Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition joins me to talk about his organization and its mission to counter climate change deniers. He also talks about the dangers of climate change denial, and why he thinks the climate scare is based on bad science.
00:19:27.780And they said, oh, well, you know, the president signed it.
00:19:30.660He considered it consistent with worldview and, you know, the world consensus, which, of course, doesn't exist.
00:19:36.620And so he was astounded that the society would actually sign on to it when, indeed, they hadn't even consulted one of their leading fellows and an energy expert, no less.
00:19:48.720And this kind of thing is happening all over the world where small groups within the professional societies are supporting the politically correct point of view,
00:20:00.500So, you know, as I say, I've asked various societies, can you show us a poll that indicates that your members actually support this point of view?
00:20:08.180And so far, I've never seen a poll anywhere.
00:20:10.400And, of course, I think the reason we haven't is because a lot of them would say, I don't know.
00:20:16.020And a lot of them would say, no, we don't support it, especially in the geosciences.
00:20:20.520Because, and, you know, that's a group of people you don't hear very much of in the climate debate, because those people have a long time frame perspective.
00:20:29.120They know that we're at one of the lowest levels of CO2 in Earth's history, okay?
00:20:34.040If we go too much lower, plants are in danger of dying.
00:20:37.760So we're much closer to a lower limit than we are to any upper limit.
00:20:42.700I mean, you know, in a typical conference room, the CO2 level will be about 1,200 parts per million, okay?
00:20:49.440And, you know, that's three times atmospheric level.
00:20:54.480And it doesn't hurt people in the least.
00:20:56.7601,200 parts per million is actually a target that we should try to get to.
00:21:00.760People say, oh, my God, we're going to triple CO2 levels?
00:21:03.460Yes, we could triple CO2 levels, and plants would love it.
00:21:07.400Because plants, generally speaking, on the Earth, many of them evolved at a time when CO2 was around triple the current level.
00:21:14.640It has no detrimental effect to humans, and almost certainly has no effect on climate.
00:21:20.300So, yes, if CO2 continues to rise, we should cheer.
00:21:23.820CO2science.org, its website in the U.S. run by Dr. Craig Idso, the fellow I introduced earlier, he shows the impact of CO2 rising on crop yield.
00:21:35.040It's not just that the plants grow faster, they need less water.
00:21:39.840So, parts of the Earth that currently cannot grow plants will be able to as CO2 rises.
00:21:48.460The last thing we should do is be having a carbon tax trying to restrict plant food.
00:21:53.400You know, going back to the topic of the professional associations, you, in your article, you have the story of Dr. Hal Lewis, and he tried to prove to his own professional organization that the members of the American Physics Association did not believe in what he calls the global warming scam.
00:22:22.380And when he tried to confront the members, sorry, the American Physics Society, when he tried to confront the leadership of the organization with that evidence, they basically shut him right down.
00:22:32.140It's the same thing as Trump's willingness to examine the science.
00:22:39.420Nobody wants to examine any of the fine details in the facts here, because once you tear that Band-Aid off, boy, oh boy, the truth isn't how it's been presented to us at all.
00:22:49.840Yeah. In fact, the analogy I use, it's like they want to keep the lid on the Pandora's box, because if you open it up and the public see how uncertain the science is, we don't even have to prove our point of view that the science is wrong.
00:23:02.940All we have to do is show it's vastly uncertain, because then people will say, wow, you're spending over a billion dollars a day around the world.
00:23:12.480And that's what they're spending, OK, climate policy initiative out of San Francisco.
00:23:17.100And they say that's not enough. They say we should spend much more.
00:23:20.560It's over a billion a day, most of it going to mitigation, trying to stop climate change.
00:23:25.380And by the way, that is a real scandal as well, because the UN wanted half the money to go to helping people adapt to climate change, which makes sense.
00:23:34.940I mean, climate always changes and people need help.
00:23:37.620They wanted half of it to go to people helping them adapt and half of it go to trying to stop climate change, which, of course, is ridiculous.
00:23:44.400But you know what the actual ratio is? It's 95 percent of that over a billion dollars a day.
00:23:50.980Ninety five percent of it actually goes to trying to stop climate change.
00:23:54.860Only five percent is left over to help real people adapt to climate change.
00:24:00.040And that is a scandal. If you're a social justice warrior and you're saying, look, all this money is going to wind turbine producers and almost nothing goes to the boots on the ground to help people build wells and move to safer areas.
00:24:12.560That that to me is just complete injustice.
00:24:15.940Well, I think it's a testament to just how anti-human the global warming movement really is.
00:24:23.540You know, it's it's a movement that will make life miserable, short and cold for much of the planet.
00:24:32.480And, you know, just agony and human suffering to limit the use of fossil fuels in the developing world or anywhere in the world, quite frankly.
00:24:42.560But I mean, no surprise, no surprise that it goes to line the pockets of rich corporations.
00:24:48.500I should just alert you to one thing coming up on the 25th of this month is the let's see, it's International Climate Change Conference number 13.
00:24:59.200It's going to be held in Washington, D.C.
00:25:01.760And I'll be introducing a panel specifically on fossil fuels and, you know, things to do with prosperity.
00:25:08.600And, you know, we'll also be talking about climate policy.
00:25:11.300But people can check it out on Heartland.org because the Heartland Institute are putting on this conference.
00:25:16.780It's their 13th called the International Climate Change Conference 13 in Washington, D.C.
00:25:22.720And then people will see, yeah, we need fossil fuels desperately.
00:25:27.100The last thing we should do is close it down in an effort to control climate.
00:26:37.240These men were effectively unpersoned and disowned by their own professional societies
00:26:42.100for engaging in rigorous scientific debate about a scientific theory.
00:26:47.560And these organizations are those who pride themselves on being the keepers of professional scientific standards.
00:26:53.780We know the upper echelons of these societies are probably just as infested with green activists as all the other major institutions in our lives.
00:27:03.660Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.