The Left says the answer to every “crisis” is socialism
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Dr. Jay Lair of CFACT and the International Climate Science Coalition joins me to talk about how climate change is being used as a vehicle for socialism, and how the government is using climate change as a tool to exert control over the rest of us.
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Hello Rebels, you're listening to a free audio-only recording of my weekly Wednesday night show,
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The Gun Show. Tonight my guest is Dr. Jay Lair from CFACT and the International Climate Science
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Coalition. He's new to the show. I think you're really gonna like him. Now we're talking about
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a few things. We're talking about, I guess, the intersection, to use a left-wing word,
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of socialism and the climate crisis and I guess every other crisis the government wants you to
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only version of my show. Every single catastrophe real or imagined has become a reason for more
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government control in your life. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.
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Isn't that what the advocates of big government keep saying to us? Whatever the problem is,
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the solution is less freedom and more money from your pocket into the government's hands so that
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they can pass it along to other people who didn't bother to earn it. And some big government goon
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is standing over your shoulder telling you how to live your life, drive less, eat less beef. It
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doesn't matter. What the question is, the answer is always socialism. Global warming? No problem.
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Socialism in the form of massive green taxes and corporate welfare to green energy companies.
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It's fixed. COVID plague from China creating massive layoffs because the government overreacted
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and closed all these private businesses. Easy peasy. $2,000 per month to everyone for an
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indeterminate amount of time. Coronavirus fixed. Joining me today in an interview we recorded
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yesterday afternoon is a new face, I think, to rebel viewers, Dr. Jay Lair of CFACT and the
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International Climate Science Coalition. He sat down with me yesterday afternoon to discuss how
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all these catastrophes are being manipulated and often created to push a socialist future.
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So joining me now from his home is Jay Lair. Jay is a co-author of many articles with Rebel News fan
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favorite and good friend of the show, Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.
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And I wanted to have Jay on the show today to talk about, I guess, the intersection of socialism and
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climate change and how climate change is the vehicle for socialism. But first, Jay, I know you're new to
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our Rebel viewers. Why don't you give us a brief rundown of who you are and, you know, some of your
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educational history, just so people understand that you're just not some guy. You do know a lot about
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I do, Sheila. I have a PhD, well, a degree in engineering from Princeton University, spent a few
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years on active duty in the Navy, got a PhD in a combined field at the University of Arizona of
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Environmental Science, Agricultural Economics, and Water Supply. And over the very long career,
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spanning over 60 years, I have authored, co-authored, or edited now 32 books. The most recent book
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came out just this spring titled A Hitchhiker's Journey Through Climate Change. We started out writing
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with Terry Ciccone, a 150-page book. We ended up with 350 pages before we were finished. But the theme
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really is just what you said. It's all about climate change and socialism. Climate change has always
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been a vehicle to create socialism throughout the world, a one-world government, because the evil people
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that want to control all of our lives recognize that if you can control carbon dioxide output,
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the very breath that we exhale, you could control all society. And if you get people scared that man
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has something to do with controlling the thermostat of the earth, then only government can control it.
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If we're talking about carbon dioxide, it has to be all governments, and then really a one-world
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government, the United Nations, that would take over the world. Because energy is what creates a
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positive standard of living. You can measure the standard of living of any family or human being
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on earth by how much energy they use. That's a determination of whether they have good heating
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and cooling and automobiles and other advantages in life. And so the evil leftists figured out that
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climate change was a way to achieve their goal of destroying capitalism and creating a socialist world.
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And for the last, again, a 60-year career, I have been writing and lecturing around the world,
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actually, on this issue and all energy issues. And for the last three years, I've been working with
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Tom Harris at the International Climate Science Coalition, and also with a group called CFAC.org
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in Washington and America Out Loud. I write an article each week for three different websites,
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America Out Loud, Tom's website, and Committee for Advanced Tomorrow, CFAC.org. And most of my articles
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deal with climate change or energy, now batteries, electric cars, and related things. My most recent article
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was called The Blackouts Are Coming, The Blackouts Are Coming, to coin a phrase from Paul Revere. This is a
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warning, not a scare tactic. And if you look at what California is today, it's what America will be in the next
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four years if Mr. Biden and Ms. Harris are elected to take over our presidency. You know, that's a great
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place to start. Let's talk about the blackouts in California. Because California, when you look at
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the global scale of things, really, it's one of the most prosperous places on the face of the earth. And
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yet they are living in a form of energy poverty right now, because of their pursuit of green energy. And
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really, that's what the United States would be like, if the Democrats and the more radical Democrats,
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which you and I were talking off air, I think the party has been completely overtaken by the more
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radicals. And Joe Biden's vice presidential pick, Kamala Harris, is a testament to that. She's,
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you know, a proponent of the Green New Deal. But what's happening in California? That's what the
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Green New Deal would look like for the entire country.
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Yeah, Sheila, it's really very lucky for the rest of the country to have a model to look at. And we can
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decide on election day on November 3, whether we want to look like California or whether we do not.
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California has created energy poverty. They have, in the last seven or eight years, they have closed
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all but one coal-fired plant in the state. Three of them they turned into using wood pellets to burn.
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They've turned off all their nuclear energy, save one. They have one plant left. And that is scheduled
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to be shut down in 2025. They are no longer going to buy coal power from their neighboring states. And
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within the next 10 to 15 years, they want to be 100 percent wind and solar, which basically is going
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to mean they're going to have a blackout after blackout. They already have four times more blackouts
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than any other state in the union. From 2008 to 2017, they had over 4,000 blackouts. And now they're
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having them virtually every week. It's sheer insanity. And Ms. Harris is going along with it. I'm not sure
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when she was a prosecutor for the state that she was quite as radical as she is now. But she's bought
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into the Green New Deal of these crazy people in our Congress. And they really want to bring the country
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to its knees, whether they know it or not. But again, the primary purpose is the defeat of capitalism.
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And the institution of socialism in the United States.
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Well, and they also have another arrow in their quiver now to bring about this cultural change
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in the United States. It used to be the impending doom of climate change that never actually came.
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And so the benchmarks kept being changed and the goalposts had to be shoved back. But now it's the
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coronavirus. And they're using the pandemic now to push for this green recovery. The economy has all
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but stopped in Canada. And so now in Canada, they're saying there's only one way to jumpstart the economy.
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It has to be green. And I see a lot of the same musings happening in the United States. However,
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thank God for President Trump. But when you have places like Time Magazine publishing,
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as the rest of the world plans for a green recovery, America is once again falling behind.
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I don't know. I think the unemployment numbers that came out the other day speak for themselves
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compared to Canada. I think avoiding a green recovery is going to be the thing that
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saves America from this pandemic lockdown. There's no question about it. The whole,
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the Green New Deal and the leftists are evil, but they're not stupid. Their goal again is to
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have a socialist country. They want control, full control over every human being living in the country.
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And they were quick enough to see the coronavirus as another mechanism along with climate change
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to take control. I work with a hundred doctors on the issue. The masks are of very little value.
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The social distancing is arbitrary. The idea is to get people used to taking orders,
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a hundred percent of the population taking orders. It doesn't matter that it has any impact at all
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medically. So they've seized on the coronavirus as another mechanism to gain control over the public
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population and make them just take orders. When they say jump, the people are to say how high. And
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right now it's working. And if we don't see a backlash of people not liking being ordered around under a
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socialist government the past eight months, then on November 3rd, Mr. Biden and Ms. Harris will take
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over. I am hopeful that the average person on the street is now getting fed up with it. And they're going
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to go to the polls in the privacy of the polling booth and say they don't want it anymore. And it's
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interesting you point out, I think it was 1.3 million new jobs. That does not count California, New York,
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and Illinois that are still shut down. Now, three very populous states, if they were not shut down,
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those new employment numbers would skyrocket even more.
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Now, I wanted you rightly point out that this is about, I guess, retraining people,
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but there's a serious application of force in any sort of push towards socialism and government control.
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And you do have an article that was out about two weeks ago that you co-authored with my friend,
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Tom Harris, about the lack of morality and the application of force. And it's so funny that
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socialism is often taught to us as this, or it's pushed towards us as this benevolent thing,
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this caring thing. If you care about people, you'll want to give your goods to the government
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so that the government can redistribute them. But it's anything but kind, is it?
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Yes, it's exactly the opposite. Socialism means that collective rules everyone's life. You cannot
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do anything independently. We pointed out in a series of three articles on socialism how totally
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evil it is. And all you have to really understand, whether or not you are a religious person or not,
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you cannot have any religion in socialism because that separates groups from the government.
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They have their own dogmas, their own rules. So all religion must be completely wiped out,
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and no individual can actually make a decision on their own about anything. The collective runs
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everything. Yes, it's supposed that the collective will distribute wealth evenly. What they actually
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distribute evenly is misery. And all one has to do is to study every socialist country, true socialist
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country that has existed. And we're talking about Cuba and Venezuela and China and Russia. These are the
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models and they are all abject failure. Socialism can only and has only succeeded in a limited way with
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a gun to the head of the population. It's the opposite of being a nice, warm and fuzzy program. It is tyrannical
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in all its forms. And when we talk about socialism, people point to Norway and Sweden and Denmark that have
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partial socialist economies. But when you study them, they're more capitalist than they are socialist. Their form of
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socialism really only covers their medical care and their control of an industry or two. They are not
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models of socialism. Venezuela is a model of socialism. Cuba, Russia are models of socialism, and we all know
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how they turned out. Now, getting back to one of the topics that you like to talk about, and I definitely
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like to talk about, I run into Tom Harris all the time at the UN climate change conferences. Sadly, there
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won't be one this year because a real threat came along, and so they had to cancel it. Nothing was ever
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important enough for them to cancel their private jets to the climate change conference until a
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disease came along. But it's funny the places that you listed. Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, Russia. I was
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writing them down as you said that. These are socialist places, communist places. I suppose a communist is
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just a socialist who really means it. But these are filthy places, filthy places.
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Beautiful. I'm going to remember that. A communist is a socialist who really means it. You really nailed
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it. Well, I poached it from someone else I heard one time. But these are filthy places. And it's so
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often that the proponents of socialism say, okay, well, if we just had more control over the economy
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and people's lives, that it would be a much greener, cleaner place. But in the places where the most
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control exists over people's lives, they're disgusting, horrible, dirty places.
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That's absolutely correct. And Michael Moore, who's one of America's most famous leftists,
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for reasons I do not understand, decided to pull the curtain away from wind and solar energy. And he
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made a movie called Planet for the humans. It's brilliant. And all of the big Google and Amazon
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tried to stop the film being shown because he shows what a sham they are. And they are environmentally
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destructive. It was amazing. He put together a two minute film inside the movie that showed everything
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involved in creating a solar farm or wind turbine farm and how environmentally destructive they are
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from beginning to end. There is nothing green about what the leftists call green energy. The Green New
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Deal is entirely destructive of the planet. And this is normally the way the left works. They take all of
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their evilness and try to project it on the opposition. In other words, all their flaws they try to claim
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are part of Donald Trump, as an example. It's their trick. And they do it over and over and over again.
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And unfortunately, the young people buy into it because they've been brought up in government schools
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that essentially don't teach our history, our great history. They teach just only the evils of
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society. And the children get out of high school today with no idea of how horrible socialism has
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been through the ages and how phenomenal the American and Canadian governments were at one time.
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You know, it's funny because these environmental groups will use whatever lie and half truth they can
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to push their agenda. Just last week here in Alberta, Canada's Texas, we have a massive
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deposit of oil that is just below the surface, the oil sands. And it has been leaching out of the
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the ground there for millennia. The indigenous people there used to use the oil sands that were coming out
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of the riverbanks to seal their canoes, to waterproof their canoes. So it's a feature of the landscape and not
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a bug. And yet environmental groups just four days ago, they came out with a big report that said
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there's groundwater contamination and it is because of the oil sands mining. When we know there's
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groundwater contamination because of the oil sands and what we are participating in is probably the
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world's largest cleanup project that mother nature left us a big fat mess up there. But it's funny,
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the lies. And as you point out, it is the young people who will see that and not know the history
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of anything and say, yup, they're ruining the land up there by mining these oil sands as opposed to
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cleaning up the mess that was left behind by mother nature. And as you point out, again, the government
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schools are not going to teach them any different. No, they've actually taught them that pretty much
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everything we do in advancing industry is negative toward our environment. And it's absolutely not
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true. We can burn coal with virtually no emissions that are harmful to the atmosphere. We can drill for
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oil. We can hydraulically fracture shale sands to get our oil with no damage whatsoever. And we can
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certainly mine the oil sands in Canada without any harm. And I love what you just said. It's one of the
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biggest cleanup projects in history that the more we take out of the oil sands, the less potential
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pollution that is created. But they essentially teach young children that up is down and down is up. And
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this is interesting. The famous novel everyone knows of 1984 by George Orwell, that's what an advanced
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government did. They literally turned truth into fiction. And if you say it over and over again,
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especially when you start with small children, they come out with ideas that are entirely false.
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You know, if we needed any proof, any more proof, that the green movement is just a vehicle towards
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socialism and control, all we have to do is look at the solution the environmentalists are proposing
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for us. And it is taxes. It's carbon taxes, which is a wealth transfer in and of itself. So if we take out
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all the overlays of environmentalism, CO2 emissions, the cost per ton that they want to charge us on CO2
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emissions, if we just look at what the solution is, and the solution is, I have to give my money to
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the government so that they can give it to somebody else. The solution is socialism. It doesn't matter
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what the problem was. This is true. What's even more amazing in all the talks I give and all the writing
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I do now. I make sure people know it's not that carbon dioxide is bad. Carbon dioxide is good.
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Since what we call the second industrial revolution following World War II, about 24 percent of the
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earth is greener than it was because carbon dioxide is plant food. We only live here because we have
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carbon dioxide and photosynthesis to allow plants to grow, to allow animals to eat, to allow us to
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eat. We're only here because of carbon dioxide, and it'll be a better earth when we go from the 410
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parts per million carbon dioxide someday to 800. It'll be an even better earth. So they turn
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good into evil, and carbon dioxide is a good, and you describe it correctly. All of their attempts to
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solve a non-problem move us towards socialism. The one, I don't know who's going to win the election on
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November 3rd. I am cautiously optimistic that the public is going to recognize they don't like
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what's been going on for eight months. They don't like the government to tell them everything to do,
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and Mr. Trump will get another four years. But if by chance he does not get enough of four years,
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it's going to be interesting to watch everything that Mr. Biden and Ms. Harris do fail. Every idea they
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have can only result in failure. And so it might take a couple more years of destruction of our
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nation before people realize that they have been duped in school from K through 12, in many of the
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colleges, and certainly by all the major TV news stations. And the media is controlled, you know,
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is the old saying that when you buy ink by the barrel, you have a lot of power.
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Jay, I am in Northern Canada. I'm a farmer. I welcome the global warming. I welcome the opportunity
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for more arable land to feed people. And I'm a proponent of GMO crops because that helps crops
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grow in forbidding climates like where I live. But at the same time, though, the environmentalist
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movement opposes GMO crops and they want, you know, smaller crops, which drives up the cost of food.
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And yet they claim to be advocating for poor people across the world. It's very strange when you look at
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uh, the results of their ideas. It's actually very anti-human, isn't it?
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Totally. Sheila, I've spent a major part of my career working in agriculture, uh, helping farmers to
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understand the wonders of genetically modifying our grain so that they grow in, in drier and in hotter
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climates and produce, uh, greater yields. Uh, I knew Norman Borlaug, who won a Nobel Prize in 1971.
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Figuring out how to get more yield, uh, out of wheat. Uh, the next time I hear, uh, an environmentalist
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say anything about agriculture that is accurate will be the first time I have ever heard an environmental
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zealot say anything accurate. You can almost just go by anything they say and reverse it and you'll be,
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then you will be accurate. They don't want people to eat food that is inexpensive and healthy.
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They don't want people to heat and cool their homes with energy that is, uh, that, that is
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inexpensive. Uh, they only want the worst for society. I was at a dinner party recently. There
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were eight people around a table and I was chatting across the way with a fellow who was a conservative
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like I, and we were, uh, I had mentioned, uh, that I'd never met an environmental zealot that was a
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happy-go-lucky upbeat person. A woman next to me stood up and started screaming at me that she was
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a happy-go-lucky leftist. And everybody at the table broke out laughing.
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You know, it's so funny. These, it's the same people who say, oh, you can't eat meat. Don't eat
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beef. Don't farm beef, uh, because it's bad for the environment while they're eating a piece of
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avocado on their toast that was trucked in from somewhere else, very far away. We don't grow
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avocados up here. Um, and you know, it's gotta be refrigerated every step of the way to sit in the
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growth trucked into the grocery store from halfway around the world for this leftist to buy it because
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it's organic. So they, they can stare down their nose and say, oh, you shouldn't eat that steak.
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That's bad for the environment. They just don't have the foresight to understand the supply chain
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at all. Yeah, not at all. And that's kind of what's included in the two minutes of the Michael
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Moore movie. I described, they show absolutely every element of, of mining something in Africa
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and what goes into the mind and transporting it across the country and so on and so forth.
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And they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, there's nothing about wind and solar that is green,
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let alone the fact that you cannot, uh, continue an industrial society, uh, that way. California
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will be moving backwards a century if they continue on the path that they're on. And people do not
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understand the supply chain at all. And, uh, everything going on with global warming is good
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for agriculture. Actually, the earth has been warming a little bit, uh, since, uh, the revolutionary
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war was the end of a little ice age and we've been warming up. Man has, that's one thing I want to make
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a statement of because there are not a lot of people that have the nerve to say it. Man's impact,
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Sheila, on the temperature of this planet is zero, zero. It's not a little bit, but you have,
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there are two sides. You've got the modelers that get billions of dollars to support models
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that have never been accurate, that they don't even understand the variable to put in them.
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But then you also have an element of scientists that are constantly trying to figure out man's
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impact on the planet. Now they know it's three or four decimal points away from a whole number,
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but they're still working on it. But the only default number to describe man's impact
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on the temperature of this planet is zero. Oh, but think of all the grants they're getting
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to keep working to find something that doesn't exist. It's like one of those perpetual motion
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machines. Just get a grant, keep looking for nothing, get a grant, find nothing.
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I love that analogy and you're right, but it's all about, you know, follow the money on either side
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of the issue, follow the money. Nobody pays me one way or another. So I'm really out there all
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alone on my island saying it's zero. Now, Jay, you mentioned some of the places where people can
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find you. Do you want to go through some of those again, just so that people who are first meeting
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you for the first time today can find where they can find your work and maybe even support your work?
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The first and easiest place is at a website, cfact.org.
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We love cfacts. We love Mark. We love cfacts.org. And if you go to that website and you scroll down
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and you'll find one of my articles, and if you then just tap on my name, every article I've written
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there will come up. And in one tap, you can get probably a hundred articles I've written there
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over the last couple of years. And most of them are easy to read. My strength as a science writer is
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making things simple. I always say I've never been the sharpest knife in the drawer. And that's been
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good because I have to work hard to learn things. And then I become a very good teacher of them.
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And then, of course, at Tom Harris's website and at America Out Loud, America Out Loud.
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That's dot com, I think. And Tom and I write there every week. And then Tom's website has
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all of our stuff and cfact.org. But I used to do 30 or 40 lectures a year.
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With the COVID, the travel cut way down. I did get a lecture three weeks ago. I was
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out in Las Vegas. And it was fun to lecture for 100 people. 50 were MDs, 50 were very high-level
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physicists, and not one of them wore a mask. And the hotel allowed us to have a meeting without a
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mask. It was very, very exciting. But now mostly I'm spending my time writing and loving every bit of
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it. I've just written an article that the U.S. could pay off most of their COVID debt if they
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were just allowed to drill for oil on federal land. You can't drill for oil on federal land.
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No. That blows my mind. That blows my mind. I hope Trump changes that and opens up federal
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land to drilling. He's already signed an executive order talking about it, but the environmental
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groups are suing at every turn. Of course they are. Well, Jay, I want to thank you so much for
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coming on the show. Hopefully you can come back on again real soon. I had a lot of fun.
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I as well, Sheila. You do a great job. It's been a pleasure. Anytime. This is what I do,
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and educating people is my joy. Great. Thank you very much.
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The immorality of socialism is that it denies the very nature of humanity. That there's dignity
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in earning that what you own and owning what you earn. That a kept man is a man denied motivation,
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and thus a man denied his full potential. Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank
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you so much, as always, for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time,
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in the same place next week. And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much