Who won last night’s leaders debate？ Not the Canadian people.
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Who won last night's leaders debate? Ezra Levengan and David Menzies beat five Trudeau lawyers in court to get the chance to ask Justin Trudeau some of the most important questions of the night. And they did it in a way no other media company could even dream of.
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Hello, podcasters. I go through last night's debate, the French language debate, but I don't
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go through the French language debate part of it. I go through the scrum afterwards, which
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most of which was done in English, and a great number of questions. I'd have to add them up.
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They're more than 10 questions. We're put by our reporters, Kian Bextie and David Menzies,
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and our friend Andrew Lawton. Anyways, I'll let you see those in a moment, but of course,
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you're doing the podcast, so you're only listening to them. I would encourage you
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It's just eight bucks a month. Go to premium.rebelnews.com. All right, without further ado, here's the podcast.
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Tonight, who won last night's leaders debate? I'll show you the clips and the tweets to prove
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it decisively. It's October 11th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody
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As you know, on Monday, a federal court judge ordered Justin Trudeau's hand-picked debates
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commission to accredit our journalists, Kian Bextie and David Menzies, to attend the leaders' debates.
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We beat five Trudeau lawyers in court. I was amazed.
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But even more amazing was how Kian and David and our friend Andrew Lawton, who was also in court with us,
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and also got the same court-ordered accreditation.
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It's amazing how well they did journalistically with the opportunity they were given.
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They asked more questions than any other media company at the debates,
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even though the CBC, for example, had more than 80 journalists in the room.
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Because, of course, the media party journalists aren't really that curious about things.
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And if they were really curious about something, they'd probably best keep it themselves,
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or they'd get in trouble, I don't know, with their bosses, with the Trudeau-run parliamentary
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Maybe that's one reason why the legacy media is in such trouble.
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They're so boring. No one is even interested in their stories, unlike the peppy, prickly questions
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that our guys asked, not just at the English-language debate on Monday night,
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Obviously, the debate itself was in French, but the questions after were in either official language,
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I thought our team asked some great questions, and I'll play a bunch of clips for you later in the show.
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But the most hostile reaction to our journalists was not actually from the politicians they were grilling.
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No, it was from rival journalists who hated having the competition, especially a competition that was so keen.
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We got the first questions, the first three questions in a row to Trudeau.
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How lazy do those other 200 incumbent journalists have to be to let that happen?
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Our guys were first in line, second in line, and third in line.
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And, of course, it wasn't just that we had the first three in a row.
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It's that we didn't ask, you know, shampoo-style questions.
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What a disappointing answer this is going to be.
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Whatever happens to be hanging around at the time.
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She said, first few questions to Justin Trudeau after the French debate are all about, in the now infamous parlance of the election, unfounded rumors about his past.
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I'll just say I'm glad this isn't a branch of journalism I've ever been asked to do.
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At Susan Delacorte, her brother is literally a Liberal Party operative.
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I think she was actually one of the five journalist moderators in the first debate.
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She personally cried, tears of sorrow, actual water running down her face, crying, literally, when Liberal leader Michael Ignatiev lost.
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And she's giving us a lecture on what real journalistic questions are like.
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When she practices Liberal Party stenography, she hated that we were asking interesting questions.
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You bet, because she doesn't have the get-up-and-go that our people did.
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Or even if she did, she doesn't want to rock the boat with her friend.
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I'll show you a few more in a moment, but here's a subtler Snyder tweet.
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The Parliamentary Press Gallery, which is older than Canada, I should note, has been deciding who gets a press pass with great success for quite some time now.
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And the decisions about who gets a press pass is made by other journalists, not by the government.
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So here's the reply I wrote to David last night.
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The only reason the press gallery has its authority is because the Speaker of the House delegates it to them and funds them.
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The Parliamentary Press Gallery acts as an agent of the government.
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You call it a great success because you haven't been excluded by that government.
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No, you can't be an agent of the government if one's authority is derived by the Speaker.
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So though I'm no lawyer like you, you're legally incorrect.
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I said, no, my friend, the House of Commons is part of the government.
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A private corporation, some sort of voluntary association?
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It exercises the power of the state, and it has the power to ban non-uniform reporters, which it does.
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I linked to a clip where the Prime Minister's office said they had colluded with the press gallery to keep an eye out to our reporter.
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Just because your organization is associated with white nationalism and white supremacy,
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and those values and views are not welcome in this place.
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So I'm allowed in the White House to cover a news event, and I'm not a white nationalist, I'm not a white supremacist,
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Your news outlet has been associated with that type of behavior and rhetoric, so the White House accreditation will leave it up to them.
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So the Prime Minister's office has made the unilateral decision to not let me in?
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The Prime Minister's office has agreed with the Canadian press gallery that your organization's views are not welcome.
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I'll get you to leave, but I just wanted to come in my email.
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So the Prime Minister's office determines who can and cannot cover Canadian politics in the United States?
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It's a Canadian embassy event, and you are also not an accredited journalist in the Canadian press gallery at a Canadian media event, and that's why.
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Now, I like David Akin well enough for a uniform journalist, but it's really weird for someone to say that Parliament is not part of the government.
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I get why he likes the whole system, because it likes him.
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And anyways, everything's good when the government keeps out scrappy little guys like Kean and David.
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So, the whole system right now is good for the government, and it's good for establishment journalists like David Akin.
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It's good for everyone in the system, everyone except for the citizens.
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Kean Bextie is next, and we'll go through his video.
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The week started in the most surprising of ways.
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We were at the Federal Court of Canada demanding that the Debates Commission, which was handpicked by Justin Trudeau, allow two of our journalists in.
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Now, we hired a team of bright young lawyers, but they warned me when I hired them.
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I said, you know what, we have to fight it on principle.
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We can't allow Justin Trudeau to deplatform us.
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And we went to court on Monday morning, and lo and behold, Justice Russell Zinn agreed with us and commanded the Debate Commission to allow in Kean Bextie and David Menzies.
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And the rest of the week, well, it just went from good to great.
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Joining me now in studio is one of our journalists who was officially certified, accredited, and commanded into the debate by the judge himself, Kean Bextie-Kean.
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There's no, it's not like being a doctor where you have to have a certain certification and a professional.
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So it's, anytime someone says, are you accredited journalists, it's a little bit of BS.
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But I think it's fair to say that in this entire country, with the thousands of journalists from coast to coast, you, David Menzies, and our friend Andrew Lawton from the True North, have the most reputable, authoritative, and commanding certification of any journalist in the country.
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No one less than a federal court judge says, you're a journalist.
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Yeah, you know what, I didn't think about it like that.
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But I guess you could say, I mean, outside the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which really accredits every single Canadian citizen and everyone in Canada to be a journalist, that right extends to everyone.
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There is now a federal court ruling that says we are, in fact, one.
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And I'd like to see where Rosemary Barton's federal court issuance is that accredits her to be a practitioner of journalism.
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And, of course, the Charter of Rights itself did not create these rights.
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It merely enshrined them and wrote them down, rights that we have had for centuries, both through law, statute, and custom, going back to our British legal inheritance.
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But, boy, they did not like to have you amongst the media party.
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Tell me a little bit what it was like, you and David.
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You went to the English debates that Monday night, right, just hours after the court ruling.
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And you were at the French language debates last night in Gatineau.
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So, Monday, we were a bit surprised that we actually got in.
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So, I had flown from Calgary on the Red Eye to Toronto to go to the court case and then to Ottawa.
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And by the time I got to Ottawa, I landed and then I realized that we were going to get in.
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So, I was kind of dressed up in a ball cap and I wasn't really dressed up as I should be.
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So, I was wearing a ball cap asking Justin Trudeau questions, which, I mean, was fun and all.
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But the mainstream media was kind of picking on me for it because they just wanted to pick on everything.
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And they did everything in their power to make it so that I couldn't ask questions because David wasn't there on the Monday.
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He was there on Thursday or whatever yesterday was.
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They would push forward past us in elevators while we were waiting to get our bags sniffed by RCMP dogs.
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And the most hilarious part happened when David and I asked Trudeau both questions each.
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And this was much to the disappointment of the CBC Radio Canada journalist who was chatting with a TVA journalist as well,
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trying to, like, with hand signals, explain how they were going to get in front of us in the queue.
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And immediately after we grilled Justin Trudeau, David and I, and Andrew Lawton as well.
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Trudeau's staffer, who Andrew Lawton identified as Justin Trudeau's press secretary,
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goes up to the Radio Canada journalist and starts scolding him.
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And the Radio Canada journalist is going like, I can't explain how they did it.
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Now, I think I know the Radio Canada journalist you're talking about.
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He's the president of the Parliamentary Press Gallery, right?
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I've been trying to get him to accredit us for months.
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He's clearly in the pocket of the prime minister.
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And if they scolded him, that seems awfully familiar.
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You wouldn't scold a journalist for a journalist doing journalism unless he was in your pocket.
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I didn't know that the three years went boom, boom, boom in a row.
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That's six questions in a row on accountability journalism.
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I say again, Justice Zinn in court on Monday said, what are the odds of even getting a question with 200 journalists there?
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They pushed in front of us to get up this escalator because in the museum, there's one way to get up to where the scrum was happening.
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And they were trying to push past us, but we were just not having any of it.
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It's one of those situations where you're not sure how rude you should be by trying to aggressively get in front of someone.
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And they were being quite aggressive, but we were just not going to have any of it.
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Let's play this video here of that Philippe guy actually scolding David, saying he couldn't be in line because I was also in line.
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He said that was unfair, even though there was plenty of CBC journalists.
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Clearly, he's running errands for the prime minister's office.
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But, I mean, we've always said that they're government journalists.
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Question five CBC questions, since there's many, many medias.
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I mean, just to make sure that every media gets a chance to ask questions.
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What I'm saying is that everyone can ask questions.
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But you only want us to ask one question, just...
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The two of you will have one question before I have mine.
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Maybe every media could have one before you have two.
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But I'm saying that some medias won't have questions, and you'll have two.
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We have to get a court order, sir, to get in here.
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But you're telling me not to ask a question, because there's two of us.
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No, it's not 100%, since you're not playing in a team right now.
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But we have been excluded, sir, from the entire campaign until...
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Well, as you know, the Prime Minister has a penchant for not answering questions.
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It's my understanding, actually, that from what I was hearing from the gentleman, that
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I'm planning to ask two questions, which makes it four.
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Were there any other moments like that where the Media Party, despite Justice Zinn's order
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that you're the only court-approved journalist in the country, the three of you, were there
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any little pouty moments like that, any disparaging, condescending moments like that?
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Well, the left on Twitter, just to put the Media Party aside, the left on Twitter absolutely
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When we asked questions, they said, oh, that's not a fair question.
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Rosemary Barton said, you're not a journalist just because you call yourself a journalist.
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Well, I didn't call myself a journalist, Rosie.
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And on top of that, CTV actually cut the audio.
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They scrambled to cut the audio on their live broadcast because the hilarious part of this
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is every single member of this consortium, a pool, were playing the Scrum Live because
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So they, the CTV, CBC, Global News, were playing the Scrum Live, and were playing three
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And they were just not having any of it when it came to Maxime Bernier.
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And my question about the media bailout, I said, Maxime, do you think that the media bailout
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You wouldn't know that if you're watching CTV because, well, they cut it out right after
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They're like, oh, we can't talk about that $600 million.
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They just killed, so they tried to stop the three years, they tried to stop Bernier from
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They tried to stop the three years from getting access as accredited journalists.
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So their last ditch was to literally kill the sound.
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But they chose dead air rather than to have a question they didn't like and an answer they
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That is like a million-time concentrated media party.
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It's one drop of that will last you a year media party-wise.
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Yeah, I just imagined in my head the editing team in their back room just pulling plugs
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trying to figure out, how do I kill the footage too?
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And it was hilarious because you could hear the audio from the room, just like quiet, like
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And then, of course, there was nothing wrong with the audio other than they just didn't
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It wasn't technical difficulties broadly in the station because right when it went back
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to the anchor, who I don't even know who she is, the audio was fine.
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I just want to show one more clip of, I want to show two more clips.
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Let's show the clip of you, let's show three clips.
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Let's show the six questions in a row to Trudeau about his time at West Point Great Academy.
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So we're going to just, all three couplets in a row.
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And what's so awesome is that these were in a row, right off the top, and they were run
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Have you, your campaign, or any other agents secured non-disclosure agreements from anyone
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The 2001 yearbook from West Point Great Academy says that you and convicted sex offender Christopher
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Ingvoldson made a young student's, quote, life at WPGA a lot more interesting slash amusing,
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Mr. Prime Minister, you left West Point Great Academy in the middle of a term, which is highly
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It was a law firm that made this announcement, which is also highly unusual.
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Sir, can you tell us the real reason why you left so abruptly?
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And did it involve any kind of sexual misconduct at the school?
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I wrote three pages on that in my autobiography, and it involved absolutely nothing of the sort
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Even so, Mr. Prime Minister, a follow-up question.
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Why did so many teenage girls write so passionately about you in the yearbook?
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Was there any connection to you having a relationship with these girls or their mothers?
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When you were accused of, in her words, groping a young woman at the Kokanee Music Festival,
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you said that people can experience things differently.
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When you look back at your career at West Point Great Academy, were there any episodes,
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any chapters, any incidents where, looking back, you may have, in your view or in the view
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of anyone else involved, acted inappropriately?
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I mean, these are questions we're asking publicly because your office has not answered them
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Do you think they are relevant, given that you have been accused of bullying women you've
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worked with, firing women that have stood up to you, and accused of groping women?
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Do you realise that these are important questions?
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We live in a democracy where people are allowed to ask questions, and where Canadians will make
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I am extremely confident in the values that I've always put forward and the work that
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And I know that Canadians will base their decision in 10 days on facts and not on internet rumours.
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A lot of the things that Justin Trudeau says are false internet rumours, like Jody Wilson-Raybould's
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story itself, turn out to be the truth later on.
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There's one more clip I want to show you of David Menzies putting what I thought was an
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excellent question to Elizabeth May, the leader of the Green Party.
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Can you name a single other journalist in this entire country who would have cared about
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this issue and been on this side of the issue and asked it to the Green Party leader?
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This, in some ways, was my favourite moment of the scrum.
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Ms. May, in 2015, you stated that convicted terrorist Omar Khadar had more class than the
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entire effing Conservative cabinet under Stephen Harper.
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Do you still believe in 2019 that this convicted terrorist has more class than the entire Conservative
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Do you understand the concept of it being ridiculous with lots of humour?
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Oh, sorry, if this was an attempt at humour, a supplemental question, do you think that
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the widow and the fatherless children of Christopher Speer, his murder victim, do you think they
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I don't think you understand the concept of press gallery dinner skits, but I will say
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There's very questionable evidence that Omar Khadar committed the crime of which he was accused.
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It was at the disposal, it was the decision of the U.S. military to describe something
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that was in a war zone as terrorism, when in the common sense understanding of the word
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And I recommend to you the journalism of Sandy Garrasino, who has produced a photograph that
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makes it quite clear that at the moment that Mr. Cotter was supposed to have been able
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to throw a grenade, he was under a pile of rubble.
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The whole question is very fraught with historical revisionism, and we're not that far into our
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We also know that his rights were violated because he was a child at the time that his parents
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took him into, that his father took him into a war zone.
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No, actually there's about seven things wrong with her answer there, including the fact that
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Omar Khadar was not legally a child, not under Canadian law, not under the UN conventions
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of the rights of the child, she just made that up.
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He was in fact convicted by a jury of terrorism, it's not just a spurious allegation, he also confessed
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to it, with the advice and approval of his very zealous lawyers.
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He had a lot of very anti-American, pro-terrorist lawyers, they certainly weren't government patsies,
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So frankly, every word you said that she said there was untrue.
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But I say again, the main point of showing that clip was that, can you name me another
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journalist in the country who would have asked that question?
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Good for him for remembering the true victims, the children of Christopher Speer.
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I think it was an incredible week for the rebel.
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But the writ of Justice Russell Zinn, who commanded this media political industrial complex to let
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I predict that going forward, there will be a new hatred and deplatforming of rebel journalists,
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precisely because the whole world saw how well we do, if we're let in.
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And I think that politicians will be pressured not to talk to us, I think events will be pressured
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I think that the very proof of your success that we just saw there will cause the media
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You know, I hope that what you say is not true, although I see the writing on the wall.
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Journalists have a vested interest in protecting their income, and they know that we're pulling
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We're hiring people daily, it seems, here at The Rebel, and we're covering stories that
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On your point about politicians, I hope that's not the case.
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I hope politicians saw that, and I hope the staffers of politicians saw that, because at
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the end of the day, it's not Andrew Scheer saying that he doesn't want to talk to us,
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Hopefully, I saw the questions that we asked and saw that they were reasonable.
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They weren't anything that the media party says we are.
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They were very valid questions to Trudeau, to Andrew Scheer, to Maxime Bernier, to Elizabeth
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And we saw the fallout that both the block leader got and Jagmeet Singh got.
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I'm sure they were applauded by the left for ignoring my question.
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But many people were just like, why would you not answer that question?
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Especially folks in Alberta, they wanted to know why Jagmeet Singh wouldn't answer that question.
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Let's put that question up because, I mean, Jagmeet Singh seems to be a nice enough guy
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But when he detected that you were a rebel, he didn't answer the question, which mistakes
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It's not a personal question that you've just been carrying around with you as a person.
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It's a question that will elicit information about a candidate for millions of viewers to
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The question was not a personal trick or for personal gain.
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It was to elucidate his views on a particular subject and that he used your identity as an
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The question stands on its own merits, but watch Jagmeet Singh avoid the question.
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Elizabeth May told me earlier today, and I think she spoke in the other debate recently, that
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she wants the Alberta oil sands offline in a decade.
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What's the date that you want the Alberta oil sands offline?
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Or are you just going to pass on the question for-
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No, I'm just not going to answer your question.
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The follow up, I guess, would be how do you have the moral authority to take the Alberta oil
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sands offline given Alberta just recently rejected your party in the largest democratic
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I'm not going to answer your question, but thanks.
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I mean, Kian, I don't know you very well, but we've been working together in a friendly
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I can only imagine that the reason he doesn't answer your question is that he finds you politically
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In fact, the way you got to the front of the line there was through a court order and then
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So there's no reason whatsoever that would justify that conduct.
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If Al Jazeera, a state-run propaganda arm of Qatar, asked me a question, I might say to them, I'm not
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talking to you because you're the state-run propaganda arm of Qatar.
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If Xinhua asked me a question, I might say, well, you're just the Communist Party's mouthpiece and you're spies.
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So that, I think, could be a legitimate reason not to talk to a particular media outlet because
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they're not really, like Xinhua and the People's Daily are not journalists.
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But for Jagmeet Singh to decline to answer your question because of your nature, whereas your
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The reason that's odious is not just that it doesn't participate in the democracy and
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the journalistic vetting of politicians, but it telegraphs to me what Jagmeet Singh will
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be like, God forbid, if he were ever granted any power, that if someone were to come to
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his office and say, I need help with an immigration issue, I need help with a passport issue, I need
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help, there's a pothole outside my, I need help, he would say, okay, hang on, hang on.
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He discriminated against you in his answers because you're conservative.
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In a way, it was deplatforming and it was a way, it was a workaround, Justice Zinn's order
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I don't, I mean, they were probably high-fiving and slam dunking in the media party, but if
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I were someone in Jagmeet Singh's own writing, I'd have to say, is he even my MP or should
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Because this guy clearly hates my kind so much that he won't even let me ask a question.
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I think also the question was harder than, that was probably the most difficult question
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Yeah, maybe he wasn't even conservative, maybe he was just looking for a way out from
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Well, yeah, and the question was a valid question that Albertans and folks in Saskatchewan want
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Is, I mean, they just rejected the NDP, Rachel Notley's government, the largest democratic
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You saw the protests of everyday working class Albertans outside of the Hyatt at that I Heart
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It was on the streets when Justin Trudeau came.
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And if TMX is canceled, how does the NDP have the moral authority, or the Green Party for
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that matter, or the Liberal Party have any moral authority to govern Alberta when they
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Well, Ian, listen, I think you had a great week.
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I think we're punching above our weight in this election.
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We're asking accountability journalism that viewers love, politicians hate, and our competitors
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I tell you, from the federal court in Toronto on Monday to the deplatforming of my book launch
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in Edmonton on Thursday, it was exhilarating, thrilling, stressful.
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But I feel like the Rebel had one of our best weeks ever.
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We asked some of the best questions we ever had in the most important time to do so.
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Even though we were technically shut out, I mean, not technically, physically shut out
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of the Princess Theatre in Edmonton, we had hundreds of people show up anyways, and we
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concocted or came up with or discovered a new strategy for fighting against the deplatformers.
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I'll talk a little bit more about that on Monday's show.
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And I thank you for being such strong supporters of the Rebel.
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Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,