What would it look like if we were a police state in a democracy like Canada? Well, imagine if you didn t pay for your TV license, and they caught you spying on your every move? And what would you do if you were caught spying on you?
00:07:00.940We ought to explore all technology to see how it can keep people safer, how it can make policing more effective.
00:07:11.700However, we are completely aware of some of the concerns that are raised.
00:07:15.560And what we're doing with these trials is actually trying to understand those better so we can actually protect human rights but also keep people safe at the same time.
00:08:03.140So a man sees the police are spying on the streets, spying on everyone indiscriminately, without any probable cause, without any reasonable suspicion of anything.
00:08:11.620They're literally searching, in a way, everyone who goes out of their own private house, probably searching them in their house, too, if the BBC vans are any guide.
00:08:20.840And a man thinks, well, I've done nothing wrong.
00:08:23.200So saw it off, as the Brits would say.
00:08:43.000If you submit to the warrantless search of your face to be matched against a government database of faces, if you submit to it, oh, you're fine.
00:21:55.720I agree with much, if not most, of what he has to say.
00:21:58.600But even if none of that were true, even if I did not like him personally, and even if I disagreed with every word he said,
00:22:04.480I would still find it appalling that a free citizen of the United Kingdom running as a registered political candidate for an election to public office would be censored this way by police.
00:22:15.360But how is it any different from scanning the face of any private citizen and finding them if they don't agree to be scanned that way?
00:22:25.460How is it any different from seizing spoons, but letting jihadis go?
00:24:13.140There you have it, President Donald Trump talking tough about his trade negotiations with China.
00:24:21.460I don't know if you recall us playing that mashup clip of Trump saying China, China, China in the campaign.
00:24:27.480I mean, it's fair to say Trump has been – I'm not going to say obsessed with China, but let me say seized with the matter of China for decades and before it with Japan and other countries that he said have had unfair one-sided access to U.S. markets.
00:24:44.060Now, of course, libertarian purists would say, oh, there's no such thing as a bad trade deal.
00:24:51.920Any trade is better than no trade, and some actually say we should unilaterally declare free trade with the world, and our consumers would benefit.
00:25:01.500But Donald Trump's point of view is that hollows out U.S. industry, and he's fighting back.
00:25:23.760Joel, I grew up, as some conservatives of my generation did, being a libertarian purist, sort of a Koch brothers, Milton Friedman-style believer in open markets and, you know, let people in good cross borders.
00:25:38.020But that just never really worked with China.
00:25:40.920They never really let our stuff in, either from Canada or the United States, on terms that were meaningful.
00:25:59.380Well, what's really been interesting here this week is to watch many left-wing critics of Trump suddenly come around and support his China policy.
00:26:09.560I think what really seems to have brought people together is the realization that China may not be as tough as people thought it was.
00:26:18.420The Chinese economy is not in the greatest shape.
00:26:20.700And it turns out they're more dependent on the U.S. economy than the U.S. economy is dependent on them.
00:26:25.260And so the tariffs that we've already had have not stopped our economy but have hurt China.
00:26:31.900So raising those tariffs, as President Trump did last week, has accelerated the trade war but has not really hurt the U.S. economy.
00:27:00.420Of all the manifestations of Trump's braggadocio, I mean, that style, that Manhattan property developer style, that chutzpah, whatever you want to call it, braggadocio seems to be the word.
00:27:15.440It rubs some people the wrong way in many occasions, even though it's just an aesthetic thing.
00:27:20.440But in terms of foreign trade negotiations, that might be the place where it's a best fit if Trump cannot blink.
00:27:31.100I mean, I watched in horror as my own country of Canada, Joel, was devoured by Trump.
00:27:37.960I don't think it's because he has an enmity towards Canada.
00:27:44.140I think we just had a Trump deranged prime minister who really was looking to pick a fight.
00:27:49.700But I think Trump can be a brutal negotiator on things that it really matters, whether it's getting NATO countries to spend more on their defense or getting trade deals that really open up foreign markets.
00:28:14.740Well, I still believe in free trade, and I'm opposed to tariffs.
00:28:22.760I think what has saved us in this round are a couple of things.
00:28:26.720One, the Federal Reserve raised interest rates over the last year.
00:28:30.800They've stopped doing that now, but they raised rates, and that kept inflation low.
00:28:34.620Number two, the Chinese economy just happens to be not very strong, and the other economic policies of the Trump administration have been very good.
00:28:44.520So you can have tariffs if you're also, at the same time, drastically lowering the cost of doing business in the United States, which we are.
00:28:52.220So that has helped companies move back to the U.S. and produce here, meaning that the prices of goods haven't necessarily changed.
00:29:03.840They're finding it cheaper to produce here.
00:29:06.120So there's been some things that Trump has done very well, and that his administration, if you want to include the Federal Reserve in that, have also done well.
00:29:14.800It's not to say that prices won't go up, or there won't be economic damage from the much higher tariffs now, but we'll have to see.
00:29:23.400What is interesting is that China's response has been largely ineffectual, and we're making it clear not just that we can compete with China on price,
00:29:33.240but also that there's a risk to doing business in China that is greater than people have perceived it to be.
00:29:40.420So they'd rather do business in the United States than in China.
00:29:43.520And I think the Chinese are starting to realize that if they want to hold on to some of these multinational companies that have set up shop there, they're going to have to play ball.
00:30:08.180I don't think tariffs themselves are the goal.
00:30:10.380I think they're the stick to beat the other guy until the goal is achieved, which is, you know, open access and no more dumping in America.
00:30:18.920I actually think that Trump doesn't want the tariffs.
00:30:22.920He's boasting about them to try and rub them in.
00:30:26.120I think he would actually want China to do a deal that is more of a level playing field.
00:30:32.380Would you agree with me that that's his actual—he's a bully to get to what he wants, which is trade peace, not a—he would rather have—I mean, he said something.
00:30:52.700Yeah, so that's been a pattern throughout his career, and there may be a New York style to that where he's been very confrontational and aggressive.
00:31:02.720But in dealmaking, he's very gentlemanly, and he delivers on his promises.
00:31:09.040So he's not just a bully, but he can use very harsh tactics, and I think he's doing that with China.
00:31:14.380Look, he's doing it with Iran as well.
00:32:11.700And that wasn't just a signal domestically.
00:32:16.000That's when the Soviets knew they had a different kettle of fish in the White House as opposed to Jimmy Carter.
00:32:24.400I think that whether it's his extremely harsh sanctions on Russia, which are far tougher than anything Obama did,
00:32:33.880his tough approach to China, tough approach to—his carrot and stick with North Korea.
00:32:38.020And he really hasn't given North Korea that much yet.
00:32:40.780And you're right, with Iran and Venezuela, I think the guy's building up a track record where whatever people say about him,
00:32:47.740they at least know that his threats are probably going to come true.
00:32:52.680And his promises, well, they could come true, too.
00:32:57.920I mean, just today, Trump lifted tariffs on Canadian and Mexican steel.
00:33:04.700I think that was sort of a sign that he, you know, he's not looking to fight for fighting's sake.
00:33:09.100Right, and also he's showing China that he can play ball.
00:33:15.960If they want to come to an agreement, the Chinese will have some benefits from that.
00:33:22.000Right now, the only obstacle to that USMCA agreement is Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats,
00:33:26.920who are reluctant to give Trump a win.
00:33:29.300And so they're insisting on new wage provisions in the agreement, something that's very unlikely to happen.
00:33:34.400But who knows, maybe I can convince Canada through you—no, I'm just kidding.
00:33:40.740Basically, the Democrats don't want to give him a win.
00:33:42.540But on China, interestingly, they are lining up behind him.
00:33:45.760Trump has been incredibly effective in these negotiations.
00:33:49.040And even Tom Friedman of the New York Times, who's a Trump opponent, said that it's possible that only Trump could do what is necessary to correct our trade imbalance with China.
00:34:03.900You know, I—just can you expand on that?
00:34:07.120I mean, the New York Times despises Trump, and the particular New York Times columnist you mentioned, I mean, looks down on Trump intellectually, aesthetically, socially, in every way.
00:35:05.120I remember during the 2016 election campaign, I thought that—I mean, look, I'm a Canadian.
00:35:10.840I'm an outsider, so I don't really know things in a deeper personal way.
00:35:16.500But there was one TV ad I saw by the Steelworkers Union that was—I thought it was devastating.
00:35:23.240And it claimed that Trump was all talk on China, and he used foreign steel for his own buildings because it was cheap, and it was, oh, Trump's a soft-handed boss.
00:35:35.580And they interviewed this really big steelworker from Indiana.
00:35:39.020And I thought, oh, my God, this video is not only incredibly persuasive, but it speaks to those blue-collar, white, rust-belt voters that the Steelworkers knew were the key.
00:35:55.120Hillary Clinton didn't care about them.
00:35:58.300And I don't think that Steelworkers ad got a lot of play.
00:36:02.020I think it was just really to please their base.
00:36:03.940I reached out to the steelworker in question in that ad, and I've had a very slow-motion Facebook conversation with him.
00:36:12.140And I used to say, well, are you impressed with Trump yet?
00:36:14.780And he was skeptical and skeptical and skeptical.
00:36:17.400And he's come around—I should probably do a show on that, Joel—the actual steelworker in the United Steelworkers ad from Indiana, who I found a terrifying voice against Trump.
00:36:39.880Well, it is anecdotal, but we are seeing similar things elsewhere.
00:36:44.800The Associated Press, also no fan of Trump or no friend to Trump, I should say,
00:36:49.260they did a similar piece recently where they went to Wisconsin and basically explained why Wisconsin is still very much a state Trump can win again in 2020 because he has done so much for the economy that people there simply say, well, are we better off than we were three years ago?
00:37:21.440I think that Trump will start to see more and more of that kind of reaction as long as things keep going the way they do.
00:37:26.280Now, he has got some problems on particular issues where Democrats are strong, like health care.
00:37:32.460He also has not solved the country's immigration problem, although he made a nice speech about it yesterday.
00:37:38.920So he's got to do as much as he can to convince the voters that he's moving forward, that there's some progress on these issues.
00:37:45.800And that's going to be key to his re-election.
00:37:49.280I have one last question for you, and I appreciate your time.
00:37:52.040You know, when things are really rough, people vote for change.
00:37:57.520But sometimes when things are really good, people vote for change, too, because they say, you know, things are so good, I feel comfortable to take a risk.
00:38:06.160I mean, I think you could say that after the fall of the Berlin Wall, Americans thought, well, we're in the post-historical era, perpetual peace.
00:38:15.640Yeah, let's elect Bill Clinton, and it doesn't matter because things are so good.
00:38:19.580Do you think there's a risk that America could be made great again, and people would say, yeah, okay, Donald Trump did his part, and now let's choose someone that we find emotionally more connecting to us, that makes us feel better than Trump, and that America, when things are great, like you say in Wisconsin, kids moving out of their parents' house, they say, okay, because of that, we're comfortable to take an electoral risk.
00:38:45.120Is that a possibility, or is that really not how it works in America?
00:38:49.580There is that possibility, and it's hard to say, although usually when people have gone in the other direction like that, it's been because things are going poorly economically.
00:39:07.040As you say, yes, the end of the Clinton era, people switched to Bush, but then, of course, there was the recession of 2000, so things tend to shift when the economy shifts, not when it's stable.
00:39:20.460It is possible people could decide, thank you very much, Donald Trump, you did your job, now we feel confident enough to elect someone else.
00:39:27.600I just don't see who that is yet, and there's a growing feeling that the Democrats haven't really found their candidate yet.
00:39:33.160Joe Biden is leading the field really by a long way.
00:39:37.300I mean, the latest Fox News poll has him up by twice what Bernie Sanders has, 35 to 17, but he doesn't seem to have captured the imagination of the Democratic electorate, so we'll see.
00:39:49.880I think Democrats will have to find someone else to do the extra stuff that they would like done.
00:40:05.400I think everyone thought China was a tougher nut to crack, or maybe they just thought that no president was up to it, but I think they have found their match.
00:40:11.980And I think not only will it yield economic results for America, but it will yield political and geostrategic results, too.
00:40:21.780I'm delighted by it, and it's one of the things that probably doesn't matter to your average person in Wisconsin, but I think it matters to the state of the world, including us up here.
00:41:11.980Churchill or a great British leader in the past, and it makes me deeply worried because I see the seeds of those ideas being planted in Canada.
00:41:20.600In fact, I see our own government cooperating with the U.K. government on censorship matters.
00:41:27.980In fact, they're having a joint conference on censorship this summer.
00:41:44.980I think he's an interesting character.
00:41:46.720I share most of his views, but what really scares me about him, and every time I go to the U.K., it's a very brief trip, but I come back, and that whole seven-and-a-half-hour plane ride home, I'm just thinking, what on earth did I just see?
00:42:00.340All right, folks, we'll talk about something different tomorrow, but I just wanted to show you those videos.
00:42:04.180Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.