Trump calls it a “game changer” — is hydroxychloroquine a cure for Coronavirus？
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Is there a medicine that cures coronavirus? Is there a cure for it? Ezra Levant goes through a survey of thousands of doctors around the world, in the US, Spain and Italy, and hundreds of doctors in China, asking them, is there any medicine that particularly works on the virus? And they say yes.
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Hello, my friends. I'm excited about today's show. I go through a survey of thousands of doctors on
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the front line around the world, in the United States, but also Spain and Italy, and even
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hundreds of doctors in China asking them, is there any medicine that particularly works on
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the coronavirus? And I'll tell you what they say. It's an amazing study. I'm so glad to have read it.
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Tonight, is there a medicine that cures coronavirus? Let me take you a survey of
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thousands of front line doctors. It's April 3rd, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's
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A pandemic is one of the few times we really need to rely on authorities and institutions,
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and I think it's fair to say that ours have failed us. One of the most basic definitions
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of a country, a place with a border that is enforced against non-citizens, especially dangerous
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ones, that's utterly been failed by Trudeau, not just at Roxham Road, but through flights from China
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and other dangerous places that continue to land daily. Literally every day, David Menzies
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interviews foreign arrivals at Canadian airports, especially here in Toronto, who can't believe
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they're just let in with no screening at all. Here's a guy who came in all the way from Mozambique.
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That's in Southern Africa. It's one of the poorest countries in the world. He went through four
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airports to get home, but Canada was the only place that didn't take his temperature.
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What about having your temperature remotely checked? Did you get that done?
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Not in this country. I'm coming from Mozambique, so I've flown halfway around the world and I got my
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forehead beeped on the way down and all the way back, except for here.
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But by the same token, you didn't get your temperature checked here, but you got it checked in Mozambique, right?
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Yeah, and our public health officers said things that are just manifestly untrue, like the absurd idea
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counter to science, also counter to common sense. The bizarre excuse that face masks not only don't work,
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Our position right now is that put a mask on someone with symptoms if they should need essential
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services. Like if you have symptoms, you have to stay at home. You should not be wandering around
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the community. If you need to get to a medical facility, at that point in time, that mask might
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actually be useful because you now have infectious droplets that you might send to others. But the
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key is to keep that two meter distance. Masks have to be utilized appropriately too. Most people
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haven't learned how to use masks. So there's many practical aspects of this. So our advice right now
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is there is no need to use a mask for well people. Yeah, that's just not true. In fact, face masks are
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the number one tool used by Taiwan and other countries to fight the virus. Trudeau's handpicked doctor
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spokesman, Theresa Tam, is simply lying to cover up the fact that there just aren't any masks in
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Canada. I learned yesterday that there's not a single Canadian manufacturer of N95 face masks.
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That's a high quality face mask. Not one manufacturer in our whole country. Even now, even in April,
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still none. So yeah, who can you trust? Our health minister? There's no indication that the data that
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came out of China in terms of their infection rate and their death rate was falsified in any way.
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She trusts the Chinese dictatorship, which means she's as trustworthy as the Chinese dictatorship
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because she just repeats what they say. So she's not trustworthy at all. So who can we trust? Is
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Donald Trump any better? I think he is. Unlike Trudeau, he's not hiding in his house all day in his pajamas.
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He's out there chairing meetings, making decisions, making phone calls. He marshaled America's Army Corps
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of Engineers to build emergency overflow hospitals. He sailed two huge Navy hospital ships to LA and New
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York. He's not afraid to knock a few heads. When General Motors was quarreling with him about
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building ventilators, he dropped the hammer on them using an old law that gives Trump a wartime
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power to order industrial production. Late last night, when Trump heard that the industrial company 3M
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was making masks in America but selling them for quick cash to foreign countries, he was so angry,
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he tweeted about it literally that moment. Yeah, I'm going to take a guess that 3M will not sell
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a single American-made mask outside the U.S. The question is, which side of that wall will Canada
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be in? I don't trust Trudeau to get it done. Wouldn't it be nice if we had someone on guard for our
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national interest like that? Now, the left hates Donald Trump because he beat them in the election.
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Polite company hates Trump because he's impolite, let's be honest. But I'm sorry,
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he's a man that's fit for this time. He's a man for the times. He's not infallible. But tell me
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someone around the world better right now as a national leader. Trump's approval ratings are at
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all-time high, actually. The TV ratings on his daily briefings are at an all-time high, too,
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because people want to know. They want to hear directly from him, the decider. They don't trust the
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media to report what he says fairly. They want to hear from themselves, which is precisely why CNN
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has stopped airing his briefings. Seriously, they cut away when he gets to the mic. They're too worried
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that people might like what Trump has to say or realize that they're twisting it. So they're
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literally blacking out what the president of the United States has to say during this crisis. Imagine
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that happening in World War II to FDR. CNN and China's state broadcasters are... Tell me the
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difference between them. If Trump would say two plus two is four, the media would say it's actually
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five. Or they'd probably try and say something trickier, like, no, two plus two is 22, just to
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prove Trump wrong on anything. So a few weeks ago, Trump tweeted that there was some hope in finding a
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cure for coronavirus, or at least a way to treat it, to help some patients survive. I'm not talking
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about a vaccine to prevent you from getting it in the first place. I'm talking about a drug you take
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if you already have the disease to help you get through it. Here's Trump's tweet. He said,
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hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin taken together have a real chance to be one of the biggest game
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changers in the history of medicine. The FDA has moved mountains. Thank you. Hopefully they will both.
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H works better with A, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents. And then he continues,
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he said, be put in use immediately. People are dying, move fast, and God bless everyone.
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And he copied the Twitter accounts of the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration,
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the Centers for Disease Control, and Homeland Security. Well, the media party exploded. I swear
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they hate Trump so much. If Trump is fighting against the virus, they will cheer for the virus.
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I'm not even kidding. They immediately denounced Trump. I'm not talking about doctors denouncing
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Trump. I actually didn't even see any of that. I'm talking about pundits, political commentators,
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journalists, know-nothings who had never heard the words hydroxychloroquine or azithromycin before.
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Who has? Suddenly they knew, they just knew that if Trump liked those medicines, they didn't.
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Even if it was a virus medicine, it was nuts. In fact, a couple of Democrat governors
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actually immediately banned those medicines just to show how mad they were at Trump. One reporter said
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that this, they really, really pulled out the stops on this one. One reporter said that some
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Trump voter who heard Trump say this ingested something that sounded like hydroxychloroquine or
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azithromycin, and she and her husband died, or she didn't die, her husband died because they both took
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it. And oh, did that report go viral, to use a phrase. Everyone laughed and laughed. A stupid
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Trump supporter following stupid Trump's stupid advice went and got themselves dead. Case closed.
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Those drugs were bad. But hang on, they didn't actually take the drug. You can't just get that
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drug anywhere. What they ingested was aquarium cleaner, not a drug. They ate aquarium cleaner because one of
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the words sounded the same. They were so desperate to be saved from coronavirus, I guess. But
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only later did we find out the truth. No, they weren't Trump supporters. They were actually
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avid Democrats. The wife was a Democrat donor. And no, they didn't take the aquarium cleaner together,
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let alone as medicine. The wife poisoned her husband and then used Trump as an excuse, as an alibi. So yeah,
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that's the science that the media party believes. So I'm not going to put myself forward as an expert
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in this matter. I'm not a scientist or a doctor. I saw this story about a board certified doctor in
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New York State who claims to have cured nearly 700 patients using that medicine. But look, I have no
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idea who that guy is. I didn't want to use just one guy as my proof point. Maybe he's a kook.
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But then I came across this. And this is what I want to share with you today. It's a survey of doctors by a
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company called CERMO. Here's their website. They're basically an app for doctors around the world, if I
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understand them correctly. Sort of like a LinkedIn, but just for doctors. So it's professional. They share tips
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and warnings and ask questions about practical things. It sounds really useful to me. Anyway, CERMO asked the
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doctors in their network around the world some very simple questions about coronavirus. And the
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medicine that Trump was talking about was one of the questions. So this is very interesting to me.
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CERMO isn't political. These doctors aren't pundits. They're busy people doing real medicine.
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And these days, they're doing a lot of talking about coronavirus, of course. So yesterday, CERMO
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formally published the results of their doctor survey. Let me take you through it.
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COVID-19 real-time barometer study, March 25 to 27. So it's a few days old now, but it was only
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published yesterday. I'm sure they'll have an updated version of this survey in the future.
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I'll tell you what they say if there's anything interesting there. But here's what they said
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yesterday. Let me start with the methodology. Let me read this in full because I actually think this
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is very persuasive. Methodology. Wave one of CERMO's COVID-19 barometer survey was launched on
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March 25 and fielded over three days. Physicians were not incentivized to participate in the study.
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So no one was paid to do this. The sample represents physicians registered with CERMO,
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a secure digital online platform designed for physician networking and anonymous survey research.
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The platform is exclusive to verified and licensed physicians. Given the strategic importance of this
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topic, a total of 6,227 physicians across all specialties were sampled. The 30 countries included
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in the sample are United States, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Germany, Italy, UK, France,
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Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, Turkey, Poland, Russia, Finland, Ireland, Switzerland,
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Austria, Denmark, Norway, Greece, Taiwan, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, including China and Hong Kong.
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Results are reported for individual countries with a minimum sample size of 250.
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Such as sample size provides for point estimates within a plus or minus 6% precision at a 94%
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confidence level. In situations where the sample size for a country is below 250, countries are
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aggregated to provide a meaningful regional view. No weighting factor was applied to any individual
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sampling unit, either in the selection of physicians who received an invite to participate
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or in any analysis conducted post-data collection.
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Some of that might have sounded like statistical mumbo-jumbo to you, but what I saw there was a
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rigorous survey. Do you agree? Well, certainly more rigorous than any journalist. Anyways,
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it is what it is. Let's read it. Doesn't it sound more trustworthy than something Justin Trudeau or
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Patty Heide or Teresa Sam would say? Let's see. I mean, forget the media party. Let's see. And frankly,
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this is even more credible than what Donald Trump, a politician, would say. These are real doctors
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actually treating real people around the world. Don't you want to hear what they want to say?
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Are you curious? I am. Okay, let's get to it. Sample geographic distribution. So here's
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where the doctors are from. A lot are from America, obviously, including a lot in New York and
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California. That's useful. Lots in Europe, too, including Italy and Spain, which were hard hit
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by the virus. You can see Germany in there. And interestingly, 245 doctors in China are on the list.
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I think that's very interesting. And you can see there are 1,100 others around the world. So let's just
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go through this. When do you think that your region will pass the peak of the outbreak? That's a good
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question. So purple is doctors saying the worst is over. Only Chinese doctors say that, 90% of them.
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Now, who knows if that's the truth or Chinese propaganda, but it's what they say. Who knows
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how free those doctors are to speak the truth? Or perhaps it's really true the virus has wiped out so
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much, ravaged things so badly there, that they really are through the worst of it. It could be.
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31% in Italy say the worst is over. And pretty much no one else even comes close. That's sort of obvious.
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So that rings true. Next question. When do you expect your region will be able to lift current
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restrictions on movements? So you can see the bar that's second from the right. That's China. So half of
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Chinese doctors say that within the week or the next one or two weeks. But everywhere else in the
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world, it's much further into the future. In Italy and Spain, they're talking about a month plus.
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In the rest of Europe, it's months. In America, it's months. That's what they think it'll be.
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And here's what they want it to be. That's a little bit different, isn't it?
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When would you recommend your region lift the current restrictions on movements? So let's just look at
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the New York numbers. 29% of the doctors there say they want two months plus. 24% say they want about
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two months. So more than half the doctors in New York want lockdowns for two months or even more.
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That's a bit scary. There are some other very interesting questions in the survey. We'll have
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the survey linked on the webpage below this video if you want to go through it. How long does it take
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to get your virus tests back? What do you as a doctor feel you need to learn more about? Do you
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think your government is properly balancing healthcare and the economy? Lots of interesting
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stuff in there, country by country. I recommend you read it. But I want to talk about those drugs
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Trump mentioned. So look at this question. Please indicate which medications, if any, you have
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personally prescribed or have seen used in your setting to fight COVID-19. And then they summarize
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the answers. Three most commonly prescribed treatments from a list of 15 options are analgesics,
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56%, azithromycin, 41%, and hydroxychloroquine, 33%. Now analgesics, that's just a fancy way of
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saying pain relief medication. But look at that number two, azithromycin. And number three,
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hydroxychloroquine. Oh, so exactly what Trump tweeted and exactly what the media party mocked.
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I'm going to put aside pain medication. Let's look at the actual cures here. Azithromycin,
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53% of doctors in Italy recommend it and 64% in Spain. And by the way, 42% of doctors in China
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recommend it. And for hydroxychloroquine, 50% in Italy, 61% in Spain, 43% in China. What do you think?
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It's pretty clear to me. Okay. This next question is smart because it's, it's one thing to actually
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prescribe medicine to do something, but what does the doctor actually think works? That's a little
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bit different, isn't it? So look at the wording here. Of the medications you have personally prescribed
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or have seen used, please indicate which ones are most effective. So a doctor might just be
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going through the motions because everyone else is. But this question says, was it actually working?
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37% of physicians who have treated COVID-19 patients believe hydroxychloroquine is the
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most effective therapy of a list of 15 options. Now, interestingly, unfortunately, 51% of American
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doctors say nothing is the most effective. But 23% and 18% say the two Trump drugs work.
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In the other jurisdictions though, Italy, Spain, the rest of Europe, China, they overwhelmingly say
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the two Trump drugs work best. In Italy and Spain, which have had it the worst, they say
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hydroxychloroquine is the best. 62% of doctors say that. Now I want to learn why. And I want to learn
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why American doctors don't agree. Maybe they just haven't had the unfortunate experience of mass
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infections yet. I don't know. But I'm pretty open to trusting doctors from Italy and Spain,
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at least more than, you know, the Communist Party of China or the World Health Organization.
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Now there's a few more questions, but I want to show you one more that's sort of technical,
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but it shows what kind of survey this CERMO company does. Really practical stuff for doctors
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to use. Here's this one. What hydroxychloroquine treatment regimens have you prescribed or have seen
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used in your setting? The two most common treatment regimens for hydroxychloroquine were
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38% of people saying 400 milligrams twice daily on a day one, 400 milligrams daily for five days. And
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26% say 400 milligrams twice daily on day one and 200 milligrams twice daily for four days. Now,
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obviously I have no idea, but that's the point. These are thousands of doctors around the world
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say, well, this is how I do it. Well, this is how I do it. I'm going to trust these people talking to
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each other about, well, have you tried this or maybe do this or give a big dose at first and then
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cut it? Whatever. I think I trust these 6,200 doctors around the world more than I trust Justin
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Trudeau, Patty Heidi, Teresa Tam. Don't you? Now, look, I don't know. I don't know. But I do know one
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thing. Our Canadian political leaders have failed us. Our media has failed us. Our official
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doctor politicians like Teresa Tam have failed us. But I think these thousands of doctors on this
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survey on the front lines, I think they're worth a listen. To hell with the media party who are
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Welcome back. Well, the world is in chaos and panic. Massive unemployment in Canada and the United
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States and surely Western Europe, too. How many people will die is yet unknown. But of course,
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any death is a tragedy. The Communist Party of China bears so much blame for covering up and lying.
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But there is one group that is cheering, cheering for the virus. Look at this poster, this handbill.
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Corona is the cure. Humans are the disease. And that outlandish, anti-human propaganda, that death
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cults manifesto is actually signed. That's not an anonymous piece of graffiti. That is a professionally
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graphically laid out document signed by Extinction Rebellion. That is Greta Thunberg's street gang.
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Typically, they just shut down streets in protest, whether in London, England or Edmonton, Alberta.
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Here they are cheering for a virus that is killing people. But at the end of the day, is that not the
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most succinct summary of the global warming philosophy that people are the problem? Joining us
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now via Skype is our friend Mark Morano, the top boss at climatedepot.com. And I must say,
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Mark, you're looking pretty sharp today. I like your quarantine wear, if I may say so.
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Thank you. This is my flatten the curve flat cap. And then I'm here at home self-quarantine. But
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actually, you know, I've been getting out a lot actually to do essential shopping and running and
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all that. So it's it's you. Virginia is one of the states on complete lockdown, allegedly. So we'll see
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how long this lasts. Right. Well, you look in good spirits. I'm very glad to hear that and to see you
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in good health. Now, you, of course, have been tracking the anti-human nature of globalist
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environmental extremists. At the end of the day, if you think human development and GDP and
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prosperity and development is bad, what you're really saying is that people are bad. Am I right?
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You are. And this is goes in line with many environmentalists who've said that humans are
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the virus on the planet and that we need to be eradicated. We have a voluntary human extinction
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movement that is only partially satire. And actually, they actually mean it. And they talk
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the warnings of overpopulation, Paul Ehrlich. It all goes along with that. You have people like
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Andrew Revkin, the former New York Times reporter who talks about the Anthropocene as though humans
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have now taken over the, you know, one of the epics of the planet and where it's now, you know,
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it's all it is, is the human caused epic. And other, you know, people who study this say that's
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not the case at all. But with the case of Extinction Rebellion, calling, you know, the humans what they
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have here, what's interesting is the media reached out and some, some in Extinction Rebellion tried to
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say, oh, now we disavowed this. We had nothing to do with it. The problem is Extinction Rebellion by its
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own charter is a leaderless, decentralized group. And so suddenly when it's finally convenient,
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they can't find someone who they claim now as a leader who's going to disavow this.
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This is actually the sentiment of the mainstream Extinction Rebellion. Don't let anyone tell you
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otherwise. Yeah. I mean, I don't know why they would deny it because it's particularly crass, perhaps,
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but that is their essential message. Now, Greta Thunberg herself, she did a very strange
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Instagram post about two weeks ago where she didn't claim she had the virus. In fact,
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she sort of said the opposite. She said, oh, I have the sniffles, but I've quarantined anyways.
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It was a very strange thing, obviously not written by her. We know it's been revealed that she has a team,
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a PR team that handles her social media account. It just, to me, it struck me as so obvious. Like,
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she wasn't sick. She didn't look sick. She didn't claim to be sick, but she just wanted, hey guys,
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don't forget about me. I know you're all talking about this virus. Can we talk about me for a bit?
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And she even made this post just very recently. She said, school strike week 85. Act responsible.
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Your actions can be the difference between life and death for others. But she's not talking about
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the virus. Climate strike online, stay at home Fridays for future. School strike for climate,
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flatten the curve. And scroll down just a little bit there. School strike for the climate.
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And she posted that actually just today. That's the thing, Mark. Every school has been struck,
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if not by the virus itself, by virus panic. Everyone's striking from school now. And it's not good.
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We're all shut down. We're all in a panic mode. We are de-industrializing in a way. This is the
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unhappy future that they wanted for us. Shut down the factory, shut down the roads, stop driving,
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stay at home. This is actually what they said was the utopia. They wanted de-growth, de-work,
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It is. And first of all, a couple of comments. We've seen a lot of, you know, progressives coming
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out and getting their moment in the sun. I may have had the virus. I didn't get a test,
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but I certainly had the symptoms. I think I was sick with it. This was a way for Greta to make
00:25:23.520
herself relevant, first of all, to announce that she might have had the virus, her and her dad.
00:25:27.620
We see Chris Cuomo on CNN with the same thing, describing, you know, a night of nightmares
00:25:34.040
and shivering from a fever. So people, this is a similar way celebrities have used drug rehab. In
00:25:41.140
other words, if your career isn't getting much attention, what better way than to check into a
00:25:45.340
posh rehab facility and suddenly your name's all over the news and you're getting well-wishers and
00:25:50.280
you're back on your agent's desk as being relevant. So interestingly enough, the irony is not lost that
00:25:56.600
you have the school strike movement actually out there now calling for continued school strikes
00:26:01.980
when there is no school. So this whole thing is silly, but it's absolutely, this is the template
00:26:08.040
by which the climate emergency, Extinction Rebellion, Greta Thunberg, the United Nations
00:26:12.600
all want to follow. Just think, Ezra, it was only a couple months ago that we were talking about
00:26:17.840
flight shaming and stopping airline travel except for essential flights. And Greta went all out of the
00:26:24.340
way to take that ridiculous yacht made of plastic and have their crew fly. But now just a few months
00:26:30.800
later, almost all airlines are grounded. They have to be ecstatic and they're publicly saying it at
00:26:36.680
Climate Depot. I've been covering this on a daily basis. Green environmental activists after activists
00:26:41.960
just sort of marveling at how society was so quickly shut down for the virus. And they're saying
00:26:49.040
we need to, we need to have this power for climate change. So they are taking notes and they are
00:26:54.100
coming after the virus to, to, to continue these policies. Yeah. And it's not just radical activists
00:27:00.180
who are saying, isn't this marvelous? This is actually the green utopia. We want no one flying,
00:27:05.080
no one traveling. If you look at the massive spending bill that Nancy Pelosi sent through the Congress,
00:27:12.500
it had Green New Deal elements. I mean, it had a lot of pork in it, but they really do want to
00:27:18.960
use this, never let a crisis go to waste as a Rahm Emanuel, uh, Barack Obama's early chief of staff
00:27:26.860
said, I fear that the government will take control and power, not only over economy, but over our civil
00:27:37.880
liberties, uh, if they can do it for a virus pandemic, well, we already have a climate emergency
00:27:46.680
declared in many legislatures around the world. Uh, the virus threat may or may not be as dire as
00:27:52.900
people say, I'm starting to become more skeptical of that. But what it did is it gave them the template,
00:27:58.880
the precedent, the legislation, the, um, the test drive for what they theoretically could do
00:28:09.800
It absolutely has. And they are liking what they're saying. And here's the thing now,
00:28:14.700
from their point of view, and you can almost understand this from the social progressive left, social
00:28:20.080
justice, if you completely demolish your economy, and by the way, President Trump, I would argue at this
00:28:26.800
point, uh, in early April has by listening to what I call the big public health, the bureaucratic public
00:28:33.440
health in America, including Dr. Fauci has essentially dissolved his entire presidency,
00:28:38.820
uh, in terms of any economic gains. I mean, he listened to them. Now I predict there's going to
00:28:43.920
be a huge public divorce of Trump and public health because public health is unelected. All it's like
00:28:50.300
the old speed limit thing. If speed limits at 15 mile an hour, save one life. Why isn't it worth it?
00:28:56.320
So this is where they are. Public health is never going to allow Trump to restart the economy. There's
00:29:01.680
going to be a public divorce where Trump says enough, we've got to restart the economy here in
00:29:06.340
America. Already we're seeing this essential businesses. We have, um, uh, Hobby Lobby in the
00:29:11.640
United States has declared themselves self-declared, and I give them more power to them, an essential
00:29:15.760
business. And they're reopening and defiance of local governments and state governments. So when this
00:29:21.760
starts happening and there's more movement to reopen and more stuff, public health is not going to
00:29:26.300
like it. They're going to, and by the way, despite the fact there's not excess deaths globally and
00:29:30.740
even in Italy, that's the shocking thing. If this was truly a, you know, some massive killer of
00:29:36.000
humankind, humankind, you would be seeing excess deaths of what you'd normally see this time of
00:29:39.800
year. And it's not in the data. And you can go on my Twitter feed to see some of the stats on that.
00:29:44.520
I don't want to turn this into a Corona thing, but my point is the left progressive left knows that
00:29:51.040
if you're rebuilding an economy, which we are now, and by the way, I oppose the stimulus. I, you know,
00:29:55.420
I can't believe we have Tea Party Republicans elected 2010, Ezra. I spoke at one of the rallies,
00:30:01.420
15,000, 20,000 spontaneous rallies in 2010. These were leaders elected to fight big government
00:30:08.500
chiefly because of Obamacare and Obama's $900 billion stimulus, which led to things like
00:30:14.240
Solyndra and other things. They were elected. One member of the Tea Party class, Representative
00:30:19.700
Thomas Massey of Kentucky, voted against it. So we are seeing a complete realignment. The Tea Party was
00:30:24.780
a farce and a fraud. I'm here to say that to you right now. This might be shocking you. I don't
00:30:29.720
know. But I'm sitting back here watching political realignment. And Donald Trump's lowest moment of
00:30:35.500
his presidency, Ezra, was teaming up with John Kerry to bash Representative Massey for this debt bomb
00:30:41.440
stimulus that he did. So sorry, you probably weren't expecting that from me. So part of me thinks,
00:30:47.200
why wouldn't the progressive left pounce on this moment when America doesn't seem to care about
00:30:52.060
fiscal health, economics, debt? Why not pile on with the Green New Deal? And my question is,
00:30:58.340
what is our real argument at this point? I feel like an idiot many times in the past arguing
00:31:02.200
the climate agenda is a central planning. It's going to cost all this money. And in two weeks,
00:31:08.040
we bombed out some of the worst case scenarios of the climate expenses with what we've done to
00:31:12.560
our economy. So as you can see, I'm processing all this. And this is something that will be opposed.
00:31:19.120
The Green New Deal is coming down for round two and the next stimulus. But it's something that I
00:31:24.360
can understand why they're trying to push it right now. Well, I mean, it is true that there is a deep
00:31:30.200
state. Those are permanent decision makers who do not come and go with elections. And in many cases,
00:31:37.120
they have an area of expertise that makes people defer to them. Normally, we refer to the deep state
00:31:43.680
in the intelligence community, security community. We saw the deep state fight back against Donald
00:31:49.880
Trump, you know, James Comey, the FBI, things like that. But I suppose it is accurate to say there's
00:31:54.840
a deep state on the health care side. And you're right. They have a mentality that you want in a
00:32:01.520
doctor. Like if you go to a doctor voluntarily as a patient, you want your doctor to say, well,
00:32:06.940
here's all of my advice and please follow all of my advice because I got to keep you as healthy as
00:32:12.160
possible. And you can make those choices. But you give that doctor not, you know, the doctor-patient
00:32:18.320
relationship, but a powerful fiat make orders to the whole country relationship. And that's not
00:32:25.640
normally how we deal with doctors. And they may want to stamp out every single case, but they're only
00:32:31.340
thinking like a doctor. They're not thinking about the many millions of people who are not sick, but
00:32:38.780
are now unemployed. Let me just throw one last point to you and then I'll let you close. I went
00:32:43.980
through the New York City casualty stats yesterday. As of yesterday, there were 1,397 deaths in New York
00:32:51.500
City, but 18 and under, which is almost 20% of New York's population, by the way, there was a single
00:32:59.600
death and it was someone with a pre-existing condition. So here you have a population, not a single
00:33:05.760
death by Corona alone. And yet we've shut down all the schools. We've put along a school strike. So I think
00:33:13.120
we have to start balancing the advice of well-meaning doctors with the advice of other people saying, what
00:33:21.100
are you doing to the whole economy and industry? Last word to you, Mark.
00:33:24.040
Well, yeah, there's a study out today saying I think it's four times the level of people projected to commit
00:33:31.640
suicide than projected to die from this virus. In other words, you're losing your house, your home, your car,
00:33:38.200
stress, livelihood. There's a big picture here and public health bureaucracy. Keep in mind, we are talking
00:33:44.200
about, I call him the totalitarian in chief, Anthony Fauci. I mean, he came out today and said he doesn't understand why the
00:33:49.960
entire country is not shutting down. It's not his job to understand that. We have Trump's economic advisor,
00:33:55.640
Larry Kudlow, saying, well, we'll be able to reopen the economy when the doctors say we can. That's not
00:34:01.300
America. We never elected doctors. There's so many other issues besides this virus. You can do a whole,
00:34:08.920
my hero in this, by the way, is Peter Hitchens. If you can get an interview with him, I'd recommend it,
00:34:13.400
the UK, from the UK. Peter Hitchens is pointing out that they're basically the death toll is being
00:34:21.300
juiced, torqued up, in the words of Al Gore when it comes to the UN, in the sense that people are
00:34:26.320
dying with corona, but not because of it. So if you're a terminal cancer patient and you happen
00:34:31.260
to test positive, which is many false positives and asymptomatic cases, suddenly you're a victim of
00:34:36.160
corona, even though you were on your deathbed. So there's, and they're also weaponizing the virus
00:34:41.720
count. They're counting things in a way that they never did with flu and pneumonia. Again,
00:34:46.520
a way to juice up the death count, to have a daily death toll. And I think President Trump will realize
00:34:51.800
this. I think he's within two weeks of realizing it, and we are going to have a bloodbath. By the
00:34:55.840
way, Ezra, there already have, Democrats are already laying the groundwork for the next round of
00:35:00.440
impeachment, possibly before the 2020 election, for President Trump not acting quick enough and
00:35:06.200
ignoring the warnings. And again, this is Bill Gates, I predict a pandemic. We've been
00:35:11.340
expecting a pandemic since 1918 and the Spanish flu. So anyone predicting bad things and bad
00:35:17.340
viruses, that's not a prediction. I'm sorry. We should have been prepared as a country better.
00:35:23.420
That's not President Trump's fault. If anything, it's big public health's fault. Well, they sit back
00:35:28.180
there. They were, you know what they were doing before this happened? Daily, nightly, a war on vaping
00:35:33.180
in America. The CDC, knowing full well that these were illegal black market vapes out there for THC,
00:35:40.920
nothing to do with stuff you would buy in a store, told people to stop vaping while they allowed
00:35:45.060
cigarette smoke. This is what happened. Then you have the World Health Organization, who literally
00:35:49.400
declared climate the greatest threat two years ago, and they're involved in all these ridiculous
00:35:53.520
climate studies. We're now taking the word of World Health Organization, and not only taking the word,
00:35:57.900
but taking policy direction. Big public health is self-interested lobbying organizations. Yes,
00:36:04.900
they care about the public. Yes, they do important work. But there's also that element of the progressive
00:36:09.600
left. I'll leave you with this. Steve Malloy at Junk Science has said, just like an education,
00:36:15.540
he doesn't know a single conservative or libertarian involved in public health anymore,
00:36:19.700
because you're just not welcome. This is about remaking society into a nanny state,
00:36:26.220
and nothing can be more seen than we're seeing with this virus right now, and the climate activists
00:36:30.560
are taking note. I'm sorry if that was more than you brought up today, Ezra, but I've been on
00:36:34.900
quarantine and just busting to get all this out. Well, thank you, and the sun is beaming down. It
00:36:40.860
looks like you're in a gorgeous place in Virginia there. Well, you've given me a lot to think about,
00:36:45.600
and I'm trying to work my way through this. On the one hand, I want to acknowledge that there is a risk
00:36:49.920
here, and I want to acknowledge that the risk may be hidden because of communist China's secrecy
00:36:55.320
and cover-ups and things like that. So I want to remain open-minded to the possibility that this
00:37:01.940
is bad. On the other hand, go ahead. Yeah. I don't want to act like I'm not taking the virus
00:37:10.000
seriously. It is a very serious virus. It's new, so our defenses aren't up, and it's in a pandemic
00:37:15.620
phase. You don't want to overhaul. I understand flatten the curve, but there are things we could
00:37:20.400
have done less severe, like we could have quarantined old people, quarantined the vulnerable,
00:37:25.620
supported hospitals. You had businesses and social distancing. You could have allowed churches.
00:37:31.740
There's all kinds of things you could have done by getting the message out, but this is the heavy
00:37:34.920
hand of government. We have the New Jersey governor now telling its citizens today that even inside the
00:37:40.320
home, you should practice social distancing. People being arrested, roadblocks set up, people
00:37:45.860
demanding police bananing where you want to go. This is not an America worth living in because of
00:37:50.900
a virus scare. I'm sorry. Yeah, that crazy talk about social distancing within your own house,
00:37:58.480
police check stops on the road. I don't believe that will last long or end well if it does last
00:38:04.980
long, especially if you have 10, 20, 30 million Americans out of work. I just don't think that's
00:38:10.840
unsustainable. Mark Morano, very interesting talk. This is what happens when government shuts
00:38:17.380
everything down. There is more to life than being afraid of a virus and worried about it,
00:38:22.380
however legitimate the virus is, and that's what's been lost here, and I think Donald Trump
00:38:26.380
is going to wake up very soon. I think you're probably right. All right, Mark Morano, great to
00:38:30.260
catch up. So much to think over. Great to see you. All right, appreciate it. There you have it,
00:38:35.960
Mark Morano. The sun was beaming down on the video camera there, but I think we saw him pretty well,
00:38:42.000
and we certainly heard him loud and clear. What do you think of Mark's comments? Very interesting.
00:38:47.020
We want to take care of people. That's our friendship. That's our sense of community. That's
00:38:52.980
our risk management. But at what cost to our liberty and to our economy and to our common sense?
00:39:05.960
Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday. Paul writes, anyone living paycheck to paycheck who
00:39:15.640
has been laid off is already in trouble. That's actually a large percentage of the people out
00:39:19.800
there. Well, yeah, obviously. I mean, listen, we're all in a way living paycheck to paycheck,
00:39:24.320
unless you were a very thoughtful, you know, you know, the ant in the grasshopper in times of
00:39:31.280
plenty. Are you really stocking money away? But that's hard to do. That's hard to do. And a lot
00:39:35.460
of people just didn't. And a lot of the people laid off. A huge number are restaurant workers who
00:39:41.080
are probably young and not that skilled. And they're living on tips from, you know, cash tips
00:39:47.520
and stuff. Those folks don't have savings. Jen writes, I like that the chart breaks down deaths
00:39:55.120
by age and contributing factors. It does provide more perspective to the issue. This whole quarantine
00:40:00.420
business is a difficult subject. Where is the balance of prudence and liberty? You're talking
00:40:05.440
about the New York City death statistics, and I find them useful too. They're very clear, like very
00:40:11.440
clear breakdown by age and by underlying condition. And listen, patterns, that's what we do. That's part
00:40:20.360
of thinking. Can I see a pattern here? Can I understand the world by seeing something happen again and
00:40:25.900
again? And what we were seeing in those New York City stats is that no one, no teenager or less,
00:40:34.680
no one under 20 really, in New York City has died from the virus. And that's almost 2 million people.
00:40:44.260
One person who was a teenager died, but he had another condition. And yet every school in New York
00:40:50.920
is closed. Riddle me that. Go to the other end of the spectrum, 75 and up, that's a high risk group.
00:40:58.540
And if you're 75 and up with an underlying condition, diabetes, cancer, respiratory, okay,
00:41:04.220
we got to lock down those seniors homes. We got to lock down places where seniors are because that
00:41:09.300
is where we got to be really rigorous. Can we do that, please? And let the kids go back to school
00:41:15.780
and let the 20-something waiters go back to the restaurants. And can we get a little less
00:41:22.800
one-size-fits-all, please? That's all I'm saying. If you think for a second I'm saying who cares about
00:41:27.940
the seniors, I'm actually saying the opposite. I'm saying let's keep the economy from cratering
00:41:32.880
by letting young people go to work. They want to work. And let's just redirect our care and attention
00:41:38.540
to those seniors. I'm fine stationing a cop outside every senior's home. And instead of a
00:41:44.560
bullet gun, how about a thermometer gun that you either aim at long distance or you touch to
00:41:49.740
someone's head? You know, instead of having cops tool around saying, oh, there's five people in a
00:41:54.800
playground because they've been cooped up in their house for a week. Hey, how about lay off that family
00:42:00.280
who are living together anyways? And how about, you know, I would be totally cool with having a cop
00:42:05.560
outside a nursing home taking everyone's temperature on their forehead. Oh, you got a
00:42:12.040
fever, you ain't going in there. That, how's that not smarter? I don't know. You tell me if I'm wrong.
00:42:17.640
Grace writes, we need to figure out how to get people back to work, not how to quarantine people
00:42:22.200
and shut down the economy. Well, I took a poll on my Twitter stream the other day. Now, granted,
00:42:28.000
that's self-selected. I said to people, what's the greatest risk? The virus, the economic breakdown,
00:42:35.560
or the infringements on our civil liberties over overacting police and in surveillance.
00:42:43.520
The number one answer was economic. The number two was police and viruses was number three,
00:42:47.960
because you know what? You know, every death is a tragedy, but we are all going to die.
00:42:52.940
I don't want that to happen prematurely for anyone. But so far, thank God and knock on wood,
00:42:58.900
the death toll in Canada is not shocking. It's not the kind of death toll that we have been panicked
00:43:07.500
into believing. And if our numbers here are similar to in New York, it's a very particular demographic,
00:43:14.660
seniors with underlying conditions. So I think if anyone is under 50 and healthy, you know,
00:43:23.060
they might get sick, but they're not going to die. That's the math out of New York. And this is not me
00:43:29.160
trying to be callous or sound callous. If you have a hundred people who could go out into the world
00:43:35.920
and fix this problem, instead of spreading them out evenly, why don't you have 90% of them focus on
00:43:43.220
the real risk groups? And the other 10% just focus on, okay, is everyone wearing a mask? Is everyone,
00:43:49.260
you know, washing their hands? So have 10% of your work on the 90% who don't need the help
00:43:54.860
and have 90% of your focus on the 10% who do. I don't know. I'm open to advice. I'll tell you one
00:44:01.920
thing. Trudeau, Teresa Tam, and Patty Hajdu are taking their advice from the World Health Organization
00:44:07.320
and the Chinese Communist Party. They are of no help. In fact, I think they're dangerous.
00:44:12.020
All right, that's the show for today. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at
00:44:15.100
Rubble World Headquarters to you at home, good night, stay safe, and keep fighting for freedom.