Rebel News Podcast - What happened to ‘Love Trumps Hate’？ Left wing violence keeps escalating

00:00:00.000 tonight why does the left always resort to violence it's october 16 2020 i'm david menzies

00:00:23.160 and this is the ezra lavent show why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer i

00:00:31.220 know there's 8 500 customers here and you won't give them an answer the only thing i have to say

00:00:36.960 to the government about why i publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so

00:00:41.600 two days ago i found myself in the courtrooms at toronto old city hall which i must tell you

00:00:51.740 resembles a haunted house now the grandiose structure was almost completely devoid of people

00:00:58.220 thanks to trials being held in a virtual manner and if anyone should think that's a utopia think

00:01:05.000 again there were numerous incidents of the audio cutting out or the link failing completely

00:01:10.880 as for the few actual humans in the courts well thanks to the donning of masks and or face shields

00:01:18.460 verbal communication was muffled at best it wasn't long before people were verbally sniping

00:01:24.940 at one another i've never seen anything like it in a court and it was just one more facet of life

00:01:31.020 making me pine for a return to the old normal but i digress because i was there for the matter of one

00:01:39.260 miss deanna harper who is facing assault charges now regular viewers may recall the disturbing incident

00:01:47.160 involving lesia blazavik on may 16th blazavik and her children planned to attend one of those yahoo

00:01:55.800 nation demonstrations at toronto's queens park urging premier doug ford to fully reopen the economy

00:02:04.040 alas the blazavik family never made it there just outside women's college hospital blazavik

00:02:09.800 approached a woman and her teenage daughter blazavik asked if they knew the directions to queen's park

00:02:16.280 but instead of telling blazavik to head one block west harper asked blazavik if she was going to the

00:02:23.560 legislature to take part in the protest blazavik answered in the affirmative this inexplicably

00:02:32.440 infuriated harper who allegedly began verbally abusing blazavik and noting that she was a terrible

00:02:39.800 role model for her children needless to say harper didn't provide blazavik with directions so blazavik

00:02:46.600 moved on but the encounter didn't end there folks harper then allegedly grabbed a cup of coffee from her

00:02:53.320 car ran back to blazavik and threw it in her face as well during the melee the woman's daughter

00:03:00.440 allegedly sucker punched blazavik in the face knocking her glasses off now police were called

00:03:06.280 and when they arrived harper was charged with assault and assault with a weapon still in the bigger

00:03:12.360 picture this alleged incident makes for yet another odious example of the way discourse has devolved

00:03:20.280 in our nation and for that matter other nations around the world which is to say if one espouses a

00:03:27.000 contrary opinion apparently one must be silenced even via physical violence if need be and i'm going

00:03:36.200 to call it as i see it folks this reflex action to snuff out contrary opinions or even impolite

00:03:42.760 questions tends to be embraced by those on the ever loving left i know how odd i mean whatever happened to

00:03:51.080 can we agree to disagree or love trump's hate yeah and the check is in the mail too because the left is

00:03:59.400 all about groupthink these days and committing a thought crime is practically a capital offense

00:04:06.040 orwell is either spinning in his grave or he's saying i don't want to say i told you so

00:04:12.360 but i told you so the deanna harper case has been punted down the road to a future date and

00:04:18.920 we'll be sure to cover it but still it gave me pause to consider how many times in the five-year

00:04:24.760 history of rebel news that i've endured violence or the threat of violence simply for having the

00:04:31.320 temerity to ask questions oh and it's not just me of course but my colleagues such as kian bexty and

00:04:38.680 sheila gun reid and really what sort of a thug would want to hurt either kian or sheila now i don't have

00:04:46.040 the time to outline all the incidents i've been involved in but i thought maybe it's worth taking

00:04:52.440 an abbreviated stroll down memory lane so that i can prove to you with video evidence what i'm speaking

00:04:59.800 of i mentioned right off the bat how i was at old city hall uh court the other day well i was there

00:05:05.800 last year too to cover the trial of a vile specimen known as jordan hunt if the name rings a bell it

00:05:13.720 should hunt believes he has the right to use violence whenever he sees woman and it's always

00:05:20.680 woman by the way who are pro-life demonstrators check out the following videotape evidence of hunt

00:05:27.640 delivering a roundhouse kick to a pregnant protester and then hunt trying to push another protester

00:05:35.640 into a live lane of traffic against the law he gets raped by somebody and they're like i'm a 16 year

00:05:44.840 old and i can't have this baby think you should keep it it's a baby if someone is raped and she gave birth

00:05:52.360 and she decided to kill her three-year-old child

00:06:03.320 you can't harm somebody else you can get physical you can disagree with somebody's message

00:06:08.200 down to the world and harass people then you get harassed back i got it when women talk about

00:06:13.240 women try to take that away from you try to take all your pamphlets away from you arguably that is

00:06:17.800 wrong yeah i try to knock your stupid billboard in a sign okay so if you don't want me to with your

00:06:23.640 stuff why are you deciding to with other people's choices nice okay i guess we can all have a bad day

00:06:30.680 or a bad few days as the case may be but the thing about jordan hunt is that he was never remorseful

00:06:37.080 about his acts of violence check out this brief clip when i attempted to question him outside the

00:06:43.320 courtroom jordan hunt do you have any words to say to marie claire president hold still

00:06:49.560 well not quite a roundhouse kick but um what kind of a assault was that

00:06:54.520 it looked like circus clown confetti jordan who's paying your legal bills

00:07:02.200 jordan it doesn't seem that you're very tough

00:07:04.600 when a man is asking you questions you like to ambush woman man this is what those look like

00:07:12.360 by the way how come your hair isn't purple and you don't have a flower anymore there

00:07:16.120 how come you have to use cameras like these to record how come you did the budget end at like

00:07:21.640 the cheap suit is it well yeah it's cheap well you know i mean you're very touchy-feely but um

00:07:29.080 why is it that you like to assault women so much you have no you know contrition you have no empathy

00:07:35.640 it seems i really want to take your glasses i miss oh do you do you really want to assault me just

00:07:44.600 yes no contrition no empathy and oh by the way no mainstream media either to cover the trial folks

00:07:52.520 hmm i wonder if we reverse the roles here if this was a story about a man kicking and pushing

00:07:58.280 female pro-abortion protesters do you think then the likes of cbc and ctv and global would be covering

00:08:05.560 this story i think they'd have their live eyes set up right outside the courtroom speaking of the

00:08:11.960 abortion issue this is one that really tends to bring out the rabid left i discovered this last year

00:08:18.520 when i covered dueling protests on the lawns of queens park in toronto where both pro and

00:08:23.960 anti-abortion demonstrators showed up at the same time in the same place now keep in mind i don't have

00:08:30.520 a dog in this race i was simply covering the event and i wanted to give equal time to both sides

00:08:36.680 let's begin with the lovely scholars who comprise the pro-abortion camp

00:08:41.000 hi sir

00:08:48.680 oh that's a nice greeting you don't want to talk about why you're here go away okay all right we'll

00:08:53.240 try this lady hi ma'am can i ask you what brings out to this rally what brings me out to this rally my

00:09:00.520 my right to choose how do you feel about uh oh apparently we have members of antifa here and

00:09:11.320 they're telling these people that they shouldn't be talking to us i'm nobody's handmaid you're nobody's

00:09:17.480 handmaid

00:09:23.560 how do you feel about gender selective abortions

00:09:29.800 how do you feel

00:09:31.480 you suck a can you air any of this suck a

00:09:37.400 you can't you can't articulate your points better than yelling i just don't want you to be

00:09:44.120 able to post any of this online you butt hole suck a

00:09:50.040 well that's quite uh profound but i was hoping to find out what her position was

00:09:55.800 can you ask me one question

00:09:57.720 what is your position on sex selective abortions you you don't care that 20

00:10:07.080 liar you are a liar what have i said that's been a lie so far

00:10:18.520 what about the okay this says safe well folks i'm trying to read their sign but they're throwing

00:10:23.400 into my face so i uh can't read it but uh a lot of noise signifying nothing i would assume because

00:10:30.280 we can't get them to articulate their positions sounds like a horror movie behind me all this screaming

00:10:43.240 would anyone else like to try to speak

00:10:45.400 now i can tell you for a fact folks that if queens park security and the toronto police

00:10:57.000 were not out in full force on that day both my cameraman efran and i would have definitely been

00:11:03.160 assaulted as a side note these are the same people who want the police defunded and or abolished

00:11:10.600 i wonder why now check out some of the people who i interviewed on the pro-life side

00:11:18.440 can you tell the different folks i can sure tell the difference just wondering what brings you out

00:11:23.640 to this rally today i just feel really passionate that we need to show love to the mothers who are

00:11:28.200 hurting and also the babies that are hurting and don't get to experience a voice you know um

00:11:33.960 one of the angles of the abortion debate certainly you have your opponents over there

00:11:39.720 but we've noticed that on campus those supporting pro-life they have their displays damaged they are

00:11:48.040 physically assaulted why is it that these people that are opposing your viewpoint want to shut down

00:11:55.560 your voice i don't know it makes me feel really sad and i think that the way to make something good

00:12:03.320 come of this and have people feel healed and appreciate on both sides is not violence compassion

00:12:08.600 compassion for the mother who's been hurt compassion for the baby who's been hurt it's

00:12:12.840 not an either or it's it's a both it's a love both it's a heal both mostly because the more extreme

00:12:18.280 they get on the abortion issue the louder they have to yell to drown out the sounds of their own

00:12:21.480 conscience they're supposed to be so accepting but i think the big issue that they're having a hard time

00:12:25.720 with is cognitive dissonance they know that they're not they don't have a moral argument so the only

00:12:30.120 way that they can quantify that and uh sort of cope with that in their own mind is to act in the most

00:12:35.240 immoral way possible to validate their own immoral thoughts you know it's so nice to conduct a civil

00:12:42.280 interview without people screaming profanity and making death threats but that's the way the left

00:12:49.480 roles these days here's a more recent example in kingston back in june my cameraman mocha and i

00:12:56.280 went there to cover a gathering of antifa types who were openly threatening to pull down the magnificent

00:13:02.520 statue of sir john a mcdonald alas given that most of the protesters here were experts on gender studies

00:13:11.000 as opposed to engineering the statue remained upright and they had to merely resort to throwing eggs at it

00:13:17.880 instead yet check this out i wasn't even engaging these people i was a good 60 meters away simply

00:13:25.240 filming an introduction to my report but like so many ants to an open jam jar they cannot resist the

00:13:31.960 opportunity to express their displeasure with us physically of course i have noticed that throughout

00:13:39.080 the crowd they are distributing eggs and um oh excuse me ma'am

00:13:43.560 oh why is that what what makes me a racist man okay we know your own words because i just listen

00:13:51.080 to you don't touch me do not touch me you do not touch the camera you said we're racist why is that

00:13:57.080 and use a lot of bad language not very lady-like language i must say i'm not a lady get out of

00:14:01.800 here okay then what about yourself ma'am you were saying something as well i believe i said that i

00:14:05.960 thought your your speech was offensive and inaccurate oh it was oh what did i get wrong

00:14:10.040 uh kingston's motto is not where history innovations do you believe that removing a statue removes history

00:14:17.720 what would you call it i would say that we're no longer celebrating a racist creep the history

00:14:24.200 he doesn't time to go what what what are you uh pouring water okay excuse me time to go time to go

00:14:33.160 time to go time to go as you can see these people it's a park it's a public park

00:14:39.560 time to go do not push us we're making our way out okay good get your boy out get your boy out

00:14:45.560 you're gonna get egged get out what you're gonna threaten me by throwing an egg at me sir

00:14:52.440 don't get out of here it's a public park it's time whoa well in the department of silver linings at

00:14:59.640 least the bottle that was thrown at my cranium was plastic as opposed to glass but it is the same

00:15:06.840 pathetic pattern isn't it the protesters can't articulate their points which really is the

00:15:13.160 ostensible policy reason for staging a protest in the first place then they demand you vacate the

00:15:19.560 premises which is public not private property and then as sure as the sun sets in the west out come

00:15:26.440 the fisticuffs and it's getting worse folks thanks to governments that refuse to govern and law enforcement

00:15:32.680 that refuses to enact the rule of law likely because they have been ordered by their political masters

00:15:38.840 not to do so thanks to a lethal combination of cowardice and political correctness now if you

00:15:46.440 think i exaggerate i need only harken back to the disgrace that was the illegal occupation of nathan

00:15:52.760 phillips square by a motley crew of thugs calling themselves afro-indigenous rising that group was

00:15:59.400 breaking some 11 sections of the trespass act including camping overnight cooking meals and urinating and

00:16:07.080 defecating on the public square but our spine challenge mayor john tory put up with this

00:16:13.080 garbage for an entire three weeks even when these people acted out violently the authorities not only

00:16:21.560 turned the other cheek to the mob but rather came after us for practicing journalism in the public square

00:16:28.120 check out the highlight reel or perhaps it's a low light reel we're gonna go there david's gonna try and

00:16:34.920 do journalism ideally we're done in half an hour because nothing happened

00:16:41.480 i need people here now what would you like us to do off my land that's what i would like

00:16:47.720 we've got another gender touch my elder your elder what you're doing is causing a disturbance with

00:16:54.600 everybody here that in toronto the town square is a place where a journalist can go peacefully

00:17:16.600 so if that is not true we need to know it

00:17:30.600 okay

00:17:34.280 give me a hug i love you i love you i love you i love you don't run away from love don't run away from love

00:17:41.480 don't run away from love don't run away from love

00:17:44.280 i have one minute sir yeah uh what are you what's your purpose here i'm a cameraman

00:17:51.160 I don't have to provide you anything. Just like they don't have to provide anything to you. I'm not harassing them. They're following me.

00:18:04.160 Can you please stop? No.

00:18:07.160 We just came here to see what's going on. You guys are getting violent right away.

00:18:10.160 We evolved through love and diversity. That's what we do!

00:18:13.160 We evolved through love and diversity. That's what we do!

00:18:15.160 We evolved through love and diversity. This is the chance!

00:18:17.160 Folks, welcome to John Tory Strano. Hey, get off me.

00:18:22.160 Don't slap my hand away. Don't slap my hand away.

00:18:25.160 What do you mean? Huh?

00:18:28.160 I will trespass you for non-compliance. I need you to stay back.

00:18:33.160 So this isn't probably the best time to be coming here and doing this. I understand what you're trying to do.

00:18:37.160 So for today, City Hall Security and their staff, they're trespassing you, okay?

00:18:42.160 So we're going to have to escort you off the property.

00:18:44.160 You should really check out that entire video, folks, if you haven't already done so.

00:18:48.160 It may very well be our best and most important video in this company's history.

00:18:53.160 Oh, and spoiler alert, we did not bend the knee in spite of cowardly politicians who deemed journalists to be a threat

00:19:01.160 as opposed to the rank and file of the Antifa types that were occupying the square.

00:19:07.160 Ah yes, Antifa, or as I like to call them, the unofficial militia of the Democrat Party.

00:19:12.160 Look no further than Portland, Oregon, parts of which have descended into anarchy.

00:19:17.160 Do you remember the assault of journalist Andy Ngo a while back?

00:19:22.160 You know, in a way, I actually feel sorry for those on the political far left who show up to protest these days.

00:19:42.160 Typically anti-Trump or anti-oil sentence protests.

00:19:47.160 First of all, they all seem to be so inexplicably angry.

00:19:51.160 And despite their alleged love of liberalism, so many just seemingly can't wait to get violent.

00:19:58.160 And as I've stated before, it seems they really got ripped off on their college tuition fees

00:20:04.160 given that so many cannot string two words together in a sentence

00:20:08.160 unless those two words represent an F-bomb or some other profanity.

00:20:12.160 Wow, whatever happened to freedom of expression the left, or at least classical liberals, have long championed.

00:20:19.160 These days, so-called anti-fascist protestors are all about anarchy and chaos and nihilism and censorship.

00:20:27.160 Okay, okay, in fairness, it's mostly peaceful anarchy and chaos and nihilism and censorship.

00:20:33.160 But this new and not so improved brand of liberalism seems to boil down to a solitary mission statement, which is this.

00:20:42.160 We support freedom of expression and speech unless your particular viewpoints conflict with what we believe in.

00:20:51.160 And if that's the case, there shall be no civil debate.

00:20:54.160 Rather, we shall shut you down by any means necessary, including violence.

00:21:00.160 Indeed, they embrace a tragic train of thought that, as far as I can tell, comes down to this.

00:21:06.160 It's okay to punch a Nazi.

00:21:09.160 You know, I would agree with that statement if this were, oh, say, 1939, we were at war with Nazi Germany at the time.

00:21:16.160 After all, Hitler was bent on world domination via war that took the lives of more than 70 million people.

00:21:23.160 And then there was Hitler's evil and inexplicable obsession with the genocide of the Jewish people and others.

00:21:29.160 So, yeah, Nazis are about as vile and wicked as you can get and very punchable indeed.

00:21:36.160 But the thing is, Nazis haven't been in a position of power for 75 years now.

00:21:41.160 But that doesn't matter to those on the far left because their definition of Nazi has radically changed.

00:21:48.160 A Nazi is no longer someone bent on world dominance and engineering a genocide.

00:21:54.160 Rather, a Nazi is someone who holds an opinion that is merely disagreeable.

00:22:00.160 And a disagreement no longer means passionate debate but rather the tossing of rocks or Molotov cocktails or anything else that might draw blood.

00:22:10.160 We see it so often, certain cities where, quote, mostly peaceful protests, end quote, are carried out in the middle of the night by violent mobs.

00:22:22.160 But then again, as Nancy Pelosi would say...

00:22:24.160 I don't care that much about statues.

00:22:26.160 Shouldn't that be done by a commission or the city council, not a mob in the middle of the night throwing it into the harbor?

00:22:32.160 People will do what they do.

00:22:33.160 Yeah, in other words, nothing to see here, folks.

00:22:36.160 Move along, move along and blame Trump, not Antifa, while you're at it.

00:22:40.160 Somewhere along the line, the left has deviated from that time-worn phrase uttered on elementary school playgrounds.

00:22:48.160 You know, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never break me.

00:22:53.160 Because today, the wrong sort of words trigger the leftists.

00:22:58.160 Hey, even asking the leftists if they're being triggered can trigger them.

00:23:04.160 You actually approached me with a comment.

00:23:07.160 Okay.

00:23:08.160 Oh, I see.

00:23:09.160 We're going to read your palm then, I guess.

00:23:11.160 F*** off.

00:23:13.160 Have you painted your fingernails, sir?

00:23:18.160 What do you identify as?

00:23:19.160 Excuse me?

00:23:20.160 What do you identify as?

00:23:21.160 Excuse me?

00:23:22.160 Did I trigger you?

00:23:25.160 Get out of here.

00:23:26.160 Get out.

00:23:27.160 Get out of my face.

00:23:28.160 You're walking into me.

00:23:29.160 Get out of my face.

00:23:30.160 You're walking into me.

00:23:31.160 Get the f*** out of my face.

00:23:32.160 You're in my face.

00:23:33.160 Excuse me?

00:23:34.160 Huh?

00:23:35.160 What's wrong?

00:23:36.160 What the f*** is wrong with you?

00:23:38.160 And as you saw, when leftists are triggered, they feel entitled to get violent with those they disagree with.

00:23:44.160 And how perversely ironic that this is being done in the name of anti-fascism, given that the so-called anti-fascists make use of the exact same tactics of fascist classic.

00:23:57.160 Aless these New Age thugs would appear to be the only ones oblivious to this irony, they are not anti-fa, as in a contraction of the words anti and fascism.

00:24:10.160 They are simply merely fa for fascism.

00:24:14.160 Which leads me to my final point.

00:24:16.160 How exactly did we get here?

00:24:19.160 As far as I can tell, it is due to an infiltration of so-called progressivism in all areas of our lives.

00:24:26.160 Government, the bureaucracy, the judicial system, and of course education.

00:24:30.160 Marxism, after all, embraces the same kind of mission statement as advertising, get them young, get them forever.

00:24:38.160 This became abundantly clear a couple of years ago when my cameraman Efren and I were doing streeters on Toronto's Danforth Avenue in the aftermath of a massacre that occurred,

00:24:50.160 potentially by someone who had been influenced by the dogma of ISIS.

00:24:55.160 Now, keep in mind, the person who approached us is a high school teacher, Katya Berdachevsky, who is gainfully employed by the Toronto District School Board.

00:25:06.160 Just check out her geopolitical mindset and ask yourselves, folks, would you want this person teaching your children?

00:25:16.160 The rebel is not okay. That does not represent Canadian values.

00:25:20.160 Why are you so mad, ma'am? This is a news report that broke today.

00:25:23.160 Can I call you back? This is not what we're about. I'm sorry. This is not what Canada is about. Canada is not about racism.

00:25:29.160 I will not stand for it.

00:25:31.160 You're the one that's raising race.

00:25:33.160 This is a wall. You just asked if the man was a part of ISIS.

00:25:36.160 Ma'am, if you listened, can I speak? I'll let you speak. Can I clarify?

00:25:42.160 No, CBS in the U.S. is reporting that he had...

00:25:46.160 It's CBS. That's like reporting on Fox. Fake news, man.

00:25:49.160 Really?

00:25:50.160 Fake. The rebel. Fake news. Fake news.

00:25:52.160 What's real news?

00:25:54.160 People that actually have a media outlet that is real and not racist.

00:25:57.160 Like CBC?

00:25:58.160 Yes, like CBC. It's better. It's not perfect, but it's definitely better.

00:26:02.160 The rebel is a racist source of news.

00:26:04.160 Because we're asking people their opinion of a mass shooting?

00:26:07.160 Why? And the mass... What does the mass shooting have to do with a man that...

00:26:10.160 Like, come on. Come on, man.

00:26:12.160 What does it have to do with a man who didn't finish that sentence?

00:26:14.160 Why should I need to?

00:26:16.160 Because I'm trying to understand what you're saying, ma'am.

00:26:18.160 You're talking about ISIS. Tasia, stop.

00:26:21.160 No, we're not going home.

00:26:23.160 We're not going home. We're going for ice cream.

00:26:25.160 This is a community thing. We're here to take back our community.

00:26:28.160 And this, you are not my community. You can leave now.

00:26:31.160 Oh, this is your sidewalk? This is your property?

00:26:34.160 This is about peace. This is about my community taking back my community and not being racist.

00:26:39.160 Ma'am, you're the one that's raising race. You're the one yelling.

00:26:42.160 You raised ISIS as a factor.

00:26:45.160 No, I said CBS in the U.S. is reporting.

00:26:48.160 Propagating racist values.

00:26:50.160 What does the U.S. know about Canada?

00:26:51.160 This is our community. The U.S. doesn't know anything about this community.

00:26:54.160 Fair enough.

00:26:55.160 So this is Danforth. This is our city. This is our city.

00:26:59.160 You need to not be here.

00:27:01.160 Here's the thing. I need to not be here.

00:27:03.160 Based on whose authority?

00:27:05.160 Based on my authority? Because I live here. Do you?

00:27:08.160 Do you?

00:27:09.160 You live right on this spot? I'm on private property?

00:27:11.160 Do you live here?

00:27:12.160 And that gives you the right to tell people to leave?

00:27:14.160 I have a capitalist mentality. Is it my property? No, but this is my community.

00:27:18.160 We live in a capitalist society, don't we?

00:27:20.160 Yes, we do, unfortunately.

00:27:21.160 Unfortunately?

00:27:22.160 Yes, very unfortunately.

00:27:23.160 You prefer a communist society?

00:27:24.160 I prefer a socialist society. Yes, I do.

00:27:26.160 In Venezuela perhaps?

00:27:27.160 No.

00:27:28.160 North Korea?

00:27:29.160 Oh my God, really?

00:27:30.160 Cuba?

00:27:31.160 Wow.

00:27:32.160 I'm naming all the socialists.

00:27:33.160 You're descending into your own hell right now.

00:27:35.160 Listen.

00:27:36.160 These are hell holes, I agree with you.

00:27:37.160 Hell holes.

00:27:38.160 Now you're quoting Trump.

00:27:40.160 Lovely.

00:27:41.160 That was perfect.

00:27:42.160 Perfect.

00:27:43.160 He did a different kind of hole.

00:27:45.160 Quoting Trump is the best thing you could have ever done for yourself.

00:27:48.160 Way to go.

00:27:49.160 That was priceless.

00:27:50.160 As Mr. Spock would say with a raised eyebrow, fascinating.

00:27:55.160 But I think you can see that as they say in Vegas, the fix is in.

00:27:59.160 So even if yours is a conservative household, if you wonder why it is that your kids are spouting

00:28:05.160 ideology lifted from the Communist Manifesto, now you know why.

00:28:10.160 Kids are being indoctrinated, be it via social media, be it via celebrities and sports stars,

00:28:17.160 be it via their classroom teachers.

00:28:19.160 It's hard and getting harder to think independently, and it is especially hard to break away from such groupthink

00:28:28.160 if an acceptable response to a differing opinion is an upper left hook.

00:28:33.160 Bottom line, I think this makes it even more important, not just for the United States,

00:28:39.160 but for the entire free world, that Donald Trump is re-elected come November 3rd.

00:28:45.160 He is one of the few champions standing between those who believe in the rule of law

00:28:50.160 and those who lust for mob rule.

00:28:54.160 Stay with us for more.

00:28:55.160 Well, this just in, York Region in the province of Ontario is now going to go under stage 2 lockdown as of Monday,

00:29:16.160 joining the City of Toronto, Ottawa and Peel Region.

00:29:20.160 I'm especially miffed at this, folks, because I live in York Region, so it's goodbye to the movie theatres,

00:29:27.160 adios to the fitness facilities, farewell to sit-down restaurants.

00:29:31.160 But it's all based on the science, you see.

00:29:33.160 Yet, isn't it kind of weird that the science that is apparently dictating these economic smackdowns

00:29:41.160 is in dispute by none other than the World Health Organization.

00:29:46.160 It is saying going the economic lockdown route is not the appropriate way to go indeed.

00:29:54.160 And joining me with more on this story is Andrew Lawton of True North.

00:29:59.160 Andrew, thank you so much for joining me today, sir.

00:30:02.160 Hey, happy to be here. Thanks very much.

00:30:04.160 Well, Andrew, what do you make of this?

00:30:06.160 First of all, the breaking news of earlier today that York Region is going to join those other regions in Ontario

00:30:15.160 in terms of going into the stage 2 lockdown.

00:30:19.160 Something I find very distressing given that so many of these restaurants, pubs, fitness facilities are only hanging on by their fingernails.

00:30:27.160 And like I said, if this is being directed by medical science as opposed to what's good for the economy of the province,

00:30:35.160 how do you square it that the province of Ontario seems to be contravening the advice of the World Health Organization?

00:30:44.160 Well, I mean, I should say first off that shutting down fitness centres is actually the one effect of lockdown that generally doesn't affect me at all.

00:30:51.160 So I would say keep them locked down longer so I have an excuse to not go to them.

00:30:56.160 But on a more serious note, there is a big problem in this and that the first case that we saw,

00:31:03.160 the first, I guess, go round with the lockdowns showed that all you're really doing is delaying the inevitable.

00:31:10.160 You're not actually preventing the virus from ever existing, from ever getting transmitted.

00:31:15.160 And this was actually the crux of what a lot of studies have said,

00:31:19.160 one in particular that was just in the British Medical Journal about a week ago,

00:31:23.160 is that all you're going to do when you do these aggressive lockdowns is delay what everyone is going to basically have to confront at some point,

00:31:32.160 just on a different timeframe.

00:31:34.160 So the lockdown route the second time I don't think is going to go all that well for the government because people are tired of it.

00:31:40.160 People already felt like it didn't really work.

00:31:43.160 They did their part.

00:31:44.160 It was supposed to be two weeks to flatten the curve.

00:31:46.160 And then it became just a little while longer.

00:31:48.160 And now the goalposts have kept moving and moving and moving until it's, you know,

00:31:52.160 wait until we have a vaccine and also wait until we've been testing the vaccine for a good 10 years and then wait a couple of weeks more.

00:31:59.160 So right now, people are not likely to go along with this as well as they did being the good, obedient Canadians the first time.

00:32:08.160 So, Andrew, I don't understand, though, going back to my original question.

00:32:12.160 Doug Ford, I'm paraphrasing here, prior to the other stage two lockdown for Peel, Ottawa and Toronto,

00:32:20.160 he was basically saying, look, I don't want to go this route.

00:32:23.160 These businesses are struggling, et cetera, et cetera.

00:32:27.160 And then within 48 hours, somehow, miraculously, the science had changed.

00:32:32.160 Yep.

00:32:33.160 We've got to lock it down with almost zero notice.

00:32:36.160 The lockdown kicked in Friday midnight.

00:32:39.160 And again, if this is based on the science, well, the tall foreheads at the WHO are saying,

00:32:49.160 this isn't the way you should be going.

00:32:51.160 I'm here.

00:32:52.160 I'm just scratching my head.

00:32:53.160 Where is Doug Ford or his government getting their advice from?

00:32:58.160 Yeah, it's tough to say.

00:32:59.160 And remember, a couple of days before these rollbacks happened,

00:33:03.160 the tourism minister in Ontario, Lisa McLeod, was at Cineplex,

00:33:06.160 talking about all the great ways that we could revitalize the cinema industry and the theatre industry.

00:33:11.160 And then again, you go a couple of days forward and we're in the situation we are in now,

00:33:16.160 seeing these gradual rollbacks from stage three to two in a number of provinces.

00:33:20.160 I don't know where the advice is coming from.

00:33:22.160 I don't know if it is ultimately just because this is the only tool that governments like to have in the toolbox

00:33:28.160 because it's easy, it's understood, you just lock everything down and that's that.

00:33:32.160 But these are not abstract issues for the people who themselves are being locked down.

00:33:37.160 And you know, Andrew, I mean, my heart is breaking for so many of these facilities.

00:33:41.160 They are barely hanging on thanks to the lockdown nonsense they just went through earlier in the year.

00:33:48.160 And I'm just really concerned.

00:33:51.160 First of all, can these businesses actually make it?

00:33:55.160 Is this a temporary goodbye or farewell forever?

00:33:59.160 And secondly, what do you make of it coming out of the Doug Ford government?

00:34:04.160 One of their election slogans going back to 2018, Andrew, was Ontario open for business.

00:34:11.160 This is precisely the opposite of that.

00:34:14.160 Yeah, it's challenging.

00:34:16.160 And I mean, I don't see it as exclusively an Ontario phenomenon.

00:34:19.160 I think Western governments right now all over North America are finding that this is the easiest way to respond to this,

00:34:26.160 even though we clearly saw in the first wave of lockdowns that it doesn't really, again,

00:34:31.160 to go back to what I mentioned earlier on, achieve the desired outcome,

00:34:34.160 which is this, I guess, mythical eradication of the virus.

00:34:38.160 I do think that we need to have an understanding here that we are not going to lock down our way out of this mess.

00:34:46.160 If we're going to do it, we have to confront it.

00:34:48.160 And yes, I think businesses are smart and prudent to adapt their ways of doing things, but they had already done that.

00:34:55.160 I mean, the benefit of the first lockdown, if I can say that, was that businesses had time to sort of regroup and say,

00:35:02.160 OK, how can we do this?

00:35:03.160 Movie theaters did this by spacing things out.

00:35:06.160 Restaurants did it by spacing things out.

00:35:08.160 Grocery stores.

00:35:09.160 I mean, it was really annoying early on when you had to wait in the bread line to get into the grocery store,

00:35:13.160 but grocery stores have managed to find a way and everyone's got to get food to adapt their practices

00:35:19.160 so that you are not contracting COVID-19 when you go grocery shopping.

00:35:23.160 So we should take the benefit of the fact that we've been living through this now for about seven months

00:35:28.160 and say the businesses have actually found a way to safely open.

00:35:32.160 The cases we are seeing are not coming from people going to the gym or going to restaurants or going to movie theaters.

00:35:38.160 So to target those businesses is egregious.

00:35:42.160 A hundred percent.

00:35:43.160 And Andrew, I think that's where the inherent unfairness of these lockdowns are.

00:35:47.160 But regardless of what region you live in anywhere in the world, do you think, my friend, that people are, you know,

00:35:55.160 they've got a credibility issue now with their governments, the bureaucracies, the health authorities,

00:36:02.160 the World Health Organization originally was in favor of lockdowns.

00:36:06.160 Now they're saying, no, that's not the route to go.

00:36:09.160 I can remember the date, Andrew, when Dr. Anthony Fauci in the U.S. March 8th said,

00:36:15.160 do not wear a mask. Essentially, that's going to do more harm than good.

00:36:19.160 Then weeks later, you better wear a mask.

00:36:21.160 I'm thinking if I'm just, you know, and I am just an average Joe,

00:36:26.160 Joe, I don't understand the science of viruses or what have you, but I sure, my ears sure perk up

00:36:33.160 when I hear two different things suggesting, you know, two different routes coming out of the mouth of the same person.

00:36:40.160 I'm just having a big credibility issue right now with what we're being told.

00:36:45.160 Yeah.

00:36:46.160 And again, I mean, the double standards that we have being set by politicians is one issue, the reversals of advice.

00:36:54.160 I mean, I generally speaking, don't put a lot of stock into what the WHO says.

00:36:58.160 So when the WHO comes down against lockdowns, I don't say, ah, well, the WHO says lockdowns are wrong.

00:37:04.160 Ergo, they're wrong.

00:37:05.160 I take it more as if even the WHO is saying this, then surely there's a discussion to be had.

00:37:12.160 I mean, generally speaking, my view is that if you want to know if you want the WHO to say what you agree with,

00:37:18.160 just give it a couple of days and eventually they'll change and get around to your position.

00:37:22.160 So, I mean, they're against lockdowns now in two days.

00:37:25.160 They might be for them again, just like with masks, with border shutdowns, with travel restrictions.

00:37:30.160 But now they're saying, you know, don't do travel restrictions.

00:37:33.160 They were saying don't shut down the border.

00:37:35.160 Generally speaking, the WHO has not been on the right side of this, which is why governments should not be deferring to the WHO.

00:37:43.160 But at the same time, when, yeah, when even the WHO is saying no lockdown, surely we could kind of accept and understand that, hey, perhaps there's something to that.

00:37:53.160 You know, Andrew, I think also there's a mindset that we don't have any kind of success or victory until we get zero COVID-19 positive test results every day.

00:38:05.160 And I think that might be unrealistic for months, maybe even years to come.

00:38:09.160 And yet it's all being driven through the prism of health.

00:38:14.160 That's what the Premier is saying.

00:38:15.160 He says, listen, I'm all about Ontario open for business, having a strong economy, but public safety, the health takes precedence.

00:38:24.160 Well, if that is the case, Andrew, then why are cigarettes still for sale in the province of Ontario?

00:38:31.160 Hey, used as directed, it's going to potentially or very likely shorten your lifespan or give you lung cancer.

00:38:38.160 Yeah.

00:38:39.160 And one of the prevailing themes of the nanny state is trying to protect people from themselves.

00:38:43.160 Whereas I always take their approach, which is kind of what you just indicated, that, yes, we're surrounded by risk in our lives.

00:38:49.160 We have to assess our own willingness to embrace risk and also make the decisions that best align with us.

00:38:56.160 And I think with that, we need to, as a society and as a country, very much protect the vulnerable.

00:39:01.160 That means protecting long term care homes, nursing homes, people in hospitals, people with weakened immune systems.

00:39:07.160 But remember, a lot of these people have already sort of adapted their lives to protect against these other things.

00:39:14.160 And I'm not saying that people should do the whole chicken pox party thing and, you know, all go to a house party to get COVID.

00:39:20.160 I think there are still questions about reinfection, about building up immunity.

00:39:25.160 And I think those questions are going to take a lot of time.

00:39:27.160 I think the idea, though, that we should be locking down everyone to protect the vulnerable doesn't fly.

00:39:34.160 And Sweden, which the mainstream media and a lot of people on the left were actually deriding in the early days because they kind of took a laissez-faire approach.

00:39:42.160 Sweden, it looks like, and again, we can't say this for certain, it looks like Sweden is on track to be somewhat vindicated because they may have avoided the second wave by having one larger first wave.

00:39:53.160 And I guess the question is, does the mega first wave come at a higher damage level or lower damage level than two smaller waves?

00:40:02.160 And that's what we're still trying to see here.

00:40:04.160 But if in Ontario we were told, no, no, no, we have to protect everyone and lock everyone down and that's how we're going to beat it.

00:40:11.160 And then the second they pull the foot off the brake just a little bit, we're back into what they are saying is a worse situation than we were in before.

00:40:19.160 Clearly our approach hasn't been working.

00:40:21.160 You know, I think you're dead on with the Swedish example, Andrew.

00:40:25.160 That seems to have been the Swedish strategy, endure a bigger first wave and, you know, ride out the second wave.

00:40:31.160 And also you mentioned long-term care facilities.

00:40:33.160 This is the other maddening thing about the Wuhan virus is that when you look at the demographics,

00:40:39.160 and the last time I looked at the numbers in Canada, it was something like more than 80% of the deaths are seniors in long-term care facilities.

00:40:48.160 That's a staggering number.

00:40:50.160 The fact is, if you're young, relatively young, relatively healthy,

00:40:53.160 I believe the figure was you have a six times higher chance of getting killed crossing your neighborhood street by a car than you do of contracting the Wuhan virus and dying.

00:41:03.160 So I think this idea of one size fits all and this economic lockdown is a terrible way in which to go.

00:41:12.160 Yeah, it is.

00:41:14.160 And again, we also haven't had any opportunity, because we are still in the midst of this, to research the real effects of lockdown.

00:41:22.160 And to say that, okay, by locking down, we can save this many lives is all well and good.

00:41:28.160 But remember that lockdown comes with its own casualties and its own death tolls.

00:41:33.160 And whether this is domestic violence, suicide, unemployment, poverty, I mean, a lot of these things.

00:41:39.160 And again, we can't yet quantify these things.

00:41:42.160 We are hearing anecdotally that they might be an issue.

00:41:44.160 But the idea that lockdown does not have its own collateral damage is just not a claim that people can make.

00:41:51.160 You know, and thank you, Andrew, we're going to have to wrap here.

00:41:54.160 And that is indeed the other profound point.

00:41:57.160 All these other issues you just mentioned from depression, suicide, spousal abuse, people dying on elected surgery lists.

00:42:05.160 I think, my friend, that when it comes to this Wuhan virus, for the most part, the cure has been worse than the curse.

00:42:12.160 But in any event, Andrew, thank you so much for joining me on this important topic today.

00:42:17.160 Anytime, David. Thank you.

00:42:18.160 You got it.

00:42:19.160 And that was Andrew Lon at True North.

00:42:22.160 Keep it here, folks.

00:42:23.160 More of the Ezra Levent show to come right after this.

00:42:37.160 That's all for tonight.

00:42:38.160 Thanks so much for watching.

00:42:39.160 Ezra will be back in this space on Monday.

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Rebel News Podcast - October 17, 2020

What happened to ‘Love Trumps Hate’？ Left wing violence keeps escalating

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