this Liberal government was a raid when our Chief of Defence Staff stopped Communist Chinese
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troops from receiving winter warfare training on Canadian soil with our soldiers. Even after
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acknowledging there were national security concerns raised by our Five Eye partners, the Liberal
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government said there's still a desire to maintain an ongoing relationship with China. Why is the
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Prime Minister bowing to the Chinese Communist regime and turning his back on our closest allies?
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Mr. Speaker, our government will always stand up for Canadians at home and abroad, and this includes
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our relationship with China. And let me be very clear, we do not train with the Chinese military.
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But I understand the member's concern, Mr. Speaker, because it was a previous government that actually
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signed a cooperation plan initiative in 2013 under Rob Nicholson when he was the Minister of National
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Defence, and that member was a Parliamentary Secretary of Defence at that time. Thank you.
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The Honourable Member for Selkirk, Interlake Eastman.
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Mr. Speaker, the Defence Minister knows full well that the Chinese government back then to the
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Chinese government today is completely different, and Canadians are shocked and outraged by the Prime
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Minister cozying up to the regime in Beijing. That's his own, that even the Defence Minister accurately
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described as being engaged in hostage diplomacy. We already know the Prime Minister naively admires the
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Communist dictatorship and now wants to train Chinese troops at Garrison Petawawa so that they can learn
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tactics that our five allies warned would cause a dangerous transfer of military knowledge. It is
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sickening that the Prime Minister has complete disregard for our armed forces, our national security,
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and our democratic way of life. The Honourable Minister. Mr. Speaker, because of the agreement that
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they had signed, this is one of the reasons why we actually changed our approach, because of the
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concerns that the member outlined, Mr. Speaker, because we will always stand up for two Canadians
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who are arbitrarily detained. This is one of the reasons why we actually stopped our training with
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the Chinese, Mr. Speaker, and this is exactly what we're doing. And I would ask the member right
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now to stop turning this into a political issue, because that's exactly the steps that we have taken.
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Well, that looks pretty convincing, doesn't it? But if you're one of the hundreds of thousands of people who
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have looked at the China files or watched the video, you'll know it was a lie. Stephen Harper did
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not invite the Chinese spies to Canada for winter warfare training. Here's a tweet from the Canadian
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Army about two years ago showing winter warfare training, a joint exercise between the Canadian
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forces and the Chinese in China two years ago. And it was two years ago, according to this tweet,
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that the invitation was made by the Liberal government to the People's Liberation Army to do
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it again next year at CFB Petawawa. It's right on there where they were going to do it. That would
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be quite a feat for Stephen Harper, who left office in 2015 to make an invitation to China three years
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later in 2018. It wasn't Harper who did it. It was Harjit Sajjan and Justin Trudeau. And it's a little bit
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outrageous for Sajjan to take credit for canceling it. When in fact, as we saw in the records, it was
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the Liberal government that was pressuring the military to keep it going and demanded that no
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other activities be canceled. Like I said, the very last two pages of these 34 pages in the records
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show there were 18 joint exchanges and training sessions between the People's Liberation Army and the
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Canadian Armed Forces in 2019. 18 of them. Only one was canceled over the objections of the Liberals.
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I think this is an important story. We still haven't heard from any other people on it. We
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haven't heard from the government of India that is probably wondering why we would be training China
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in how to fight in winter conditions when right now India and China are battling in the high Himalayas.
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I wonder what they say democracy activists for Tibet and the Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang. I wonder how
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they feel about this sort of training. What does the United States Department of Defense have to say?
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What does NATO have to say? I think we're going to have to be the ones who ask that question because
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if this morning's press conference is anything to go by, the media party doesn't care.
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Now, I should tell you that I personally reached out to Aaron O'Toole to interview him on the subject.
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Pretty straightforward questions. The kind of questions that he probably wished he got this
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morning instead of the scoldy questions from the media party. I also reached out twice to James
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Bazan. I'll let you know if they ever get back to me. So far, Mr. O'Toole's press secretary has said
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he's too busy. I wrote back asking if he really is too busy and that's fine. I'll talk to his critic on
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the subject. Or if this is a continuation of the wrongheaded Andrew Scheer policy of simply
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not talking to Rebel News. I don't think that worked out for Andrew Scheer. It didn't ingratiate him
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with the press gallery, with the media party who loved sticking their knives into him. And it missed
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the opportunity of Andrew Scheer revving up the conservative base, which is one of our large audiences.
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Aaron O'Toole had no success in his press conference this morning. In fact, it was a
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negative success. He was scolded by the media. If he were to come on Rebel News or one of his deputies,
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we would ask him straightforward questions. I'll tell you what one of them is right now.
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Do you think we should cancel any of the other 17 exchanges? No gotcha questions. Nothing embarrassing.
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I wonder what he'll do, but in another way, I don't really care, because I know what we'll do.
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We'll continue telling the other side of the story, doing important research, breaking massive
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international scoops, which this story is. I look forward to talking to MPs of any stripe about this
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subject, conservatives, or if a liberal even wanted to talk about it, which I would understand why they
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wouldn't. We'll continue to be the best independent source of journalism in this country, as we were
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before Aaron O'Toole and likely will be after him. I hope he comes on the show, though. Joining me now to
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talk about this is our friend Spencer Fernando.
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Welcome back. Well, as you can see in thechinafiles.com, that's where I recommend you go to read all 34
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unredacted pages. Actually, the first two pages and the last two pages are the easiest to understand. The
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first two are just a calendar for all the activities of the Beijing embassy. It shows Catherine McKenna
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flying in for a party. It shows the military games where 200 Canadian soldiers were sent to Wuhan in
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October. Very easy to make sense if it's a calendar. The last two pages are equally incredible. It's a
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list of the 18 military exchanges with the People's Liberation Army and the Canadian Armed Forces.
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One of those 18 was canceled under pressure from the Americans. The other 17
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proceeded. Well, let me read you a great headline, my favorite headline on the whole matter, and it's
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In a sane world, Trudeau wanting communist China's troops on Canadian soil would be the end of his
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political career. And joining me now via Skype from Winnipeg is Spencer Fernando. Great to see
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again. You're so right. Reading that, it just clicked. Yeah, but no one's even suggesting that.
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Not in the media, not in the opposition. Am I right?
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Yeah, it just goes to show how far I think we've gone in accepting things that are unacceptable in
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this country. And, you know, in a way, Trudeau kind of primed everybody for this right from the
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beginning, even before he was elected. You know, I bring it up every time. But we remember when he said
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that he admired China's basic dictatorship and people said, oh, he's joking or it was a dumb
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comment. Everything that we've seen since then shows that he was being quite serious about that.
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Yeah. I mean, Trudeau may have a prankster side to him, but he's not particularly funny or ironic.
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When he says something, I think he means it. When he said he admired China's basic dictatorship,
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I mean, he may have quickly realized that was a dumb thing to say, but he wasn't being funny.
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He wasn't being sarcastic. He wasn't being ironic. He actually believes that what these documents show
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is that that idea has trickled into the whole foreign affairs establishment. That's what it looks
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like to me. Yeah. And I think this goes with a lot of their instincts anyway. You know, I've said before,
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I just spoke to Carleen Nation earlier and I mentioned how, you know, we in this country,
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there's an attitude a lot of people seem to have, which is that Canada should always be subservient.
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We should always be weak. We should always give in. And they start from a point of weakness. And so
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I think, you know, that's obviously Trudeau's attitude when it comes to China. And then it's
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the attitude of much of the establishment. What's interesting though, is that that weakness for
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some reason doesn't extend to countries that actually share our values. I mean, you look at
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Trudeau, he's happy to lecture India about protesting there. He's happy to lecture the United States,
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you know, a country more powerful than China and right next to us. So it's interesting,
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they only seem afraid or cowardly when it comes to China, but when it comes to our allies,
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countries that actually share our values, they seem tougher for some reason.
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You know, that's a great point. And I should say that the idea of winter warfare training,
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who would be the possible victim of Chinese winter warfare? Well, God forbid,
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it could be Canada, the United States, but that's unlikely in the near future. But even as we speak,
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China and India are having a slow burn battle high in the mountain heights of the Himalayas. So
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that's practical military knowledge that would be transferred to fight against our friends in
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India. It's very troubling. Hey, let me ask you about something. Earlier today,
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Erin O'Toole, the Conservative Party leader, had a press conference specifically about these records.
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And I tuned in to listen. There were six questions asked, half in French, half in English. The CBC had
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two, Canadian press said two. A couple of them were about China. They were more scolding Erin O'Toole
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for suggesting we should get tough. One of the questions was something like, well, don't you know
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that's going to provoke China? They'll be even worse. But other than those that just were scolding
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O'Toole on China, not a single question, Spencer, made reference to these records. Now,
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I'm biased because it was us who got the records and us who published us. So I'm excited about that
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personal aspect. But putting that aside, it is quite staggering to have 34 secret military pages
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that show this. Help me understand why not a single member of the Ottawa Press Gallery
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Well, I think there's probably three reasons. The first, I would say, is that a lot of these companies
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are owned by big, you know, in some cases, many media companies that are owned by corporations that
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probably have interest in getting close to China, right? So that's part of it. The second reason would
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be the usual covering for Justin Trudeau, which the media has been doing for some time. And then the
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third reason is, you know, a lot of the kind of identity politics stuff where you see a lot of the
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people in the media and they think any criticism of the Chinese Communist Party is somehow racism,
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even though, of course, the first and the biggest victims of the Chinese Communist Party are people
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living in China, right? And then actually people living in Canada as well, you know, people,
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Chinese people who've come to Canada for a better life. And now they're being harassed and threatened.
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They're having their family members threatened. They're being coerced within Canada by agents of
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the Chinese Communist Party. So it's all those things together. And I think they just,
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you know, there's kind of been this attitude where people don't want us to have an enemy or don't
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want us to have a country that we oppose to that has different values. And they can't really see
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when that started to happen. They can't see that China's an adversary. They can't see that China,
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the Chinese Communist Party, their interests are directly against the interests of Canada,
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the United States, our allies, you know, countries with similar values.
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And China's a lot different than it was even, you know, four or five years ago,
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it's moving in a very concerning direction. So I think it's a mix of people who are either compromised
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or naive and just some kind of a whole bunch of those things all at once.
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Yeah. I think you're, you're right on with all three of those, the money, like the Bloomberg media,
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for example, totally invested in China, Disney, the entertainers always looking at China, the NBA,
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anyone in entertainment, anyone who wants eyeballs loves China and will shut up about politics.
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You're so right about Trudeau sympathizers. They don't want to upset
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the Young Prince and just the ethnic politics. You're spot on with those. Last I checked,
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now I haven't checked in the last hour, but the last I checked, the CBC has yet to even mention
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these records. Maybe you've seen something in the last hour or so, but the Globe and Mail ran with it
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pretty big. The National Post mentioned it. I actually did some radio in Canada. It did pop up in question,
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period. But from what I've seen, unless that's changed in the last hour, the CBC is going quiet
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about secret documents. That's got to be a first. Yeah. And I don't think people would be too surprised,
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to be honest. I mean, CBC tries to cover for Trudeau quite often and they try to cover for the
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establishment. It's not just about them being pro-Trudeau, but they're pro the kind of establishment
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that's in power in the country. So this is obviously embarrassing for the establishment to have
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this exposed and concerning. So CBC will try to either slow walk it or just not cover it at all.
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But at the end of the day, they don't get too many views to be honest. So if they don't cover it,
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most people are still going to see it anyway. Yeah. Isn't that the truth? You're just killing
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it on Twitter these days. I love following you on Twitter. You're very fast also. You're fast on the
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news, which I really appreciate. I love SpencerFernando.com. And I'd like to say to my viewers,
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and we've said this every time Spencer's on, every time our friends from True North are on,
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there are only a small number of truly independent journalists in Canada who don't take the Trudeau
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money. And so while I deeply appreciate your support for Rebel News, if you have a few extra bucks,
00:26:57.640
it's very valuable to have other voices that are independent like Spencer Fernando.
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And may I encourage you just to check out his website. Spencer, tell us before you go,
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is there anything you're working on right now? Is there something you're looking into or
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researching or covering or you just recently published you want to tell our viewers about?
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Yeah, I'll be writing more about the China story, obviously, or what Aaron O'Toole is saying,
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how the media is covering it. I think that's kind of the big story right now.
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But I think the interesting thing is going to be how Canadians react to it. There's definitely been,
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in the past, foreign policy doesn't play a big role in Canadian elections. I think that's going to
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change. You know, people who normally don't follow foreign policy, which is, I mean, most of us even,
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including myself quite often, the way China's treated our own citizens, the way they're treating
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this country. And now what Trudeau is doing, I think a lot of people are starting to wake up
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to the fact that something's seriously wrong here. So we'll see. But I think it's going to be interesting
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to see how this affects the upcoming election. Well, I hope you're right. I hope people do wake up to
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it. Spencer, great to see you. Thanks for joining us today. No problem. All right, there you have it,
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Spencer Fernando from Winnipeg, Manitoba. Stay with us. More ahead.
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Hey, welcome back. On The China Files, Brian writes, Trump was right again when he called Trudeau
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Two-Faced and Canada a security threat. Oh, I hate to say it, but you're right. What's frustrating is
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that Trudeau's views seem to have trickled down throughout the entire bureaucracy. Sharon writes,
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why wouldn't we be training the Chinese army? There are overlords. We need to teach them how to be
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more efficiently defeat us. You know, it's like that movie from the Cold War. I don't know if you
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remember it called Red Dawn, where America was invaded with Russians and Cubans. That's how it feels a little
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bit. Brett writes, and crickets from the CBC, as you predicted, Ezra. What a disgraceful media.
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Yeah, I mean, the CBC runs interference for the Chinese Communist Party all the time. Years ago,
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I remember they were attacking democracy activists in the Falun Gong, like smearing them. It was so
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malicious. I thought, who is calling the shots there at the CBC? But you know, state broadcasters
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tend to act alike, whether they're Pravda, Xinhua, or the CBC. That's why you just can't trust them.
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And unfortunately, these days, most of the media are on the government payroll. Well,
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that's our show for today. You got to go to the chinafiles.com if you haven't yet. It's
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it's the document. I grant you some parts of it are hard to read. But that calendar at the beginning,
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and that list of 18 exchange programs at the end, that's very easy to read. You got to read it.
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All right, my friends, till next time. Good night, and keep fighting for freedom.