Why aren't the Conservatives talking about Trudeau's vaccine bungle？
Episode Stats
Words per Minute
173.87302
Summary
Why isn t the Conservative Party of Canada talking about Justin Trudeau's bungling on vaccines? Ezra Levant exposes the truth behind the party s silence on the issue, and explains why it s a symptom of total fear of the media.
Transcript
00:00:00.000
Hello, my rebels. I want to talk to you about my quarrel with Erin O'Toole and the Conservative
00:00:04.800
Party. Not because I like the quarrel, but don't punch me and think I'm going to just turn the
00:00:10.040
other cheek if you're fibbing about me. So I thought I had to reply, but I'm not going to
00:00:14.040
reply unfairly. I just want to show you the paper trail of my complete exchange with Erin O'Toole's
00:00:21.400
office. I hope you don't find it boring. You might. You might say, Ezra, that's gossip. I don't want
00:00:26.360
to hear it. But unfortunately, I think it reveals a weakness in the Conservative Party of Canada.
00:00:32.580
I think what the documents I'm about to show you will prove is that absolutely, of course,
00:00:38.080
I interviewed Erin O'Toole by email, of course, which is what I said. And for him to try and
00:00:43.940
denounce that or deny that is weird. And it's a symptom of his total fear of the media party.
00:00:51.020
So that's what you're in for if you continue listening. I'd invite you to watch also by
00:00:57.140
becoming a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. You know, that's what, eight bucks a month,
00:01:01.200
80 bucks a year if you buy the whole year in advance. Just go to rebelnews.com and click
00:01:04.360
subscribe. And that'll help us out because it'll help put some change in our piggy bank and you'll
00:01:10.900
get the video version of the show. Plus now we have three shows in addition to mine, Sheila
00:01:16.160
Gunn-Reed, David Menzies, and a new show called Andrew Says by Andrew Chapados. Okay, here's
00:01:35.160
Tonight, why isn't the Federal Conservative Party talking about Trudeau's bungling of the vaccines
00:01:44.360
issue? It's January 14th and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
00:01:50.500
Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:54.320
There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:58.380
The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody
00:02:04.260
I'm skeptical about vaccines. I'm skeptical about them being rushed into market so quickly. I'm
00:02:15.980
wondering if they are fully tested, including on different demographics, people who are very
00:02:20.300
old, people who are sick, people who are malnourished, people who are pregnant, on children. I'm a little
00:02:25.500
nervous about it in particular because I've been studying the statistics for months and I realized
00:02:31.560
that while some parts of the community are at risk, others have an extremely low risk of suffering any
00:02:39.080
harm from the coronavirus, COVID-19, or even death. So I want to know more before I say green light to
00:02:45.700
vaccines. I'm not against vaccines per se. I just know that sometimes they can be dangerous and risky
00:02:51.240
and I want to know all the side effects. And every day that passes, I'm more and more convinced that
00:02:57.420
COVID-19 is a disease that hurts the very old and those with very deep underlying comorbidities,
00:03:05.240
as they're called, which means you're already sick from two or three serious things.
00:03:10.080
That said, some people deeply believe in the vaccine and anyone who believes in freedom of
00:03:15.880
choice should say if you believe in the vaccine, if you're worried about it, if you think it'll make you
00:03:20.820
healthy or protect you or maybe just give you some mental health, some peace of mind, if that's
00:03:26.800
important to you, I'm not going to say no. And so it is in Canada as around the world, many countries
00:03:34.260
are dispensing vaccines often for free. For whatever reason, the little country of Israel is far ahead of
00:03:42.500
the pack in terms of vaccinating people. They've vaccinated an enormous amount of what they consider
00:03:48.520
their vulnerable populations, older people. Canada, despite spending billions on everything,
00:03:56.440
is far behind in the pace of handing out vaccines. And you can see in various headlines,
00:04:03.980
Justin Trudeau blames the provinces for the slow rollout of the vaccine, but they all get the vaccine
00:04:10.720
from Trudeau. He and his cabinet ministers boast about how many they've ordered, but it's one thing
00:04:17.880
to order a vaccine. What really counts is does it actually show up? And again, I'm just talking about
00:04:23.080
this for people who want it. I know that the province of Alberta that has the fastest distribution
00:04:29.520
of vaccines other than tiny Prince Edward Island, they're about to run out. So the obvious question is,
00:04:36.900
where is the federal conservative party on this? Why isn't Aaron O'Toole, their leader, making a big
00:04:44.380
fuss about the fact that the one thing, Trudeau had one job, he had two jobs. One was sealing off the
00:04:50.600
airports from China. He didn't do that. His only other job was getting the vaccines. That's how it is.
00:04:56.280
And he hasn't. Why? Why? Was he too busy banning single-use plastic bags? Now, there's been a little
00:05:02.480
bit of noise on this, but remember the quiz we did the other day? Who is the conservative party
00:05:07.220
health critic? No one really knew. It's Michelle Rempel of Calgary. So where is the protest? Where
00:05:14.920
is the demonstration? Where is the daily press conference? Where is the federal conservative
00:05:21.520
fight back on this issue? If we can't get the conservatives to fight against the lockdown,
00:05:26.900
if we can't get them to fight against other things, well, at least can they fight on this?
00:05:30.520
If they think that the vaccine is being politically correct and they want to be on that side, this
00:05:36.420
is the perfect opportunity for them to be pro-vaccine for those who want them and critical of Justin
00:05:43.380
Trudeau. Why haven't they done that? Well, one reason, and it's a very weird reason, is because
00:05:52.280
Aaron O'Toole's entire communications team made the decision that this was the week that they were
00:05:59.640
in a fight with Rebel News instead of fight with Justin Trudeau. So weird. I told you about this
00:06:05.960
yesterday. It started when we did an interview with Aaron O'Toole, an email interview. He didn't
00:06:11.180
want to do a video interview. That's fine. And we published it on Monday verbatim. You know what
00:06:15.200
that means, right? Word for word. Nothing added, nothing taken away. It was a pretty short interview.
00:06:20.000
It was only four questions. And I thought it was a good interview. I thought it made him look good.
00:06:23.700
And we emailed it out to a lot of people. I think it was a win for Aaron O'Toole, but some mean kids
00:06:28.860
in the parliamentary press gallery stole his lunch money. So that night, you can see here that Melanie
00:06:34.620
Paradis, the communications director for Aaron O'Toole, said it was a fake. There was no interview.
00:06:42.240
The whole thing was a hoax or something. I don't know. I think she was just trying to get the bullies
00:06:47.840
to stop bothering her. And she started to disparage Rebel News and claim the whole thing
00:06:56.120
never happened or didn't happen the way we said it. It was a little curious how exactly
00:07:02.700
she said things went down, because we had the words by Aaron O'Toole. They weren't claiming we
00:07:08.980
didn't have the words. So instead of fighting on the vaccines filed, Aaron O'Toole and his
00:07:16.020
communications staff have been fighting on the Rebel file. And look at this. Here's a tweet
00:07:21.580
from a liberal MP tweeting me with approval, fact-checking the communications director
00:07:30.820
for the Conservative Party. When a liberal MP is quoting you with approval, that's always a bad sign.
00:07:38.520
Thing is, I just don't think that we at Rebel News can stand by silently, as Aaron O'Toole's
00:07:44.040
director of communications said that we lied or something. I still don't know exactly what the
00:07:49.420
charge is. Anyways, the communications director of the Conservative Party spent the last few days
00:07:55.040
doing this. So I thought I would, I don't know, it's sort of weird, clear the air and show you my
00:08:01.620
entire exchange, which was all by email, with the communications staff of the Conservative Party.
00:08:10.420
You could judge for yourself. I actually did it in a series of tweets earlier today, but I want to
00:08:16.360
share it with you two, just in case you care. And I promise this will be the last day I talk about
00:08:20.880
this contretop. So just to recap, we had a huge scoop back in December. I had a 34-page document
00:08:29.760
called The China Files. It was unredacted top secret memos about the relationship between the
00:08:35.460
Canadian Armed Forces and the People's Liberation Army. It was supposed to be blacked out, but it
00:08:39.860
wasn't. And it was sent to me by the government. I didn't steal it. I didn't hack it. It was a huge
00:08:46.280
news story. The Globe and Mail followed up on it. You might recall I went on Tucker. And of course,
00:08:50.840
Aaron O'Toole went to Parliament to ask questions about it and had a press conference about it.
00:08:55.840
I tried to get into his press conference, but they didn't call on me. I think I mentioned this to
00:09:03.000
you the other day. They called on the CBC twice and Canadian Press twice, but those journalists never
00:09:08.660
actually asked about the documents. So after the press conference was over, I sent a direct message
00:09:14.640
on Twitter to Aaron O'Toole, who follows me on Twitter. A direct message is like a, well, it's just
00:09:21.160
what it sounds like. It's a private, it's like an email. But Aaron O'Toole only follows a certain
00:09:25.880
number of people, so it's not as cluttered as your email might be. Now, I didn't hear back from him
00:09:31.320
directly, but I was delighted to receive an email from O'Toole's press secretary, Chelsea Tucker.
00:09:39.980
She got right back to me and said she was happy to hear from me, but she was just too busy that day
00:09:47.920
to arrange an interview. All right, no problem. Yeah, it could be true. Leader of the Opposition,
00:09:55.040
very busy person. Just had a whole press conference on this issue to no avail, but all right, fine. No
00:10:01.580
problem. But I wanted to check because, remember, Andrew Scheer boycotted Rebel News. So in my email to
00:10:09.780
Chelsea Tucker, I was glad she wrote to me, I asked her to please clarify, was Aaron O'Toole really just
00:10:16.340
too busy? Or was Andrew Scheer's unpopular boycott of Rebel News still in effect? As you can see in my
00:10:24.340
email, I asked twice, are you still banning us? If so, just tell me and I'll stop pestering you.
00:10:31.640
The yellow highlights here were in my original email. Look, I wasn't looking for a fight. I really
00:10:35.640
wasn't. I had the story of the year in my view. I had just done Tucker Carlson's huge show.
00:10:41.200
And I thought, well, look, you guys are the conservatives. You should be talking about this.
00:10:45.420
Now, to my delight, Chelsea Tucker, the press secretary for Aaron O'Toole, wrote back to me,
00:10:51.920
assuring me that Aaron O'Toole was indeed engaging with us. We are members of the Independent Press
00:11:00.560
Gallery, and O'Toole made a promise to deal with Independent Press Gallery members. And Chelsea Tucker
00:11:06.540
reminded me, O'Toole had done one-on-one interviews with Kian Bextie. So she said again, it was really
00:11:13.820
just a question of time. So could we do the interview in writing instead of via Skype? So she insisted that
00:11:22.700
no, no, they were indeed talking to Rebel News. It was just everyone was so, so busy. Could I put my
00:11:30.420
questions in writing? And I said, all right, here you go. I mean, it's sort of lame, considering we're
00:11:36.840
in the video business. But I put a series of questions to Aaron O'Toole, and I sent them
00:11:42.720
courtesy of his press secretary. And I said, seriously, when you're done being beat up by the CBC,
00:11:50.020
come on over for a real interview on the real issue, or not. And delay and delay and delay. I didn't hear
00:11:59.020
back from Chelsea Tucker, but I can be stubborn sometimes. So I checked in with her, and then
00:12:05.500
again, and then again, and then again. And I was getting a little bit impatient. But after checking
00:12:12.940
four times, it was a Christmas miracle. I did get the answers to my interview questions. It was so late
00:12:21.620
in the year, I didn't want to have the story buried in the Christmas break, which is sort of a dead
00:12:26.620
zone for news. And since the comments were exclusive to me, I knew I wouldn't be scooped by another
00:12:31.920
media company if I waited till after Christmas. As you can see, the answers to my series of questions
00:12:39.860
were written in the first person. As prime minister, I would do this, I would do that. So it was obviously
00:12:45.000
from Aaron O'Toole. And O'Toole had interlaced his answers to my questions. So it was an email
00:12:54.240
interview. Question, answer, question, answer, question, answer. So it came back to me. I was
00:12:59.560
frankly a little bit surprised. But I just wanted to triple check. Because again, you know, I was still
00:13:06.440
a little questioning here. So I checked. Can I attribute these words, this interview that you packaged for me,
00:13:14.040
can I attribute it to Aaron O'Toole? And she said, yep. It's from O'Toole. Have a Merry Christmas.
00:13:21.820
So that's it. That's the entire exchange. And it was all by email. I never had a phone call.
00:13:30.400
You've just seen it all. I direct messaged O'Toole on Twitter. He had his press secretary email me.
00:13:36.860
I asked for a TV interview. She offered one by email instead. I sent my questions over.
00:13:43.540
After I pestered them four times, they finally sent the interview questions back with answers.
00:13:49.520
And I proved it to be quoted in the boss's name. I think that's what you say QED to. That's what I
00:13:55.480
was trying to show you. So what changed between Monday morning and Monday afternoon when O'Toole
00:14:02.800
practiced a little cancel culture on me, which he repeatedly promised he would not do during the
00:14:08.600
campaign. He fooled it in a matter of hours. Did I misquote Aaron O'Toole? No. We published his
00:14:15.060
answers verbatim. I actually just used my mouse and I cut and paste literally from the press secretary's
00:14:21.300
email because I didn't want to get a punctuation mark wrong. Everything was exactly, if he had a
00:14:26.300
spelling error in there, we would have published it that way. Was it an interview? Of course it was an
00:14:31.680
interview. That's what you call a series of questions and answers between a journalist and a
00:14:35.460
politician. I wanted to do it via Skype. I think maybe they were nervous about that, that I might
00:14:40.080
ask a gotcha question. So they prefer to do it by email so they were more in control. That's fine.
00:14:45.840
My favorite line in this whole story was in the Globe and Mail when they wrote about O'Toole
00:14:52.840
throwing us under the bus. Look at this. Look at this in the Globe. Mr. O'Toole did not have an
00:14:59.320
interview with the rebel and will not in the future, Mr. O'Toole's press secretary, Chelsea
00:15:05.280
Tucker, said in an email. She did not say why Mr. O'Toole's office agreed to the interview.
00:15:11.740
So we didn't have an interview. We're not going to have an interview, but I'm not going to tell
00:15:15.160
you why we had an interview. Okay. So we're doing a poll. I'm not sure if you got an email
00:15:22.780
from us this morning about that. Should O'Toole ban rebel news? And I honestly, I don't know exactly
00:15:28.520
what banning rebel news means. I mean, the Liberal Party tries to ban rebel news. Doug Ford probably
00:15:35.400
would try and ban rebel news. A lot of people would like to try and ban us, but, you know,
00:15:39.020
we're still here. Andrew Scheer tried to ban us, and I'm not even sure where he is these days for all
00:15:43.820
I know he's in Hawaii, too. So yesterday I made a video about the ban, and I asked people to vote.
00:15:53.780
Should we be banned? I honestly don't know what it means to be banned, but we put a poll up on a
00:15:59.920
special website called banrebelnews.com. So maybe I was sort of juicing the vote to be hostile to us.
00:16:07.940
Now, I took a snapshot of the poll just before I come into the studio here today, and here are the
00:16:12.580
results so far. 81 people think we should be banned, and 8,014 people don't think we should be banned.
00:16:21.920
What do you think? Well, I know a number of people phoned the party headquarters today and gave a piece
00:16:30.060
of their mind. I said call the party, but if you support them, give them a donation. I think they're
00:16:33.820
going to need the help. I come back to how I started this whole thing. I didn't want to quarrel with
00:16:40.220
Aaron O'Toole. I wanted to do the opposite. I wanted an interview with the guy. I wanted to talk
00:16:43.900
to him about the news. But their press team is so shell-shocked, so unself-confident, such an
00:16:51.180
inferiority complex. They were played like a fine violin by the media party, the CBC, and the liberals.
00:16:58.720
When a liberal MP is quoting me, fact-checking the conservative party's press staff,
00:17:04.100
that's a bad week. And it managed to change the channel for Justin Trudeau, who's just laughing
00:17:11.220
as the conservative party picks a fight with the biggest conservative media in Canada. I'll say what
00:17:17.620
I said yesterday. I actually want Aaron O'Toole to win the next election. I don't want Justin Trudeau
00:17:23.460
to be prime minister. My worry is that Aaron O'Toole might not have the stuff. If he folds so quickly
00:17:30.220
the first whiff of gunpowder, how's he going to handle a whole campaign? I find this quite surprising
00:17:35.200
given that he actually has smelled the gunpowder. He was a former member of the Canadian Armed Forces.
00:17:41.300
Where's that stuff? Where's that fight? We need that now. We're going to keep doing what we're doing.
00:17:47.240
I hope that he shakes his head and says, what am I doing fighting with the conservative media in this
00:17:52.520
country instead of fighting with the liberal party? And why are my staff and MPs squawking about
00:17:58.840
journalists instead of squawking about the lack of vaccines in Canada for those who want them?
00:18:04.820
I don't know. But then again, I'm not the leader of the conservative party. Meantime,
00:18:08.620
I'll just keep on doing things over here. I'm not going to talk about the subject anymore,
00:18:11.820
but I wanted to bring it full circle and show you the entire exchange between me and the party,
00:18:17.520
just in case you thought there were some shenanigans. I want you to know that it was they
00:18:23.400
who suggested doing the interview by email, they who got me the quotes, they who said it was indeed
00:18:29.100
Aaron O'Toole, and they who approved every word and then finally freaked out at the first whiff of
00:18:36.060
pressure. It's heartbreaking, but you know what? We've got work to do. Stay with us. More ahead.
00:18:53.400
Welcome back. Well, last week it was the province of Quebec with nearly 25% of Canada's population
00:19:00.680
that was put under curfews, nighttime curfews from 8 p.m. till 5 p.m. like you're some sort of
00:19:07.860
child or something, like the virus is deadly at 8.01, but not at 7.59 p.m. There's no science there.
00:19:17.160
It's about conditioning us for control. Well, today, as we were sitting in our office here in
00:19:22.580
Toronto, Canada's most populous province of Ontario, everyone in the room, we were in the
00:19:29.820
office, every one of us got this emergency alert on our cell phone. You know, the type usually reserved
00:19:35.720
for a kidnapped kid, an amber alert. Well, let me read this to you. Emergency alerts. A stay-at-home
00:19:43.920
order is in effect. Only leave home for essential purposes, such as food, health care, exercise,
00:19:49.760
or work. It is the law. Stay home, stay safe, stay lives. Learn more at Ontario slash COVID response.
00:19:57.360
Except that's not the whole story, is it? There's actually 29 reasons, 29 exemptions that allow you
00:20:06.300
to leave your house. Why is the government saying you can't leave the house when there are actually
00:20:11.100
some ways to leave the house? Why are they telling us that we have to be in total fear?
00:20:18.640
Joining us now to talk about this is our friend Andrew Lawton, the host of The Andrew Lawton Show,
00:20:22.680
and a pillar of True North. How you doing, Andrew?
00:20:27.760
Good. Did you get that same amber alert on your phone?
00:20:30.460
I did. I'm glad I'm not a late sneeper, or I would have been roused to it with a genuine emergency
00:20:36.220
alert. It was actually a civil liberties emergency, not the intended one. But yes, I certainly got that
00:20:41.700
blaring on my phone when I was actually trying to record my own show.
00:20:44.920
Yeah. I mean, we intend to live our lives as we do. And if any police officer wants to stop us,
00:20:51.120
we'll see them in court. We're really doing lots of civil liberties stuff these days.
00:20:55.920
I haven't had a chance to go through the regs very detailed. The weird thing is they announced the
00:21:01.520
lockdown first, but didn't publish the rules till later. How can you do that? No one knows what
00:21:08.920
they have to follow. No citizens know what the rules are. No police know what the rules are.
00:21:14.640
Time and again, we see police going too far, being too threatening with a taser, with arrest,
00:21:21.020
because they don't know what the rules are either.
00:21:22.580
Yeah. I mean, I think an example of this is a Montreal police yesterday or two days ago,
00:21:30.220
inspecting a woman's lunch bag to make sure there was something essential in it because they caught
00:21:35.140
her breaking curfew. And I guess she had to prove that she had a sandwich in there and not, you know,
00:21:40.140
guitar strings or something like that. But the problem with this emergency alert, when you give a
00:21:46.220
very simple message that you have to stay home, it's the law, they're actually getting people who
00:21:52.420
aren't paying attention to the news because everyone who has a cell phone is seeing that.
00:21:56.960
And it was very difficult, even for people that do follow the news, to keep up with what the
00:22:01.600
regulations actually were. They announced this, they announced some amendments, they put out a
00:22:06.680
frequently asked questions, they put out statements, there were conflicting news stories. And it was only
00:22:11.360
six hours before the order actually went into effect that the actual text of it was made available.
00:22:18.600
The average Ontarian isn't going to read that and make sure they fall within those 29 exemptions.
00:22:24.480
The average person is going to get that thing on their phone that says it's against the law for
00:22:28.000
you to leave your house. Yeah. You know, you and I consume more news than 99.9% of people. It's
00:22:34.980
our business. I have a law background. You think like a lawyer, so we can, and you interview great
00:22:40.960
lawyers. Is that an insult or a compliment? No, no, you have, like you analyze and you detect the BS
00:22:45.260
words. You know what I mean by that? So you and I, I would call, we're, I mean, this is not a
00:22:52.040
compliment. I think I'm trying to describe our interest in the news. I would call us sophisticated
00:22:55.960
consumers of the news. I'm not saying we can't be bamboozled or we understand everything, but on
00:23:01.660
the spectrum of people, cause I'm thinking of what about someone who doesn't follow the news at all?
00:23:06.380
They don't care. They fall sports and celebrities. They don't fall in the news. What about someone for
00:23:10.340
whom English is a second language? They're a little wobbly in English. They just came to Canada.
00:23:15.220
Maybe they get this. They don't know. They, it feels like a police state. What about people who
00:23:19.880
are just plain old simple or naive or, or, and what about people who are scared? And that's a lot of
00:23:28.000
people. They've been conditioned to be scared for almost a year. And then you get this stay in your
00:23:33.480
home. Do not leave your home. Stay in your home. This is the law. It is straight out of a dystopian
00:23:39.980
science fiction novel. And I think it's terrible.
00:23:45.460
Yes. And that's precisely the point here is that this is now for the average person for,
00:23:51.640
I would say the majority of people telling them that they are not allowed to leave their homes
00:23:56.380
for practically anything. When in reality, it was surprising given that there was talk of a curfew,
00:24:02.780
how toothless in some regards the order was. I mean, the province's frequently asked questions thing
00:24:08.240
says, well, you know, people will have the right to figure it out. And we're not going to tell a
00:24:12.760
business whether what they're selling is essential or non-essential. And we're not going to tell you
00:24:16.920
whether you can do this or do that. So in a lot of cases, there is a lot of latitude given to people
00:24:23.060
to make up their own minds, which I think should be commended and is what we need to see more of.
00:24:27.880
But when the language surrounding it is stay home, stay home, stay home, you're really so in
00:24:33.680
confusion. And it's like they're actually creating a law that can't be challenged in a way because
00:24:38.740
they're telling people to stay home. But the actual order gives more latitude, which means
00:24:43.660
they achieve the result they want without having something that can be challenged in court.
00:24:47.940
Yeah. You know what? I met a grandparent the other day who was saying that his own children
00:24:52.960
refuse to meet with them, not because they're mad at them, because they're scared to kill them
00:24:56.920
with the virus. I know other seniors who are afraid to leave home and will probably,
00:25:02.580
Andrew, never leave their home for the rest of their lives. And I don't mean never, ever. I mean,
00:25:06.620
they go in to the store once a week. But other than that, they have their entire outside,
00:25:14.000
outward-looking life is over. No more traveling. No more going out with friends. No more going out
00:25:19.820
to restaurants. No more. This has killed an entire culture. It has petrified millions of people.
00:25:30.340
I can't believe it's still accepted. Where is the opposition? What I don't understand, Andrew,
00:25:35.820
is why is no one in any institution speaking out? No opposition party in Canada is against this,
00:25:43.680
other than tiny details. No, I mean, the sun takes a run at it a bit. We do. But I mean,
00:25:50.440
a mighty institution. No judge has struck anything down. No other, like all the social media are totally
00:25:58.360
on board with it. There's no other power source that says, whoa, stop what you're doing. Why is that,
00:26:05.660
Andrew? You know, I think there are a lot of factors. Number one is that this has become a culture
00:26:11.780
war issue now beyond the legal issues and beyond the bylaws and the regulations and the orders and
00:26:18.100
the orders in council so that it is a cancelable offense to speak out against this. And when we do
00:26:25.280
hear political opposition, oftentimes, especially at the provincial level, it's from opposition
00:26:30.020
parties that are demanding the government go even beyond what they're doing. The NDP in Alberta,
00:26:35.500
the NDP in Ontario, their opposition to regulations is, why are you not locking more down? Why are you
00:26:40.500
not restricting more freedoms? And I am encouraged to see a lot of the work you've been doing at Rebel
00:26:46.800
to help people fight fines, the Canadian Constitution Foundation, the Justice Centre for Constitutional
00:26:52.660
Freedoms. This is great to help individual people. The problem with this is that it's a defensive
00:26:58.160
mechanism. It's a reactive approach. It's a responsive one. So there isn't this, you know, major
00:27:05.940
leader get to the core of the bylaws and restrictions and regulations and ordinances themselves. You're
00:27:12.240
right that that's something that's missing. You know, I'm very frustrated by it. I see the same thing
00:27:17.280
you do. I love doing our fight the fines. I feel like we're helping lots of individual people. But
00:27:23.580
that's like playing whack-a-mole. Like there's always going to be more. And you're not moving the ball
00:27:29.980
forward. You're just stopping it from going backward. I mean, I don't know, there have been a few
00:27:36.420
attempts at a constitutional challenge. I think judges are afraid, just like everyone. I think
00:27:41.280
judges don't want to be seen. No one wants to be seen to do anything risky and deadly. No one wants to
00:27:48.080
have deaths hung around their neck. And the thing is, the irony is, this lockdown is causing many more
00:27:55.240
deaths indirectly and not on purpose compared to the number it's saving. I think we're in the darkest
00:28:03.680
days yet. Can you give me something positive to think about? Is there any silver lining here? Is
00:28:11.060
there anything to make us more optimistic or hopeful? Well, it's a really, you got to really
00:28:18.520
search for the silver lining. The one upside is that it's only when things get really bad that people
00:28:23.260
realize how bad things are and start to push back against it. And, you know, when people are having
00:28:28.480
their sandwich bags inspected and if people are pulled over and questioned on why they're going to
00:28:33.480
this park or that park or people who are seen together or forced to justify that they live
00:28:38.180
together. I mean, these sorts of things are quite terrible and very much signs of dark days. But these
00:28:43.660
actions tend to be very revealing. And a lot of the people who have been somewhat complacent, I think,
00:28:48.440
will have to wake up. Now, that may be wishful thinking. And I realize that's a very twisted
00:28:52.460
positive since you asked for a positive. But that's the only thing we can hold out hope for
00:28:56.320
right now. Well, we'll keep up the fight. And I know you will, too. Great to see you again.
00:29:00.920
I'd like to encourage our viewers who have not done so already to check out your show called
00:29:05.660
The Andrew Lawton Show, which can be found at andrewlawtonshow.com. I'm right on that URL.
00:29:12.000
Is that right, Andrew? You are. Thank you. That's great. We'll keep up the great work over there.
00:29:15.680
Thanks for your time today. Anytime. Okay. Stay with us.
00:29:22.460
Hey, welcome back on my show last night. Julian writes,
00:29:35.160
When Hitler ruled, you weren't allowed to criticize him. So I guess the same rules are applying here
00:29:39.560
in Canada. It's very interesting. I mean, look, I don't believe in calling people Hitler too lightly
00:29:46.200
because Hitler is worse than anyone in Canada. There's no one in Canada who did what Hitler did.
00:29:51.500
I doubt there's anyone in Canada who would want to do what Hitler did. So to call Trudeau
00:29:57.340
Hitler is to diminish that. And I don't want to do that. I do call people communists sometimes
00:30:04.280
because they really are communists. They admit it. There's not a lot of Nazis. I think it's more sort
00:30:08.880
of live action role play. There are some would be neo-Nazis, but they're generally poor living in
00:30:14.720
their parents' basement and just tapping on the internet. I don't think they're real communists.
00:30:19.140
I do think are real. And I think they have some power. But I don't like using either communist or
00:30:23.800
Nazi lightly because they have such a deep, dark meaning. The Nazis killed tens of millions of
00:30:30.760
people. The communists killed hundreds of millions of people. You know, estimates say that close to 60
00:30:37.320
million in China alone. I don't think we should throw those words around. But my point is Trudeau throws
00:30:42.820
him around. And the police hunt you down if you say them about him. He's starting to resemble that
00:30:50.780
which he claims he is not. Rainer writes, thank you Ezra and also Sheila Gunner-Eid for your work.
00:30:56.060
I would love to patronize the businesses of those brave small business people that are defying these
00:31:01.280
unconstitutional lockdowns. Is there a way to become a part of this network by becoming a customer
00:31:06.380
of small businesses that are standing up for freedom? It's a really good idea. I don't know the right
00:31:11.520
system or structure for that. I'll ask Sheila. Maybe she has an idea. My head is spinning with so many
00:31:17.100
projects right now. I'm really alert to the lockdown in Ontario and the curfew in Quebec.
00:31:23.120
I'm trying hard to increase our capacity to take tickets and fines for people. That's really on my
00:31:28.800
mind. Plus, I'm defending our team against, you know, ridiculously, Aaron O'Toole and the conservatives.
00:31:35.540
I want to focus on the real stuff instead. But that's not a bad idea. And unfortunately,
00:31:40.720
we're going to be in this lockdown for quite a while. Let me close by saying tonight we're
00:31:45.740
starting a new show. It's called Andrew Says. It's with our own Andrew Chapados and it's a series
00:31:52.140
of interviews. Now, this one's sort of cheating because normally he talks to people outside Rebel
00:31:56.360
News, but his guest tonight at 9 p.m. Eastern is our own Avi Yamini. But it's more of a biographical
00:32:02.600
interview. I think you'll like it. That's tonight at 9 Eastern, 7 Mountain Time. Until tomorrow,
00:32:08.360
on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.