Rebel News Podcast - January 30, 2020


Trudeau's Elections Commissioner is investigating me for writing The Libranos, so I taped the entire interrogation


Episode Stats

Length

45 minutes

Words per Minute

163.64279

Word Count

7,399

Sentence Count

512

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

9


Summary

I was interrogated by two federal investigators for my book, The Libranos. I brought a secret camera with me to record the whole thing, so you can hear it on the video version of the interrogation. Here's the audio version.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Very special show today. It's footage, but you'll obviously have the audio,
00:00:06.720 of when I was interrogated by two federal investigators about my book, The Libranos.
00:00:13.360 Just shocking. I really want to encourage you to see the video version of this, because I brought a
00:00:18.920 secret camera in with me as I was interrogated. So you can hear it, of course, but it's a little
00:00:25.740 muffled. We have subtitles on the video version. To get the video version of all my shows, become a
00:00:32.360 premium subscriber. It's eight bucks a month. That's not bad. Go to premium.rebelnews.com.
00:00:38.840 Premium.rebelnews.com. Okay, here's the podcast version.
00:00:55.740 Tonight, I was interrogated by two federal investigators for my book about Justin Trudeau.
00:01:03.460 Little did they know, I videoed the whole thing. It's January 29th, and this is The Ezra Levant Show.
00:01:12.260 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:16.040 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to say to the
00:01:21.620 government, but why I publish it? It's because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:30.880 Hello, and I'm sorry that tonight's show was posted a little bit late. We've been working
00:01:35.600 feverishly on it all day. It's, in the main, a hidden camera video of when two federal investigators
00:01:45.640 grilled me at their Ottawa headquarters about my book,
00:01:50.260 The Libranos, and the promotion of that book. We have a special video presentation for you based
00:01:56.180 on that hidden camera video of my own interrogation. And then I sit down with one of my favorite
00:02:02.800 lawyers, our free speech lawyers that fought against Trudeau's debates commission in October,
00:02:08.640 and he'll give me advice on how to fight back against this intrusion by Justin Trudeau. So sit
00:02:16.820 back and enjoy, if that's the word, an extended video from the interrogation, and then my conversation
00:02:26.380 with Aaron Rosenberg. Here are those.
00:02:29.640 I wrote a book called The Libranos, What the Media Won't Tell You About Justin Trudeau's Corruption.
00:02:34.480 During the election, it hit number two on the Amazon bestseller list with rave reviews.
00:02:39.660 Justin Trudeau did not like that. So over Christmas, I received this letter from the
00:02:44.700 government by registered mail, accusing me of breaking the law and demanding that I meet
00:02:49.640 with investigators. And if I didn't, I'd get in deeper trouble. You can read that letter for
00:02:54.780 yourself at SaveRebelNews.com. So last week, I went to Ottawa to be interrogated at the high
00:03:01.400 security headquarters of Elections Canada. I was curious, were they really serious? Were
00:03:06.280 they really going to investigate me and prosecute me and fine me, maybe even jail me for writing
00:03:12.080 a book that criticized their boss during an election? Yes. The senior investigator actually
00:03:19.580 told me that by choosing to publish my book during the election, that made it an illegal campaign
00:03:25.040 activity. Here, take a look. You did a blurb online that I watched, and you speak about,
00:03:32.160 of course, that it was released in time for the election. Which, if that's your position today,
00:03:39.280 that wouldn't allow you to have the exemption for advertising for a book.
00:03:44.080 Yeah, I think I know why they told me I wasn't allowed to videotape my interrogation.
00:03:50.400 And just to be clear, because of the security features in this area here,
00:03:54.600 I know a video recording will be allowed. Thanks for the suggestion, but one thing I've learned
00:03:59.640 from kangaroo courts is that no one will believe how bad they are unless they see it with their own
00:04:04.840 eyes. So instead of telling you how it went, let me show you. I recorded almost an hour of footage,
00:04:11.420 so I'll put it online in a series of videos. This is the first. I'll put the rest up at
00:04:16.780 saverebelnews.com. And while you're there, please consider helping me cover my legal bills,
00:04:22.760 because these guys are deadly serious. They have at least five federal investigators on the case.
00:04:28.400 How many investigators are on this file? So far, it's four people that have been in touch with me
00:04:33.540 from your office, plus an anonymous email. How many people do you have on this project?
00:04:40.680 Do you have some flows? It all depends.
00:04:42.140 So it might even grow larger than four people?
00:04:45.880 I'm not sure. I'm not sure how many there actually are on the file. We've been asked today
00:04:50.640 to meet with you and to collect the facts that we'll give back to the main investigator,
00:04:54.760 which is Louise Panton, who will write up her report based on the knowledge that we have,
00:05:00.620 so that she can inform the commissioner, so he can make an informed decision as to
00:05:04.240 if there was, in fact, a breach of the law.
00:05:08.760 Four cops plus the boss. And I really mean cops, former senior RCMP officers. My interrogation was
00:05:16.800 conducted by Tim Mackin, a 30-year veteran of the RCMP, where he worked on terrorism cases.
00:05:23.740 And Paul Couture, also a 30-year veteran of the RCMP, who also worked on terrorism cases.
00:05:30.820 That's who was interrogating me. They wouldn't give me their business cards, but I managed to
00:05:35.680 take a photo of their ID. So yeah, I have to lawyer up. If you can help me, please do at
00:05:41.440 SaveRebelNews.com. Anyways, when we sat down, I actually asked the first question to the cops.
00:05:47.880 What exactly was the complaint against me? I'd come all the way to Ottawa to defend myself
00:05:52.980 against some complaint, but they hadn't shown it to me yet, so I didn't know what I had supposedly
00:05:58.300 done wrong. Take a look at this.
00:05:59.980 Can I see the complaint against me?
00:06:03.880 The letter that you received?
00:06:05.560 No. I presume that you're investigating me based on a complaint.
00:06:09.760 Oh, this is still part of the investigation, so we'll have to, once the investigation's been
00:06:14.460 completed, the commissioner will have to make a decision. At that point, he'll have to decide
00:06:20.740 if that is releasable or not. It's not something that usually is released, no.
00:06:24.880 So it's a secret complaint?
00:06:26.660 It's not a secret complaint. It's just a complaint that's part of the investigation.
00:06:30.340 And to keep the integrity of the investigation right now, you'll understand that we can't
00:06:36.400 share everything that we have.
00:06:37.960 Oh, I don't want everything that you have. I just, if I'm here to meet a complaint, but
00:06:43.580 you won't show me the complaint, how can I possibly meet the complaint? How can I possibly
00:06:48.920 respond to something that you won't show me?
00:06:53.840 Well, I think the letter was quite clear on what we're, what the infraction is, is alleged,
00:06:59.040 and this is what we want to clarify with you.
00:07:02.260 Well, did you generate the complaint, or was it from an outside party?
00:07:06.580 No, we didn't generate the complaint.
00:07:08.120 Okay, so someone, so someone external to your office generated the complaint?
00:07:14.020 That is usually the case.
00:07:15.520 Is that the case in this case?
00:07:16.720 Yes, yeah. Yeah, we did not generate the complaint.
00:07:19.120 Okay, was it the Liberal Party that generated the complaint?
00:07:21.480 We can't go into that, sir.
00:07:22.900 So you won't tell me who the complaint is?
00:07:27.060 The complainant is, is that the secret?
00:07:28.640 Yeah, no, not at this point.
00:07:30.580 So at what point do you tell me who the secret complaint is?
00:07:32.600 The commissioner is the ultimate responsible person for the investigation and how this is
00:07:40.520 decided.
00:07:40.960 So how do I know what I've, what conduct has been complained about if you won't tell me?
00:07:46.820 Now this went on for some time.
00:07:48.520 They kept referring to their Christmastime letter to me about the complaint, but not the
00:07:54.300 complaint itself, if it even exists.
00:07:56.440 So I got a little bit lippy, I admit.
00:07:58.460 They were conducting a secret interrogation of me based on a secret complaint.
00:08:02.820 So I told them two could play at that game.
00:08:05.780 I have my secrets too.
00:08:08.080 Like my name.
00:08:09.140 My name is Paul Couture, spelled C-O-U-T-U-R-E.
00:08:13.700 I will ask my colleague to please identify himself for the recording.
00:08:16.440 My name is Tim Macken.
00:08:19.000 And sir, could you, just for recording, advice who you are?
00:08:22.560 Well, it's a secret.
00:08:24.960 I'm, I don't know if I can tell you that secret.
00:08:31.600 Just for the recording, we have with us Mr. Levant, who registered at the front office.
00:08:35.980 I saw when he registered, so.
00:08:37.920 I suppose I should have left the meeting right there.
00:08:40.400 It was obviously a trap.
00:08:42.200 These two cops kept saying the door was unlocked and I could just walk out.
00:08:47.040 I'm here under protest.
00:08:49.060 I believe that this is contrary to the statute.
00:08:55.840 And I think it may actually be contrary to the Constitution.
00:09:02.840 Can I just interject for a second here?
00:09:04.720 I just want to put it on the record that I'm here under protest.
00:09:08.920 You understand that you can leave at any time, sir?
00:09:11.020 Yes, but I've also...
00:09:11.540 You're free to answer or not the questions that we may have.
00:09:14.500 We're here to have a discussion to clarify the issues that were mentioned in the letter to your attention.
00:09:20.660 Do you have a copy of the letter in front of you?
00:09:22.080 I actually do, sir.
00:09:23.200 Thank you.
00:09:23.620 Okay, that'll save me from digging it up.
00:09:25.240 So, understand that the door is unlocked.
00:09:28.340 You can leave at any time.
00:09:29.340 You're certainly free to stay or to leave.
00:09:31.860 We have no issues with that.
00:09:33.520 But I wanted to find out more from them.
00:09:36.740 I mean, whoever heard of an author being interrogated by police?
00:09:40.580 That's how they do it in China or Iran, not Canada.
00:09:43.700 So, they wouldn't show me the complaint.
00:09:46.240 Okay, well, what documents did they expect from me?
00:09:50.360 Were they going to go through my editorial notes?
00:09:53.380 What did they want from me?
00:09:54.700 Okay.
00:09:55.180 What documents, if any, do you want from me?
00:10:00.820 At this point, I'm not sure.
00:10:02.480 We need to have a conversation to understand what your point of view was on the actual signs
00:10:08.260 and determine when they were actually produced and to what means.
00:10:17.000 And from there, we'll see later if you have any documentation that you want to provide us,
00:10:20.700 we'll be more than happy to accept whatever you want to provide.
00:10:24.160 Well, I don't want to provide you anything because I think this is an unlawful investigation.
00:10:30.520 I think it's political in nature.
00:10:33.180 I think it's probably unconstitutional.
00:10:36.080 So, I don't want to provide you with anything.
00:10:39.440 I'm here under protest.
00:10:41.480 I didn't want to come here.
00:10:43.400 But your letter made it clear that coming here would reduce any penalties.
00:10:49.320 So, it makes sense for me to come here.
00:10:52.020 But I come here under some duress.
00:10:54.660 So, I'm asking you if you want any documents.
00:10:57.140 And you're dancing around.
00:10:59.260 Do you want my documents?
00:11:00.200 I don't want to give you anything.
00:11:02.500 But I'm asking you if you want my documents.
00:11:06.840 And you won't say so.
00:11:08.220 Why are you being so strange about this?
00:11:11.260 Do you want any documents or not?
00:11:12.640 And we don't know if we need documents or not right now at this point.
00:11:18.300 Okay.
00:11:18.760 So, you don't want any documents at this point.
00:11:21.000 Not today.
00:11:24.000 Do you know now if you will want documents at a later day?
00:11:27.400 I am not the lead investigator in this file, sir.
00:11:29.280 I'm here to gather some facts for today and report back to the lead investigator.
00:11:33.180 And if she determines that she would want an offering.
00:11:35.900 So, you don't know anything.
00:11:37.440 You don't know anything.
00:11:38.700 It felt like a Kafkaesque nightmare.
00:11:41.460 Why did they call me there?
00:11:43.280 It felt like they were playing games.
00:11:45.060 What do you think?
00:11:46.360 Who was pulling the strings?
00:11:47.520 These 30-year RCMP veterans.
00:11:50.780 Well, they sounded like errand boys for someone else.
00:11:54.840 I was getting a bit frustrated.
00:11:56.720 Will you subpoena my documents if I don't give them to you?
00:12:01.100 I can't speak on that, sir.
00:12:02.640 I'm not the lead investigator here.
00:12:04.060 So, you might subpoena my documents.
00:12:06.240 You won't rule it out.
00:12:08.080 Like I said, I'm not the lead investigator in this file.
00:12:11.520 It sounds like they sent the sandwich boy down.
00:12:13.880 It sounds like they sent the intern down.
00:12:15.300 Are you his boss?
00:12:16.100 Can you answer any of these things?
00:12:19.680 Like, do you want documents or not?
00:12:21.380 Why can't you just say that?
00:12:24.260 So, Mr. Levant, why don't we just cross the first portion,
00:12:29.840 which is if you are representing Rebel News Network.
00:12:33.800 That's a secret.
00:12:34.780 Because you said it was a secret.
00:12:36.940 Yeah, I'll tell you my secret if you tell me your secret.
00:12:40.640 And the thing is, you actually have an obligation to tell me your secret.
00:12:43.540 Your secret is, what's the complaint here?
00:12:45.740 How can I push back against a complaint you won't show me?
00:12:49.920 How do you think that's going to look in court
00:12:51.200 when we take this to a judicial review?
00:12:54.480 You invited me down here.
00:12:56.420 You won't tell me what documents you want,
00:12:58.480 or if you even want them.
00:12:59.940 You won't tell me who complained.
00:13:01.680 You won't show me the complaint.
00:13:04.100 And you're saying it's a secret.
00:13:08.360 Do you know what that looks like?
00:13:10.000 I'm here to answer a secret complaint.
00:13:12.160 How can I answer it if I don't see it?
00:13:13.560 Do you want to take a break and get some permission from your mom or whoever
00:13:19.280 to show me the document?
00:13:20.500 Do you need to meet with the boss?
00:13:25.240 No?
00:13:27.540 So you've been instructed not to show me the complaint.
00:13:31.480 I said the complaint is part of the investigation,
00:13:34.220 and it's not something that we release while the investigation is ongoing.
00:13:38.580 So how can I possibly respond to a secret complaint?
00:13:45.800 We have indicated what is part of the complaint.
00:13:48.800 There's not a word in here from the complaint.
00:13:50.920 This is your words.
00:13:52.360 Yes.
00:13:52.740 So frustrating, but here's the weirdest part.
00:13:55.320 We all know that writing books during elections is not illegal.
00:13:58.780 In fact, that's when many political books are published.
00:14:02.160 There were plenty of pro-Trudeau books published at the same time as mine.
00:14:06.420 The Election Act specifically exempts books and the promotion of books from the law.
00:14:11.380 And in their threat letter to me,
00:14:13.020 they actually quote the section that proves I'm exempt.
00:14:16.100 Look at this.
00:14:17.860 I have never seen a letter of accusation,
00:14:21.660 a threat letter before from any public authority
00:14:25.620 that contains within it a defense against the accusation.
00:14:32.580 I'm talking about the paragraph on the second page by Milain Gijoux
00:14:37.120 that says,
00:14:39.520 as you may know,
00:14:42.020 the definition of election advertising in the Act
00:14:43.760 contains examples of some communications
00:14:45.460 that could promote or oppose a registered party or candidate,
00:14:48.860 but that do not constitute election advertising
00:14:51.520 among those examples.
00:14:53.340 These examples is one that applies to the promotion of the sale of a book
00:14:56.080 if the book was planned to be made available to the public
00:14:58.600 regardless of whether there is to be election.
00:15:00.600 So right in your letter,
00:15:02.600 you show me
00:15:05.060 the books and the promotion of books
00:15:07.000 are exempt.
00:15:08.620 I've never seen a cop pull me over
00:15:11.400 and say,
00:15:12.020 you were speeding,
00:15:13.320 but I've got to tell you my radar gun's broken,
00:15:15.160 so you probably weren't speeding.
00:15:16.580 You say,
00:15:17.840 you accused me of breaking the law,
00:15:19.740 but right in your own letter,
00:15:21.600 you show that I'm not.
00:15:22.680 So why am I here?
00:15:24.120 We are not investigating the book
00:15:25.800 nor the contents of the book.
00:15:27.300 You have the,
00:15:28.280 and it says right here,
00:15:29.300 or the promotion of a book.
00:15:30.720 The promotion of the sale of a book
00:15:33.280 is exempt.
00:15:34.360 We need to determine if the signage
00:15:36.000 was actually promotion of the book
00:15:37.600 or was it political advertising?
00:15:40.360 There,
00:15:40.680 there's three words on the sign.
00:15:43.060 There's three words on the sign.
00:15:45.200 You need help figuring out what they mean?
00:15:50.520 You,
00:15:51.040 you can't understand what that sign means.
00:15:56.640 Look,
00:15:57.200 we promoted the book in a dozen ways.
00:16:00.480 Posters,
00:16:01.320 coffee mugs,
00:16:02.260 t-shirts,
00:16:03.280 videos,
00:16:04.300 fun lawn signs,
00:16:05.560 a giant billboard.
00:16:07.600 And the law exempts it all.
00:16:09.880 Books and the promotion of books.
00:16:12.460 Now,
00:16:12.680 several times these cops said
00:16:14.000 that they weren't actually interested
00:16:15.560 in investigating my book.
00:16:17.860 It's just my promotion of the book
00:16:19.560 that said,
00:16:20.160 buy the book.
00:16:21.400 But after initially denying it,
00:16:23.340 these guys really did grill me
00:16:24.940 about my book itself
00:16:26.440 and even about our staff at Rebel News
00:16:29.500 and how we hire them.
00:16:31.480 For example,
00:16:32.340 they asked me about my planning for the book,
00:16:35.560 not for the advertising,
00:16:36.500 but for the book.
00:16:38.240 And that's something that you,
00:16:39.420 you may want to discuss with us or not
00:16:41.100 to see if the book had been planned ahead of time
00:16:42.900 or for the purpose of the election.
00:16:45.960 That's something that,
00:16:47.000 uh,
00:16:47.400 planned ahead of time.
00:16:48.600 What,
00:16:48.960 what's the basis for that question
00:16:50.920 in,
00:16:51.500 in the law?
00:16:52.600 Well,
00:16:52.780 the law says
00:16:53.440 that if the book
00:16:54.640 is exempted
00:16:56.180 regardless of whether
00:16:58.080 there was to be an election
00:16:59.240 or available to the public.
00:17:01.680 Yeah,
00:17:02.080 so what's,
00:17:02.400 what's,
00:17:02.940 what's planned,
00:17:03.700 what's this planned ahead of time business?
00:17:05.720 You just made that up.
00:17:07.440 It's right here,
00:17:08.240 sir.
00:17:08.600 Well,
00:17:08.880 how can,
00:17:09.460 how can you publish a book
00:17:10.760 without planning it ahead of time?
00:17:12.000 Do you think it just happened spontaneously?
00:17:13.120 With the timing,
00:17:13.660 with the timing of the elections,
00:17:15.020 for the purpose of the elections.
00:17:16.280 You know we have fixed election dates,
00:17:19.280 more or less.
00:17:19.720 I certainly do.
00:17:29.920 So he's asking why I wrote my book
00:17:32.640 when I did.
00:17:35.060 Justin Trudeau's police
00:17:36.680 are asking me
00:17:37.920 why I wrote a book about Justin Trudeau
00:17:40.580 when Justin Trudeau
00:17:42.020 was in an election campaign.
00:17:43.760 They asked me all sorts of questions
00:17:45.000 about the book.
00:17:46.000 Can we speak about
00:17:46.800 your communications plan for the book,
00:17:48.200 your marketing for the book?
00:17:49.040 Well,
00:17:49.480 I'll listen to your questions.
00:17:53.500 To see clarity?
00:17:54.260 I'll listen to your questions.
00:17:57.100 We just wondered
00:17:57.880 if you had a communication plan
00:17:59.540 or a marketing plan.
00:18:01.160 What was your marketing plan, sir?
00:18:02.720 Did you do it all yourself?
00:18:03.840 Did you have a team?
00:18:04.720 Remember,
00:18:05.140 these guys weren't asking
00:18:06.400 out of curiosity.
00:18:08.220 They were building
00:18:08.900 a legal case against me.
00:18:10.720 But why only against me?
00:18:13.440 I got,
00:18:13.820 I got a question for you.
00:18:14.740 I've answered a few
00:18:15.300 your questions now.
00:18:16.620 Have you investigated
00:18:17.740 any of the other authors
00:18:19.540 who published books
00:18:20.980 about Trudeau
00:18:21.680 at the exact same time as me?
00:18:23.560 Have you invested John,
00:18:24.520 I've investigated
00:18:25.420 John Iverson's book
00:18:26.340 or Aaron Wary's book?
00:18:28.020 There's over 24 books
00:18:29.300 that were published
00:18:29.800 around that period.
00:18:30.780 You haven't answered my question.
00:18:31.760 Have you investigated
00:18:32.500 John Iverson
00:18:33.220 or Aaron Wary's books?
00:18:34.560 I haven't.
00:18:35.800 Have you?
00:18:36.480 I haven't.
00:18:37.120 Yeah.
00:18:37.340 Is anyone in your office
00:18:38.140 investigating any other books
00:18:39.360 about Justin Trudeau
00:18:40.280 or just the book
00:18:41.040 that's critical of them?
00:18:42.460 Today we're here about
00:18:43.760 Rebel News Network Limited.
00:18:46.220 Oh, I know that.
00:18:47.440 And I'm just asking you
00:18:49.380 to confirm
00:18:49.960 that not a single other
00:18:53.320 loving book of Trudeau
00:18:55.020 is being investigated.
00:18:55.740 But once we're done,
00:18:56.660 if you believe
00:18:57.220 that there should be
00:18:57.840 complaints that are...
00:18:58.720 No, because I'm not
00:18:59.420 a censor like you.
00:19:00.700 I'm not a bully
00:19:01.960 and a censor.
00:19:03.140 I'm not a bureaucrat
00:19:04.120 looking to justify
00:19:05.320 my budget like you.
00:19:06.600 I go out and earn
00:19:07.340 my living every day, fella.
00:19:12.020 You call in authors
00:19:13.400 to grill them
00:19:14.880 about a book
00:19:15.340 criticizing your boss.
00:19:16.900 Think about who you are.
00:19:18.400 We call the director
00:19:19.260 of Rebel News Network Limited.
00:19:22.160 Yeah, who happens
00:19:22.600 to be the author
00:19:23.160 of the book.
00:19:24.460 I think there's going
00:19:25.360 to be a chapter
00:19:25.940 about you two fellas
00:19:27.220 in the next edition.
00:19:28.720 Do you have any
00:19:34.800 more questions there?
00:19:36.540 Certainly do.
00:19:37.860 Oh, he wasn't lying.
00:19:39.520 They weren't even
00:19:40.580 half done.
00:19:41.940 They started asking me
00:19:42.980 questions like,
00:19:44.460 why at Rebel News
00:19:46.000 do we hire people
00:19:47.500 who criticize
00:19:48.340 Justin Trudeau?
00:19:49.340 I'm serious.
00:19:50.060 All right, so moving forward.
00:19:53.200 So for the book,
00:19:55.500 you seek volunteers
00:19:57.400 that,
00:20:00.700 and without going back
00:20:01.620 to the tape
00:20:02.020 to get the exact quote,
00:20:04.180 that
00:20:04.580 wanted to have
00:20:08.720 had a certain
00:20:09.460 view on Trudeau
00:20:11.180 and Gerald Butts
00:20:11.980 and believed
00:20:13.980 in free speech
00:20:14.780 and that were
00:20:16.100 embarrassed
00:20:16.540 by the Prime Minister
00:20:17.740 Trudeau
00:20:18.780 in blackface
00:20:19.640 and you saw
00:20:20.440 that specific
00:20:21.340 type of person.
00:20:22.260 Is that correct?
00:20:23.380 Why are policemen
00:20:24.160 asking an author
00:20:25.140 and journalist
00:20:25.720 and broadcaster
00:20:26.520 about the political
00:20:27.860 leanings
00:20:28.440 of our staff?
00:20:29.380 I want to go back
00:20:31.660 when you were doing
00:20:32.540 your recruiting
00:20:33.140 for people
00:20:35.320 and how you
00:20:36.400 described it.
00:20:37.820 Can you go over that
00:20:38.420 again for me?
00:20:38.900 Who you were
00:20:39.260 the type of people
00:20:40.040 you were looking for?
00:20:40.840 So in that,
00:20:42.680 were they,
00:20:44.060 you were seeking
00:20:44.620 these people
00:20:45.260 for what purpose?
00:20:48.320 Could you explain
00:20:49.020 to us the type
00:20:49.720 of people
00:20:50.140 you were seeking?
00:20:51.280 What was the purpose?
00:20:52.160 At one point,
00:20:53.060 one of the cops
00:20:53.620 told me,
00:20:54.560 he has me dead
00:20:55.400 to rights.
00:20:56.020 He said I'm guilty.
00:20:57.480 In fact,
00:20:57.800 he told me exactly
00:20:58.740 what I said
00:20:59.680 that he thinks
00:21:00.580 convicts me.
00:21:01.600 And he even offered
00:21:02.600 me a chance
00:21:03.220 to unsay it.
00:21:05.080 So when you,
00:21:05.860 when you came
00:21:06.320 to your decision,
00:21:07.540 you're going to
00:21:07.960 author a book,
00:21:09.520 release a book,
00:21:11.020 in time for the election
00:21:12.120 and I don't have
00:21:12.800 your own words
00:21:13.460 but online you,
00:21:15.420 when you received
00:21:16.100 a letter from
00:21:16.920 Madame Gigou,
00:21:18.540 you did a,
00:21:19.920 a blurb online
00:21:21.160 that I watched
00:21:21.720 and you speak about
00:21:23.440 of course
00:21:23.960 that it was released
00:21:25.240 in time for the election.
00:21:27.500 Which if,
00:21:28.080 if that's your position
00:21:29.460 today,
00:21:30.600 that wouldn't allow
00:21:31.520 you to have
00:21:32.040 the exemption
00:21:32.640 for,
00:21:33.920 for advertising
00:21:34.800 for a book.
00:21:35.720 So that's why
00:21:36.340 we wanted to clarify
00:21:37.160 that with you.
00:21:38.540 Perhaps you were
00:21:39.180 misspoken
00:21:39.700 when you spoke online
00:21:40.560 or,
00:21:41.360 so we're here
00:21:42.400 to try to clarify.
00:21:43.460 So it's not about
00:21:44.440 the signs anymore.
00:21:46.040 That was a misdirection
00:21:47.260 and interrogation trick.
00:21:49.040 It's about the book.
00:21:50.500 That I dared to publish
00:21:51.480 a book during the election
00:21:52.660 so this cop says
00:21:54.240 I broke the law.
00:21:55.480 You heard him.
00:21:56.120 About 40 minutes
00:21:56.900 into the interrogation,
00:21:58.340 the one cop asked me
00:21:59.560 why I didn't
00:22:00.920 register my book
00:22:02.500 with the government.
00:22:03.420 He said that.
00:22:04.280 I'll let you hear
00:22:04.940 his exact words
00:22:05.920 and my answer to him.
00:22:07.580 The knowledge
00:22:08.260 that you would have
00:22:09.000 or not have
00:22:09.560 of the,
00:22:09.920 of the election act,
00:22:11.280 the Canada Elections Act,
00:22:12.940 when you
00:22:13.780 are planning the book
00:22:15.640 and you,
00:22:18.180 the,
00:22:18.420 the,
00:22:18.760 the new third party rules,
00:22:20.620 because I believe
00:22:21.020 there's some comments
00:22:21.700 on your set
00:22:22.220 as well
00:22:23.080 about that.
00:22:24.200 Did you give
00:22:24.680 any consideration
00:22:25.520 of saying
00:22:26.160 maybe I should
00:22:27.500 register as a third party
00:22:29.500 for this circumstance
00:22:30.500 or maybe I shouldn't
00:22:32.900 because of my interpretation
00:22:34.960 of what I'm going to do
00:22:35.780 or did you
00:22:36.940 not make that
00:22:38.840 determination?
00:22:40.740 Tim,
00:22:40.960 I appreciate the question.
00:22:42.300 Yeah,
00:22:42.480 I absolutely did think
00:22:43.560 about that
00:22:44.000 at great length.
00:22:47.900 Do you want to share
00:22:48.960 any of those thoughts?
00:22:51.340 Well,
00:22:51.500 sure,
00:22:51.660 some of them.
00:22:52.140 I mean,
00:22:52.740 I thought
00:22:53.200 the day
00:22:54.560 I register
00:22:55.920 with the government
00:22:58.200 to write a book
00:23:00.240 is the day
00:23:02.000 we no longer
00:23:03.140 are the true north
00:23:04.560 strong and free.
00:23:06.600 And if
00:23:07.260 Elections Canada's
00:23:09.280 commissioners
00:23:09.980 are stupid enough
00:23:11.580 to prosecute me
00:23:13.320 for writing,
00:23:14.900 publishing,
00:23:15.280 and promoting a book
00:23:16.140 about an election
00:23:17.040 during an election,
00:23:18.720 then that's an important
00:23:19.820 fight to have
00:23:20.820 because we need
00:23:22.360 to roll back
00:23:23.020 these pencil-neck
00:23:24.100 bureaucrats
00:23:24.780 and their blackface boss
00:23:26.180 and we need
00:23:27.800 to remind them
00:23:28.600 that we're still
00:23:29.320 a free country.
00:23:30.500 So I thought about it
00:23:31.480 long and hard,
00:23:32.280 Tim.
00:23:32.560 This cop asked me
00:23:33.640 if I had any message
00:23:34.660 to take back
00:23:35.680 to his boss,
00:23:36.860 the commissioner.
00:23:38.440 What would you
00:23:39.100 have said?
00:23:40.500 Here's what I said.
00:23:41.560 I don't even understand
00:23:42.780 what I've been
00:23:43.520 accused of doing.
00:23:44.900 I don't understand
00:23:45.720 who accused me.
00:23:46.920 I don't understand
00:23:47.720 when.
00:23:48.160 So this is a,
00:23:51.300 frankly,
00:23:52.040 this is a star chamber
00:23:53.320 that is illegal.
00:23:55.680 I'm here because,
00:23:56.880 really,
00:23:57.160 I wanted to ask
00:23:57.700 a few questions
00:23:58.340 about what you're
00:23:59.180 going to do
00:23:59.440 if I don't give you
00:24:00.000 documents.
00:24:00.780 You wouldn't answer.
00:24:02.180 I wanted to ask
00:24:02.960 who complained.
00:24:03.620 You wouldn't answer.
00:24:04.380 I wanted to see
00:24:04.840 the complaint.
00:24:05.300 You wouldn't answer.
00:24:07.820 I wanted to check
00:24:08.740 you guys out,
00:24:09.380 learn a little bit
00:24:09.860 of how many folks
00:24:10.440 are on the file.
00:24:11.440 You didn't really
00:24:11.920 answer,
00:24:12.280 but I can count.
00:24:13.620 I guess my message
00:24:16.040 to the commissioner
00:24:16.720 is,
00:24:17.960 I don't even know
00:24:20.500 who it is,
00:24:21.340 to be honest,
00:24:23.400 but that'll change.
00:24:27.760 And,
00:24:28.200 I guess my message
00:24:31.860 is every ounce
00:24:33.920 of energy I have,
00:24:35.020 every dollar I have
00:24:36.420 and can raise,
00:24:37.960 every trick of the
00:24:39.640 trade I can deploy,
00:24:40.600 I will deploy
00:24:42.240 to smashing
00:24:43.420 this law.
00:24:45.460 And I think
00:24:46.060 you know that's true.
00:24:47.080 I think we'll have
00:24:47.880 books and billboards
00:24:49.920 and TV videos
00:24:51.620 and lawn signs
00:24:53.840 and we'll do
00:24:55.760 all sorts of
00:24:56.660 crazy things
00:24:57.800 in defense
00:24:59.100 of free speech
00:25:00.320 and freedom of the press.
00:25:01.900 And we'll do it all.
00:25:04.240 And it's not
00:25:05.460 what I really want to do.
00:25:06.220 I want to live my life
00:25:07.580 and do my journalism.
00:25:09.020 But if you guys
00:25:10.300 are going to put me
00:25:11.340 through a trial
00:25:12.900 because I wrote
00:25:14.020 and published
00:25:14.580 and promoted
00:25:15.100 an election book
00:25:15.960 during an election,
00:25:17.140 I'm going to do
00:25:18.580 everything I can
00:25:19.400 to show you
00:25:21.480 and the country
00:25:22.180 that's not Canadian.
00:25:24.460 You're being
00:25:24.900 un-Canadian
00:25:25.760 by summoning an author
00:25:27.000 to your offices.
00:25:28.600 You're being un-Canadian
00:25:29.500 and you need a reminder.
00:25:30.980 All right,
00:25:31.380 this video is too long already.
00:25:32.840 I'll do a second video
00:25:33.680 with more excerpts
00:25:34.480 from the interrogation.
00:25:35.780 But let me give you
00:25:36.420 a quick glimpse
00:25:37.480 of what's to come.
00:25:40.300 You don't undertake
00:25:44.320 not to raid
00:25:45.580 the offices
00:25:46.120 of Rebel News.
00:25:51.860 Do you know
00:25:52.600 the country you're in, Paul?
00:25:53.840 Yeah, it got worse.
00:25:56.120 I'll have another video
00:25:57.040 for you soon.
00:25:57.760 But look,
00:25:58.520 I need help.
00:25:59.360 I thought this was
00:25:59.960 going to be a joke.
00:26:01.400 No, I don't think so anymore.
00:26:02.540 You heard that one cop.
00:26:04.000 He told me twice
00:26:05.100 that I'm guilty.
00:26:06.300 Once for choosing
00:26:07.680 to write a book
00:26:08.560 during an election
00:26:09.380 and once
00:26:10.320 for not registering
00:26:11.780 my book
00:26:12.280 with the government.
00:26:14.060 He's going to prosecute me.
00:26:16.120 I need to hire lawyers.
00:26:18.200 And I have.
00:26:19.980 The same legal eagles
00:26:21.520 who beat Trudeau
00:26:22.500 last time
00:26:23.160 when the debates
00:26:24.080 commissions tried
00:26:24.880 to censor us.
00:26:25.600 Remember that?
00:26:26.080 Trudeau banned
00:26:26.740 our Rebel News journalists
00:26:28.220 from the leaders' debate.
00:26:30.280 A federal court judge
00:26:31.280 told Trudeau
00:26:31.900 that's illegal.
00:26:33.780 But it still cost us
00:26:34.960 $18,000 to win.
00:26:37.380 Now this fight
00:26:38.100 is going to be
00:26:38.560 bigger than that.
00:26:39.680 I think they mean
00:26:40.720 to break me
00:26:41.400 and to break Rebel News,
00:26:42.680 one of the few
00:26:43.500 independent voices
00:26:44.300 left in the Canadian media.
00:26:46.700 Well, we'll see about that.
00:26:47.980 If you can help,
00:26:49.740 please go to
00:26:50.260 SaveRebelNews.com
00:26:51.520 and chip in
00:26:52.000 whatever you can.
00:26:52.740 We will need it
00:26:53.500 for the legal fight.
00:26:55.640 And stay tuned.
00:26:57.220 We'll have part two
00:26:58.000 of my interrogation video
00:26:59.480 up soon.
00:27:00.700 Thank you.
00:27:12.780 I don't know.
00:27:14.040 Should I be mad?
00:27:14.840 Should I be scared?
00:27:15.960 Should I be,
00:27:16.860 I don't know,
00:27:17.300 happy that I'm
00:27:18.060 in my element
00:27:18.560 fighting censorship
00:27:20.080 and Justin Trudeau?
00:27:21.140 I don't really know,
00:27:22.320 but one thing I do know
00:27:23.420 is that I need some help.
00:27:25.560 I went into this
00:27:26.700 interrogation by myself
00:27:28.280 on purpose
00:27:29.380 because I wanted to see
00:27:30.440 what admissions
00:27:31.440 I could get from them
00:27:32.680 when they weren't
00:27:33.740 on their guard,
00:27:35.060 which I know
00:27:35.820 they would have been
00:27:36.760 had I attended
00:27:38.360 with a lawyer.
00:27:40.020 Well, it's lawyer in time,
00:27:41.640 and we brought in the team
00:27:43.680 and we brought in the team
00:27:43.700 that helped us
00:27:45.000 beat Trudeau's lawyers
00:27:46.500 in October.
00:27:47.660 You'll recall
00:27:48.460 Justin Trudeau's
00:27:49.840 hand-picked
00:27:50.480 debates commission
00:27:51.620 kept out
00:27:52.940 David Manzies
00:27:53.620 and Kian Bexte
00:27:54.340 of Rebel News
00:27:55.000 as well as our friend
00:27:56.000 Andrew Lawton
00:27:56.540 from True North
00:27:57.140 banned us
00:27:58.860 from covering
00:27:59.820 the campaign debate.
00:28:00.760 Well, we didn't stand
00:28:01.500 for that.
00:28:01.820 We went to federal court
00:28:03.140 on a rush basis
00:28:04.460 and we beat
00:28:06.860 Justin Trudeau
00:28:07.940 like a drum.
00:28:09.220 In fact,
00:28:09.640 Trudeau had five lawyers
00:28:11.060 and look at this news
00:28:11.920 literally out this morning.
00:28:13.880 Trudeau spent
00:28:14.560 $131,000
00:28:18.260 of your taxpayers' money
00:28:20.800 fighting us in court.
00:28:23.540 I'll tell you,
00:28:24.980 we spent $18,000
00:28:27.140 and we won.
00:28:29.440 And one of those lawyers
00:28:31.180 who won it for us
00:28:32.400 joins me now today,
00:28:33.600 Aaron Rosenberg
00:28:34.480 from Real Law.
00:28:35.440 Great to see you again.
00:28:36.580 Always nice to see you, Ezra.
00:28:37.460 Thank you.
00:28:37.960 Well, thank you
00:28:38.800 and, you know,
00:28:40.160 I'm fine with
00:28:41.380 your level of billing.
00:28:42.260 Don't feel any need
00:28:43.140 to double your bills.
00:28:45.200 I think it's insane
00:28:47.060 that the government
00:28:48.520 spent $131,000
00:28:50.100 fighting us last time.
00:28:51.380 It was a 48-hour battle
00:28:52.800 so I literally
00:28:54.080 don't know
00:28:54.720 how they even managed
00:28:55.780 to rack up
00:28:56.440 $131,000 in bills.
00:28:58.300 I was pleased
00:28:59.360 to pay you $18,000.
00:29:00.720 You guys worked
00:29:01.280 non-stop all weekend
00:29:02.360 and you won.
00:29:03.660 Which is the most
00:29:04.240 important thing.
00:29:05.300 $18,000 money well paid.
00:29:07.420 I don't even know
00:29:08.340 how they spent $131,000
00:29:09.660 but we beat them.
00:29:10.760 Yeah, it's really
00:29:11.680 unbelievable
00:29:12.440 and of course
00:29:13.100 in hindsight now
00:29:13.860 it seems like
00:29:14.420 it was money well wasted.
00:29:15.920 But, you know,
00:29:17.160 it was a hard-fought battle.
00:29:19.100 No question about it.
00:29:20.200 And it was a pretty close call
00:29:21.320 if you recall.
00:29:21.980 You were in the courtroom
00:29:22.540 with us.
00:29:23.440 So, but you know,
00:29:25.120 of course we're thrilled
00:29:26.280 that it was a victory
00:29:27.280 for the rebel
00:29:28.480 and for free speech.
00:29:30.260 Freedom of the press.
00:29:31.040 But there's no question
00:29:32.900 that there is a disparity
00:29:34.080 between the government resources
00:29:35.620 and the little guy,
00:29:36.920 the rebel.
00:29:37.600 And that's why
00:29:38.560 we're just so thrilled
00:29:39.160 to be working
00:29:39.560 on these types of files.
00:29:40.900 Well, thank you.
00:29:41.680 And it's just coincidence
00:29:42.700 that we saw that news
00:29:44.040 today
00:29:44.920 because today
00:29:45.940 is the day
00:29:46.720 we fight back
00:29:47.980 on this crazy
00:29:49.460 book investigation.
00:29:51.200 You have reviewed
00:29:53.220 the video
00:29:54.180 that we just released
00:29:55.380 where I have
00:29:57.320 clips from my
00:29:59.060 interrogation there.
00:30:01.160 And
00:30:01.420 there's just one thing
00:30:03.700 I want to show you
00:30:04.880 where one of the cops
00:30:06.380 almost
00:30:07.540 it was like
00:30:08.440 he was saying
00:30:08.980 do you want to
00:30:09.580 unsay that
00:30:10.560 because I got you.
00:30:11.640 It was where I said
00:30:12.780 no, we chose
00:30:13.460 to publish my election book
00:30:15.000 during the election
00:30:15.800 because that's when
00:30:16.880 people want to hear.
00:30:17.980 He says that to me.
00:30:20.200 I felt like he was
00:30:21.540 inviting me
00:30:22.740 to
00:30:23.780 get out of trouble
00:30:25.600 but I'm not going to lie
00:30:27.280 of course we published
00:30:27.980 the book
00:30:28.340 during the election.
00:30:29.700 Take a look.
00:30:30.720 So when you came
00:30:31.680 to your decision
00:30:32.360 you're going to
00:30:33.320 author a book
00:30:34.000 release a book
00:30:35.760 in time for the election
00:30:37.500 and I don't have
00:30:38.160 your own words
00:30:38.840 but online
00:30:39.960 when you received
00:30:41.460 a letter from
00:30:42.300 Madame Gigou
00:30:43.260 you did a
00:30:45.800 blurb online
00:30:46.520 that I watched
00:30:47.100 and you speak about
00:30:48.820 of course
00:30:49.340 that it was
00:30:50.260 released in time
00:30:51.020 for the election
00:30:51.560 which if
00:30:53.360 that's your
00:30:54.320 position today
00:30:55.220 that wouldn't
00:30:56.620 allow you to
00:30:57.200 have the exemption
00:30:58.000 for advertising
00:31:00.160 for a book
00:31:00.800 so that's why
00:31:01.700 we wanted to
00:31:02.220 clarify that
00:31:02.820 with you.
00:31:03.900 Perhaps you were
00:31:04.540 misspoken
00:31:05.040 when you spoke
00:31:05.560 online
00:31:05.940 so we're here
00:31:07.760 to try to clarify.
00:31:08.880 So that's a
00:31:09.620 30 year
00:31:10.180 RCMP veteran
00:31:12.280 who's now working
00:31:13.000 for elections
00:31:13.600 commissioner.
00:31:14.720 He also said
00:31:15.840 it felt like
00:31:17.800 he was saying
00:31:18.120 I got you
00:31:18.500 dead to rights
00:31:19.020 on this
00:31:19.380 and he said
00:31:19.920 one more thing
00:31:20.400 and then I'm
00:31:20.700 going to ask you
00:31:21.060 to react to this
00:31:21.900 he asked me
00:31:23.080 did I ever
00:31:24.160 contemplate
00:31:26.360 registering
00:31:27.620 with the
00:31:28.880 government
00:31:29.240 for my book
00:31:30.760 take a look
00:31:31.200 at that.
00:31:31.700 The knowledge
00:31:32.280 that you would
00:31:32.720 have or not
00:31:33.380 have of the
00:31:34.320 election act
00:31:35.060 the Canada
00:31:35.600 election act
00:31:36.180 when you
00:31:37.780 are planning
00:31:39.320 the book
00:31:39.680 and you
00:31:41.660 the new
00:31:43.280 third party
00:31:44.080 rules
00:31:44.580 because I believe
00:31:45.040 there's some
00:31:45.400 comments on
00:31:45.900 your set
00:31:46.260 as well
00:31:47.100 about that
00:31:47.620 did you give
00:31:48.720 any consideration
00:31:49.540 of saying
00:31:50.200 maybe I should
00:31:51.520 register as a
00:31:53.100 third party
00:31:53.540 for this
00:31:53.900 circumstance
00:31:54.520 or maybe I
00:31:55.740 shouldn't
00:31:56.940 because of my
00:31:58.420 interpretation
00:31:58.980 of what I'm
00:31:59.420 going to do
00:31:59.820 or did you
00:32:00.960 not make that
00:32:02.880 determination?
00:32:04.400 Alright I'd like
00:32:04.840 you to react
00:32:05.340 to those two
00:32:05.980 clips because
00:32:06.800 that's their
00:32:07.720 case.
00:32:08.200 I think
00:32:10.440 unless they're
00:32:11.400 trying to
00:32:11.840 misdirect me
00:32:12.600 their case
00:32:13.880 is I broke
00:32:15.520 the law by
00:32:16.140 writing an
00:32:16.640 election book
00:32:17.380 during the
00:32:18.060 election because
00:32:19.360 I didn't like
00:32:20.020 Justin Trudeau
00:32:20.920 and I should
00:32:21.980 have registered
00:32:22.740 my book with
00:32:23.640 the government
00:32:24.180 registry as
00:32:25.960 like a campaign
00:32:26.880 election party
00:32:28.040 or something.
00:32:28.500 I think that's
00:32:29.000 what they're
00:32:29.280 arguing.
00:32:29.960 Yeah I mean
00:32:30.620 it's pretty
00:32:31.280 amazing.
00:32:32.380 The whole thing
00:32:32.820 is incredible
00:32:33.320 the fact that
00:32:33.900 you're in a
00:32:34.620 back room in
00:32:35.660 the election
00:32:36.020 commissioner's
00:32:36.600 office talking
00:32:37.960 about freedom
00:32:39.720 of the
00:32:39.960 it's essential
00:32:41.320 right?
00:32:42.300 You decide
00:32:42.880 you want to
00:32:43.260 write a book
00:32:43.720 you time it
00:32:44.740 to coincide
00:32:45.640 with an
00:32:45.880 election which
00:32:46.560 makes absolute
00:32:47.120 sense not only
00:32:48.500 from a financial
00:32:50.760 sense but from
00:32:51.760 the position of
00:32:52.480 dealing with the
00:32:54.300 politics and
00:32:55.260 what's going on
00:32:56.300 at the time.
00:32:57.160 It's very important
00:32:57.700 for your voice to
00:32:58.300 be heard during
00:32:58.980 an election season.
00:33:00.260 So the fact that
00:33:01.100 they're trying to
00:33:01.760 hold you to account
00:33:02.840 for writing a book
00:33:04.060 and promoting a book
00:33:05.360 during an election
00:33:06.060 in my view
00:33:07.160 is crazy.
00:33:10.240 They're implying
00:33:11.300 I was interfering
00:33:12.740 in the election.
00:33:14.140 I believe I was
00:33:15.240 participating in the
00:33:16.420 election not as a
00:33:17.900 candidate but as a
00:33:18.840 journalist and a
00:33:19.640 citizen.
00:33:20.680 I have those views
00:33:22.120 honestly held about
00:33:23.180 Justin Trudeau.
00:33:23.860 It's no secret
00:33:24.400 I've been
00:33:24.740 criticizing Trudeau
00:33:25.900 even before he was
00:33:26.760 the leader of the
00:33:27.220 liberals.
00:33:27.440 I want my
00:33:30.020 elections Canada
00:33:31.280 cops to be going
00:33:33.100 after people who
00:33:34.180 try and vote
00:33:35.160 illegally.
00:33:36.480 People who try
00:33:37.200 and vote twice.
00:33:38.580 People who try
00:33:39.080 and vote
00:33:39.480 deliberately in the
00:33:40.980 wrong place.
00:33:42.900 People who steal
00:33:43.760 money.
00:33:44.060 I want them to go
00:33:44.820 after crimes.
00:33:46.880 I can't believe
00:33:47.580 they're putting
00:33:48.080 five people minimum
00:33:49.920 on the case of a
00:33:51.880 book writer.
00:33:52.280 I started to go
00:33:53.060 through the cases
00:33:54.240 that they've
00:33:54.760 prosecuted.
00:33:55.820 I've never seen
00:33:56.660 anything like this.
00:33:57.840 They actually have
00:33:58.920 been going after
00:33:59.740 bad dudes.
00:34:01.420 People who
00:34:01.900 falsify their ballot.
00:34:04.740 ask for a second
00:34:05.740 ballot.
00:34:06.440 Go after those
00:34:07.280 bad guys.
00:34:07.660 I've never seen
00:34:08.260 them do this
00:34:08.700 before.
00:34:09.560 Well that's right.
00:34:10.700 I mean clearly
00:34:12.600 that can't be the
00:34:13.860 intention.
00:34:15.480 What you're bringing
00:34:16.460 about, what you're
00:34:17.300 bringing to the
00:34:17.900 public sphere,
00:34:18.920 dealing with the
00:34:20.320 issues of the
00:34:21.140 day of holding
00:34:22.300 our government to
00:34:23.300 account.
00:34:24.120 These are critical
00:34:25.040 issues that need
00:34:25.920 to be aired during
00:34:27.020 an election.
00:34:27.380 So if the
00:34:29.860 intention of the
00:34:31.600 law is to
00:34:32.800 prosecute people
00:34:33.720 like you that
00:34:35.060 are going out
00:34:35.780 and educating
00:34:37.040 people on the
00:34:38.660 situation, on the
00:34:40.380 leading governing
00:34:41.280 party, then
00:34:42.640 that's a real
00:34:43.420 problem.
00:34:44.400 And so if they
00:34:45.260 do choose to
00:34:45.940 prosecute you,
00:34:47.240 then I do think
00:34:48.500 it would likely be
00:34:49.260 a worthy battle
00:34:49.900 because we can't
00:34:52.480 have laws on the
00:34:53.200 book that stifle
00:34:54.540 freedom of speech,
00:34:56.500 freedom of the
00:34:57.080 press, and your
00:34:58.360 ability to go out
00:34:59.960 there and talk
00:35:00.840 about the issues.
00:35:02.780 Well one of the
00:35:03.260 things that I said
00:35:04.080 to the cops is my
00:35:06.900 plain reading of
00:35:08.280 the law is that I
00:35:10.500 didn't break the
00:35:11.100 law.
00:35:12.200 And this is the
00:35:13.060 weird thing.
00:35:13.620 When they sent me
00:35:14.260 their threat letter
00:35:15.140 over the Christmas
00:35:16.240 break, it included
00:35:18.000 a paragraph that
00:35:20.000 outlines the
00:35:20.940 exemption for books
00:35:22.580 and the promotion
00:35:24.140 of books.
00:35:24.580 So this going
00:35:27.000 after author
00:35:27.760 business was on
00:35:29.200 the minds of
00:35:30.780 Parliament when
00:35:31.460 they wrote this
00:35:32.040 law because they
00:35:33.160 said, oh right,
00:35:34.080 we better have a
00:35:35.000 free speech carve
00:35:36.940 out for books and
00:35:38.220 the promotion
00:35:38.780 of books.
00:35:39.080 So that's the
00:35:39.560 words in there.
00:35:41.140 And Elections
00:35:42.380 Canada put that in
00:35:43.540 their threat letter
00:35:44.320 to me over Christmas
00:35:45.340 so obviously they
00:35:46.220 know, of course
00:35:46.900 they know their
00:35:47.360 own law.
00:35:48.300 What I don't
00:35:49.020 get, Aaron, is
00:35:50.660 why they would
00:35:52.420 proceed against me
00:35:53.640 and my book
00:35:54.320 The Libranos
00:35:55.140 in the face of
00:35:56.560 that clear
00:35:57.000 exemption but
00:35:59.260 not go after
00:35:59.960 23 pro-Trudeau
00:36:02.160 books that were
00:36:02.740 published at the
00:36:03.380 same period.
00:36:04.340 To me that shows
00:36:05.340 bad faith on the
00:36:06.160 part of the
00:36:07.920 investigators or the
00:36:09.080 prosecutor.
00:36:09.700 Maybe bad faith is
00:36:10.580 the wrong word but
00:36:11.840 it sure is a huge
00:36:12.820 question mark.
00:36:13.820 Why?
00:36:15.040 Well, that's
00:36:15.860 absolutely right.
00:36:17.000 I mean, you
00:36:18.220 know, it's quite
00:36:21.000 telling that one
00:36:22.880 book out of 25
00:36:24.500 some odd books that
00:36:26.360 deal with, you
00:36:28.240 know, with issues
00:36:29.560 surrounding the
00:36:30.480 election during the
00:36:31.600 election period is
00:36:32.520 the one that's now
00:36:33.160 being investigated by
00:36:35.580 the elections
00:36:36.480 commissioner.
00:36:37.260 So I do sense that
00:36:39.760 there are some
00:36:41.120 problems here and I
00:36:42.560 think that there is
00:36:43.860 some issues that we
00:36:45.360 need to look into.
00:36:46.040 I mean, certainly it
00:36:46.840 raises some concerns
00:36:47.840 on my end but
00:36:50.000 ultimately, whether
00:36:51.720 it's you or anyone
00:36:52.520 else, I don't think
00:36:53.660 we want the
00:36:55.220 government or
00:36:56.020 government bureaucrats
00:36:57.180 reviewing books,
00:36:59.900 reviewing authors,
00:37:00.940 reviewing publishers
00:37:01.960 because they're
00:37:03.460 publishing books
00:37:04.320 during the election.
00:37:05.760 It goes, in my view,
00:37:07.100 against the intention
00:37:07.940 of that exemption and
00:37:10.000 it goes against the
00:37:11.380 basic fundamentals that
00:37:14.320 we operate under.
00:37:15.300 in a democratic
00:37:16.640 country.
00:37:17.980 I am certain,
00:37:19.760 Aaron, that if this
00:37:21.140 were 10 years ago and
00:37:23.100 if it were Stephen
00:37:23.780 Harper, who was the
00:37:24.900 prime minister, and his
00:37:26.600 election office were
00:37:29.100 calling in left-wing
00:37:31.740 authors who had wrote
00:37:32.820 critical books about
00:37:33.860 him, I think this would
00:37:35.860 be front-page news
00:37:37.020 across the country, top
00:37:38.480 of the news on the CBC
00:37:39.560 broadcast.
00:37:41.000 People would be calling
00:37:41.860 for his resignation, the
00:37:43.100 resignation of Elections
00:37:44.200 Canada officials, but
00:37:47.660 because it's Justin Trudeau
00:37:50.300 and I'm a conservative
00:37:51.540 critic and the rebel is
00:37:53.540 not the favorite of the
00:37:54.500 media party, I think it's
00:37:56.300 going to be silence from
00:37:58.540 the CBC, from the media
00:37:59.660 party, and from all the
00:38:00.660 free speech civil liberties
00:38:01.660 groups that would normally
00:38:02.860 be squawking.
00:38:03.820 Canadian Civil Liberties
00:38:04.880 Association, Canadian
00:38:05.980 Journalists for Free
00:38:06.700 Expression, Penn Canada,
00:38:08.580 Canadian Association of
00:38:09.580 Journalists, they're all
00:38:10.920 utterly silent, just like
00:38:12.640 they were silent when you
00:38:13.920 and I and True North went
00:38:15.720 to court over the elections
00:38:17.160 debate.
00:38:17.780 I think the other media
00:38:20.020 don't actually care because
00:38:22.780 they're liberal.
00:38:24.600 Well, you know, what I can
00:38:26.840 say is that it's pretty
00:38:30.000 clear that the effort to
00:38:32.660 investigate this issue is
00:38:34.000 happening in what appears
00:38:35.440 to me a pretty backroom
00:38:38.040 scenario.
00:38:38.920 It was literally a back
00:38:40.180 room.
00:38:40.460 There were no windows in
00:38:41.420 that room.
00:38:41.920 Yeah, I think that, you
00:38:44.320 know, your reporting on this
00:38:45.260 is very important because
00:38:46.400 otherwise I imagine that
00:38:48.620 these types of things do
00:38:49.640 happen behind closed doors.
00:38:51.500 That's what's troubling about
00:38:52.600 it.
00:38:53.060 But as I said before, I mean,
00:38:54.320 I think this raises very
00:38:55.360 serious concerns about the
00:38:58.500 sorts of investigations that
00:39:00.520 are being taken on and in
00:39:02.340 particular the issues that
00:39:04.680 arise when selective complaints
00:39:08.860 are investigated.
00:39:11.560 I think this is a very
00:39:13.240 serious issue that you're
00:39:14.240 bringing forward and we're
00:39:15.100 just thrilled to be part of
00:39:16.040 it.
00:39:16.560 Well, thank you.
00:39:17.980 I like your fighting spirit
00:39:19.240 and I was there in court when
00:39:20.520 you and your colleague David
00:39:22.260 just, it was like watching a
00:39:24.500 beautiful symphony.
00:39:26.040 You two and then the lawyer for
00:39:27.900 True North.
00:39:28.880 I loved it.
00:39:29.760 You guys were outgunned and
00:39:30.820 outspent by the feds and you
00:39:32.140 won.
00:39:32.780 Okay, let me ask you a
00:39:33.660 question and I want to
00:39:34.760 preface it by saying you're
00:39:36.580 our lawyer so you give us some
00:39:38.380 advice sometimes that's private
00:39:39.920 and it's subject to solicitor
00:39:41.480 client privilege which means
00:39:43.080 the government can't know
00:39:44.040 about it.
00:39:44.740 And I don't want you to divulge
00:39:46.380 any secrets online because I
00:39:48.100 know they're watching me.
00:39:49.220 They told me.
00:39:49.980 They watch my videos in the
00:39:51.320 government.
00:39:52.680 What can you say though that
00:39:55.040 doesn't give away a solicitor
00:39:56.560 client privilege about how we'll
00:39:59.500 fight back?
00:40:00.260 And the reason I'm asking is a
00:40:01.400 lot of our viewers, they want to
00:40:02.880 sort of know the battle plan.
00:40:04.800 My hunch, and we haven't talked
00:40:06.380 about this much, is that right
00:40:08.100 now I really don't have a lot of
00:40:09.600 remedies because they haven't
00:40:10.760 really done anything other than
00:40:12.000 ask me some dumb questions.
00:40:13.800 But they're implying they might
00:40:15.560 subpoena documents.
00:40:16.720 They're implying that they might
00:40:19.060 charge me.
00:40:20.220 There's a lot of things they're
00:40:21.400 hinting at.
00:40:22.240 They won't even show me the
00:40:23.220 complaint which I think is, it's
00:40:25.860 so Orwellian.
00:40:27.100 Is there anything at this stage
00:40:29.160 to do or do we have to wait
00:40:30.460 until they actually pull the
00:40:31.420 trigger?
00:40:32.120 Well, ultimately I think it
00:40:33.140 depends on how willing of an
00:40:39.060 investigated party you're willing
00:40:41.680 to be.
00:40:42.240 I want to fight tooth and
00:40:43.520 nail.
00:40:43.760 Yeah.
00:40:44.400 Every, like every inch.
00:40:45.940 I want to do everything I can.
00:40:48.640 I think you know that.
00:40:49.480 Yeah.
00:40:49.760 No, absolutely.
00:40:50.320 I mean, I know how you fight and
00:40:53.000 I love it.
00:40:53.600 I think that, you know, even based
00:40:56.620 on the letter, right, and I think
00:40:58.200 it's clear to see that there's an
00:41:01.140 implication that there's a way out
00:41:02.600 if you play nice.
00:41:03.980 Right.
00:41:04.520 That's why I went down there.
00:41:05.780 They said if you're smart you'll
00:41:06.920 come and talk to us.
00:41:08.200 Yeah.
00:41:08.580 And so I think that by pushing back
00:41:12.460 a little bit you're causing a
00:41:14.340 little bit of a dilemma for them.
00:41:15.560 But ultimately I think the idea is
00:41:19.960 to fully participate in the
00:41:22.360 investigation to the extent that
00:41:24.240 they require you to.
00:41:26.620 It is, you know, it's a serious
00:41:29.500 investigation as you described
00:41:31.640 earlier.
00:41:32.160 They go after serious offenses and
00:41:34.500 they can give out some pretty
00:41:35.360 serious punishments.
00:41:38.700 So it's important to cooperate in
00:41:39.960 the investigation but at the same
00:41:41.520 time it is important to push back,
00:41:44.560 to fight back, and ultimately to
00:41:47.560 prevail upon what in our view
00:41:51.380 appears to be an undemocratic law.
00:41:54.680 All right.
00:41:56.920 I have a few ideas I want to talk
00:41:58.660 to you about privately because they
00:41:59.840 might be dumb ideas, they might be
00:42:01.060 smart ideas.
00:42:01.860 I think you and I should talk
00:42:03.100 privately and if we have a letter
00:42:05.760 or an application that we're going
00:42:07.480 to file we'll show our viewers the
00:42:09.940 finished product because I don't
00:42:12.060 want to give Trudeau's cops early
00:42:15.300 warning of what we're doing.
00:42:16.880 If we're going to slap them with some
00:42:18.600 sort of suit, I want them to get that
00:42:21.800 not one minute earlier than they
00:42:23.360 deserve.
00:42:24.060 So let's see you and I have a private
00:42:25.260 conversation.
00:42:26.620 But I wanted to show our viewers how
00:42:29.300 seriously I'm taking it, that we're
00:42:31.240 dealing with the law firm that beat
00:42:32.720 Trudeau like a drum.
00:42:34.040 But that's also affordable, thank you,
00:42:38.380 and that believes in freedom.
00:42:42.220 So we'll talk more off camera, but I
00:42:45.760 wanted to prove to the viewers that we
00:42:47.380 were lawyering up, that we were doing
00:42:49.480 it smart, that we're not going to roll
00:42:51.940 over.
00:42:53.320 And look, we spent 18 grand with David
00:42:57.680 and Aaron in October.
00:43:00.440 Well worth it.
00:43:01.620 I think, depending on how hard these
00:43:05.040 guys fight, this could be more, like
00:43:07.980 if they go away, obviously there's no
00:43:09.640 cost.
00:43:10.580 But if this goes to a full fight, like
00:43:13.180 your bill, and like I say, it was
00:43:15.700 barely 10% worth of government charge.
00:43:20.580 It could be 50 grand if this thing goes
00:43:22.640 to like a week-long trial.
00:43:24.460 Well that's right, and again, we're
00:43:25.880 dealing with the same power dynamic, the
00:43:28.120 power imbalance.
00:43:28.820 They'll have six, seven, eight lawyers.
00:43:30.220 They had five lawyers against you at the
00:43:31.960 Debates Commission.
00:43:32.980 Yeah, well that's exactly right.
00:43:34.160 And so that's what I think is going to be
00:43:36.100 the big difference.
00:43:37.540 It's always an uphill battle when you're
00:43:39.660 fighting against a bureaucracy, a
00:43:41.940 government with endless resources.
00:43:44.640 That's the challenge, and that's why it's
00:43:47.420 so important, you know, that we keep
00:43:50.100 fighting.
00:43:50.580 Well thank you for that.
00:43:51.640 My friends, if you want to help, go to
00:43:52.860 SaveRebelNews.com.
00:43:54.200 And by the way, if you have an MP or an
00:43:58.360 MPP or an MLA who claims to believe in
00:44:01.080 freedom of speech, maybe ask them about
00:44:03.140 this.
00:44:04.300 Maybe if the Conservative Party or Canadian
00:44:07.840 Civil Liberties Association asks you for a
00:44:10.200 donation, maybe you can say, well, if you go
00:44:13.100 fight for free speech.
00:44:14.040 Otherwise, maybe give it to Aaron and David
00:44:16.840 to help us fight this one.
00:44:17.860 I think that this is the Civil Liberties
00:44:20.100 fight of 2020.
00:44:21.040 This is how Justin Trudeau is going to
00:44:23.340 play.
00:44:23.900 So if you can help us out with even 10
00:44:25.580 bucks, I'll have Aaron and his colleague
00:44:28.280 David, who's not here today.
00:44:29.440 I'll have them on whenever we have news.
00:44:31.820 I'll email you if we have updates.
00:44:34.400 And so help me God, we will push back
00:44:37.960 against this little censor named Justin
00:44:40.280 Trudeau.
00:44:41.240 That's it for today, my friends.
00:44:42.940 Aaron, it's great to see you in studio.
00:44:44.640 Thank you for coming here.
00:44:45.940 I swear we will fight till it's done.
00:44:49.020 And even then we won't stop fighting.
00:44:51.040 All right.
00:44:51.720 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World
00:44:53.580 Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep
00:44:56.640 fighting for freedom.
00:44:57.600 and where me goes.
00:45:00.140 We'll be right back.
00:45:01.500 Especially if we have fun today.
00:45:02.400 We'll be right back.
00:45:03.200 We'll be right back.
00:45:04.200 I'm opponents.
00:45:04.280 We'll be right back.
00:45:04.920 We'll be right back.
00:45:05.880 We'll be right back.
00:45:08.120 We'll be right back.
00:45:08.620 We'll be right back.
00:45:08.760 We'll be right back.
00:45:09.740 We'll be right back.
00:45:10.940 And if we haven't done this weekend,
00:45:11.320 we'll be right back.
00:45:11.680 So we'll be right back.
00:45:11.900 And we'll be right back.