The real story of racism and slavery in Canada doesn't fit “Black Lives Matter” narrative
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A statue of Queen Victoria has been defaced in London, England. Is it because she was a slave-owner? Or was she a liberator of slaves? Is that even a thing? And if so, why did she do it?
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Hello, my friends. I've been working on this show for a little while. I'm very proud of it.
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I show you the history of slavery in Canada. And let me tell you, it is the proudest history of
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any nation I can imagine. I want to prove to you that in Canada, black lives have mattered
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since the 1790s. And anyone who tells you differently, well, they're lying to you.
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So I'll prove it to you, too. Before I do, let me invite you to become a premium subscriber.
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shows by Sheila Gunn-Reed and David Menzies. All right, back to the show. And I will tell you
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the things that I learned that were fascinating to me, and I hope you find them that way, too.
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Tonight, do black lives matter in Canada? What's our history when it comes to racism? It's June
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's
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This is a scene from the hit HBO fantasy series called Game of Thrones. That super white girl
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was one of the contenders for the throne. She was tough and sexy and mysterious,
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and she had a pair of dragons. But I think one of the reasons she was so popular with viewers
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is that she was a white woman freeing black men from chains. That was one of her official titles in
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the show, Breaker of Chains, just in case the show was too subtle for you. And that's the ultimate
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white liberal dream, isn't it? To free slaves, but not just any slaves, to free black slaves.
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And why not? Slavery is a stain on society, and it remains the United States of America's worst
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moral error, and its costliest error, too. The U.S. Civil War cost more lives than all other U.S. wars
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combined, and its seeds of discontent linger on through the era of Jim Crow and segregation,
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and even the racially tinged riots that we've seen these past weeks. But that's not actually
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what a liberator of slaves looks like. This is what a liberator of slaves looks like.
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That's who did it. That's Queen Victoria. Well, it wasn't just her, of course. The United Kingdom
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spent a century fighting against slavery, and I don't mean going to protests and saying,
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hey, hey, ho, ho, slavery has got to go in it. No. They actually fought against slavery.
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They dispatched the Royal Navy, the greatest military force in the world at the time,
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to stop slavery. This isn't the statue of Queen Victoria that I know and love. I know
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the one right outside Buckingham Palace. It's stunning. I hope you get the chance to see it one day in person.
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This statue apparently is in Leeds, and it was violated, desecrated. Look at that. BLM, Black Lives
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Matter, and murderer. And I think they spray-painted her breasts because these protesters are quite woke,
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I guess. I think this is a shot of the same statue from another perspective. BLM, slave owner, and
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slag, which is a British way of saying the derogatory word slut. But is it true? Did Queen Victoria kill blacks
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and enslave blacks? No. Neither did Abraham Lincoln, the great emancipator, who freed four million slaves
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after the bloodiest war in U.S. history. Neither did Winston Churchill, who led the West against Adolf Hitler
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in Nazi Germany. Now, you might think, look, that's a mindless mob that defaced the statues.
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They're uneducated. They're animalistic in nature, not thinking, only feeling. Facts don't matter to
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their feelings. Right. But this Western wave of violence and revolution is intellectually endorsed
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by people who should know better, by professors, by politicians, by the entire idea establishment,
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especially the media. It's worst in the media here in Canada, too. The mindless attacks on Rex Murphy
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for simply saying he thinks Canada is not systematically racist. I'm deeply embarrassed
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for the National Post that they bent the knee to their know-nothing millennial junior writers and let
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them have an op-ed calling for the deplatforming of Rex Murphy. I won't go through the whole argument
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again there. I did a monologue on that last week. To be clear, my objection isn't that some woke
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junior staffer disagrees with Rex. It's that her argument was Rex shouldn't be able to speak at
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all because he's a white man. It's like that image from the Maoist cultural revolution I showed you
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the other day. If Rex won't denounce himself like so many others are doing to him, well, then we have
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to stuff a cloth in his mouth to literally shut him up. But can I ask you a question? And it involves
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history and a little bit of reading. So there's just no chance the millennial gripers who are thrilled
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by this wave of violence will know anything about him. Can I ask you, what is Queen Victoria's record
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on slavery? And what's ours? What's our Canadian record of slavery? Do black lives matter here?
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Now there has been slavery in every continent of the world except Antarctica. There was slavery
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throughout indigenous America before Columbus arrived. Slavery was an important part of Indian
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warfare and Indian economy in British Columbia, for example, for centuries. Slavery is a curse. It's as
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old as murder, really. In a way, it's the perpetual threat of murder. I own you. You must always do
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what I say, or I could kill you. And I am making permanent that threat by calling you my property
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to do with as I please. I am taking away any of your dignity or property in yourself. I own you.
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That's an ancient sin and crime, and it has threatened to manifest itself everywhere that humans have lived,
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and it has. But my case today is that we didn't let it take root in Canada. We did not.
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In fact, I think Canada is probably one of the least slave-y places in the whole world. And I tell you
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that so that when some know nothing on Twitter, or some know nothing working at the National Post,
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or Toronto Star, or Globe and Mail, or CBC tells you how racist you are, because we're all racist,
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because this country's racist, you can deny it with facts, and hopefully with your feelings too.
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Let's go back a bit. How does 1772 suit you? That's before the United States had its revolution.
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That's before the French Revolution too. Here's a court ruling from the UK called Somerset versus
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Stewart. Let me read a bit. On return to a habeas corpus requiring Captain Knowles to show cause for
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the seizure and detainer of the complainant Somerset, a Negro, the case appeared to be this. Okay, some old
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fashion language there. Somerset was a black man. Captain Knowles had seized and detained him
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as a slave, and Somerset sued, referring to the ancient British tradition of habeas corpus.
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As you know, you can't arrest someone without having some proof they'd done something wrong.
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That's called habeas corpus. It's actually Latin for have the body. As in, you have to have some
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proof that there was a crime going on if you're going to hold a man, seize him, detain him. Police
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can't just pick you up without habeas corpus. So if you're treating someone as a slave, well, you just
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can't do it because you want to do it. You're treating him like a prisoner. Prove that he should
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be a prisoner. That's what the law says. I'll read just a little bit more because it's a bit old
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fashioned and legalistic language, as you would express from 250 years ago. The Negro had been a
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slave to Mr. Stewart in Virginia, had been purchased from the African coast. In the course of the slave
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trade, as tolerated in the plantations, he had been brought over to England by his master, who intending
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to return by force sent him on board of a Captain Knowles' vessel, lying in the river and was there
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by the order of his master, in the custody of Captain Knowles, detained against his consent
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until returned in obedience to the writ. Okay, so he's brought from Africa to the colonies and then
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to Britain. And here's what the judges said about that. The question on that is not whether slavery is
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lawful in the colonies, where a concurrence of unhappy circumstances has caused it to be established
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as necessary, but whether in England, not whether it has ever existed in England, but whether it be
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now abolished. And maybe I shouldn't, I mean, I want to read this all to you. I just don't have time.
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It's a wonderful ruling. For the next paragraph, the judges give the most forceful denunciation
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of slavery I think that I've ever read. They describe its immorality, its corrupting effect
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actually on the slave master too. Its practical effects on all of humanity and mainly on the rights
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of the slave. It is a wonderful ruling. Can I invite you to Google it and read it for yourself?
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It's called Somerset's case. Anyways, the judges here don't try to ban slavery throughout the British
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Empire. I don't think they had the jurisdiction. This was just some guy in a boat in the river.
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But a slave presented himself and said, look, I'm in England. England does not allow slavery.
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And the judges said, by George, you're right. Shall an attempt to introduce perpetual servitude here
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to this island? Hope for countenance? Will not all the other mischiefs of mere utter servitude
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revive? And this, incompatible with the mild and human precepts of Christianity. And this,
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tis very doubtful whether the laws of England will permit a man to bind himself by contract to serve
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for life. As in, you're not even allowed to sign a contract to be a slave for your whole life. You
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just won't be allowed to do it by the government. This is 250 years ago this was written. These judges
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just wouldn't have it. Anyway, amazing case. It was shortly after that case that William
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Wilberforce's Committee for the Abolition of Slave Trade dedicated itself to the project of banning
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slavery everywhere, really. That's the subject of the movie Amazing Grace. I should say it again.
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As the judges said, Christianity was the motivating force for Wilberforce, for so many of the other
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abolitionists. It was mentioned in the court case, as I showed you.
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I contrast that with Islam, which legalizes and normalizes slavery, both slavery of men
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and the rape slavery of women. Muhammad himself had slaves. Christianity is unusual in not only
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its rejection of slavery, but its motivation to redeem captives around the world. And that's
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such a key point here. The UK was ridding itself of whatever vestiges of slavery were in its own
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island. That's what Somerset's case said. It didn't ban slavery in the 13 colonies in America. It's just
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said, don't bring your slavery here back to England. We won't accept it. That's bold. But then the Brits
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said, all right, well, let's free the whole world. They actually said that, and they went about doing
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that, and not by rioting and looting their own cities. Look at this. An act for the abolition
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of the slave trade. It was passed in Parliament in 1807. Now, it didn't ban slavery itself in the
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British Empire, but it banned the slave trade. So if you were already a slave, it did not free you yet.
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But it was a direct attack on the industry of slavery, the capturing of slaves, the shipment of
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slaves to auctions. It was the starter pistol for the Royal Navy's Great War on Slave Traders.
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Back in 1807. And if that wasn't tough enough, well, it got tougher. The Slave Trade Felony Act
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turned slave trading into a crime on par with piracy. And if you don't know, pirates, especially
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back then, were deemed to be outside the law, sort of like terrorists. They had no, very few rights in
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law. They could be executed almost on site after a drumhead trial. To be a slave trader in the face of
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the Slave Trade Felony Act was as risky back then as being a member of ISIS. Now, actually,
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riskier. They didn't have a Guantanamo Bay. They just killed them. Back then, they had Royal Navy
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ships, not drones. The Royal Navy set up a special fleet just for the purpose of stopping slave ships.
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They called it the West Africa Squadron. It was fully one-sixth of the entire Royal Navy.
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Ships and Marines. Over the course of 50 years, this was a 50-year war against slavery. This West
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Africa Squadron seized 1,600 different slave ships. 1,600. Can you imagine? They freed 150,000 Africans
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who were being shipped to slave markets. It's like Schindler's List. Now, these were not British
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citizens. This was not actually in the economic interests of Britain or the colonies. This was
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purely done as a moral expression of British and Christian ideology in the face of evil.
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It wasn't just military. Britain signed treaties with countries throughout Africa to press them to
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stop the slave trade. This had never happened before in history. Forget your Daenerys Targaryen
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Game of Thrones. This was on Queen Victoria's watch. This was the woman who was freeing the world.
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You know, Rudyard Kipling wrote a poem that is now obviously considered racist. Even its title,
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it's called The White Man's Burden. I don't even know if you're allowed to say the name of the
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poem anymore, let alone read from it. But I do want to read a little bit from it. It's
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published in 1899, 121 years ago. It was Kipling's view about the British Empire, about how Britain
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was taking pains to bring Western ideas of morality and law and health and wealth to the whole world,
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and was just being blamed for it no matter. Let me read a few passages. What do you think of this?
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Take up the white man's burden. Send forth the best ye breed. Go bind your sons to exile to serve your
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captives' need. Take up the white man's burden, the savage wars of peace. Fill full the mouth of famine
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and bid the sickness cease. Take up the white man's burden and reap his old reward, the blame of those
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ye abetter, the hate of those ye guard. I'm not going to read any more. It's probably illegal
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to read Kipling now. I'm quite sure his statues will be taken down across the UK as they're toppling
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other statues, even as I speak. You know, they toppled the statue of Christopher Columbus in
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Richmond, Virginia the other day. Hey, if you hate living in America so much, if you hate the idea that
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Columbus came there, leave. Why blame the man who discovered it if you're going to enjoy his
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discovery? If you hate Christopher Columbus for discovering America, if you don't believe he
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discovered it, but rather think he invaded and stole it from Indians, then how can you possibly
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morally, ethically still live there? It's like you're in a stolen house. Britain passed the Slavery
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Abolition Act in 1833. So they're passing law after law after law. Basically, that law said, okay,
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we're done. It's over. It's now illegal to have a slave anywhere in the entire British Empire,
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except in a few technical exceptions that I won't get into here. And I want to tell you
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something stunning that I did not actually know until now. So if someone had bought a slave over
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the years, anywhere in the British Empire, and had the knowledge and security that what they were
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doing was lawful when they bought the slave, even if it was immoral, it was lawful. Well, this
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abolition of slavery in a way was taking away the property right they had in the slave, of course,
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because people aren't property. But they had been in law for years, even if it wasn't moral. So the
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British Empire did something that I did not know about. And I wonder if you had ever heard of this
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before either, because for some reason, they don't teach it in schools. And I doubt the Black Lives
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Matter protesters know this either. The British Empire literally paid to liberate and emancipate every
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single slave in the empire. They didn't have a civil war about it. They didn't kill a half
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million of their own souls in a bloody battle over slavery. They emancipated all the slaves by
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paying out their slave owners, redeeming the slaves as the Bible tells Christians to do.
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The British Empire borrowed 20 million pounds back in 1833. Do you know how much money that is
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in today's currency? That's more than 100 billion pounds in today's money. We're talking British pounds.
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So we're talking close to a quarter of a trillion Canadian mini dollars. It was the size of 40% of
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the entire revenues of the empire. In fact, that special slave redemption loan, they borrowed the
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money, would not be paid off until, I'm not even kidding, it was only paid off five years ago.
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More than a century, Brits have been paying interest on that emancipation loan. So let's
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recap. Britain banned the slave trade. Then they created a special force in the Royal Navy and
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Marines that went to war against slave ships for half a century, freeing 150,000 slaves and stopping
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countless more from being enslaved. And then they made slave trading a crime tantamount to terrorism.
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And then they bound slavery outright and incurred a 180-year mortgage of a quarter trillion Canadian
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dollars to redeem slaves. That's the United Kingdom. White people, by the way, Christians,
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by the way, only Abraham Lincoln rivals that effort. And as he wrote to a New York newspaper in 1862,
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if I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it. And if I could save it by freeing all
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the slaves, I would do it. And if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would
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also do that. So yes, he freed the slaves, four million, and he was a great, great president. But
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freeing the slaves was not his main purpose. His main purpose was stopping the South from seceding.
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He hated slavery, obviously. But he didn't dedicate his entire country's efforts just to eradicating
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slavery per se. The British Empire did. And of course, Canada was part of that British Empire.
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And let me close by showing you something that I never learned in school. And I went to school in
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Canada. And I want to learn about Canada because it's my country. When did we get involved in this?
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What's our role? Are we racist? As Trudeau, the ignoramus says, Trudeau, who's never read a book that
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wasn't a comic. But it is a time for us as Canadians to recognize that we too have our challenges,
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that black Canadians and racialized Canadians face discrimination as a lived reality every single
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day. There is systemic discrimination in Canada, which means our systems treat Canadians of color,
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Canadians who are racialized differently than they do others.
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Yeah, read a book, you liar. Here's the truth. On July 9th, 1793, the Parliament of Upper Canada,
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that's what they called Canada back then. It wasn't Canada. We passed an act against slavery. It banned
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the slave trade. No slaves could be brought to Canada. And of the slaves already here, anyone born
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to a slave would automatically be freed upon reaching the age of 25. Now, it wasn't a huge
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issue. There weren't a lot of slaves in Canada to begin with. I read one census that put the black
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population of Toronto at the time at around 16 people. But if there was any doubt, it was flattened.
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John Simcoe, the lieutenant governor of Upper Canada, was an abolitionist. I'm sure they'll tear down
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his statue too and rename anything with the word Simcoe in it, just like they're defacing everything else,
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white and male and old. But John Simcoe abolished slavery more than 200 years ago. He helped make
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Canada the place to which black Americans fled when they escaped slavery. That is our Canadian history.
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I'm going to read a bit from this law because you're not going to see this on the CBC or in the
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Toronto Star. Let me read from the law more than 200 years old. Whereas it is unjust that a people who
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enjoy freedom by law should encourage the introduction of slavery in this province. And
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whereas it is highly expedient to abolish slavery in this province, so far as the same may gradually
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be done without violating private property. To grant a license for importing into the same any Negro or
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Negroes shall be, and the same is hereby repealed. And that from and after the passing of this act,
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it shall not be lawful for the governor, lieutenant governor, or other person administrating the
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government of this province to grant a license for the importation any Negro or other person to be
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subjected to the condition of a slave, or to a bounden and voluntary service for life into any
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part of the province. Nor shall any Negro or other person who shall come or be brought into this
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province after the passing of this act be subject to the condition of a slave, or to such service as
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aforesaid within this province. Nor shall any voluntary contract of service or indentures that may be
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entered into by any parties within this province after the passing of this act be binding on them
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or either of them for a longer time than a term of nine years from the day of the date of such a
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contract. So it's done. You couldn't even sign a contract to be a slave. Nine-year work term is the
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maximum. I'll read a little bit more. I thought this was interesting. The children that shall be born of
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female slaves to remain in the service of the owner of their mother until the age of 25 years when they
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shall be discharged. So this law didn't set free all the existing slaves yet. That came from Britain
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along with the redemption payment later. But until then the Canadian law protected the treatment of
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slaves in a way. Look at this. Such master or mistress shall and is hereby required to give proper
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nourishment and clothing to such child or children and shall and may put such child or children to work
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and shall and may retain him or her in their service until every such child shall have attained
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the age of 25 years at which time they and each of them shall be entitled to demand his or her
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discharged from and shall be discharged by such master and mistress from for the service. So they
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actually had a duty of care towards children. I won't go on but let me end by quoting my friend
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Alam Bokhari. Now I don't know exactly Alam's background but I know he comes from the UK
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but before that I know his people came from somewhere else in the British Empire and like so
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many people who were the subjects of that happy and gentle empire he knows that despite all of its
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flaws the British Empire was the best thing to ever happen to a place in the world because it brought
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the rule of law and justice and education and health and construction and it brought the liberal
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precepts of Christianity even to lands that had never heard of it before and they were the breakers
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of chains. And here's what my friend Alam said last night and oh did it cause a fuss. He said and he's
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not white. He said white people abolish slavery. And you know what it's true. Now there is still
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slavery in parts of the world in Africa, in Arabia, in parts of Asia, even in China. There are more than
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a billion people who follow a prophet who not only kept slaves himself but instructed his followers on
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the power you have over a slave. You can kill a male slave, you can rape a woman slave. Best not to
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talk about that though. Yeah every country has its flaws because every human being has flaws. Queen
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Victoria you know other than Moses himself no one in history freed or saved or stopped more slavery
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than Queen Victoria and we Canadians were right beside her in the fight. In fact we were passing
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anti-slavery laws in Canada decades before she was even born. Black Lives Matter? Yeah mate we know
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because we're Canadians. Maybe read a book. Stay with us for more.
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Well when I first heard of Brexit I didn't know what it was about. I don't think most people
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were paying attention to it. Maybe not even in the United Kingdom itself. It sort of sneaked up on
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everybody. It was supposed to fail but wouldn't you know it the people had other plans. Well while the
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world scratched its head about that another wave of nationalism and populism rose and it was Donald
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Trump. Again the experts dismissed it. There was no chance. You know that highlight reel that Donald
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Trump himself loves to tweet where every important person said no chance he'll be president and they
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laughed at Ann Coulter when she said he would be. Remember this? Do it. Do it. Look at me. Do it.
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I will personally write you a campaign check now on behalf of this country which does not want you to
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be president but which badly wants you to run. So when you stand and deliver that State of the
00:25:59.060
Union address in no part of your mind or brain can you imagine Donald Trump standing up one day
00:26:05.140
and delivering a State of the Union address? Well I can imagine it uh in a Saturday night skit.
00:26:13.180
I continue to believe Mr. Trump will not be president. He will never be president of the United States.
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And uh we better be ready for the fact that he might be leading the Republican ticket next.
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I know you don't believe that but I want to go on.
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Okay here we are. Ann, which Republican candidate has the best chance of winning the general election?
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Well what's going on? I'll tell you one thing. When Trump won they stopped sleepwalking and now
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there's a war by the media elites against nationalism, populism. And there's an interesting
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book coming out next week by Ryan James Gurdusky. The title of the book and he writes it with Harlan
00:27:02.300
Hill. The book is They're Not Listening. How the elites created the national populist revolution.
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Harlan Hill was a founder of Democrats for Trump and today we are joined via Skype by his co-author
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Ryan James Gurdusky from New York. Ryan what a pleasure to meet you. Thanks for being here.
00:27:22.400
Thank you for having me. Well I find this a fascinating subject. Can you define national
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populism? Yes. So there's basically two major movements. There's nationalism which is the uh the
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fight against global elites and international organizations and the loss of sovereignty and
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then there's populism which is a class struggle really against the elites and national
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populism has kind of been fused together because they're focused on the same enemy which is those
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in the elites pushing globalism pushing open borders pushing uh for for more corporatist style
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economics are just the same people. Um and this fusion has been going on for decades now you know
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when Trump and Brexit happened people finally sat there and said hmm this is something but it's
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actually been going on across the world since the 90s uh and you saw it you know as early as
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Victor Orbán's victory in 1998 which is where the book starts out from uh but then it goes into the
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Swiss People's Party and their election victory in 1999 you have uh the Danish People's Party in 2001
00:28:25.040
and it looks at national populism from a global perspective because it is a global movement it's
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not just you know derided like it is in the media as just old white people from either the Rust Belt or
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Northern England who are angry about uh the loss of sovereignty and mass immigration. You have national
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populist movements parties and positions uh on every continent on the globe and the book opens up
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talking about the immigration policy in Angola and Chile uh in India uh Israel and throughout Europe
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and the United States and Canada as well with the Albania Quebec Coalition. And I think that it's
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really important to sit there and realize that this uh that this movement goes beyond race or religion
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or or creed or political orientation or you know anything or any national borders. It is a
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global movement that you're seeing a pushback from neoliberalism. In Canada our media and political
00:29:16.040
elites like to say we don't have nationalism or populism here. They point to the lack of success
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amongst a candidate who was squarely in that zone in the last election Maxime Bernier and the People's
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Party. I would ascribe that personally to the fact that conservatives all strategically voted for the
00:29:34.600
most likely party to beat Trudeau. But Canadian establishment said no no no Canada doesn't support
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populism. Canada doesn't support nationalism. We're just little mini Trudeaus who love the United
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Nations, love open borders, love foreign aid, and don't even believe in a country. What would you say
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to those Canadian elites? They're our competitors here and they sneer no no no Canadians are different. What
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do you say to them? Well you have one the Avenir Quebec coalition which is the governing party the
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absolute governing party over in the Providence of Quebec. A campaign on preserving French Canadian
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culture and the first thing they did were in office were having the ban on religious garments in
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government buildings and and supporting a change to their immigration policy. But there's a lot of these
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rumors that go around saying these countries are immune from national populism. This was the thinking of
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Spain for a very very long time that Spain could not be influenced by national populism. And in 2018
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you had the creation of the Vox Party 2018 or 2017. And by 2019 the Vox Party was the third largest party
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in Spain. Portugal just elected their first national populist to their parliament. No country or people
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is immune to this because so long as the people are not being listened to they will gravitate towards
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national populist leaders. And I in the book I separate two very very interesting countries that are
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experiencing or will experience national populism. One is Canada and the other is Australia. So both
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Canada and Australia in opinion polls say we want less immigration. We want it more geared toward we
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want we want better living qualities in the cities. We don't want as expensive living costs in the cities.
00:31:08.800
So on Australia's side they reduced legal immigration and they said new legal immigrants cannot move to the
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most overpopulated cities because we want to keep the cost of living especially with the cost of
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housing lower. Trudeau did the complete opposite where he said no we're going to actually increase
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legal immigration and they can move wherever they want. Which is why you had the Abednir Quebec
00:31:28.740
coalition I think winning in such a resounding number in their provincial election. And that's really the
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dichotomy. And the longer that the ruling class and the governing class kind of ignores the will of people and
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you'll see it in opinion poll after opinion poll. The larger the strike may be and the larger the blowback may be.
00:31:48.260
Now it may not be in the sense of having an independent of independent national populist party but independent
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national populist politicians may take over an existing party the way that they did with Donald Trump.
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Hmm interesting. We're talking with Ryan Gerdusky. He's the co-author of a book They're Not Listening.
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How the Elites Created the National Populist Revolution. You can buy the book directly at the Amazon.ca
00:32:12.620
link below this video by the way. Hey Ryan I got a question for you. In Canada anyone who
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expresses nationalist views or even patriotic views anyone who's a populist is immediately labeled
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far-right, alt-right, white supremacist, racist. The worst names thrown almost reflexively especially
00:32:36.560
by the media especially our state media here which is very large. And I listened to some of the countries
00:32:42.320
you referred to you mentioned Viktor Orban in Hungary completely smeared in our Canadian media
00:32:48.000
and most of the American media too. I know that David Goldberg who is a observant Jew went there
00:32:55.360
walked around with a Jewish yarmulke on and said he felt much more comfortable expressing himself
00:33:02.160
outwardly as a Jew there than in many Western leftist European countries. I think there's a myth and I think
00:33:09.280
there's a smear against national populists that they're anti-semitic or racist or even Nazi-like.
00:33:16.960
What do you make about that? What would you say to the establishment that says no no no national
00:33:24.320
populism that's just a fancy way of saying alt-right? Right so the way that the media likes to and there's
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a whole section about the media and how the media likes to characterize national populism and really
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promote fake news. The way the media likes to categorize these people is in the right-left
00:33:42.080
paradigm that we're used to understanding politics. But it's not really left or right because national
00:33:46.800
populists in many places support a very strong welfare state. They support raising workers' rights.
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Many support labor unions. Marine Le Pen is certainly much more economically progressive than most Democrats
00:34:00.560
in the United States for example. So it doesn't really work in the dichotomy of right versus left.
00:34:07.840
It's kind of a very lazy smear. But that's why the book talks about Modi. Modi is Indian representing a
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country that is 98 percent non-white. This democratic center in Colombia, the politicians in Chile, Angola.
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Angola has some of the strongest anti-illegal immigration politicians in the entire world is
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in a country that is all black that is opposed to illegal immigration from other black countries.
00:34:36.000
And the book has over 700 citations so it's very well researched where you can look at the fact that
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it's human nature to do things and to believe in principles like that cultures and countries and
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histories are important and worth preserving. And when you are forced things like diversity from mass
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diversity without the consent of the governed and over a very short period of time, trust breaks
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down. Not only trust among people who are different than you, but trust among people who are the same
00:35:02.960
as you. And there's a lacking of people willing to invest in institutions, the institutions that keep
00:35:08.560
governing societies together, that keep social institutions together, that keep the peace and keep
00:35:13.440
prosperity going. Without those things, really you see a breakdown in civilization and Generation Z, which
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is the most diverse generation in the United States, is the least trusting generation in the United
00:35:25.120
States. And I think that there is a very important part of that. You know, part of the great American
00:35:30.880
experiment of diversity and assimilation was 40 years of extremely low immigration levels from 1924 to 1965,
00:35:38.320
where we experienced the World War and the Korean War and the Vietnam War and mass technology and the
00:35:43.600
international highway system. And we kind of came together more and more and the Civil Rights Act
00:35:48.640
as a country. And we brought people in and we were able to assimilate. That can't happen so long as
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you have mass immigration. And this is part of human nature. It is not something that is unique to white
00:35:58.160
people or to brown people or to any kinds of people. It is unique to humans, all humans. And there have
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been social studies about people, you know, having those feelings towards other whites, towards other
00:36:08.640
blacks. Part of this, part of the media's reaction is truly because the media is very far, it was very
00:36:14.160
liberal. It's made a majority of white liberals. And there's been social science that sits there and
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says white liberals are the only people to actually, in the United States anyway, white liberals are the
00:36:23.680
only people to have a negative inflection towards other whites, towards their own inward
00:36:30.480
racial group. So while blacks look at other blacks and have warm feelings, same with Hispanics,
00:36:36.160
same with non-liberal whites, liberal whites look at other whites and actually have a negative bias
00:36:40.960
attributed to that. And I think that that is much part of the reason you sit there and see them
00:36:45.040
sitting there and wanting to smear anybody who talks about the preservation of history and culture
00:36:50.400
and traditions. That's incredible. You know, we use the phrase self-loathing amongst many liberals.
00:36:57.440
And I'm Jewish myself and I see even some vestigial Jews who have a self-loathing towards Israel
00:37:03.920
themselves. I think it's a real curse of liberalism that people are so desperate to prove how much they care
00:37:09.600
for others that they say, well, I'll just show how I despise myself. And I think we see a lot of that
00:37:14.880
ideology at play in the race riots of the last two weeks. I think you see extremism,
00:37:21.120
extreme anti, I don't even know what you call it. When I saw a police chief from Worcester, Massachusetts,
00:37:27.600
literally lying face down on the sidewalk as some sort of self-abnegation. That is just not normal.
00:37:35.120
That's not a normal thing to do. Well, part of it is people wanting to get along with the crowd.
00:37:40.640
And but part of it is a secular religion. I mean, and that's what they have created,
00:37:44.400
um, is a secular religion. We have, they have their own version of original sin. It's called white guilt.
00:37:49.520
Uh, and only salvation can be achieved by, by, by condemning your own original sin,
00:37:55.120
um, which is being, uh, of white guilt. You have, um, you have, you have practices, you have,
00:38:02.400
um, you have iconography. Now there is all the symbolism of a pagan religion. And this is what
00:38:08.480
happens when there's the loss of real religion. When you have the loss of real religion, you don't
00:38:12.880
end up having mass atheism or people just simply believing in science. You have people believing in
00:38:17.600
bumper sticker mentalities that sit there and fill that void of emptiness that is created by
00:38:23.840
neoliberalism and just by the, the mediocrity of their own lives. Uh, and, and, you know,
00:38:30.560
the, and that is what's happened to a lot of people in the wake of the last 30 to 40 years.
00:38:35.200
You can't fill those things up with just some corporatism and cheap televisions from China.
00:38:39.520
You have to have a real belief in the nation, the people, uh, and a common faith. You don't have
00:38:43.920
to be openly religious, but religious institutions are over are overwhelmingly positive in the sense that
00:38:50.640
religious people give more to charity. They're more likely to volunteer for things. Um, this has
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been re understood in social science for years and years and years and secular religion cannot replace
00:39:01.040
that. Um, and, but this is the secular religions attempt to in all, in all contexts. But going back
00:39:07.200
to the book of national populism, I think that this is the real way that, you know, Francis Fukuyama
00:39:13.200
back in the nineties said that history had come to an end, that neoliberalism was the way of the future.
00:39:17.840
And I think that this is the, I outline in the book really what national populists believe
00:39:22.000
there are nine principles. I sit there and write them out and really how the history of how they
00:39:26.960
have grown, the issues that they have ran on. And if you are a critic of national populism,
00:39:31.200
this explains it and explains the future we're going to have. If you continue to ignore the growth of
00:39:36.080
that, of that movement. Um, and if you are a supportive national populism, this really gives you the,
00:39:40.480
the facts and the figures and the statistics to really refine your arguments of why you may believe
00:39:45.520
what you believe. Maybe you don't understand the full argument of it or the social science behind
00:39:49.920
what you believe, but this will sit there and lay the groundwork for you. Yeah. Well,
00:39:53.200
I am very excited about this book. Let me just read one sentence from your promotional brochure that
00:39:58.800
really struck a chord with me. Issues like mass immigration, war, economic inequality and national
00:40:05.680
sovereignty were sacrosanct to neoliberals. And ultimately their unwillingness to concede on these
00:40:10.240
issues built discontent among millions of people. Some of those issues traditionally being the left.
00:40:16.560
It used to be the left was anti-war. It used to be the left, uh, was worried about free trade.
00:40:22.720
Yeah. Trump is the, uh, president bringing the soldiers home. Trump is the one who's fighting
00:40:29.120
China on trade like Obama never did, like Clinton never did. I think that Donald Trump's wisdom,
00:40:34.880
and maybe it's just innate and natural. I don't know if he's thought it through. He is a better
00:40:40.000
blue collar president than the official parties that left. Right. Well, and that's why I said in
00:40:45.840
the beginning of this segment that, um, it's to say it's far right is really a lazy condemnation
00:40:52.480
of, of national populace because it isn't traditional, right? I mean, there's not economic
00:40:57.120
libertarianism running through the veins of most of these leaders and most of these political parties
00:41:01.440
and these political movements. It's the understanding that your fellow patriot, your fellow countrymen
00:41:06.160
deserves respectability, deserves a life worth living and shouldn't be left out in the cold.
00:41:11.280
And if, if, if they have misfortunes of life that many, many, many people have, um, and raising national
00:41:17.360
standards for the betterment of everybody. But what happens is when you have mass immigration and you
00:41:22.720
see the abuse of that, or you see, um, not the abuse of the welfare system, but also, um, giving to
00:41:28.400
people who just came or seeing demands from people who just came to your country to alter your way of
00:41:32.960
life, people grow in distrust of those institutions. They don't want to give as much. They don't want
00:41:37.040
to care as much. And it creates a complete lack. And when you do have a dynamic candidate like a
00:41:41.200
Donald Trump or a Modi or a Salvini or a Le Pen, uh, or the Law and Justice Party or Victor Orban,
00:41:47.200
I can go on and on and on and on. Uh, uh, you will have them sitting there and saying, yeah, we,
00:41:51.760
we shouldn't believe in this. We should reject this. And it's in every continent on the globe.
00:41:56.080
It's not a white thing. It's not a European thing. It's not a, it's not a Republican thing
00:42:00.000
or our conservative party thing or people's party thing. This is a human thing. This is a
00:42:04.560
part of humanity. This is part of the way human nature works. And as we've seen with the left,
00:42:09.280
they are, their demands to rewire human nature in a vision that suits them is not sustainable.
00:42:15.680
And it doesn't, it doesn't work. It just doesn't ever seem to work since the French Revolution.
00:42:20.000
Um, and that's why they're promoting this new secular religion and hope it fills the void of,
00:42:25.040
of, you know, God, country and flag. But I don't think that it will. And there are millions of people
00:42:29.920
right now who are fuming and who are angry and, you know, they're afraid of being called a racist
00:42:34.400
and they're afraid of losing their jobs or being socially ostracized. But those feelings are there
00:42:38.240
and they will pen them up in the ballot box when they can be completely themselves with anybody else
00:42:43.280
around them. Well, I have to tell you, I mean, I talked to authors from time to time
00:42:49.440
about books that are of interest, but the way you describe your book,
00:42:53.920
it's like it sums up everything I've been talking about with our viewers here for years.
00:42:59.600
And even our foreign travels, when we traveled to the United Kingdom and we met Geert Wilders in
00:43:04.800
Amsterdam and our observations, I have to say, I am looking forward to this book greatly. And I know it
00:43:11.120
goes on sale next week. I am going to order. It's on pre-sale. That's right. Oh, that's right.
00:43:15.680
It's published next week. I was, what I meant to say was, you can order it now. I'm going to order
00:43:20.160
this now. I can hardly wait to read it. There's so many things. And I look forward to your treatment
00:43:26.240
of Quebec because I think you, I think you exactly spotted it. And you've just spoken more about the
00:43:31.360
true nature of the Coalition Avenue in Quebec than most Canadian journalists do. And you're not even a
00:43:36.000
Canadian. I can hardly wait to read it once I actually go through it. Maybe you can do us the
00:43:42.640
favor. I know you're busy with the book tour now, but once I go through it, I might have some
00:43:46.080
questions. Maybe you could do us a favor of coming back again and we'll certainly put the link.
00:43:51.280
Well, I have enjoyed this conversation. I follow you on Twitter and I really recommend that. And we'll
00:43:56.160
put your Twitter handle on the screen because you're always talking about these issues in a
00:44:01.360
provocative way to get my attention, but a substantive way. I've learned a lot even in
00:44:06.480
this conversation. I'm very grateful to you. And I, I'm sure it will be a best slow. I certainly
00:44:10.640
hope it will be. And I'll contribute to that myself. Well, thank you so much. I think it's
00:44:14.560
really important. You know, there's a lot of people who are sitting there and trying to jump on the
00:44:18.400
movement because they can sell stuff. And I was a Donald Trump supporter the day he walked down that
00:44:22.560
escalator. It's, I remember being five years old and telling my parents to vote for Ross Perot.
00:44:27.280
I, this has been something in my veins since I was a child and I have learned more to understand.
00:44:31.920
And I think that the best way to fight, um, those willing to suppress national populism is not by
00:44:37.840
just incendiary comments or, um, you know, fighting them. It's fighting them on the facts and the
00:44:42.880
statistics and, and the information and the studies using their own knowledge against them. I mean,
00:44:46.960
I cite the Cato Institute to talk about why mass immigration is wrong. Um, and I think that that's
00:44:51.600
very, very, very important is to use their own words and their own studies against them and try to
00:44:56.640
enlighten people to be the best forms of debaters and fighters and patriots that they could possibly
00:45:01.040
be. Well, you know what? I think I'm going to order that book and I'm going to do a book review
00:45:04.560
of it in video form. You've got me so roughed up about it. I'll let you go. Cause I know you're
00:45:08.560
busy on tour. Uh, it's a virtual tour, but it's, that's how it is. Well, there you have it. Thanks so
00:45:14.560
much for your time. And, uh, I look forward to following you on Twitter and talking to you again.
00:45:19.200
Thank you so much. All right. There you have it, Ryan, James Gerdusky,
00:45:22.160
along with Harlan Hill, the coauthors of the new book. They're not listening how the elites created
00:45:27.200
the national populist revolution. You can buy the book now in a pre order. I'm going to do that right
00:45:33.920
now. And, um, it's going to be released next week and I can have the wait to read it. What do you think?
00:45:52.240
Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday. John writes 1000% self-defense. He might as well have
00:45:58.480
been out for a Sunday drive. I've seen far more aggressive drivers putting our motorways at risk
00:46:03.040
while commuting to work in Ottawa on any average morning of the week. Yeah, I do not believe he was
00:46:08.560
looking for trouble. I think he went down that street, sort of panicked, thought he would scooch
00:46:13.520
through, but he braked within one second. I think obviously he didn't want trouble. Um,
00:46:20.800
but trouble came to him. Sharon writes, good guy. No question. If the cops aren't going to help,
00:46:27.360
you help yourself. We're in survival mode. By the way, we're talking about that car in Seattle. If you
00:46:32.240
didn't catch on, uh, where the guy was mobbed, shot someone who was carjacking him and then
00:46:38.960
immediately turned himself into police. They called him a white supremacist. But in fact,
00:46:43.600
he's Hispanic. Nicholas Fernandez is his name. On my interview with Mayor Tusi,
00:46:49.680
Ron writes, Mayor Tusi is a sensible, common sense guy. Yeah. I had actually never heard of him before.
00:46:56.400
I mean, it's a big world out there and he's in the UK, but I thought, who is this fellow
00:47:01.520
getting up at dawn to go and scrub the statue of Winston Churchill? Who is that guy? Well,
00:47:08.640
I thought he was very interesting. Didn't you? Seems like a friendly fellow. I'm going to follow him
00:47:12.880
on YouTube and who knows, maybe he'll even do some videos for us from time to time, but I was glad to meet
00:47:17.120
him. Well, that's our show for today. What did you think of my show, my monologue today? Did you know
00:47:23.040
those things about Canada and slavery? Did you know that we abolished the slave trade in the 1790s?
00:47:32.080
I didn't know that. Did you know the British Empire actually took out a loan for more than a hundred
00:47:37.680
years, a massive mortgage to redeem every slave in the British Empire? I did not know that. And did
00:47:43.680
you know they had a full-time Navy squadron that for 50 years hunted down slave ships? I did not know
00:47:51.680
that because, alas, I went to government schools. Well, that's our show for the day. Until tomorrow,
00:47:58.400
on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.