Trump grills Trudeau at NATO meeting, forcing answers Canadians have waited on for year
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At a NATO meeting, Donald Trump grilled Justin Trudeau about how much money Canada spends on its military, and the answer came out pretty much exactly as you would expect from a Canadian Prime Minister. It's not pretty, and it's not funny.
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Hello, Rebels. Today, our dear leader, Justin Trudeau, was at a NATO meeting, and Donald
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Trump asked him a very simple question in their press conference, cameras rolling. How
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much do you spend on your military? Oh, he didn't like to answer that. I'll show you
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the video clip, and I'll show you the truth. Even the CBC did a fact check on Trudeau,
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the Fibber. Before I do, can I invite you to become a premium member of The Rebel? It's
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Tonight, at the NATO meeting, Justin Trudeau is grilled by Donald Trump. It's not pretty.
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Here's Justin Trudeau getting on a plane to London where the NATO leaders are having a
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meeting. That's his son with him. I don't blame him. It's more interesting than going
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to school, and Sophie isn't seen in public much with Trudeau anymore. I like that Trudeau,
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I like that he waves, even when there's no one there other than a media party photographer.
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He knows the media party will make it look like he was waving to adoring crowds. Speaking
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of children, look at the submissive pose that Trudeau strikes when he's in the presence of
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Trump. He always does this. He sits with his legs crossed like a good boy or something.
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I find it very odd, very odd. He sits in a submissive way in the presence of powerful men.
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Legs aren't crossed here, but he's very much being lectured by a master. That's George Soros.
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It's different than how he is in the presence of women, including powerful women. With them,
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he always asserts physical dominance. He touches them, he hugs them, even touches their bums,
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as he does in the case with no one less than the governor general. He's really weird about things
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like that. I think a lot of this traces back to his father and how his father, Pierre,
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treated women and men. I don't quite get it. But enough amateur psychology on my part. Look at
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what actually was said. Donald Trump is trying to get NATO allies to increase their military spending
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to raise it to 2% of GDP. It's not really that much. That's 1 50th of our GDP. Think of it as an
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insurance policy on being free. I mean, it's not nothing, but it's hardly onerous.
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Now, when actual Canadian soldiers ask Trudeau to spend more on the military,
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serving military or veterans, including wounded veterans, here's what Trudeau has to say to them.
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First of all, why are we still fighting against certain veterans groups in court? Because
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they're asking for more than we are able to give right now.
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Yeah, but Trudeau always manages to find money when it's, say, Omar Cotter or something that Trudeau
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thinks is really cool. You know, he literally gave $50 million of our money to some scheme just
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because Trevor Noah, the US late night talk show host, was pitching it just for some momentary buzz
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on a viral tweet. But our military, not so much. We're barely spending half of our NATO requirement.
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1.27% of our GDP. I'm sorry to be mean, but we're freeloaders. Of course we are. We have been for
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almost a century and no one would quarrel with that in absolute terms. I mean, we have one-tenth the
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population of the United States, less than one-tenth the wealth of the United States. But we're the
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second largest country in the world geographically with a huge coastline. So obviously we're going
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to need some help defending our airspace, our territory, especially in the north. The Yanks
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were only too happy to help, especially considering how we punched above our weight in the Second World
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War. And in Korea, too, we were there. But over the years, really starting during Pierre Trudeau's
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tenure, we pretty much shut down our military, at least in many respects. Did you know Canada used to
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have an aircraft carrier? And instead we used the money for social programs? In a way, the United
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States simply subsidized us. They took care of our defense spending, so we spent the money
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on welfare and hospitals and schools. Or actually, come to think of it, all those things are provincial
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matters. So more like the Fed spent their money on things like the CBC and official bilingualism and
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multiculturalism and foreign aid, including the China. So now Donald Trump is saying, hey, NATO allies,
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pull your weight. He's saying that to every NATO ally, especially to France and Germany. And they
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hate it, but they are doing it. I mean, just strictly from an economic point of view, imagine if the United
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States withdrew its military from Germany. It's had bases there since the end of the Second World War.
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Imagine the billions of dollars a year that would cost the German economy. Trump's just saying, hey,
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we're happy to put the man and machinery there, but can you pay a little bit yourself? Here's Trump
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at an earlier NATO meeting making that exact case.
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After years of cutting defense budgets, they have started to add billions to their defense
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budgets. And last year was the biggest increase in defense spending across Europe and Canada in a
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generation. Why was that last year? It's also because of your leadership, because of your clear
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message. And they won't write that. No, I have said it before. But the thing is that
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it really has, your message is having an impact.
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Yeah. By the way, in the feverish imagination of the left and so much of the media,
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Donald Trump is supposed to be the secret agent for Vladimir Putin. Now, if that's true,
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he's got to be the worst Russian spy in history. He's spending his time pressuring European
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countries to rebuild their armies. Oh, and by the way, to not buy natural gas from Russia.
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Pretty bad Soviet agent, if you ask me. Anyways, back to today. Here's how it went in London. Just watch.
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Mr. President, Canada does not meet the 2% standard. Should it have a plan to meet the 2% standard?
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Well, we'll put them on a payment plan, you know? We'll put Canada on a payment plan, right? I'm sure
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the prime minister would love that. What are you at? What is your number?
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The number we talked about is 70% increase over these past years, including, and for the coming
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years, including significant investments in our fighter jets, significant investments in our
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naval fleets. We are increasing significantly our defense spending from previous governments that cut.
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Okay. Where are you now, in terms of your number? We're at 1.35? 1.3. 1.4. 1.4. And continuing to move forward.
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They're getting there. They know it's important to do that. And their economy is doing well. They'll get
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there quickly, I think. Look, it's to their benefit. And the President knows well, as well, that Canada has
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been there for every NATO deployment. We have consistently stepped up, sent our troops into
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harm's way. We're leading in Iraq. We're leading in NATO, in Latvia. We continue to step up. Like
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most of our allies, there are some countries that, even though they might reach the 2%, don't step up
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nearly as much. And I think it's important to look at what is actually being done. And the United States
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and all NATO allies know that Canada is a solid, reliable partner that will continue to defend
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NATO and defend our interests. And we do have tremendous coordination with radar, with all of
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the different things that, you know, technologically, we have tremendous coordination between Canada and
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the United States. How amazing was that, that bluster from Trudeau, avoiding the question of what our
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percentage is, just throwing baffle gab in the air. Now, that's normal for Trudeau. And back here in
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Canada, the media party just accepts it. They don't push back. Trump is used to that, I think.
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Trump himself has a young son, not as young as Trudeau's son. Trump's youngest son, Barron, is 13.
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I'm guessing that Trump has to ask difficult questions more than once to get through a
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teenager's non-answers. It's part of growing up to take responsibility even for tough questions. So
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I think Trump's used to Trudeau's BS style. He just waited for Trudeau's BS to end. And then he
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calmly asked the question again. So what's that number again? How much are you spending as a
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percentage of your GDP? What's the number? That's all he wanted to know. You could hear a voice saying
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1.35 percent. Trudeau rounds up to 1.4 percent. Yeah, no, that's a lie. Here's a CBC article of all
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places, written literally this afternoon. Trudeau's own state broadcaster. So you know they love him.
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You know this is the most favorable possible interpretation. They're his sonographers. He
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pays them. But even they just couldn't lie with a straight face on something so easily
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checkable. Let me quote. In fact, at 1.27 percent of GDP, Canada's defense spending is nowhere near
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that level. Oh, the CBC is saying that. So yeah, Trudeau lied. Do you think Donald Trump didn't know
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exactly the amount that Canada spends as a portion of our GDP before he even asked that question? Do
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you really think he didn't know that he wasn't told, that he wasn't briefed? That's all he cares
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about is that number. You saw that in the earlier NATO. All Trump has ever done in his life, by the
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way, is negotiate and make deals. Do you doubt he knew in advance Trudeau's position? What Trudeau was
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at before asking for more? I mean, we know Trudeau doesn't do his readings, doesn't prepare, doesn't
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look at his briefing notes. He's more about smiling and selfies. But all Trump does is deals.
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And think about it. Trudeau's lie of 1.4 percent of GDP instead of the truth, 1.27 percent of GDP.
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Well, what do you know? That's actually pretending we spend 10 percent more than we do.
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So work with me here. Follow me. Just by embarrassing Baron Von Fancy Socks, just by making
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him panic under this questioning on live TV, making him lie in the heat of the moment, Trump
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got Trudeau to commit to a significant spending increase. You can look at it that way. The difference
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between the truth, 1.27 percent of GDP, and the lie, 1.4 percent GDP, is 0.13 percent of
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GDP. It sounds so tiny, right? But Canada's GDP is around $2 trillion. So that little fib
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there, that's about $2.6 billion a year more that Justin Trudeau just pretended to spend,
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just committed to. Well, he didn't really commit to it. He claimed he was already doing
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it. That's a 10 percent increase in our military budget. Isn't that amazing? I think that's
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the fastest negotiation and surrender negotiation in history. Trump, in 90 seconds, got Trudeau
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to blurt out a commitment to a 10 percent increase in military spending. I don't think Trudeau will
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keep that promise, by the way. But he made that promise sitting, what, three feet away from
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Donald Trump? I mean, sure. There were lies even in those numbers, and even in his explanations.
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A significant investment in fighter jets? Don't lie. I mean, I suppose if by that you mean buying
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30-year-old used fighter jets from Australia, we're buying their old F-18s that they're getting rid of
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so they can buy the new F-35s like the rest of the first-ranked militaries in the world. So,
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yeah. New fleets of ships? Yeah, I mean, I guess so. I mean, Trudeau himself tried his best to cancel
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a ship that Harper had commissioned. Remember that? Vice Admiral Mark Norman stopped that
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cancellation, and in vengeance, Trudeau falsely accused him of breaching his oath of loyalty and
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prosecuted him for a crime. Deployments overseas? It's true. It's true. We have some. There's no doubt
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about that. It's also true that the very first thing Trudeau did when he became prime minister in
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2015, in fact, even before he was sworn in, he told the United States that he was pulling out
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our CF-18s from the war against ISIS. Even Barack Obama, who was still U.S. president, then thought
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Trudeau was a slacker, a free rider. If Obama's calling you a slacker? But as Mercedes Stevenson,
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a military expert and pundit, tweets out, even Trudeau's juiced numbers are fake.
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It includes pension spending on bureaucrats. It includes RCMP deployments to Afghanistan. I mean,
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maybe that's military spending, I guess, if you really stretch it, but it's like a school board
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coming up with excuses right down to the weird leg crossing. So yeah, Trudeau, embarrassing on the
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world stage? You bet. Absolutely taken to the cleaners by Donald Trump again, the way we were
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on the NAFTA renegotiation? You bet. Shown to the world to be like a teenager explaining why he didn't
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do his homework? You bet. Humiliating? I guess, but nothing we didn't already know about Trudeau.
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He's dumb. Like I say, maybe something good will come out of it. It's also one more thing. It's a
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reminder of how weak and submissive Canada's media party is. In 90 seconds, Donald Trump can get better
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answers and more accountability from Justin Trudeau than four years of fake questions from our fake
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Well, that is a video vignette from a couple of years ago, Melania Trump at the White House.
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I don't know if you heard some of those kids. They said she was so beautiful.
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She was like an angel. And indeed, it's true. Melania Trump, a former supermodel,
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a high fashion glamour queen who is now the first lady and yet has not graced a women's magazine since
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Donald Trump has become president. It's clearly a political snub, but she still has her style,
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even if the fancy people don't think so. And she has decked out the White House this year
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again in her exquisite style. Here's some images released by the White House of her designs.
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Surely, they're newsworthy. Surely, they're beautiful. But for the fact, she's married to
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Trump. And so the media party has been trashing her and her style. Joining us now to talk about this
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inversion of beauty is Mary Margaret Olihan, the social issues correspondent for The Daily Caller,
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who joins us now by Skype from Washington. Nice to meet you, Mary Margaret. Welcome to the show.
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Well, I read your Twitter stream and I had no idea that the media party, which is, I call the mainstream
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media, has moved from just ignoring Melania Trump to actually claiming she looks ridiculous,
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this is awful. I mean, it's one thing for them to ignore beauty, but for them to call beauty ugly,
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it's crazy. Yeah, it's very weird. It's very, very odd, to say the least. So she decorated the White House
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so beautifully with all these decorations, very classic Christmas decorations. And you'd think
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they would look at them and say, okay, these are classic Christmas decorations. Like, we'll sit back
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on this one. But no, they have to go and attack her over this. So she's been lambasted over these
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Christmas decorations. Critics have said that they look like they're out of the shining or that they
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look cold and creepy. And there was one Washington Post article that said that her coat
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was ridiculous. As I said, okay, the Christmas decorations are fine, but Melania's coat looks
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ridiculous. So they're just trying to find every way to mock her and to make fun of these beautiful
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Christmas decorations. And it's very concerning as to why, why they would be doing this. And the
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answer probably is that she's married to President Donald Trump, as you were saying.
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Well, I can't think of any other possible answer. I mean, Jackie Kennedy was very beautiful.
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I think that she's perhaps the only rival in just standard objective terms of beauty to Melania.
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But I, and Melania is completely inoffensive. She never takes stands. She's not a crusader like
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Michelle Obama was. She's not trying to ban tasty snack food from high schools. I mean, she's not a
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crusader. There's really no way to dislike her other than the obvious, which is she happened to
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marry a Republican president that the media doesn't like.
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Right. No, she's very graceful. She's very composed. She spends a lot of time on her Be Best
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campaign, which I know it's part of this Christmas theme. I think she had Scrabble letters on some of
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the Christmas trees, spelling out the words Be Best, which is, you know, a very like bipartisan
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campaign designed to unite people across the board to help children. But again, she's still being
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attacked for these things. And if you compare this to how Michelle Obama was treated with her
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Christmas decorations, you can go back and look at what Michelle Obama used. Her decorations were also
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beautiful. I mean, you can compare and contrast. Other people might have different tastes, but
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they were fine Christmas decorations. But she was treated with no disrespect whatsoever. Everyone
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just praised her decorations. Now, Michelle and Barack even allowed Christmas decorations to be sent in
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from different groups, which had put these Christmas decorations together. And they allowed a Christmas
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decoration with a picture of Mao on it, a Chinese dictator who killed thousands of people to hang on a
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Christmas tree in the White House. They also allowed a Christmas ornament to hang on a tree in the White
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House showing a drag queen, which are things, you know, like those are controversial elements. You
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don't see controversial elements like that in this year's White House. There's a nativity scene,
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which is actually like welcomed by many Christians across the country, considering that's what Christmas
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is all about. So it's just two very different playing fields that we're looking at here, Michelle and
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Melania. Yeah. Well, I mean, Mao, of course, killed 50 million by modest estimates. It was shocking to me.
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And he was an atheist. It's not just that he was a murderer, Mao Zedong. He explicitly rooted out any
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religiosity, punished any Christians, especially. Right. You know, sometimes when, I mean, I'm not a model,
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despite a lot of people saying I got it in me. I'm joking around. Of course, I got a face for radio. So I try not to
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criticize other people because I know how hideous I am. But the critic who you mentioned, who said
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Melania looked ridiculous in her coat, I just couldn't help by saying, well, who is she? And it's
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this lady, Robin Given, of the Washington Post, shown here. And I don't know, if I was Robin Given,
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I'm not sure if I would be calling Melania supermodel Trump ridiculous. But that's just me.
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Maybe that's the job of the Washington Post is to call him. Sorry, go ahead.
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I don't think any of us should be calling a supermodel ridiculous. I think that's taken a
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lot on ourselves there. Well, I mean, listen, I just think that of all the people in the White
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House, the only people who are nonpartisan are Melania, and even more so, Barron Trump,
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who is frequently attacked by the media or criticized in weird ways, especially up here in
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Canada. I don't know why. I find it very strange. Do you think it hurts Melania's feelings? I saw her
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at an anti-drug event. I think it was in Baltimore. I can't remember where. And there were boos. I mean,
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she was there. It was the most nonpartisan thing you could imagine. She's there to talk about, hey,
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let's stay off of opioids. And she was booed. She was booed. And I got to think, if you're a human
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being, that's going to sting you, even if you are a supermodel first lady.
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No, that's definitely got to hurt, especially when you're trying to attempt something
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that's going to help people and that you don't think is a partisan issue. But I think at this
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point, she probably understands that this is going to happen no matter what, because of who she's
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married to and because of what her first lady status represents. I mean, she comes part and parcel
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with Donald Trump now because she's his first lady. And she probably understands that at this
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point. And when she was booed in Baltimore, actually, she responded really well. And later
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she said she said she respects everyone's opinions and that she's glad that everyone is able to express
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themselves. And she hopes to continue to do her best work for her Be Best campaign. So that's a
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dignified response, which I think everyone can respect.
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Yeah. You know, there's a theme in the media because she's so reticent. She's not chatty with
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the press like Michelle Obama was. I think one reason is she's not invited to do the view.
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She's not invited to do the circuit like Michelle Obama was. And I think they would try and tear her
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to shreds if she did. So she's a bit of an enigma. But I have a theory. And it's that the media either
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hates her, but they know they don't really have a basis for that. And that's sort of unfair. So they
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have an alternative thesis, which is she's a prisoner of Donald Trump. And she really wishes she could
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flee. And look, here's a picture of her we snapped where she's not smiling. I think there's a deliberate
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photographic choice by photo editors in the United States to choose pictures of Melania Trump that are not
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smiling. A smiling picture of a supermodel would sell copies. So economically, commercially, news
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worthiness, a smiling Melania Trump would be a golden picture. But they so much want the narrative. She's
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trapped. She wants to flee. They'll literally wait for the unhappy picture and say, that's the state of our
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First Lady. So they either hate her, or they want to portray her as yet another victim of Trump. What
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do you think of that theory? I mean, she looks good, but she's not smiling, too. So it's a win-win
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for her. But no, I think I definitely think you're right that they do seek out positions to make her
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look unhappy. They would love to have as much animosity as possible. I remember a couple years ago,
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they were really excited about photos where she wouldn't let Trump hold her hand. And they made such a big
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fuss about that. But at the end of the day, I think there's every married woman has a day when
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she doesn't want to hold her husband's hand, you know, nobody's perfect. So there's just a lot of
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hype around their relationship and the media would love to get in there and stir up animosity where
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maybe there is none. So we all just need to stay in our place and report the news and not go looking
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for trouble where there is none. Yeah. There was a moment a few months ago where Melania was out of the
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public site for a few days because she actually had surgery as an inpatient in the hospital. And oh,
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my God, the rumors, she's left him. Where is she? Well, she was just in the hospital. I mean, it's
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utterly insane. But listen, I agree with you. And it's fun for us to show some beautiful images
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of Melania Trump making the White House beautiful. I mean, not every single second of every single day
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needs to be an adversarial political moment. And I think Melania Trump is classy and certainly a lot
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classier than the haters who hate her. Mary Margaret Olihan, it's a pleasure to talk with you today.
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Thanks for being here. Oh, thanks so much for having me. Our pleasure. Well, there you have it. Mary
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Margaret Olihan is the social issues reporter for The Daily Caller in Washington, D.C. Stay with us.
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More ahead on the road. Hey, folks, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about China. Peter writes,
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if this is coming to Canada, I'm moving to Poland. What a disgrace to humanity.
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I take your point. But of course, in Poland, people use Facebook, Twitter, and I'm sure they use
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WeChat and TikTok, too. Neil writes, reminds me of Sadiq Khan's hate crime hub, where the police will
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happily come around for a chat or arrest you for social media posts. Oh, you're so right. I told you
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before, the Metropolitan Police itself has 900 hate crimes cops to just do nothing but prowl Facebook
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all day. 900. Maybe that's why they had another terrorist attack on London Bridge the other day,
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because the cops are busy knocking on old ladies' doors saying you're too mean when you talk about
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Brexit. On the civil war between Canadian conservatives, David writes, I don't think
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Scheer is the right guy to beat Trudeau. Otherwise, he would have. We need someone more edgy, combative,
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and unafraid to take on the mean girls in the media and the climate emergency zealots. I'm not sure who
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that is right now, but I'm hoping someone emerges. Well, you might have seen my friend Corey tonight
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on other media saying Andrew Scheer's got to go. I asked Corey, and I don't think he'd mind me
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sharing his answer. I said, well, who are you going to beat him with? You can't replace someone with no one.
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Jason Kenney chose to become the premier of Alberta. Who really is there to succeed Andrew Scheer?
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Please don't say Peter McKay. Well, Corey responded to me, and again, I don't think I'm speaking
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at confidence. He said, well, if you have a leadership review, names will emerge, and that's quite likely true.
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As you know, I'm not a real booster of Andrew Scheer, but right now I'm looking around and thinking,
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well, who else is there? And it's not a long list. As to your point about showing courage and spine
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and backbone, what's so interesting to me is I observed that the attacks on Andrew Scheer are
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coming from both the social conservative left and right. So, for example, you have LGBTQ
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Tories saying you have to be more with it and hip on gay marriage, and you have pro-life
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conservatives saying you were so wishy-washy you didn't stand up for us. How can they both
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be mad at him? Well, it shows that he's not clear about being who he is. Contrast that to Donald Trump,
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who, by the way, is pro-gay. I mean, he held up an LGBT sign at a rally, but he's also pro-life.
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And he is who he is. And both sides know who he is, and he's not trying to trick anyone. He's not
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saying different things to different people. And I think there's a lesson there. Donald Trump
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certainly has his rough edges, but there's no denying he'll tell you exactly what he thinks
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about things, and he'll fight you for it. Andrew Scheer's sort of the opposite. He won't tell you what
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he believes in things. He'll sort of mutter, and he won't fight you for it. He's as impressionable as
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a seat cushion. I think that's the problem. Even if he were a red Tory, at least if he were
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with conviction, people could say, all right, he's got some flaws, but at least I know who he is.
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Can you tell me who Andrew Scheer is even after going through this election? We should do a thing,
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you know, we call it streeters. We go onto the street and interview random people. We should do
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streeters to see if anyone even knows his face even after an election. I think we're going to do that.
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All right, that's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel
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World Headquarters, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.