Jimmy Dore is hosting an independent presidential debate, hosted by Christina Tobin, the founder of the Free and Equal Elections Foundation, to be held in February 2020. In this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand, host Russell Brand talks to Jimmy Dore about his plans for the debate, how it's going to work, who he s going to ask the questions, and why he thinks it s a good idea. Plus, we talk to Christina about what she s looking forward to in the debate and why she wants to have an independent one in 2020. Stay Free with Russell Brand is on all of the social medias, if you search for Stay Free, you'll find us. If you like what you hear here, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and other podcasting platforms. We re listening to your favourite podcasters! Subscribe, Like, Share and Subscribe to stay free on your favourite podcasting platform! You can also join our bi-monthly presidential debate discussion group, The Democratic Debates, and join the conversation by using the hashtag on social media and tag to be part of the conversation and send us your questions, comments and thoughts on the topic and we'll get a shoutout on the next episode! Thank you for listening and supporting the show! Timestamps: 4:00 - Who do you want to be in a debate? 5:30 - What's your favourite presidential debate debate debate candidate? 6:15 - What do you would like to see in 2020? 7:00 8:00 | Who should be the next one? 9: What would you like to debate next year? 11:50 - What are you would you vote for next? 13:40 - Who would you have the most authentic presidential debate in the next presidential debate you'd like to vote for? 14:30 15:40 16:20 - How do you think I m looking for a real democratic debate in 2020 or a real presidential debate? / 15:30 | What s your idea of a debate that s a real democracy? 17: Is it a sham? 18:15 | What do I want to see me vote for the best presidential debate next election? 19:40 | What are my name? 21:20 22:20 | Is there a real debate I d like to have a debate between the other candidates?
00:00:37.000So we're going to ask him about that, how it's going to work, how he's going to handle it, as well as asking him regular Jimmy Dore stuff.
00:00:42.000Plus we'll talk to Christina Tobin because she's sorted it all out and stuff.
00:00:45.000Please join me in welcoming, in whatever way you want, maybe you can just simply blow out your cheeks, you can pull out your ears, you can slap your own thighs wherever you are in this sweet world of ours, and welcome Jimmy Daw.
00:02:02.000I know Joe Biden won't debate anybody because, you know, he's demented.
00:02:05.000But I hope it will be people like Jill Stein, Cornel West, Bobby Kennedy.
00:02:11.000And that would be really an amazing thing to happen.
00:02:14.000And so that's what I'm looking forward to.
00:02:16.000And you know, in the United States, we used to have real presidential debates when they were run by a group called the League of Women Voters.
00:02:24.000And then, of course, both corporate parties in America didn't like that they were being asked real questions and they were being exposed to the American people for the frauds that they are.
00:02:34.000So they got rid of that, those kind of debates, and they developed their own private company that's funded by corporations that now runs the presidential debates.
00:02:42.000It's called the Committee for Presidential Debates, the CPD.
00:03:27.000And just like Vivek said the other night, why are you having these tools of corporate America up here do this circus and ask these stupid questions and control the debate is what they're actually doing, control the narrative.
00:03:39.000He said, why not have somebody like Tucker Carlson or Joe Rogan?
00:04:09.000I've already learned that the debates themselves have been corporatised and what's presented as an open debate, an opportunity for us to assess presidential candidates, is part of the very system that makes the whole charade redundant.
00:04:22.000Christina, can you tell us, was it the spirit of the earlier debates that's inspired you?
00:04:28.000How are you going to make it work technically?
00:04:31.000And what led you to select Jimmy Dore there, the outspoken, I'd call him trans-political, progressive yet traditional, populist everyman, comic hero to host it.
00:05:24.000at that event, Rage Against the War Machine.
00:05:26.000He's hard-hitting, he's not beholden to special interest money, and he's funny.
00:05:31.000So you are too, Russell, and it's just like such an honor to be sitting here between two very accountable individuals that speak their truth, aren't beholden to the special interests like the Mainstream Commission on Presidential Debates, which is really crumbling, an expired platform that is run by big money, and it was stolen by the League of Women Voters in the late 70s, who originally created the debate.
00:05:54.000The CPD has perpetuated a fraud in American voters.
00:05:57.000The League of Women Voters has stated that.
00:06:17.000I would love for Joe Rogan, for the people out there, Please reach out to Joe Rogan and ask him to join Jimmy and I at this debate for the people this winter in Los Angeles at XR Studios.
00:06:29.000I think it sounds like an extremely exciting event and Jimmy I think if Vivek had said one more name it would have been yours so don't Don't carry that burden.
00:06:39.000How do you think that Biden's approach to financing multiple wars has influenced the polls?
00:06:45.000How do you think the sort of recent military developments in the Middle East have further prohibited free speech around that subject?
00:06:58.000You know, it was interesting to me, Russell, that as soon as a left-right coalition was obvious in the United States coming to stop the funding of the war in Ukraine, all of a sudden another war happened and they shifted their attention.
00:07:10.000And so they're going to get their... It's ongoing wars.
00:07:13.000As Julian Assange taught us, that these wars aren't meant to be won, these wars are meant to be ongoing.
00:07:18.000And I think people are starting to wake up to that.
00:07:20.000And what I like to do is hold people accountable.
00:07:55.000He told the truth about the funding in Ukraine.
00:07:56.000He told the truth about the proxy war in Russia.
00:07:59.000And so, I think it's our job in the independent media to hold people to those, to what they say and to those ideals.
00:08:06.000And so, people are tired of these ongoing wars.
00:08:10.000People in the, you know, what I like to say is that they sent a hundred billion dollars To Ukraine, which is the most corrupt country in Europe.
00:08:17.000They sent it there without any oversight.
00:08:19.000I'm talking about the United States government and without any debate in the United States.
00:08:23.000If you wanted to give $10 billion to the people in America, which would pay for community college for everybody, that would take a decade or two of debate.
00:08:32.000You'd have to have op-eds in every New York Times and the Washington Post.
00:08:35.000Anderson Cooper would have to interview regular people.
00:08:39.000But for $100 billion, to the most corrupt country in Europe without any oversight, it happened in the blink of an eye, and that's how you know it's all corruption.
00:08:47.000For $100 billion, if we could have spent that money in the United States, they say you could end homelessness in the United States for $20 billion.
00:08:56.000So for $100 billion, we could have ended homelessness, then started it again, and then said we were just kidding, and then ended it again.
00:09:03.000And for $100 billion, Russell, don't you think they could have put some money in there for a dog that would lead Joe Biden offstage when he's done giving his speech?
00:09:11.000It would seem to be a reasonable investment to get some sort of intelligent canine to help him get off the stage and maybe some sort of, I don't know, bird to help him with t-shirts as well, which he seems to struggle with equally.
00:09:24.000This kind of packaging together of numerous wars, this inability to discuss them, the constant use of pundits on legacy media to advocate for war without declaring their interests and connections, Two military industrial complex companies means that the typical type of discourse is bounded and parametered within very, very narrow lines.
00:09:46.000Indeed, Christina, how do you feel that some of the candidates that are favoured will respond to being asked questions that are a little more perhaps aggressive coming as they will from Jimmy Dore there, who we know don't hold back.
00:10:02.000Are you concerned that they may not participate?
00:10:04.000I mean, we've already kind of ruled out Biden.
00:10:17.000The blockchain app powered by Nexus.io launches in January and so you can go on our website freeandequal.org and you can register today for more updates on that app as well as submit a question because we really want to hear from the people.
00:10:36.000We see a big pushback on even on the ballot access side across the board to keep Trump and even Kennedy, I foresee, off the ballot.
00:10:44.000And so these gentlemen and many others are going to need an independent platform to be heard.
00:10:49.000And what separates our debates from the others is that or from the commission on presidential debates is that we use the The League of Women Voters cumulative format.
00:10:58.000So our debates really engaged more of a conversation, a two-minute opening question, two-minute closing.
00:11:04.000Each candidate, there's be about five questions or so, has two minutes to respond to each question in order.
00:11:10.000And they have a certain amount of rebuttals or expansions on questions.
00:11:12.000So we're here as moderators to listen to the candidates and to learn from them and let the people decide.
00:11:19.000I think it's possible that anyone can show up at our debates because There's not really many other options right now.
00:11:24.000We're seeing debate platforms, the few that we have, that are very argumentative, where the candidates are really taking over the debates.
00:11:35.000This is the debate Vivek and many other candidates are asking for, and we look forward when the people vote them in.
00:11:41.000I hope, whether it's Bobby, Marianne, Cornel West, Jill Stein, and many more of Vivek, Nikki, whoever it is, they should be there for the people, and we welcome their equally.
00:11:50.000Independent media has already changed politics.
00:11:54.000Perhaps it was immediately observable with Trump and Trump's ability to communicate and bypass the legacy media who didn't give him a chance and wouldn't have given him a chance.
00:12:03.000The rise of candidates like Vivek Ramaswamy is a further example of how independent media can be used to showcase and house new political voices and of course Bobby Kennedy and the way that he's used various podcasts and streamers including us that shows you that independent media is altering the political landscape so a debate like this in a sense is a necessary and natural progression and I think it'll be not easy but I can see how a climate will emerge that if people don't participate in this debate they'll be seen as cowardly
00:12:34.000Ducking out, avoiding the democracy and the electorate in the ways that they claim not to.
00:12:44.000They want to seem like they're participating in this process.
00:12:47.000Jimmy, how do you feel like independent media has created a new environment for politicians and has created a new class of politicians?
00:12:55.000Do you think we're at the beginning of this and you'll see new people emerge?
00:12:58.000And I know it's something I ask you every time I speak to you.
00:13:00.000Could you see yourself being on the other side of that?
00:13:02.000Not behind the pulpit, asking the questions and moderating, but standing for some kind of candidacy.
00:13:08.000Now save the narcissistic bit for the end, Jimmy.
00:13:13.000Well, to answer your last question first, yes, I was interested in doing that because I think that there needs to be a voice that's not bought by corporations.
00:14:17.000And independent media has, you know, Bobby Kennedy's almost his entire campaign has been
00:14:21.000fueled by independent media right now, right?
00:14:24.000So he's making the round on podcasts and he's getting his message out there.
00:14:28.000And while he just went on PBS the other day, I can't believe they invited him on PBS because
00:14:33.000I think they wanted to slander him, which they did.
00:14:35.000I just dropped a video yesterday about it, and of course, Bobby Kennedy's good at that now, and he knows he can seize those smears coming, and he was able to push back on that right away.
00:14:43.000So, I think independent media is essential, and it is changing the landscape, and that's why they have to have such narrative control, right?
00:14:51.000And that's why they have to try to discredit people like you and try to discredit people like me and Joe Rogan is because the corporations, all they have is narrative control.
00:16:14.000So when it started to really work, it's when they have to start suppressing us, having the algorithm get us also suppressed, and also discrediting us.
00:16:23.000That's exactly... Look what they did to Joe Rogan.
00:16:25.000Joe Rogan, he endorsed Bernie Sanders.
00:16:28.000He said he would vote for somebody like AOC, and they call him a right-wing crazy.
00:16:49.000So that always used to be considered staunch lefty positions, and now they slander you and say that you're a right-winger for pushing those things that have been lefty positions my whole life.
00:16:59.000And people have coalesced around those issues, by the way.
00:17:02.000Almost everybody is for a version of everything I just said.
00:17:08.000So, depending on the poll and depending on how you ask the questions, somewhere around 70% of even conservative voters want the government to take a bigger role in taking care of healthcare here in the United States.
00:17:19.000We're the last country in the West that doesn't have healthcare for everybody.
00:17:25.000Yeah, I'm excited about independent media.
00:17:27.000I'm super excited about Rumble, and Rumble is really taking off.
00:17:31.000And Rumble's actually going to be getting their version of advertising, which is what makes YouTube lucrative for people and makes it sustainable for people to do shows like this.
00:17:42.000So now Rumble's actually going to be able to be doing that going forward, I've been told, by people in the know.
00:17:47.000So I'm really excited about it, and thank God for Rumble.
00:17:50.000Yeah, they're broadcasting the presidential debate.
00:17:53.000Yeah, so thanks Rumble so much for supporting this debate.
00:17:56.000Yeah, they've already agreed to broadcast the presidential debate that we're going to be hosting, so thank God for Rumble.
00:18:03.000We will thank our Lord God for Rumble.
00:18:06.000I thank God for Rumble most days, man.
00:18:09.000And it's exciting that this is going to be on Rumble and it's going to be funded by people.
00:18:15.000Funded, you say, through blockchain technologies to ensure, I suppose, that there will be no topics That are off limits.
00:18:23.000Now, we've talked a lot about the pandemic, and we've talked about what's been revealed by the pandemic, the convergence of pharmaceutical interests, the corruption, the ineffective measures that have been undertaken, the inability to communicate openly around them, the censorship.
00:18:37.000Do you feel, Christina, that this is one of the subjects that will be covered?
00:18:42.000And how much are you planning to curate and control the content or Are you saying that all of it will be directed by the people that are funding it, which means, you know, the people that can contribute through blockchain?
00:18:56.000We plan to ask the people to do a poll through our blockchain app, not only to vote in the top six candidates, but what questions.
00:19:03.000And that's why we're asking them to submit questions today and sign up for more information for the blockchain app at freeandequal.org.
00:19:11.000So the people will decide a couple of the questions, I think at least two of the five, and then the moderators Jimmy Dore here, and hopefully Joe Rogan.
00:19:20.000Please reach out and ask him to be a part of this debate.
00:19:23.000They can have say on the other questions, and they'll be hard-hitting questions.
00:19:27.000So, truly, all the topics that you mentioned and more.
00:19:30.000This is actually a presidential debate series, so this is a kickoff for a series.
00:19:34.000We're going to have quite a few debates into 2024.
00:20:00.000So, thank you so much, Russell, again, for both of you gentlemen using your platform to make You're already making real change in the world, but now taking it to a presidential debate and bringing these candidates together.
00:20:12.000I'm excited to learn and bring these ideas together, and thank you, gentlemen, for all the work that you do in overcoming these odds, because they are intentionally trying to censor you.
00:20:22.000And what's brewing here at freeandequal.org is a bigger vision.
00:20:26.000It's truly an independent movement building, and I can go into greater detail another time.
00:20:31.000Uh, but there are more independent voters and there are Democrats and Republicans, and I have seen this being in the electoral arena for 25 years.
00:20:38.000I'm 42 years old now, and I've seen it.
00:20:41.000The restrictive ballot access barriers that we don't have alternative voting methods.
00:20:44.000We need to open the presidential debates.
00:20:47.000And so there's a bigger vision here and I look forward to working both with you both of you long term to really bring about free and equal elections not only throughout the United States the whole world is watching and we when we unite all doesn't matter whether you're from Israel or Palestine or Ukraine or Russia when we all all different genders and races together And recognize when we unite here in America, the whole world will follow.
00:21:10.000And I see the Democrats and Republicans, I see beyond party lines, uh, there being more independent voters being peacefully, peacefully replaced into the really flowing into the congressional races into 2026.
00:21:21.000So this is an exciting year, uh, for independence.
00:21:25.000And I see all the candidates, whoever's running for president, there's over 150 candidates running for president.
00:22:09.000Jimmy, when we talk, often what you say is the thing they fear the most is people coming together beyond political categorisations, beyond cultural divisions.
00:22:20.000How are you going to frame that in what is, to some degree, sure to be a partisan endeavour?
00:22:27.000So there's no doubt that the corporate media here, at least in the United States, they report.
00:22:33.000So we used to have 50 giant media companies in America when I was a kid.
00:22:37.000And then in 1996, Bill Clinton, who was a tool of the establishment and a tool of Wall Street and a tool of the military-industrial complex, He took us down from 50 giant media companies and now there's just six in the United States.
00:22:52.000So now it's just every newspaper, every TV show, every radio show, everything you see is controlled by just a handful of billionaires and the same kind of handful of billionaires that Run the entire world.
00:23:06.000And they report every story in a way that takes your eye off the ball.
00:23:11.000They report every story that makes you blame your neighbor and hate your neighbor for the pain you're feeling.
00:23:16.000Like, you know, during COVID, they did a lockdown.
00:23:20.000The billionaire class did a lockdown that smashed and crushed people.
00:23:25.000They did a controlled demolition of our economy and it made about 400 new billionaires, but
00:23:30.000everybody else felt the pain from that.
00:23:32.000And now they want me to blame my neighbor for the pain that I'm feeling economically
00:23:37.000because of what the billionaire in the establishment class did.
00:23:40.000They want me to blame my neighbor and hate my neighbor because they wouldn't take a vaccine
00:23:44.000that didn't work the way they said it did in the first place.
00:23:46.000Well, I'm not going to hate my neighbor.
00:23:50.000And I'm going to join with my neighbor against those oligarchs because that's the only thing that scares them to see people from the left, the right, and the center coming together to coalesce around a common enemy.
00:24:01.000And that common enemy is the oligarch.
00:24:02.000And you know, the United States is not a democracy.
00:24:05.000That's what the Democrats like to say right now.
00:24:07.000Well, you have to keep voting for Dementor Joe so that you've got to save your democracy.
00:24:13.000Hey, your democracy was stolen from you decades ago.
00:24:15.000Princeton study 10 years ago proved that we don't live in a democracy, that we live in an actual oligarchy, and your vote actually doesn't matter right now because they do.
00:24:24.000You know, when the Iraq war was happening, there were millions and millions of people in the street.
00:24:29.000Millions of people in the street around the world.
00:24:32.000Famously, Leslie Stahl was interviewing Dick Cheney, and she said, you know, three-quarters of the American people are against this Iraq war.
00:24:39.000And his response to that was, so what?
00:24:41.000And so that's what the corporate media does.
00:24:44.000The corporate media makes us blame each other, turn on each other.
00:24:48.000Right now, the corporate media in America makes you think that your neighbor is your enemy, that half the country, the same country that elected an African-American, Barack Obama, twice, somehow they became the most racist country in the world.
00:25:01.000All they talk about is racism, racism, racism.
00:25:04.000And racism has gotten better and better and better every year of my life, to the point that we elected Barack Obama twice.
00:25:10.000And so, but they want you to think half the country's racist.
00:25:13.000They want you to think that the truckers in Canada are Nazis.
00:25:16.000You know, that's the thing about, that's the beauty of how their corporate propaganda works and the beauty of them having only six companies, right?
00:25:24.000Because now everybody who works in the media knows that they can't step out of line because there's nowhere else to go to get a job.
00:25:30.000And so the power of that propaganda, it makes people in America, we can't tell the difference between a Nazi and a freedom fighter.
00:25:36.000We look at the truckers who are freedom fighters.
00:25:38.000By the way, the truckers We're vaccinated at a higher rate than the general population in Canada.
00:25:45.000They were protesting bullshit authoritarianism, and they were right, and they were freedom fighters.
00:25:50.000And in America, we can't tell the difference between a freedom fighter and a Nazi because the corporate media tells us they're Nazis.
00:25:55.000So we look at the freedom fighting truckers, and we call them Nazis, and we look at actual Nazis in Ukraine, and we call them freedom fighters.
00:26:02.000And so that's what we're pushing back against, and that's what they're afraid of.
00:26:05.000They're afraid of voices like mine, voices like yours, that actually tell you that up is down and black is white.
00:26:11.000That's what the corporate media tells you.
00:26:12.000Whatever the corporate media is telling you, the exact opposite is usually true.
00:26:16.000And so that is the only thing that scares them, is when people come together along class lines and not political partisan lines.
00:26:23.000That's what scares them, and that's what they're determined to keep us divided.
00:26:29.000They're determined to keep us blaming each other, and not only that, but hating each other and fearing our neighbor.
00:26:34.000And let's remember, the people who run this country, the billionaire class, they don't care if there's a civil war in our country.
00:26:40.000Chaos always favors the establishment.
00:26:43.000And then if you get afraid of your neighbor, and your neighbor's a Nazi, and your neighbor's a white supremacist, That, oh, you're going to be begging for the government to come in and provide security for you and take away more civil liberties and your freedoms.
00:26:57.000You know, they used 9-11 to pass a thing called the Patriot Act.
00:27:02.000The Patriot Act turned the United States into a surveillance state.
00:27:05.000So now every email and every phone call and every text you send, they are monitoring.
00:27:10.000And then Barack Obama, he repealed habeas corpus.
00:27:14.000So now you don't have a right to a speedy trial, and all they have to do is say you're a terrorist to do it, and they'll do that, right?
00:27:19.000And Barack Obama, his whole entire cabinet came from one email from Citigroup, which is Wall Street, right?
00:27:27.000So he was a puppet of Wall Street and everybody knows it, and the reason I know his entire cabinet came from that was because Julian Assange revealed that in WikiLeaks, which is why they've been trying to kill that guy and demonize him since he did that.
00:27:46.000To make it happen, please visit freeandequal.org and participate by suggesting subjects, by donating.
00:27:54.000It's a pretty low threshold financially, but a very high threshold spiritually and in terms of its authenticity and integrity.
00:28:02.000Just to see Jimmy Dore in front of people, running for president, asking the kind of questions that Jimmy Dore asks is surely Worth making the donation for, but could you blame them if they were terrified to face those kind of questions?
00:29:14.000None of them will talk about a ceasefire.
00:29:16.000Have you noticed now that legacy media won't even discuss that possibility when it comes to the Middle Eastern conflict?
00:29:23.000Those ideas are off the table, off the agenda.
00:29:26.000We have to find ways to come together.
00:29:29.000We have to listen to voices that advocate for peace.
00:29:32.000We have to provide an environment where those that are caught up in the mad heartbreak and bereavement of insanity and war are able to be held.
00:29:43.000Join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, oh no, we'd never insult you with that, but for more of the different.