A trans rights activist is trying to use a quasi-judicial court system to force women, primarily immigrant women, who have English as a second language, to touch their male genitals. It s almost too crazy to believe. So, what happens when social justice collides with women s rights? I asked that question tonight, and my guest is John Carpe from the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms.
00:01:42.380We are asking skeptical questions of the organizers of this conference, especially in light of how Justin Trudeau's government has promised to crack down on social media and fake news,
00:01:54.360and in light of the UK government's treatment of Tommy Robinson.
00:01:58.940But tonight, I still have to do my normal work, my normal job, because I have to give the people what they pay for.
00:02:05.700Tonight, I have a crazy story to bring you.
00:02:09.740It's about a trans rights activist who is trying to use a quasi-judicial court system to force women, primarily immigrant women,
00:02:23.060women who have English as a second language, to touch their male genitals.
00:02:32.620So, tonight I called in John Carpe from the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms.
00:02:38.260His lawyers are on the case defending these women in British Columbia,
00:02:41.980and he joins me in an interview I recorded before I left for the UK.
00:03:02.620So, joining me now to make sense of this wild and crazy case is John Carpe from the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms,
00:03:10.680because, boy, we need a lawyer to make sense of this one.
00:03:15.640John, can you give us a bit of a backgrounder about just what's going on here?
00:03:22.100Because there's, you know, there's some serious history beyond what's before the courts today and again next week.
00:03:31.180Back in the spring of 2018, an individual who we refer to as JY filed human rights complaints against more than a dozen Vancouver-area women
00:03:43.340who provide the service of a Brazilian bikini-wax to other women.
00:03:48.880And JY is a transgender person, the trans woman, but with male genitalia.
00:03:57.200The BC Human Rights Tribunal has issued an order requiring that the name be anonymized.
00:05:56.840There's a, in the press release, it cites a May 30th, 2019 ruling
00:06:01.620where the BC Human Rights Tribunal expressed concerns about the rights of transgender women
00:06:07.980to access gender-affirming care such as waxing.
00:06:12.100And the tribunal called this critical, even if this is a very intimate service
00:06:18.280that is sometimes performed by women who are themselves vulnerable.
00:06:22.460And it said that JY has a genuine grievance about pervasive discrimination against transgender women.
00:06:28.920I mean, this is really quite horrifying to me.
00:06:33.420Well, you're reading straight out of the tribunal's own ruling, May 30th.
00:06:40.360And I am shocked at how there is no media at the Human Rights Tribunal on Thursday, July 4th.
00:06:48.800Here you've got a transgender person claiming discrimination
00:06:54.020because JY is not getting the Brazilian bikini wax.
00:07:00.180And at the same time, you've got women, racialized women or women of color, visible minority women.
00:07:09.040You would think the media would be all over this because it's kind of an interesting paradox and conflict.
00:07:15.460This is the kind of conflict you get with human rights laws.
00:07:19.700And it seems to be a boycott because, and I'm speculating here, I don't know why.
00:07:25.180Because otherwise, this is a very interesting case.
00:07:27.480I mean, there's an expert testified on July the 4th as to how doing a bro-zillion, man-zillion bikini wax on men
00:07:37.100is a different procedure requiring different wax.
00:07:40.360I mean, this was, we've got JY getting cross-examined about JY's genitalia because JY is, it's almost unmentionable.
00:07:50.000You would think the media would be out in full force, but I think that they are trying to boycott this
00:07:55.620in the sense that what JY is asking for is actually in a, you know, you and I might say twisted sort of way.
00:08:05.380It, what, what JY is asking for is actually consistent with the whole transgender ideology that if our gender is based on our feelings, right?
00:08:17.940So if I, if I feel like a woman, I am a woman, if that's true, and if everybody else needs to be forced to go along with that,
00:08:24.640then JY, logically, you take it to its logical conclusion, uh, these, these women should be forced to deal with male parts
00:08:32.760because, uh, reality should be trumped by JY's gender identity and feelings.
00:08:39.840So these are real live issues, but I, I think the, uh, uh, it's a bit of an embarrassment to, um,
00:08:47.720to this progressive ideology when you have to take things to their logical conclusion.
00:08:55.640Well, you know, and it's just not a media blackout.
00:08:59.880I mean, hello, where are the feminists?
00:09:02.300These vulnerable women are being targeted by this, uh, serial human rights complainer.
00:09:09.420Um, where are the immigrants, the immigrants rights advocates?
00:09:13.600I mean, he's make, sorry, JY, and I don't want, I don't, I don't, I don't need a human rights complaint filed against me.
00:09:23.980JY, um, has made, and again, this is directly from the tribunal, uh, that the tribunal was troubled that some of JY's comments made within the process
00:09:34.560and online suggest that JY holds stereotypical and negative views about immigrants to Canada.
00:09:39.880Where are the immigrant rights people to stand up for these women?
00:09:44.780Um, you know, the, I, I think, uh, there's a media blackout and all these other social justice groups are avoiding this topic because like you state,
00:09:57.960This is where all these rights hammer into each other.
00:10:01.860And how do you decide whose rights trump whose rights?
00:10:06.660I mean, and, and, and from what I've heard, um, it's quite the spectacle happening down at the courthouse.
00:10:15.000Well, because JY, uh, well, JY has, has made statements online, uh, to the effect that, uh, that JY has male genitalia.
00:10:27.860Uh, and, and, and that's also in some of his, uh, conversations with the women when he's seeking, uh, bikini wax.
00:10:35.280Uh, although he's now stated before the tribunal that his account got hacked and he never said that,
00:10:40.620but there was cross-examination on Thursday, July 4th, um, about JY's private parts and what are they?
00:10:48.720And, you know, this is, this is where we're at in 2019 with, uh, with the transgender agenda where, where, um, in a, in a BC human rights tribunal,
00:10:59.720there's cross-examination about what somebody's parts are because the tribunal said this is relevant to the women, uh, wanting to refuse to provide the service.
00:11:09.840So that was part of the, uh, the testimony.
00:11:13.520The other thing that, that took place Thursday, July 4th was, uh, an expert, uh, witness who was a lady who does manzillions or brozillions.
00:11:23.580So a lady with male clients who does the waxing of the groin area to get rid of hair.
00:11:30.880And, uh, so this woman testified in, in court and, and explained that in a lot of cases, uh, men get aroused.
00:11:38.620And in some cases, men want sexual services and sexual favors.
00:11:43.240And this kind of confirms the worst fears of the women who have refused to provide the service.
00:11:49.560You know, I feel like your justice center lawyers working on this case are really learning a lot.
00:11:55.700We've learned too much about some things that we would otherwise be blissfully ignorant about.
00:12:02.980Uh, I also question where the reasonable transgender people are on this, because as a woman, this feels a lot to me, like just some pervert who is using the justice system or rather a tribunal system to basically sexual, sexually assault women.
00:12:21.600Um, he's J-Y, this person is, um, you know, using a tribunal system to compel unwilling women to touch male genitals.
00:12:34.560Surely, surely there's a reasonable transgender person out there who thinks, no, this isn't really a good thing for our movement to be latching onto is what seems to me as a woman.
00:12:46.780Um, this seems like a serial predator to me.
00:12:51.480Well, this pits the, it, it puts the, puts the, puts the ideology on trial in a way.
00:12:58.720Because the whole, um, you know, adding gender identity and gender expression to human rights legislation that swept through rather quietly, uh, all over the place because, well, maybe if, if this case had arisen a few years earlier, there might've been some opposition to it.
00:13:18.160But this, this gets to the heart of, uh, can you force other people to go along with your feelings of self-identification?
00:13:30.540So again, the example, right, if, if, uh, if you feel like a man, Sheila, then are you actually a man?
00:13:38.020And do I have to agree with, with you and call you sir, or vice versa?
00:13:41.700If I feel like a woman, does that really make me a woman?
00:13:45.200And does the whole world then have to call me, you know, uh, Mrs. or Ms. or, or she or her?
00:13:53.040And this is, this is at the heart of it.
00:13:55.020Because if in fact, if in fact, uh, gender is based on feelings and self-identification, well, then, then J.Y. would be correct in saying that, that human rights are being violated by not getting this service.
00:14:10.960Uh, but we're on the side of the women.
00:14:15.080And, uh, you know, in the same way that, uh, you've probably heard of the trans, uh, transabled, uh, people that feel that they're handicapped and they're born into, uh, a physically whole body.
00:14:29.800They're, they're living in the wrong body, you know, so I should be somebody that's paralyzed, but I'm trapped in the body of somebody that can walk, or I should be somebody, I feel like I'm, I ought to be blind.
00:14:40.940And I'm born into, uh, a non-blind body, uh, you know, for, for those cases, uh, typically most people say, oh, well, help them with a psychological disorder to integrate, uh, their bodily integrity, uh, right.
00:14:58.060And give them, give them counseling so that they no longer feel unhappy about being able to see or being able to walk yet for when it comes to gender, uh, we seem to throw that out the window.
00:15:10.940You know, I'm all, I'm old enough to remember just two years ago when conservatives were worried about compelled speech and the state forcing us to use certain pronouns under fear of, you know, tribunals coming after us.
00:15:24.000And now just two short years later, we are talking about compelled genital fondling or genital touching.
00:15:30.940I mean, it's, this is how fast this snowball is rolling down the hill.
00:15:38.280You know, the only, uh, well, and you see it, you see that, uh, and this might be a little bit off topic, but this is being pushed a lot in schools, right.
00:15:49.000Where, uh, kids are, uh, five-year-old kids are, are being taught in some cases, there is no such thing as a boy or a girl and, you know, telling a boy, you might not really be a boy.
00:16:01.920You might actually be a girl and, and telling girls, well, you might actually be a boy.
00:16:07.160This is all very, uh, it, it's sinister and diabolical.
00:16:11.640It's creating a lot of, uh, a lot of confusion and, uh, in some cases harm to children.
00:16:17.280Uh, there's, uh, I'm sure you've heard of a recent case in Ontario.
00:16:21.360Uh, this is not a justice center case, but, uh, parents are, uh, suing the school board or it might be a human rights complaint, um, over how their daughter was damaged by being exposed to this kind of propaganda.
00:16:36.360Yeah, I, you know, it's, it's really scary how fast this is moving, um, but thankfully we have people like the good folks at the justice center who are willing to take these cases and, you know, help these women, especially these vulnerable, uh, immigrant women navigate this system that must just be horrifying to them.
00:16:57.940Um, how can people, uh, support the justice center and in turn support these women from what I understand, the hearings are actually open to the public and there's one coming up on the 17th, 17th in British Columbia.
00:17:10.820And, uh, you know, I think it would be great if people showed up just to support them, even though the media isn't there to tell their story.
00:17:27.040One of our clients actually was turned down by 26 lawyers and law firms, uh, before she learned of the availability of the justice center to, uh, to, to provide representation.
00:17:40.500Now of the 26, I think some of them had good reasons for saying no in that maybe they, they don't practice in human rights law at all.
00:17:50.440And a smart lawyer will try to avoid, you know, jumping into things that, that, that he or she is not familiar with.
00:17:57.820So, you know, that's all fair and good, but there were others who are quite qualified.
00:18:02.340They're terrified of the trans lobby and its rainbow flag allies.
00:18:06.440And they're terrified of being called, uh, transphobic, transphobic bigot, hateful, transphobic bigot.
00:18:13.860People are terrified of the name calling.
00:18:16.420So one woman actually was, it was turned down by 26 lawyers and firms before getting representation, uh, from us.
00:18:23.900And so we do, we do rely, if people want more information on the case, they're welcome to go to our website, www.jccf.ca.
00:18:33.420So JCCF, Justice Center, Constitutional Freedoms.
00:18:36.560Uh, and we gladly accept donations in support of our work, uh, because our funding is a hundred percent from people who support, uh, the work that we're doing.
00:18:46.240We do not ask for, do not receive any government funding.
00:18:50.640And so, uh, you know, we appreciate support, uh, from the public for our work.
00:18:55.600Yeah, it's nice to have a legal arm like the J, the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, um, out there on the front lines of the culture war, the way you are.
00:19:04.860Uh, John, I want to thank you so much for, uh, being so generous with your time today.
00:19:08.820And, uh, you know, I wish you and your team the best of luck on the 17th, and we'll be following this very closely.
00:19:31.460Boy, I don't know about you, but I am sure glad that John Carpe and his team at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms are fighting these battles for freedom.
00:19:39.100These battles that are almost too crazy to believe.
00:19:43.380Well, I want to thank everybody at home also for tuning in tonight to watch this abbreviated version of the gun show while Ezra and I are here in the UK doing our part to fight for freedom.
00:19:55.960And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.