This “one very simple question” about Trudeau and SNC-Lavalin still needs to be asked
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Why should others go to jail when you re the biggest carbon consumer in the world? Why is SNC-Lavalin not facing criminal charges? And why did the Prime Minister s office try to get rid of two of his own women cabinet ministers?
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Hello, my Rebels. I have one very simple question about SNC-Lavalin.
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There's a lot of complicated questions, wouldn't you say?
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There's a lot of details and rules and intrigues, and, you know, it's really interesting.
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It's, I guess you could even call it like a soap opera, but there's one very, very simple question that I get into today.
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I'll tell you what the question is. You'll have to listen to the show for my answer.
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All right, without further ado, here's my show.
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Tonight, there are lots of complicated questions about Trudeau and SNC-Lavalin,
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but I have one very simple question I'd like to ask.
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It's April 4th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right to do so.
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Another day, another front-page story about Justin Trudeau's disastrous handling of the SNC-Lavalin scandal.
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As you know, a couple of days ago, he sacked his two top cabinet ministers who were women.
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And I'm not talking about the comic relief of Mariam Monsaf.
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I'm not talking about the shrieking global warming cult leader.
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Who remembers the extreme heat that we felt last summer?
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Who remembers that people literally died of extreme heat?
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Now, I'm talking about two professional women who had successful careers of accomplishment before they were recruited to run for office.
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I'm talking about Jane Philpott, a doctor, and Jody Wilson-Raybould, a lawyer and crown prosecutor.
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In fact, it's drowning out most other things that Trudeau wants to talk about, like his new carbon tax.
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Now, I don't believe the carbon tax is a political winner for Trudeau, but he thinks it is.
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But no one's really talking about it other than the CBC state broadcaster, because they have to.
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Everyone else in the media is just watching this slow-motion car crash of the SNC-Lavalin matter, which will turn two months old this week.
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The state broadcaster has run all sorts of attacks against Philpott and Wilson-Raybould, and none of them have worked.
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Wilson-Raybould set multiple conditions for ending the rift with Trudeau, say sources.
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Weeks of tense negotiations preceded the PM's highly controversial decision to eject two high-profile MPs.
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Maybe power or a promotion or something crass like that?
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Jody Wilson-Raybould just really wanted them to stop corrupting the process of criminal prosecutions
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and to get rid of those henchmen who were responsible for it.
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Get rid of the rotten apples before they rotted the whole barrel of apples.
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Over the course of the secret discussions, it emerged that Wilson-Raybould had a list of
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at least five conditions that could help end the civil war that has been tearing the government
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The first three conditions involved staff changes at the very summit of the government.
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The sources said Wilson-Raybould wanted Trudeau to fire his principal secretary, Gerald Butts,
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along with the clerk of the Privy Council, Michael Wernick, and PMO senior advisor, Mathieu Bouchard.
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As you know, Gerald Butts, in fact, did quit quite unexpectedly very soon after this story
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Now, I think he should have been fired, given his outrageously unprofessional and partisan
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remarks in Parliament that showed he was out of control and untrustworthy.
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Mathieu Bouchard, he was one of the PMO staff who was pushing to let the corrupt SNC-Lavalin off
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And so, yeah, we've already got two out of those three gone.
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Frankly, this is what anyone who actually wanted to fix the problem would recommend.
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It doesn't have to come from Jody Wilson-Raybould.
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Any wise old hand would say, you've got to get rid of these troublemakers.
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Wilson-Raybould's wishes went beyond a limited house cleaning in the PMO.
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Sources said she also sought assurances that her replacement as Attorney General, David
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Lamedi, would not overrule Director of Public Prosecutions Kathleen Roussel and direct her
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to give SNC-Lavalin a deferred prosecution agreement.
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Wilson-Raybould also wanted Justin Trudeau to admit publicly or to caucus alone that his
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office acted inappropriately in its attempts to convince her to consider granting SNC-Lavalin
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Again, this is a pretty modest request, and it's nothing for her benefit.
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Can you promise not to keep trying to interfere?
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In fact, how is that that Trudeau hasn't made these decisions, done these things on his own
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And that last point, that Trudeau would just admit that his office's course of action was
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I mean, unless Trudeau still thinks everything they did was fine?
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Does Justin Trudeau, after these two disastrous months, after the departure of his best friend
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and Principal Secretary, Gerald Butts, the departure of the Clerk of the Privy Council and two top
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cabinet administration, does he actually think that everything was okay and he did nothing
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If he won't agree to sack the staff who pushed his interference, if he won't agree to promise
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not to do it anymore, then he probably wouldn't admit that his office was wrong, would he?
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Now, I'm not sure how tenable that position would be.
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If nothing's wrong, why indeed did Wernick and Butts quit?
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And does that mean that maybe they'll be coming back now that the real trouble, Jody Wilson-Raybould
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Let me show you a bizarre TV clip of Trudeau speaking to a group of young women who visited
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Remember, almost 50 of these young women, when Trudeau spoke, as you can see here, they
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It's sort of incredible, given how much he's sold himself as a male feminist.
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I think he's destroyed that reputation these past two months.
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They all think he's just like a Gian Gomeschi character now, a groper, which, of course,
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Anyways, to the young women who didn't turn their backs on him, here's what he said.
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I know nobody in here wants to have to pick who to believe between Jody Wilson-Raybould
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Nobody wants to know that one person has to be right and another person has to be wrong
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There are always going to be a range of perspectives that we need to listen to.
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First of all, he actually forgot Jane Philpott's name, which is weird.
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He reframed this whole crisis as just something between quarreling women.
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So this whole problem these past two months hasn't been about him.
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The problem is between a couple of quarrelsome women, Jody Wilson-Raybould and Chrystia Freeland.
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I don't know anyone else who would get that close to some of these women
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Why are you coming nose to nose with these women?
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Trudeau is playing a weird sociopathic political game here.
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He's changing the historical facts with a straight face, daring you,
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This wasn't about him trying to bully Jody Wilson-Raybould.
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This is about Jody Wilson-Raybould fighting with Chrystia Freeland.
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This isn't about him doing something that Jane Philpott disapproved of.
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It's because she was fighting with Catherine McKenna.
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McKenna and Freeland had nothing to do with this.
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But it served to exonerate himself psychologically,
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so he doesn't have to take any responsibility for his screw-ups.
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It's like what he said about the woman he groped in Creston, B.C., Rose Knight.
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Like I said, I do not feel that I acted inappropriately in any way.
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But I respect the fact that someone else might have experienced that differently.
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That's exactly what he did in this case, too, wasn't it?
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Each of these interactions was a conversation among colleagues
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Each came at a time when my staff and I believed
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that the former Minister of Justice and Attorney General
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was open to considering other aspects of the public interest.
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However, I now understand that she saw it differently.
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You know, Justin Trudeau makes a public apology about once a month,
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usually involving giving away our tax dollars to someone.
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He gave $10 million to Omar Khadar with a public apology.
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But always for something that someone else did.
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In fact, by apologizing for what other people did,
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it's his oblique way of saying, I'm better than them.
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I think Trudeau psychologically refuses to apologize for himself
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because, like a sociopath, he finds a way to blame everything on everyone else.
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That's why he did that weird Freeland and McKenna thing,
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even in the privacy of caucus, that his office was wrong.
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That's why he won't rule out still doing this SNC-Lavalin deal,
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because he's morally incapable of admitting he's ever wrong.
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I think he lies to himself as much as he lies to us.
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Oh, quick clip from Question Period yesterday that shows this.
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The Attorney General reports that she looked the Prime Minister in the eye
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and said, are you interfering with my role as Attorney General?
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Does the Prime Minister remember her saying any such thing?
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And, Mr. Speaker, once she said that, I responded, no, I am not.
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And she then committed to revisit and look into the decision once again, Mr. Speaker.
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All these are elements in the testimony that we have heard,
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that the Justice Committee examined exhaustively.
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But once again, we see the member opposite is desperate to talk about anything other than our budget,
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anything other than the economic growth we're putting forward,
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anything other than our concrete plan to fight climate change,
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See, the trouble with lying is it's hard to keep a lie straight in your memory.
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So Trudeau accidentally admitted that Jody Wilson and Mabel did, in fact,
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Well, funny because he said something different when he was first asked about it.
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In regards to the matter of SNC-Lavalin, let me be direct.
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The government of Canada did its job and, to the clear public standards, expected of it.
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If anyone felt differently, they had an obligation to raise that with me.
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No wonder Jody Wilson Mabel is so insistent that he acknowledge his office was wrong.
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And he will sink his whole career over this if he has to.
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Holy moly, that is a lot of pride and arrogance.
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I think that's the most likely explanation for why Trudeau has let this small problem turn into a big problem
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that's, in fact, devouring his entire government.
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And that has him so far behind in the polls, he would lose an election today.
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And it's that he really, really needs this SNC-Lavalin matter to go away.
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Because if it actually goes to trial, and if actual facts come out, perhaps it will become an extinction-level event.
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Like a comet hitting the dinosaurs for him and his party by revealing something that we don't yet know about that might be lurking.
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The federal Crown Corporation investigating claim it backed SNC-Lavalin on corrupt Angola dam contract.
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Export Development Canada is reviewing its decision to provide up to half a billion dollars worth of insurance in 2011
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After learning of an allegation, the company may have won the bid with help from bribes.
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The Crown Corporation, which acts as a credit agency for Canadian firms looking to do business abroad,
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says it could widen its investigation to scrutinize other deals it struck over the years
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with the construction and engineering firm, likely worth several billion dollars combined.
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These are other bribes on top of the bribes they're being prosecuted for in the case we've been following.
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And then, of course, there's the bribes to get the Montreal Hospital contract.
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And don't confuse those with the bribes to get the bridge.
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There's lots of bribing going on almost all the time, it seems.
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Hey, what do you think the chances are that if this current case about the Libyan bribes went to trial,
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well, that maybe some facts might come out about a bribe that we don't actually know about yet,
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hasn't been aired yet, hasn't been revealed yet.
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A few years back, just about every senior Liberal Party politician in Quebec,
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at a certain level, was charged with corruption.
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Do you think that maybe that's behind this intransigence by Trudeau?
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If it turns out his Liberal Party took millions in bribes, though,
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or some other extreme fact that we don't know about now,
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but that seems to be how SNC-Lavalin operates, would you agree?
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Well, then his chances of winning would go to zero.
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I have no idea what details of corruption would emerge in a trial about corruption
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Did you know he used to be the clerk of the Privy Council in Ottawa?
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And you know the lawyer working for SNC-Lavalin on this whole, you know, DPA thing?
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He just happens to be Frank Iacobucci, a former Supreme Court of Canada judge who also works
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now for Justin Trudeau on the Trans Mountain Pipeline project.
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So yeah, those are just connections we know about.
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But I wonder what we don't know about and that we'd find out about at a criminal trial
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As far as I know, they're all clean as a whistle.
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I still think Trudeau won't fix this problem because the reason is he's too stubborn to admit
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there's a problem other than the quarrel between some women.
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I think it's high self-regard that has caused this problem to continue.
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I mean, why didn't he accept the thoughtful recommendations of Jody Wilson-Rabel to settle
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That was actually really good legal advice that she gave him those five conditions.
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But maybe, just maybe, Justin Trudeau or those around him know that there is a lot worse
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to come, much, much, much worse to come if this criminal prosecution actually goes to
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trial and that maybe, maybe any other price that he has to pay, any other humiliation is
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less painful than the full truth coming out in a trial.
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A group of radical black activists who started swearing at them and shouting racial epithets
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and then one aboriginal protester who famously walked right up to the face of one of the
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teenagers banging a drum and that young man stood very quiet, smiling and not saying a
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Well, the media saw that young man's red Make America Great Again hat and they had the story
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This was a racist teenager who had trapped the aboriginal man and insulted him racially.
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CNN, Washington Post, the whole media jumped on that kid and demonized him.
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And soon his own school threw him under the bus, metaphorically, the school and the local bishop denouncing that young man, Nicholas Sandman, and his entire class.
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It took days for the truth to get its boots laced up and for fuller video to be seen showing that, in fact, Nicholas Sandman and his classmates conducted themselves perfectly.
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It was the black and aboriginal activists that were the ones doing the racial epithets and no, Nicholas Sandman did not swarm or surround that aboriginal man.
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There's a lesson there about not bowing into the media mob and not allowing leftists online to demonize you.
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But the reason I tell you all this is because I don't think that lesson has been learned here in Toronto.
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And this time we're talking not about a Catholic school, but a Jewish school, a trip to Washington.
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Nonetheless, a trip to a pro-Israel advocacy event, a conference called APAC, where students from a Jewish high school called CHAT, Community Hebrew Academy of Toronto,
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went down to Washington, and they met with a pro-Israel activist that you might know.
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He's a former rebel contributor, Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
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Well, they met with Dr. Gorka, and he gave them a big pro-Israel pep talk.
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Here's an excerpt from that meeting that was recorded.
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I don't have scars on my wrists from where they hanged me, from the ceiling of the torture chamber.
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So my message to you, and it's not a cop-out, because I've lived it and I have the right to say it.
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Never, ever give up, and never let them get away with it.
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And every time we say, oh, I'm not going to risk my grades, or I don't want to get kicked out of the cool kids club at school,
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so I'm going to just not comment when they say BDS is cool.
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Every time they do that, a soul cries out, saying, will you not stand for my memory?
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That's just a short excerpt from a one-hour presentation that Dr. Gorka made to these kids.
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Very emotional, very passionate, talking about his own father's fiscal torture at the hands of authoritarians
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and how Gorka himself is now a pro-Israel activist.
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Can you imagine that such a positive meeting, encouraging these kids, was turned into, I know it's hard to believe,
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Left-wing extremists online, just as they had done to the Covington Catholic kids,
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said that Dr. Gorka was anti-Semitic in some way,
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even though he was giving a pro-Israel talk at a pro-Israel conference to pro-Israel Jewish kids.
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And before long, just like Covington Catholic did in Kentucky,
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that school in Toronto threw their own teacher and students to the Wolves,
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sending out a letter to their entire community, including their alumni,
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denouncing the visit, saying if only they had known they would never have approved it,
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and saying that a teacher who attended the meeting, Aviva Polonsky,
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inappropriately tweeted pictures and praise of Dr. Gorka.
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honored to finally meet the great Seb Gorka, the former deputy assistant to Donald Trump
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I should point out that in addition to this teacher, Aviva Polonsky,
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But nonetheless, the school bowed down to the Internet leftists
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Well, I didn't mention it on my show last week,
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but in a video on YouTube, we set up a petition called StandWithAviva.com.
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Aviva being the teacher who was blamed by the school.
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Joining us now via Skype from Vancouver is an alumnus of CHAT
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who agrees that the school should not have thrown the teacher and the students to the wolves.
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You've actually put together a petition of your own
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Well, I saw the manufactured outrage and I knew that Sebastian Gorka is not a Nazi,
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Everything he's done in the past, everything we've seen from him,
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everything he's produced shows very clearly that he's vehemently pro-Israel,
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They're based on vague associations he had back when he was in Hungary.
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And from my perspective, it seems, you know, Hungary is a somewhat anti-Semitic country.
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It might be hard to get around politics without meeting anti-Semitic people.
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But everything Gorka said is pro-Jewish, pro-Israel.
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What irritated me the most was not that false accusations would be made about Gorka.
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I mean, that's life when you're the former deputy assistant of the president.
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But that the school would cave so quickly and would blame the teacher, Aviva,
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and pretend they had no knowledge of this event, sort of push it off on her,
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when in fact they approved this event to begin with and a vice principal attended it.
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It didn't shock me that a bunch of online leftists tried to bully the school.
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What shocked me is that the school caved in so quickly.
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The school usually is very proud to display views from across the political spectrum.
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But I think this might be a symbol of the times we're in
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and that the school is so willing to give into pressure.
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Yeah, you know, the Covington Catholic school kids,
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because they were literally standing outside at a memorial
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were by supposedly reputable news or agencies like the Washington Post.
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But in this case, the school knew everything in advance
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and at the time, like I say, the teacher was there,
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the vice principal was there, the kids looked thrilled.
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So it's not like they had a chance to be misinformed by the fake news media,
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I don't, I am still angry at the Covington Catholic school
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But at least they have the excuse that the Washington Post lied about the facts.
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In this case, it was just some Twitter trolls on the left
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They're just sort of really, really mad that it happened.
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Do you think, do you think that the school regrets overreacting
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or do you think they, they actually mean what they said
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in that bizarre smear letter that they sent around?
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Well, the school's apology didn't seem overly sincere.
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It seemed more like they were just trying to get out some sort of apology
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I think a lot of it was just trying to avoid controversy
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and they may have not realized that that would actually contribute to more.
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And also I think a lot of it was that there was no real voice
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in support of Polanski when they sent out that letter.
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The only people who I heard really talking about it outside of the CJN,
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which was reporting pretty unbiasedly on it, was we saw IJV or Independent Jewish Voices
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make a bunch of Facebook posts, a few tweets, and an alumni letter
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from largely left-wing students or former students who no longer go there
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And in fact, you know, in the letter that I wrote, I made it also only for alumni,
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but in fact a number of students who are currently students of Ms. Polanski,
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including students who were on that trip, asked me if they could sign the letter.
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One of the things that I think made the Covington Catholic School do the right thing
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when they exhausted all other options first was that the family of Nicholas Salmon,
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I don't know how he did it, I don't know who helped him,
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And then later, with one of the most powerful lawyers in the United States,
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they put together a definitive authoritative video showing the truth of what happened.
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But more importantly, they slapped these media outfits with warnings,
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they sued the Washington Post for $250 million.
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And I know here in Canada we'd say, well, that sounds like a joke lawsuit.
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Well, the lawyer who did it is a serious heavy hitter attorney
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maybe she's afraid to take on the school for being fired or something.
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Do you think that a lawyer sending off some missives
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would splash some cold water in the face of this Dr. Jonathan Levy
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who signed the smear letter of her to begin with?
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a lot of the time I think what's really worrisome
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is if the issues within the community kind of spill out to the general population
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because these are very much internal issues that we can deal with internally.
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I think a bigger issue would be calling to the fact
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that the original letter written by a group of left-wing alumni,
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was entirely to do with trying to basically self-promotion at the end of the day.
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It was written by a member of the Liberal Party
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who probably wanted to get some brownie points with his Liberal Party friends,
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and that came at the expense of slandering the school and the teacher and Mr. Gorka.
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But that doesn't really matter at the end of the day
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because it was political opportunism is what it looks like to me.
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So I don't think it's worth lawyering up quite yet over this issue
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But I think it's more important that we reinforce it within our community
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not to bring these issues externally and try to solve them among ourselves
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without delivering horrible slanders to people who are fellow Zionists
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and fellow Jews, people who are a part of our community.
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Dr. Gorka, who was a great ally of Jews and Israel,
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to be smeared this way and to be abandoned by the school,
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I will say that, I mean, I'm a Jew and I live in Toronto,
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so I have a religious and approximate geographic connection to the school.
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But I felt just the same connection to Nicholas Sandman of Covington Catholic in Kentucky.
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And really one of the poisons of social media is this Twitter mob
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that can get this Facebook mob that can get whipped up
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to smash and destroy someone's reputation just because some activists want it.
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Well, listen, Noah, congratulations on you doing a counter petition.
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Let me ask you, finally, have you received any reply to your petition?
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I see you have a number of names on it, people who graduated in different years.
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Did you get a letter back from Dr. Levy or anyone else at the school?
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No, I sent the letter directly to him, actually, but I never received any reply.
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Last I checked, I had over 3,000 petitions, signatures I haven't looked in a few days.
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Listen, thanks, and thanks for standing up to be counted.
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And you told me just before we turned the camera on that you're with the Free Speech Society out there in Vancouver.
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Yeah, so I think part of what motivated me in this situation was it's an attack on free speech, too.
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You know, students have a right to be exposed to a multitude of different viewpoints,
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and they shouldn't have to be harassed by a bunch of university students and a left-wing Twitter mob
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just because they choose to explore multiple angles of the political spectrum.
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Well, listen, thanks so much for taking the time, and thanks for fighting back.
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That's Noah Alter, who joins us from Vancouver via Skype.
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He's an alumnus of CHAT, and the only thing I would disagree with him on
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is that I don't think this is a matter of internal community politics for the Jewish school.
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I think this goes to a larger problem in our society that anyone who takes a conservative point of view,
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a pro-Trump point of view, a pro-Israel point of view, is hounded and deplatformed in the Twitter mob.
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And I think just as I believed it was my place to care about those Covington Catholic kids,
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I think it's everyone's place to care about what happened here, even if you're not Jewish.
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And even if you don't really care about Israel, the kind of censorship we saw there was just awful.
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If you want to sign our petition, go to StandWithAviva.com.
00:36:15.760
Hey, welcome back to my monologue yesterday about Justin Trudeau kicking Jody Wilson-Raybould
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and Dr. Jane Philpott out of the Liberal Party.
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This story is exciting, and there's a long way to go.
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I mean, it's also terrible if you look at the substance of it, what it means for our country.
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But what's exciting to me is that you've got a woman of character.
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And listen, do I have to say for the 10th time, I disagree with her ideologically,
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but that doesn't mean she's not an honest woman.
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I'm just trying to come up with examples of when you really need to trust a real person in a real way, right?
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Because here's someone who gave up everything on a point of moral principle.
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I have to say that's extremely rare in life, and it's as rare as a unicorn in politics, wouldn't you say it?
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But can you not put that aside and say, here's a woman of character.
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No, I don't want her to join the conservative party.
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But just the character of this woman to stand up on a point of principle.
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And what I showed you today, the five demands she made to Justin Trudeau.
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Those are five ways for him to stop his ship from leaking.
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And it's exciting that the woman who holds him to account is her.
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Monica writes, every woman should turn their back on Trudeau when he talks.
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Turn your back on him, but careful he doesn't grope you.
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That's what the New York Times said he did when Rose Knight turned her back on him.
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Mark writes, the CBC said that the caucus just generally agreed that they should kick the woman out.
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They did not mention there were illegal procedures to follow.
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Well, we would not know about Section 49-2 if we relied on the CBC for our news.
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I saw a CBC journalist named Aaron Wary actually on Twitter correcting journalists who made the point that you and I just made.
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Literally like a spin doctor for the liberal war room.
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But their conduct in the last two, three weeks here, as the Liberal Party decided to get tough with Jody Wilson-Raybould,
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there's no dividing line between the CBC newsroom and the Liberal Party war room.
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It's all the same, and I think it looks really, really bad on them.
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Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.