Rebel News Podcast - Zuby Should Not Compete Against Women

00:00:00.000 uh mic check yo we're still here congratulations or the rapper zuby just set a major women's

00:00:14.720 sports record and he did it without even training and without even being a woman a couple weeks ago

00:00:19.680 zuby tweeted this quote i keep hearing about how biological men don't have any physical strength

00:00:24.160 advantage over women in 2019 so watch me destroy the british women's deadlift record without even

00:00:30.480 trying that's how it is in pool you know men can't compete in the women's division of pool

00:00:35.680 but women can compete in the men's division yeah it's the same in the most sports most people aren't

00:00:39.920 aware of that most people think that they're they have specific restrictions saying only men can do

00:00:44.000 them but that's actually quite rare well there's a lot of successful female to male athletes where

00:00:51.120 females transition to males and dominate male sports okay i didn't know i wasn't i was true i made it

00:00:57.440 up okay all right 100 it's never gonna happen i was i was trying to think about it i was like

00:01:03.120 going what the is this what is going on i mean the whole thing of white privilege is it's uh

00:01:09.200 it's essentially a little essay or paper by some woman that went that went way too far right you

00:01:16.560 know they had that whole i can't remember the name of the woman who first wrote the paper on it and the

00:01:20.880 invisible knapsack and whatever it was you know relatively short paper just with this idea of

00:01:25.120 white privilege right it was just kind of an idea and for whatever reason over the past few decades

00:01:30.160 people kind of re-found this paper and ran with it and so now you've got politicians and you've got

00:01:35.600 actors and you've got just general people talking about this whole concept i think one of the worst

00:01:41.440 things you can do especially to a young person is to convince them that they're some kind of victim and

00:01:46.960 that the world is against them and that they're oppressed especially if that's not actually true

00:01:51.760 because i believe that whatever lens you view the world through is gonna be your reality i just don't

00:01:58.800 see how instilling this world view in people or having this world view brings you any kind of happiness

00:02:04.800 or peace or joy or enables you to just get just get on with people and just see people as people and

00:02:10.560 have friends from different groups and ethnicities and that's right people who are always screaming about

00:02:14.560 diversity inclusion and tolerance you know they're extremely seem to extremely uh homogenized um

00:02:24.000 exclusive and intolerant and it's uh it's quite amazing i would i would add by the way in my own

00:02:30.960 sphere of particular knowledge they still haven't produced any readable books i mean you know it is

00:02:36.480 very striking i mean the impression is given that if you uh if you double down on all this stuff focus

00:02:43.360 on it endlessly you know we are all freer in some way i think we're being um restricted yeah in

00:02:50.480 massive ways um and i mean i give this example in the madness of crowds that you know there are writers

00:02:58.560 in this generation who undoubtedly write worse than writers of a previous generation despite being in a

00:03:05.120 freer situation

00:03:13.120 zoobie is an independent rapper author life and fitness coach public speaker and host of real talk

00:03:18.320 with zoobie podcast he's the owner of the british women's deadlifting record as well you can find him

00:03:23.040 on twitter at zoobie music how are you sir i am blessed and highly favored as always very good now people

00:03:31.040 who may have not already been fans of you from your music probably heard of you like myself after

00:03:35.760 your record setting deadlift and i want to show a clip of you on joe rogan talking about it and get

00:03:41.520 really your reaction about how everybody responded to just this simple thing that you did online let's

00:03:46.560 take a look at that first well you know we live in a times where everyone's saying is right wing so

00:03:51.600 so it let it be so i don't know well if you're not as progressive as humanly possible you're all right

00:03:57.680 well yeah exactly pretty much i've seen all sorts of titles levied on to everybody including

00:04:04.560 including yourself so yeah it's interesting myself for people don't know uh zoobie won the world

00:04:11.920 championships in women's power lifting um you identified as a woman for a brief period of time

00:04:17.920 yeah nine seconds lift that's all you have to do yeah i mean this is the world we live in dude that

00:04:22.320 that thing blew the internet up but it's crazy insane how far it went man yeah i know i saw that people

00:04:28.000 there it is let's let's see where ps i identify as a woman whilst lifting the weight don't be a bigot

00:04:33.520 you know i think i think when you first talked about that i had like 40 000 followers it's now

00:04:38.960 well over a hundred and 115 and when i posted it i had 15 000 followers so zoobie when all that happened

00:04:45.440 and that clip blew up why do you think people responded so well to it why do you think so many people

00:04:50.560 shared it i mean it was such a simple thing it probably took five seconds of your workout or nine

00:04:55.200 seconds or however long it was why do you think that resonated with people so much because i said

00:05:01.840 what other people were thinking but i did it in a funny way and it was also a checkmate maneuver

00:05:07.680 because anyone who actually advocates for this policy or this ideology they either have to accept me

00:05:16.960 as the british women's deadlift record holder because they've been telling everyone for the past

00:05:22.400 five six years that a woman is anyone who identifies as such we've seen plenty of celebrities

00:05:27.040 coming out saying that they are men or they're women or they're non-binary and you're just supposed

00:05:32.400 to go along with it and in fact people get punished if they do not so i said okay well if those are the

00:05:36.800 rules i'm now a woman so either they have to deny the fact that i'm a woman which by their own rules is

00:05:45.120 transphobic or they have to accept me as the british women's deadlift and bench press record holder so

00:05:50.800 i think that it was a checkmate maneuver but i think also the fact that it was it was funny it had video

00:05:57.280 it was timely it was a hot topic that a lot of people are passionate about but very few people had kind of

00:06:04.320 done what i did right people are there trying to use logic and rationale to get people out of a

00:06:10.560 position that they haven't reached through logic and rationale and instead of you know getting angry

00:06:15.440 at it or getting mad at it or trying to explain all the biological differences between men and women

00:06:20.560 i just said oh cool okay those are the rules let's do it yeah it always sucks when you play by the rules

00:06:26.320 and it works out against them i wanted to ask you though in a bit more of a serious manner about the

00:06:30.960 complexity of the science behind uh transgender and the effects it can have especially in women's

00:06:36.880 sports obviously it's way more uh effective let's say in women's sports and in men's is it as simple

00:06:42.800 as what people discuss about like testosterone levels bone structure and density muscle uh reaction

00:06:49.200 times is it more than that or is that just people trying to deflect from from the reality of it how

00:06:54.480 simple is it is it as simple as the common sense would tell us it is as simple as the common sense

00:07:00.720 will tell you we all know and have known for millennia before people even knew what science was we've

00:07:07.360 always known that there are differences between males and females this is not even unique to the

00:07:11.120 human species look at the animal kingdom you can with many animals you can tell which ones are male

00:07:16.800 which ones are female um just just by looking at them with with some species you can't right you

00:07:22.480 know you'd have to look at their genitalia or whatever but in you know human beings males and

00:07:26.800 females are we're drastically different we all know how we got here right we're all we were all

00:07:31.840 birthed from women we were not birthed from men we know how uh sexual reproduction happens

00:07:38.800 yeah it's uh it's a weird one isn't it it's crazy how they're throwing women under the bus with all

00:07:42.400 of this that's the crazy part of it um so yeah i mean in terms of you know specific differences

00:07:48.560 between males and females of course men have vastly higher testosterone levels which is linked with

00:07:54.720 physical strength muscle strength and density um also aggression and then you've also got the

00:08:01.600 impacts that you so you get a couple big doses of testosterone in your life and the first one is

00:08:05.920 in the womb right that's what even makes males males and so as a result of that you have the androgenic

00:08:13.120 effects so you've got yes a bigger a bigger body taller stronger faster um more muscle density

00:08:23.600 and then you've got yeah uh larger larger hand sizes larger feet um quicker reaction times as you

00:08:30.480 mentioned greater lung capacity all sorts of things i mean there is that's why in every single sport

00:08:36.320 virtually every single sport you have men's and women's because if you didn't and it was just the

00:08:43.520 best of the best you won't have any female professional athletes at all right if you want

00:08:48.560 female athletes to be able to exist you have to separate the category out because the thousand

00:08:54.160 fastest people in the world are all men right probably the first the fastest 5000 people in the

00:08:59.120 world are probably all men um the strongest 5000 people in the world the strongest million people in

00:09:04.720 the world probably are all men um and that's just because we are biologically different everyone

00:09:10.240 knows this nobody was questioning it until five minutes ago and so um the the fact that and and of

00:09:17.520 course you know if someone does go through an actual transition and they do like hormone replacement

00:09:21.600 therapy etc then sure their testosterone levels will be uh lower uh if if a man you know transitions

00:09:31.360 into a trans woman then sure that the testosterone level will be lower but that doesn't change the

00:09:36.240 physical body um caitlin jenner is still what six foot three um and still has a particular build

00:09:46.080 which did which makes it clear that okay this this person is uh is not a is not a female so that's just

00:09:54.400 it's just reality it's just the reality of it and it's not something that um it amazes me that it's

00:10:00.400 something that's even a a debate and it's a debate that's been going on for this long when it's

00:10:04.720 so obvious and the the funny thing is as well is it's so clear because why is it only a one-way

00:10:12.400 thing right we're always talking women's sports women's sports why why aren't we talking about men's

00:10:16.000 sports right because because there's no woman who's going to transition into being a a man and start

00:10:23.760 beating biological men in their sports is not going to happen it's not going to happen it's only a

00:10:27.920 one-way thing so that in itself is super obvious evidence for people who really don't get it that

00:10:33.840 okay this is uh this this is not an equal playing field there clearly is a difference here otherwise

00:10:39.760 we wouldn't just be talking about protecting female sports you'd be talking about oh we need

00:10:43.920 to protect men's sports as well because there's all these women transitioning and you know crushing

00:10:47.840 people in the nfl in the nba but that's not happening it's not going to happen now the new zealand

00:10:53.680 uh olympic team is putting forth their first the first trans athlete in olympic history it's

00:10:59.680 dead lifting i think and i think the person also used to compete in the male events and didn't do

00:11:05.120 very well obviously didn't get into the olympics that way how do you think that's going to turn

00:11:08.880 out and i just want to preface that with the rules that i have written down here for um their testosterone

00:11:14.480 levels they have to be below 10 nanomoles per liter for at least 12 months before the first competition

00:11:20.160 end quote and what that makes me think is in mma you can't weigh in 12 months ahead of of your

00:11:27.040 flight there's 12 months is a long time for testosterone levels to get back up am i wrong

00:11:31.840 about that and how do you think that's actually no you're right work out for the olympics yeah you're

00:11:36.080 right um well it will depend on the proficient proficiency of this lifter um some simply someone

00:11:43.040 identifying as trans doesn't necessarily mean that they will be the strongest person um because you

00:11:49.200 said i don't know how they were performing when competing in the men's category um but if you

00:11:55.680 took a if you took someone who's winning in the men's category or who's or who's not even winning

00:11:59.680 who's doing well um and is you know just slightly behind the people who are winning and then that

00:12:05.280 kind of person would transition then of course they're gonna of course they're gonna dominate the

00:12:09.120 the whole competition especially when it comes to something like olympic lifting i mean

00:12:13.520 the biggest strength difference between males and females is in the upper body because that's where

00:12:17.360 your androgen receptors are so if you look at the bottom half of a body like you're not going to

00:12:21.200 see a huge size difference generally between men and women you know like in terms of legs and glutes

00:12:25.600 and all of that but if you look at the upper body look at chest shoulders i mean if you just see two

00:12:30.000 silhouettes you can actually tell a male and a female from the upper body silhouette so when it comes to

00:12:37.600 something like olympic lifting which includes the the snatch and the clean and jerk where you're literally

00:12:42.720 putting huge amounts of weight over your head then um yeah there's there's going to be an

00:12:48.800 there's going to be an advantage there so with this specific individual it's not necessarily

00:12:53.440 a given that they're going to win because it depends on how good they are at lifting and how good the

00:12:58.080 competition is um but they would clearly have an advantage um a significant advantage compared to

00:13:06.000 a woman who's biologically female and has been training her has been training her whole life um

00:13:12.640 so if this person ended up winning it wouldn't surprise me i think i think this individual was

00:13:16.960 supposed to compete in the previous one but i think i think they got injured so we'll we'll see what

00:13:22.880 happens we'll see what happens um it's all insanity to me but maybe the maybe the insanity needs to run

00:13:28.880 its course for people to to get the picture yeah maybe that's a good point i follow you on twitter and i

00:13:34.560 see a lot of the stuff you say about this stuff and generally see what you say when you have you

00:13:40.080 know silly comments about you being a transphobe or something for example are there any good

00:13:46.000 slash legitimate arguments that are brought to you about this or is this just another and you're shaking

00:13:52.560 your no zero zero there is no good arguments okay that's why that's why people rely on the name

00:13:59.280 calling because they don't have an argument it's a stupid argument it's it's not a you know it's me

00:14:05.440 arguing that you know looking outside and the sky is blue and i'm trying to convince people that it's

00:14:10.080 it's red i mean i can tell people i feel that way and that they're bigots if they don't also see it as

00:14:15.520 red and whatever but i i'm not making an argument you know it's just rely it's totally all about

00:14:22.400 feelings it's about feelings it's about some bizarre form of political correctness that has gone

00:14:27.840 way too far to the point of destruction but i've never in my life heard a good argument for i mean

00:14:33.200 these are the same people who can't actually define man or woman without using a circular definition

00:14:39.520 i mean with some of these people you literally say what is a man and they can't give you a straight

00:14:43.600 answer and they if you what is a woman right and they can't give you a straight answer and if you

00:14:47.200 can't answer that basic question then um yeah like you've got other issues florida and another state

00:14:54.400 that i can't remember off the top of my head are legislating and passed a bill in their house

00:14:58.560 that bans uh transgender uh i get confused a man who becomes a woman banded in their uh their scholastic

00:15:07.200 sports all the way through school do you think that's a good idea or would you rather see it be

00:15:11.760 culturally uh defeated both yeah both yeah if you get because this has actual repercussions on

00:15:20.160 girls and women um this is people like to talk about the patriarchy and misogyny this is like the

00:15:26.240 the real one this is the real one right both in terms of physical safety right if you're talking

00:15:31.520 about any sort of contact sport especially i mean we saw what happened with fallon fox and mma

00:15:36.560 literally cracking women's skulls etc um and that so there's a safety factor and a security there's also

00:15:45.280 the aspect of if you're looking at school level things like scholarships right girls losing out

00:15:50.080 to scholarships that are for girls and they're losing them to boys right that's that's insane

00:15:57.760 um that's a gigantic step backwards like any true like actual proper feminist or just any sane person

00:16:05.600 this should be they should be railing super duper hard against this and i know some of them are i know some

00:16:11.200 of them are but as far as i'm concerned this is like the the real neo misogyny that's going on here

00:16:18.160 um because as i said it's a it's a one-way thing it's a one-way thing right there aren't men

00:16:24.560 this is this isn't an issue for men and that in itself says it all because if it were truly equal

00:16:29.840 and there weren't these biological differences etc then this would be a two-way thing right you'd

00:16:33.840 have men protesting saying hey like this isn't fair for our sports etc but no why is it only women why

00:16:38.960 is it only girls that it's an issue for it's because biology is biology biology you know you

00:16:44.000 can read people can choose to reject reality but they still have to live in it reality still exists

00:16:50.800 so um and you know i also think it's a bigger issue because it's literally a war on reality

00:16:57.920 right i think the sports issue is just highlighting part of a much greater issue that's happening in

00:17:03.280 modern western society where is that where there is a war on reality and people are being punished

00:17:09.200 for telling the truth and anytime you have a society or culture where people are punished for

00:17:14.560 telling the truth i'm not even talking about opinions here all right just telling facts then you're in a

00:17:20.480 really bad situation a really really bad situation and if people can let this one slide then it's not

00:17:27.200 going to end you know it's not going to end it's going to keep going it's going to keep encroaching obviously

00:17:31.280 this stuff is being pushed towards children now it's being pushed in schools etc and people need

00:17:36.240 to understand that look you know even people who are consider themselves more liberal or more

00:17:40.720 progressive it's like you still got to have a line right you still have to have a line of okay we're

00:17:45.680 not we're not going to go that far right we we don't want to push things that far um and yeah i think

00:17:52.480 people are too hesitant to do that and um yeah but if people don't then it's going to lead to an even worse

00:18:00.080 situation luckily fallon fox was not that good talking about mma it was literally a skull fracture

00:18:06.240 i believe shout out to ashley evan smith for beating him her because uh fallon fox wasn't actually that

00:18:13.040 that good um but yeah it's really scary that um i think i don't have a daughter myself but i have lots

00:18:19.280 of nieces uh four of them to be exact and i would be frightened if they had to one day fight a man

00:18:26.480 fight a person who used to be a man or rugby for example i know one of our reporters has a daughter

00:18:31.360 who's in rugby and you might end up getting extremely hurt uh by a much bigger broader boned man but i

00:18:38.000 want to transition to um a little something a little different it's your music i want to show your latest

00:18:43.200 video a bit of it and i want to talk about sort of the evolution i've always had a lot of questions

00:18:47.920 about british hip-hop and rap and i think you're the person to answer it for me so let's go ahead and

00:18:52.320 play that clip justin please lord knows that i'm blessed and i make moves lord knows i confess lord

00:19:12.400 knows that i'm blessed and i make moves lord knows i confess what a mess look look lord knows that i'm

00:19:23.120 blessed and i make moves lord knows i confess devil hates me so the devil breaks free but he can't make

00:19:27.360 moves with a hole in his chest man what a mess gotta slay demons souls who possess gotta slay demons

00:19:32.960 souls nevertheless like dante nero wrote with the best this is no lie this is no test this is no trap

00:19:42.400 so go ahead and watch his music video guys um you've been rapping for at least 15 years from

00:20:05.120 what i can see and i have not paid hardcore attention to the british hip-hop scene but most

00:20:11.200 of my life i've gotten taste of it from like people like the streets and gigs and stuff like

00:20:15.280 that and it's moved on to the what people call grime with stormzy heady one i hope i'm impressing

00:20:21.200 you with this knowledge um and i've seen an evolution of where it sort of feels forced to

00:20:26.320 talking about drug dealing and violence and social justice stuff am i wrong to say that it seems like

00:20:31.680 it's been forced or pushed intentionally i don't know man it's always been there it's always been there

00:20:39.760 those themes in hip-hop music date back to the 70s and 80s with american hip-hop and i think hip-hop is

00:20:47.200 now a real global phenomenon it's a form of music that's popular in every country every country has

00:20:52.800 its own form of it and those type of themes are they're very prevalent um i think it goes beyond

00:20:59.520 hip-hop it goes to entertainment in general um you're always going to get the different sides of it

00:21:05.200 you're going to get the street and gangster side you're going to get the more sort of positive and

00:21:09.920 uplifting side you're going to get everything in the middle you'll get the lyrical stuff you'll get

00:21:13.440 those very un-lyrical stuff and different people like different things and i think the job of an

00:21:18.720 artist is to express yourself honestly um and so yeah there's different artists putting out different

00:21:26.320 messages ultimately as an artist i've always just accepted hey all i can do is control and and the only

00:21:33.120 on the only artist lyrics i'd even want to control are my own so i'll put out the message i want i'll

00:21:38.640 put out the lyrics i want and the music i want and that will resonate with certain people it won't

00:21:43.840 resonate with everybody some people won't like it some people do want that street stuff and that grimy

00:21:48.080 stuff and rapping about you know trapping and whatever it is but that's just like look this is me

00:21:54.000 this is me being authentic this is me being real and that's the music i personally choose to create

00:21:58.000 one of our resident uh videographers who's also a big rapper in canada brevner he's sort of explained

00:22:06.080 to me that he gets more resistance saying jesus loves you than he does talking about uh drugs or

00:22:13.280 women or anything like that do you face similar resistance for having more positive messages even if

00:22:18.320 it's not all the time even if it's sometimes is it a roadblock for you to not be conducive to certain

00:22:24.400 themes like we just discussed yeah it is to certain audiences um and perhaps even to certain aspects

00:22:33.200 of the music industry because the truth is that is for whatever reason um that that's a very deep

00:22:40.080 topic those are the messages that they want to push and also um it's also a demand and supply thing i

00:22:48.080 think i think a better question a lot of people ask me you know why do so many rappers

00:22:51.680 talk about violence or drugs or you know just uh sleeping with random women and money and whatever

00:22:58.480 and i think a much more interesting question is why do so many people like it why do so many people

00:23:03.280 buy it why do so many people dance to it in the club etc because ultimately if it's working you're

00:23:08.880 always going to get people who keep uh making it you know i don't think a question is why do people sell

00:23:14.960 drugs it's like you know what why do people do drugs right if some people are doing them and people are

00:23:18.800 demanding it then somebody is going to supply it so i think as artists it's it's a weird one you know

00:23:26.400 i think of course any human being any adult has some degree of responsibility and if you're a public

00:23:32.800 figure whether or not you want to be you are going to be a role model to certain people um but i think

00:23:38.560 it's sort of the the tip of the iceberg of a much deeper human cultural societal question when it

00:23:47.280 comes to the lyrics and themes and messaging that people enjoy in both rap music and also other forms

00:23:55.360 of entertainment you know why do we like violent movies why do we like gangster movies why do we like

00:24:00.240 this why do we like that i have my own theories on it um but i think it all plays on something much

00:24:06.720 deeper in the human psyche and in the culture yeah i'm more of the case that i want to know why

00:24:12.480 it's pushed if it's a fiscal reason i think i'm more okay with that but i'm okay with the themes in

00:24:18.720 movies and music and i think it was even 50 cent who said when people were asking him about uh a drug

00:24:24.960 use and gangbang in their songs not to mention they came from that him and g unit came from that but they

00:24:28.880 even said listen you're not supposed to go out and follow what i do this is entertainment just like a

00:24:33.520 movie so i fall a bit more on that side i do have a problem with it being purposely pushed on somebody

00:24:39.360 as like this is how it should be and i think it does have real effects um particularly in american

00:24:44.560 culture where it seems to be taken more literally there and i want to transition transition that to

00:24:50.160 a clip of you on lauren chen's podcast talking about the song wop of course a very uh beloved virtuous

00:24:57.920 and thought-provoking lyrics i thought you had an interesting i thought you had an interesting

00:25:02.640 answer to that so i want to show that clip from lauren chen's blaze podcast i think overall this

00:25:09.040 is something i say a lot is that human beings really seem to struggle with moderation yes right like yes

00:25:15.200 things go so i would argue certainly in the by in 2021 i would say that the west and the anglosphere

00:25:22.960 in particular has gone in terms of social in terms of social sort of beliefs and behaviors

00:25:31.200 has gone too liberal right and then also i grew up in a south in a country like saudi arabia um where

00:25:38.400 one could easily make an argument that things are too conservative in some other social aspects

00:25:44.960 and it seems like it's it's always been and it still is tricky to kind of get that balance where

00:25:52.480 you've got the balance between having standards and some things being better than others and being

00:25:59.920 allowed to say some things are better than others or better especially for children and what people

00:26:05.200 are seeing and in in the west there's this sort of like total over the last decade in particular it's

00:26:12.240 like literally anything goes now you talk about literally anything goes and i agree in the sense that

00:26:18.000 i feel like a lot of this stems from we can't be mean about that and a lot of the time i'm sorry to

00:26:22.800 say that it's women saying these things you can't call people fat fat acceptance you can't call people

00:26:27.920 weird you're being bigoted where do you think this mentality actually stems from where we can't seem

00:26:32.960 to find this middle ground oh we need to let it all happen we need to let everybody be themselves

00:26:38.160 nothing can be wrong or criticized where do you think that's coming from

00:26:41.120 hmm i think it largely stems from the absolution of personal responsibility and accountability and

00:26:51.680 then it's exacerbated by cowardice i think that's really what it is um a lot of people are really

00:27:00.080 controlled by fear fear so even though people know something to be correct or know something to be true

00:27:07.840 etc there's this climate where people are afraid to say it the majority of people are afraid to say

00:27:13.600 it because they don't want to be called a name basically right people don't want to be called a

00:27:19.680 name they don't want to be called racist sexist homophobic hateful science denier anti this anti

00:27:26.960 whatever right like people generally don't like being called names and don't like being insulted so

00:27:31.440 it's sort of it doesn't stem from that but that maintains it that upholds it it's not dissimilar to

00:27:38.960 what we were saying about the whole women's sports issue right like everybody everybody knows i think

00:27:43.600 even most of the people pushing it i don't even think they believe themselves they don't right they

00:27:48.240 don't believe themselves but they're so cowardly and so possessed by this ideology that they've

00:27:56.560 they're they're just running with it they're just running with it to try to so hard to prove like

00:28:01.200 the worst thing you can do to someone like that is call them a transphobe right like that's the

00:28:04.960 oh my gosh like that's that's it that's over for them so that's the same weapon that they use

00:28:09.920 against other people just to get people in line but like i said it stems from lack of personal

00:28:14.880 responsibility um and i've noticed that anyone who pushes personal responsibility in the public sphere

00:28:20.640 will get attacked and will get demonized they will get praised and celebrated by the people who

00:28:24.320 appreciate that but they will also get demonized because you're in the modern west right now it's

00:28:32.800 a greater societal sin to be seen as judgmental than the actual negative act which you are judging

00:28:42.560 right so if someone does if there's something that is objectively bad people will make it out like

00:28:48.320 it's worse for you to say it's bad than that action itself actually is and that's a really

00:28:54.480 backwards way for things to be and then in terms of deeper reasons i think there are a lot of

00:28:59.680 to quote gad said um ideological pathogens as he calls them which have sort of permeated through

00:29:05.360 society over the last several decades from various aspects of post-modernism now you've got critical

00:29:13.040 race theory and what people call wokeness um gender ideology some aspects of you know third or fourth

00:29:20.720 wave feminism you've just got all these various ideas floating around out there being pushed in

00:29:25.760 academia being pushed on children being pushed heavily at universities and now also being pushed

00:29:30.560 by corporations and institutions and so there's just a lot of crappy ideas floating around out there

00:29:36.400 in the ether and people are too cowardly to challenge them even though the vast majority of people

00:29:41.200 actually regardless of political orientation majority of people don't support a lot of these

00:29:45.840 ideas like most people don't uh like these divisive narratives most people understand that

00:29:52.400 they're you know a family unit is a good thing and that uh marriage is actually a good thing and it's

00:29:58.320 better for a child to have two parents than to have one or everybody knows that um but some people

00:30:03.120 will act like they don't know it because they're so cowardly and they're so worried about being called a

00:30:07.520 name that they don't want to just say what is a fact and everything is being deemed as some personal

00:30:12.240 attack people are just too emotionally fragile man people are too emotionally fragile these days and

00:30:17.120 instead of trying to make people stronger or more resilient for the past 15 years we've just been

00:30:22.720 trying to nerf the entire world right nerf nerf nerf the language nerf facts nerf the range of opinions

00:30:30.160 that are allowed to be said um you know make this safe make everything's oh that made me feel unsafe oh

00:30:35.440 that's hurtful that made me feel unsafe and it's like look generally you don't want to go out of

00:30:39.120 your way to offend people for no reason but if someone is merely offended by a fact or merely

00:30:44.560 offended by the truth then that's their own issue to deal with right as an adult you should be able

00:30:51.280 to hear things that you're like i don't really i don't really like that or that makes me feel a bit

00:30:55.840 uncomfortable but if it's true then you know even if it's an opinion you should still be able to hear

00:31:01.280 it you may not agree but you should be able to hear it without breaking down and curling up into a

00:31:06.240 ball in the fetal position on the ground and crying you know um very specific we're supposed to be

00:31:11.520 adults yeah yeah we're we're guilty of that i'm sure both you and i um i wrote down a note of the book

00:31:18.240 called calling the calling of the american mind and it because it mentions um how everything the the

00:31:24.160 bad arguments and i thought of this because of uh and you mentioned gad said how everything's either

00:31:28.320 good and evil either you're a transphobe or you're fat phobe and then another thing that

00:31:33.040 they say in there is always trusting your feelings is being a bad thing and you mentioned the wokeness

00:31:37.440 and i feel like that's the defense for a lot of this stuff oh i need to have an identity i need to be

00:31:42.880 i'm a plus size model and i know i keep going back to that because it's one of the most ridiculous

00:31:47.120 things uh i'm a black queer native trans woman all this sort of stuff do you see an end to

00:31:53.280 intersectionality being used as a as an argument in the near future because to me it's becoming more and more

00:31:58.240 clear and especially with caitlin jenner now running as a republican it's becoming more clear

00:32:03.040 to people that no one group of group agrees to the same thing exclusively do you see an end to

00:32:07.840 intersectionality coming as an excuse or an argument it depends on the people man it really it depends

00:32:14.240 on people people have let it get this far and it's going to keep going unless people stand up against it

00:32:21.040 right people ask oh how did we get here how's it gotten this far and i'm like because you let it

00:32:24.800 because you let it like if everyone was if everyone was like me this would this would have

00:32:28.480 been nipped in the bud real quick um but but like people are not willing to put their head above the

00:32:34.400 parapet and to say what everyone else is thinking but not saying there's a few people who do it of

00:32:39.280 course and some people have created a essentially a career out of it right i would honestly say at this

00:32:43.920 point that i know some of my success and popularity is because people sort of look to me as a guy who's

00:32:49.280 like okay zoobie's gonna keep it real like maybe everyone else is lying everyone else is playing the game

00:32:53.600 but he's at least going to be honest with it right not in a harsh way not trying to just be mean to

00:32:58.240 people for no reason but hey this is the situation so it really depends on the people because those

00:33:04.560 who are pushing it people who are pushing critical race theory in schools people who are pushing

00:33:08.160 gender ideology who are trying to tell five-year-olds that you know they could be non-binary or they

00:33:12.240 could be in the wrong body what these people are dedicated all right and and people should that

00:33:16.400 should not be underestimated just how they're not numerous but they're very loud and they're very

00:33:21.520 dedicated and they are and they have infiltrated every single institution that exists so unless

00:33:27.600 people stand up to that unless parents stand up and go you know what i don't want my child learning

00:33:35.680 being taught by their school teachers that they are inherently privileged and oppressive or inherently

00:33:42.880 disadvantaged and oppressed because of their skin color like that's a bad idea i don't want my kids

00:33:50.480 going to a university and they have racially segregated dorms and events no no we don't

00:33:56.720 we don't want that we're going to defund that right stop trying to defund the police let's defund

00:34:01.120 defund that right hit them hit them where it hurts hit them in the pocket stand up take a stand and this

00:34:06.160 stuff will end quickly because the people pushing it are also cowards they're cowards right but people are

00:34:11.120 afraid of them and i don't know who's more cowardly in that situation there um but people need to stand up

00:34:17.760 on mass you know because if one person does it then it's easy to target one person and you know

00:34:22.000 you can cancel one person but if you you if you put the voices together and you just have like okay

00:34:29.520 70 of the parents at the school are you know even half of them are just like you know what no like

00:34:34.960 we're when we're we're going to withdraw our children from the school if you're going to be

00:34:38.480 pushing critical race theory if you're going to be pushing uh transgender ideology on six-year-olds no

00:34:44.320 we're not having that that's all it takes that's what it takes same thing at corporations if they're

00:34:48.720 dragging you into meetings and they're trying to teach you about your your whiteness and how you

00:34:53.440 need to abolish it happens a lot here like but this is a real thing right i talk to people right and

00:35:00.560 you're just like dude have some balls right like stand up against that you're a grown man you're a grown

00:35:07.360 woman and you're letting people browbeat you letting one individual sit there and lecture you

00:35:12.880 about how you're evil because you're white like grow some nuts man like how are you going to let

00:35:17.680 that happen like i'm not going to sit there and i'm not i'm not going to sit in some meeting and

00:35:20.960 have someone tell me i'm oppressed because i'm black and i'm disadvantaged and i'm basically i'll

00:35:24.880 tell them where to stick it like i will not tolerate that right like that is legitimate racism

00:35:32.800 right people are throwing these words around like that is actual racism if you are making feel people feel

00:35:37.360 um guilty or uh you're you're discriminating against people or you're uh accusing people of

00:35:44.720 things literally because of dint of their birth then i mean we've learned these lessons man you

00:35:50.080 know like history is replete with examples of this we can look around the globe look in history and it's

00:35:53.840 like this doesn't this doesn't go well when you start splitting up society like that and creating

00:35:58.240 animosity between groups and stuff like that it's not good we we beat that we got over i agree yeah

00:36:04.160 it felt like we like it felt like we beat it a long time ago and then it felt like it just sort

00:36:09.360 of creeped up in the form of this weird wussy version of communism where like it's all the

00:36:16.320 one girl with blue hair said something and the guy that's in love with her says you know what i agree

00:36:20.400 because i want to go out with you and and we're finally starting to see a lot of them uh not a lot but

00:36:25.920 there's a i think about 10 examples probably in the u.s now of parents saying we don't want this anymore

00:36:31.760 there's the the lady with the face shield bless her and then there's a lot more other parents

00:36:36.080 and viral videos that are doing that and i think you're right about organization and how just a few

00:36:41.200 people getting together can counteract all this stuff because the one thing that the extreme left

00:36:47.600 has on people and i'm sure it's other people too but i look at them as a particular people who are

00:36:52.480 pushing things that i don't like um you've got aoc on these hidden videos where she's disseminating

00:36:58.160 her messages to her constituents and whatever that group is called where they indoctrinated

00:37:04.080 the teenagers into being activists and they're disseminating gets disseminating it out saying

00:37:10.000 blowing up buildings and setting them on fires in a valid form of protest so there's all this stuff

00:37:14.720 where they're disseminating messaging and the only thing counteracting that really is like groups like

00:37:19.520 turning point usa or or prager u and stuff like that and you may not agree with them but they're still

00:37:24.720 trying i think for better or for worse and before we get to more critical race theory which i do want

00:37:30.640 to talk to you a bit more about i want to talk about your book and how you got into uh basically

00:37:36.240 wanting to teach people about fitness and working out and everything there's your book title um this is

00:37:41.440 basically the same picture as my facebook profile um complete with the tan and everything

00:37:47.760 where'd you think i got it from i i don't even have facebook for those of you checking

00:37:52.720 what got you into fitness and why did you decide to write a book about it or were you just a guy who

00:37:57.120 was like i work out a lot and and i have people ask me questions about it uh yeah so i mean initially

00:38:03.840 i got into fitness i started lifting when i was 15. um i was playing rugby so i actually initially

00:38:10.160 started lifting number one because i was a bit of a fat kid and number two because i was playing rugby and

00:38:15.520 it's better be the person who is uh you know dishing it out rather than the person who's on the

00:38:21.040 receiving end of it so you want to be physically strong and powerful so that's how i initially

00:38:25.120 got into training so i mean i've been working out for for a very long time and then in terms of me

00:38:31.360 writing the book yeah i was getting i've always had a lot of people asking me both online and offline

00:38:38.640 about hey zoobie what's the best way to build muscle lose weight what's best workout for this or that

00:38:43.760 and so i just thought hey let me create something that will help people rather than answering this

00:38:48.800 individually every single time let me just make a make a book um write it put all the knowledge i

00:38:55.120 wish i had when i first started working out take all the most important things i've condensed over

00:38:59.840 this 17 year period or whatever it is and let me put that out there initially it started out as just

00:39:05.920 an ebook and it was selling very well and then people wanted an audio book and then people started

00:39:12.240 wanting paperback copies so i mean i've now sold almost 5 000 copies of that book it's been bought by

00:39:16.560 people in over 60 different countries and it's helped a lot of people and it's also just it's

00:39:22.240 a major issue right a lot of people say oh well there's so many fitness books out there and i'm

00:39:25.760 like yeah well half the population is still overweight or obese so i think more than more than half i think

00:39:31.680 i'm being quite uh conservative there so something isn't working and you know the truth is every every

00:39:40.160 book movie piece of music has you know there aren't brand new ideas out there really but as a messenger

00:39:48.320 you can lay out your message in a particular way that resonates with certain people i've had people

00:39:55.280 message me saying hey man i've read like 10 or 15 different fitness books and yours is the one where

00:40:00.400 it just clicked for me right it's simple it's concise i'm not trying to overload and overwhelm people with

00:40:05.760 all these technical terms and tons of data and science and all of that it's just like a very

00:40:10.720 practical guide you can just read it and be like okay i know what to do to reach my goal these are

00:40:15.200 this is what i need to hit this is what i need to eat this is the kind of training i should do so

00:40:19.360 that's why i wrote it really just to help people out and i'm glad it's been doing that i noticed you

00:40:24.400 tweeting i think this week within the last couple of days um a correlation between the type of people who

00:40:30.640 don't work out and the type of people that do have you legitimately found a correlation do you think

00:40:36.800 of people who you know never have any type of exercise maybe as a matter of of on purpose uh yes

00:40:45.520 i have absolutely um because because people who train hard in any discipline um obviously with me i'm

00:40:55.600 big on strength training lifting weights resistance training but it's all about personal

00:41:00.880 responsibility and accountability and discipline and hard work and perseverance so if you apply that

00:41:07.920 in that area it spills over into other aspects of your life right there's no there's no socialism

00:41:15.280 there's no jacked socialism right it's not like oh i work out and my muscles get taxed and they go to

00:41:22.240 somebody else and they get some of my gains it's just like no it's totally individual 100 level

00:41:28.400 playing field the weights weigh the same thing every time you go into the gym etc and there's no

00:41:33.200 you know that that's what it is there's not even a team it's just you versus the weights so i think that

00:41:39.280 mentality does tend to lead people it filters out into other aspects of their life into their careers

00:41:46.480 into some of their socio-political beliefs etc i mean that can even be that can even be measured that

00:41:50.960 could even be studied and yeah it's uh you know obviously when i say things like that i'm being

00:41:57.040 slightly tongue-in-cheek but there's there's also truth to it like you're not going to see a lot of um

00:42:02.080 i don't i don't i don't have never seen a jacked socialist um i'm not even i'm not even saying that

00:42:06.560 to like to be mean i'm just being like that's a thing right i've never seen they they tend to have

00:42:11.680 a particular physique right and they're not someone who you know they'll be talking trash on twitter all day

00:42:19.200 but you're looking at these people and i'm like okay none of you none of you lift right and i don't

00:42:23.840 think that's i think they're lifting spirits you'll be okay they're not lifting anything um so so yeah

00:42:32.080 so i i say it in that sense but there's there's also there's also a truth to it um so yeah it's uh

00:42:39.440 it's one it's one of those ones why i think that maybe that's why that resonated a little it is what it

00:42:44.160 is you might even say um the last thing i want to ask you about is critical race theory and where

00:42:49.200 it came from and where its goal where it's going and what its goals are and recently the black one

00:42:55.520 of the black lives matter founders she's ducking out um she's retiring i believe after getting her

00:43:00.720 four homes and uh i think a deal with warner brothers a time warner maybe a book deal a pop probably a movie

00:43:09.360 deal of how hard her life has been as a black lesbian marxist i guess um what do you think are

00:43:16.320 the main proponents of critical race theory why are people actually trying to if you were to put

00:43:21.680 yourself in their shoes what is the goal here to push critical race theory is it actually equality

00:43:28.400 no of course not of course not um so i think you kind of have two categories i think you have the

00:43:33.840 people at the top of the pyramid who know what they're doing and they have malicious and selfish

00:43:39.360 intention and then you have the useful idiots right who go along with it because they've been

00:43:46.000 told it's anti-racist right and that that's the majority of people that's the everyday person who's

00:43:50.720 there like oh well it's called anti-racism so it must be good oh it's called anti-fascism so it must

00:43:54.800 be good it's called black lives matter so it must be good right there's a lot of people who are not

00:43:59.040 very critical thing critical thinking and so they'll just go along with everything like that

00:44:03.440 as long as it has a nice sounding name but the people for the people who are more at the top i

00:44:08.160 think um like many things i think it comes down to money and power right these are people who already

00:44:14.880 view the entire world as simply uh power dynamic game all right they're they're all the ones always

00:44:21.120 talking about power and privilege they think everything is power and privilege so i think it is a way for

00:44:25.440 them to gain more power and control over other people over the population over people's children

00:44:32.000 over everything they set the narrative they set the rules they're the ones who get to call everyone

00:44:35.840 racist and white supremacist as soon as they step out of line or challenge their ideas etc they're the

00:44:40.640 ones who will get to de-platform people so on and so forth and then also it's lucrative you know

00:44:45.840 the racism industry in the u.s is a multi-billion dollar industry right race grifting is a multi-billion

00:44:50.640 dollar industry especially in the usa like people love it there i mean racism has been on life

00:44:54.880 support for a long time but they just keep they got to keep it alive right how can you how can you

00:44:59.840 be a professional anti-racist without racism or at least the illusion of racism right you've got

00:45:05.200 nothing to fight against and i think this so they have to manufacture it right how many fake hate crimes

00:45:11.680 have have there been where it just it's a total hoax right it seems every other week some thing comes

00:45:17.120 out and it's like there's probably another hoax boom it's a hoax right and so you know the race the

00:45:22.960 demand for racism is higher than the supply that's just the reality of it in the uk in the usa in

00:45:28.960 most western countries yeah sure there is still racism of course um but the only type that's i mean

00:45:36.560 let's be real the only type that's really accepted is racism against white people which people will then

00:45:41.920 say oh that doesn't even exist right like that's then that's the power of this ideology is they've even

00:45:47.920 redefined the word racism so that they can uh they can be racist and then deny that they are because

00:45:55.920 then they'll they'll play these word games and say oh no like you know i'm a marginalized minority so i

00:46:00.960 can't be racist i can say all these terrible things about white men or whatever it is and i get off scot

00:46:05.760 free whereas you know damn well if you were to say that against about any other group you know you're

00:46:11.040 gonna get deplatformed people are gonna come for you as they rightly should so look i'm very much um

00:46:17.440 i'm very much an equalist right i'm a true equalist and we're in this weird period where being

00:46:25.600 truly for equality in the true meaning is which should be a liberal position is essentially a

00:46:34.720 conservative or right-wing position now like just saying look like no matter your race gender

00:46:40.640 ethnicity uh you know skin color sexuality whatever everyone should be treated fairly equally

00:46:47.360 under the law in society etc not that doesn't mean you you get special privileges it doesn't mean like

00:46:53.760 the bar is lowered for you or it's raised for you or whatever it means true equality meritocracy

00:46:59.680 equality of opportunity not outcome um and that's now this you know so-called so-called uh right-wing or

00:47:08.000 conservative position which is which is very bizarre and you have people who are not everybody like you

00:47:13.600 know who leans left but you've got a significant number who are now pushing there they pushed the

00:47:19.440 equality was achieved and now they've just got they've gone past right it's a bit like you know

00:47:24.560 the old game in pac-man you know if you go all the way to one side of the screen and you come out on the

00:47:27.680 other like they've sort of just re-emerged with this uh new form of neo-racism which they call anti-racism

00:47:35.280 which is a nice little uh linguistic trick there and now you've got critical race theory and you've

00:47:41.200 got all these strange ideologies which are being pushed again which if you were to simply invert

00:47:46.000 them you know swap the words black and white around you know they they would sound like white supremacists

00:47:50.240 that's that's the reality of it right what they are pushing is racial essentialism you know the most

00:47:55.520 important thing about a person is their race right which is what people did think back in 1920

00:48:01.040 but it's 2021 now and it's like oh can we can we not go back to that like can we can we just not do

00:48:07.600 that you know like people are generally getting on and the vast majority people get on with you know

00:48:13.520 they don't care about all this they know the content of character is what matters um but because

00:48:19.840 of the money motivation and because of the power and the control motivation i think you have bad actors

00:48:26.000 who are pushing this at the top and they're making a lot of money from it they're getting a lot of um

00:48:31.040 clout for it they're getting all these opportunities they're doing you know charging 20 grand to speak

00:48:35.760 at universities they're selling books they're doing podcasts they're making a lot of profit from it you

00:48:41.280 know so actually the worst thing that could happen for them is for racism or the illusion of it to be

00:48:48.320 totally gone because they don't offer anything of value to the world not really and that's what

00:48:53.600 they've created their whole foundation on so they they just have to keep they have to keep going

00:48:57.840 sounds to me like your big tarik nasheed fan is that's what that's what i'm getting yeah

00:49:05.120 all right zuby i think we're out of time at zuby music on twitter and of course zuby on youtube

00:49:10.720 uh what's your instagram is it also zuby make sure we get zuby music that's zuby music on everything

00:49:16.800 all right z-u-b-y music very good all right i appreciate you coming on i've been wanting to talk

00:49:21.680 to you for quite some time i appreciate you do you want to give any last words to a canadian audience who

00:49:26.560 wants to hear from the motherland um you guys need to keep fighting it looks like certain parts

00:49:34.320 of canada are in crazy mode i thought the uk was bad but the canada canada is even worse so like i've

00:49:40.640 been saying man you know have courage stand up uh and stand up for what is right and uh yeah sort out

00:49:48.560 your your government is i don't know what your government is doing to you but if they're abusing you

00:49:52.000 then you need to take a stand thanks for watching another episode of andrew says if you want

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Rebel News Podcast - June 11, 2021

Zuby Should Not Compete Against Women

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