Jimmy Dore joins the show to talk about his plans for a 2020 Democratic presidential debate and why he thinks Joe Biden is not as powerful as he used to be. Plus, a look at the Middle Eastern escalation and how the legacy media is covering it, and why it s actually a tragic and very difficult subject to cover. And we have a live shot of the future, where you re going to see the future... in this video, you re gonna love it! Stay tuned for the full show notes and a full interview with Jimmy Dore. Stay woke! Stay free! - The Awakened Wonderers Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Our ad-free version of the song is available on all good podcasting platforms, if you search for it, you'll find us. If you like what you hear, please consider leaving us a five star rating and review on Apple Podcasts, and we'll give you 5 stars and a review on iTunes. Thank you so much for your support, it really does mean a lot to us and we really appreciate it. - Sincerely, - Your continued support is very much appreciated. - Your support is so appreciated and really helps us make this podcast possible. We'll be looking forward to seeing you in 2020. - Thank you, Russell Brand - Stay woke, Stay free, and we hope you're all having a good day. - Teddy, too! - Teddy and I hope you have a good night! - Timestop Timestamps: 0:00:00 - 5:00-7:00, 5:30, 6:00) 7:00 8:30 - What's your thoughts? 9:00? 11:30 12:00s? 13:30s? 15:00 Is Joe Biden's decline? 15:40s? 16:00/16:00+ 17:00% 16:10s? 17:15? 18:30? 19:00 ? 21:00?) 22:00?? 23:00 Or is Joe Biden s declining power? 26:00 is it possible? 27:00 + 17:20s 25:00 & 27:15 24:00 #
00:06:49.000We did a conversation with Alex Jones the other day that mad Well how do I describe him?
00:06:54.000I feel like he's an evangelical shaman in a culture that only believes in rationalism.
00:06:59.000People that operate on the peripheral edge lands will always get a hard time but I talked to Alex Jones about the number of things that he was ahead of the curve on and I talked to him about regrets and I say that it's a Really good Alex Jones conversation, even for those of you that are not Alex Jones fans, and I know a lot of you will love Alex.
00:07:16.000If you are an Awake and Wonder like Jay Gwynn Wilde, hiya, how's it going?
00:07:19.000Democracy can't exist if censorship is in place, is what Jay Gwynn Wilde saying on the chat.
00:07:23.000Over on the Rumble chat, we've got Glacier Fox, Jimmy In Da House, Nomadsland, Jimmy exposed RFK as a genocide supporter.
00:07:30.000now because it's really difficult because I know Bobby Kennedy and he's actually really,
00:07:34.000really beautiful and I think one of the things that's been great about independent media's rise
00:07:39.000is the possibility that new political candidates and new political movements will emerge. Why do
00:07:44.000you think independent media is being attacked in the way that it is and on that note we'll only be
00:07:49.000able to be on YouTube because as you know YouTube through its association or ownership by Google is
00:07:54.000one of the trusted news initiative companies that means legacy media companies are bounded and
00:07:59.000together and they all have an agreement on a very particular set of agenda. They'll support one
00:08:05.000another, they're not competing with one another, there's some pretty crazy and exciting stuff for
00:08:10.000us to discuss and to reveal as this movement continues to grow. But you know there is some
00:08:16.000good news because people say that Joe Biden might be experiencing decline.
00:08:22.000He's not as potent as he once was, some say.
00:08:25.000Has he lost some of his magnetism and some of his power?
00:08:29.000Well, I'd like you to hold that opinion after you see him putting on his t-shirt like a real grown-up.
00:10:29.000Check this out for someone who's into private, into climate change and that.
00:10:32.000Trudeau burns the jet fuel 10 months, 127 in one month.
00:10:36.000Trudeau used enough fuel to power a trucker convoy, but to be fair, he does make a lot of truckers stay in jail, so they can't actually use their truck.
00:10:44.000So he give off with one hand, he take off with the other.
00:11:13.000I believe that this planet is a gift, that each of us are connected to our land, that each of us are connected to our community and our environment, and we should treat this earth with respect and love.
00:11:22.000But when measures are introduced that are clearly punitive to individuals while not regulating companies, whenever they introduce legislation and regulation that's like, normal people have to be in 15-minute cities, normal people can't take flights, Normal people are going to get all banged up, while people like Trudeau that mouth off about it bang about in the old jets, while energy companies continue to be subsidised by taxpayer dollars, while in a fuel crisis and an energy crisis, fuel companies continue and energy companies continue to make massive profits.
00:12:35.000You know, way back, you lot probably remember, because you lot were ahead of me, you know, when Trump first announced that he was running for president and he said that thing, you know, Mexicans, they're drug addicts, and I was like, well, you can't say that, you know, that's what I was saying, because me, I'm a, I love the people of the earth and I love the people of Mexico.
00:12:50.000But, you know, you lot said Trump would rise and that Trump was all right.
00:12:55.000Well, here's Trump now conducting an interview in Mexico, saying that in the event of a nuclear war, Mexico will suffer due to their geographical proximity.
00:13:21.000And when I hear these people talking about the environment and over a 300 year period, the oceans will rise by one one hundredth of an inch.
00:14:12.000The new Microsoft analysis has found that Russia, Iran, and China are likely to engage in newly sophisticated influence and interference efforts ahead of the 2020 election.
00:14:21.000Because otherwise, why would the Democrat Party not... I mean, what do you not... Did you see Joe Biden put on a t-shirt earlier?
00:14:31.000Iran and China do not... They're a threat.
00:14:34.000By the speed with which that guy can put on a t-shirt.
00:14:37.000When are these people gonna accept that there's a reason that people are disenchanted with democracy broadly while the biggest single constituency is the people that don't vote at all because there's no one worth voting for because the whole thing's a goddamn sham, baby.
00:14:52.000No, that must be China have made people think that democracy don't... Iran and China have somehow convinced everybody that Lockheed Martin and Raytheon and Pfizer and all these powerful organizations have somehow been able to make people disinterested in the political process.
00:15:08.000Sooner or later we're going to have to take responsibility for the fact that the reason people don't believe in politics and legacy media is because of their own actions.
00:15:14.00024 US presidential election. The report says all three countries are seeking to shape the
00:15:19.000geopolitical outcomes in their favor amid ongoing regional conflicts. The interference
00:15:25.000efforts are likely to take place on different online platforms than those targeted in 2016
00:17:09.000And if she didn't have a wall, of course, it didn't work that well with respect to the husband, but you know, generally speaking, it would work.
00:19:11.000And would there have been a COVID inquiry at all without independent media voices saying, I think you guys are making some pretty crazy decisions right now.
00:19:20.000There's, um, they wanted to find, they had 10 grand, £10,000 fines in our country.
00:19:25.000That's British pounds from the Bank of England.
00:20:19.000In light of the civil libertarian issues, the public health context and the fact that these fines were being produced and imposed for breaches of Social movements?
00:20:36.000It's pretty extraordinary because during the Covid inquiry some of the things they won't be talking about, oh my god, well the lack of clinical trials on transmission, but they won't cover insignificant death.
00:20:48.000Some of the things we've just learned about AstraZeneca, we can publicly say now that the AstraZeneca Vaccine was defective and caused blood clots that the WHO did not convey that information quickly enough.
00:20:59.000A lot of you are pressing 2 in the chat, so we'll cover the CBDC thing.
00:21:20.000If you're watching us on YouTube, we're going to leave because Jimmy Dore's coming on right now to tell us, along with Christina Tobin who's organising it, what it's going to be like hosting the first independent presidential debate.
00:21:51.000So if you're watching us on YouTube, click the link In the description right now, and join us over on Rumble so I can ask Jimmy and Christina whatever the hell I want, so we can speak freely, so we can decide for ourselves what's safe, so we can decide for ourselves what's good for us, so we can decide for ourselves what information to take seriously and what information to ignore.
00:22:10.000Stuff that won't be covered in that COVID inquiry, I can tell you, because they were pretty determined to censor and control.
00:22:16.000You know how they exploit crises, don't you?
00:22:20.000If you're watching us on Rumble, Press the red button, become an awakened wonder, support this movement as we grow, and please join me in welcoming, in whatever way you want, maybe you can just simply blow out your cheeks, you can pull out your ears, you can slap your own thighs wherever you are in this sweet world of ours, and welcome Jimmy Dore.
00:22:38.000Alright Jimmy and Christina Tobin, you're both there together in the same frame, I wasn't sure what to anticipate.
00:22:44.000Thank you so much for joining us, both of you.
00:23:43.000I know Joe Biden won't debate anybody because, you know, he's demented.
00:23:47.000But I hope it will be people like Jill Stein, Cornel West, Bobby Kennedy.
00:23:52.000And that would be really an amazing thing to happen.
00:23:55.000And so that's what I'm looking forward to.
00:23:58.000And you know, in the United States, we used to have real presidential debates when they were run by a group called the League of Women Voters.
00:24:06.000And then, of course, both corporate parties in America didn't like that they were being asked real questions and they were being exposed to the American people for the frauds that they are.
00:24:15.000So they got rid of that, those kind of debates, and they developed their own private company that's funded by corporations that now runs the presidential debates.
00:24:24.000It's called the Committee for Presidential Debates, the CPD.
00:25:08.000And just like Vivek said the other night, why are you having these tools of corporate America up here do this circus and ask these stupid questions and control the debate?
00:25:19.000They're actually controlling the narrative.
00:25:49.000And so go back I've already learned that the debates themselves have been corporatised and what's presented as an open debate, an opportunity for us to assess presidential candidates, is part of the very system that makes the whole charade redundant.
00:26:04.000Christina, can you tell us, was it the spirit of the earlier debates that's inspired you?
00:26:09.000How are you going to make it work technically?
00:26:13.000What led you to select Jimmy Dore there, the outspoken, I'd call him trans-political, progressive yet traditional, populist everyman, comic hero, to host it?
00:26:29.000We're going to have a blockchain app powered by Nexus.io.
00:26:33.000Really, through ranked choice voting, the people are going to vote the top six candidates.
00:26:37.000I founded Free and Equal Elections over 15 years ago.
00:26:40.000We've been hosting presidential debates for 15 years.
00:26:43.000We've had Larry King in 2012, Ed Asner.
00:26:47.000I moderated three live presidential debates during a lockdown year in 2020.
00:26:52.000The people wanted Jimmy Dore, a coalition of organizers, a lot of them from the Rage Against the War Machine rally last February.
00:26:59.000They have another event this February at Lincoln Memorial, and many groups and organizations brought Jimmy and I together, and I met him last year in D.C.
00:27:07.000at that event, Rage Against the War Machine.
00:27:09.000He's hard-hitting, he's not beholden to special interest money, and he's funny.
00:27:15.000You are too, Russell, and it's just like such an honor to be sitting here between two very accountable individuals that speak their truth, aren't beholden to the special interests like the Mainstream Commission on Presidential Debates, which is really crumbling, an expired platform that is run by big money, and it was stolen by the League of Women Voters in the late 70s, who originally created the debate.
00:27:37.000The CPD has perpetuated a fraud in American voters.
00:27:40.000The League of Women Voters has stated that.
00:28:00.000I would love for Joe Rogan, for the people out there, Please reach out to Joe Rogan and ask him to join Jimmy and I at this debate for the people this winter in Los Angeles at XR Studios.
00:28:11.000I think it sounds like an extremely exciting event and Jimmy I think if Vivek had said one more name it would have been yours so don't Don't carry that burden.
00:28:21.000How do you think that Biden's approach to financing multiple wars has influenced the polls?
00:28:28.000How do you think the recent military developments in the Middle East have further prohibited free speech around that subject?
00:28:41.000You know, it was interesting to me, Russell, that as soon as the left-right coalition was obvious in the United States coming to stop the funding of the war in Ukraine, all of a sudden another war happened and they shifted their attention.
00:30:27.000And that's how you know it's all corruption.
00:30:29.000For a hundred billion dollars, if we could have spent that money in the United States,
00:30:33.000they say you could end homelessness in the United States Let's just say that's true.
00:30:38.000So for $100 billion, we could have ended homelessness, then started it again, and then said we were just kidding, and then ended it again.
00:30:46.000And for $100 billion, Russell, don't you think they could have put some money in there for a dog that would lead Joe Biden offstage when he's done giving a speech?
00:30:54.000It would seem to be a reasonable investment to get some sort of intelligent canine to help him get off the stage and maybe some sort of, I don't know, bird to help him with t-shirts as well, which he seems to struggle with equally.
00:31:07.000This kind of packaging together of numerous wars, this inability to discuss them, the Constant use of pundits on legacy media to advocate for war without declaring their interests and connections to military-industrial complex companies means that the typical type of discourse is bounded and parametered within very, very narrow lines indeed, Christina.
00:31:30.000How do you feel that some of the candidates that are favoured will respond to being asked questions that are a little more, perhaps, aggressive, come in as they will, from Jimmy Dore there, who we know don't hold back.
00:31:44.000Are you concerned that they may not participate?
00:31:46.000I mean, we've already kind of ruled out Biden.
00:32:00.000The blockchain app powered by Nexus.io launches in January and so you can go on our website freeandequal.org and you can register today for more updates on that app as well as submit a question because we really want to hear from the people.
00:32:16.000The people are going to vote them and I think anything is possible.
00:32:19.000We see a big pushback on even on the ballot access side across the board to keep Trump and even Kennedy I foresee off the ballot and so these gentlemen and many others are going to need an independent platform to be heard and what separates our debates from the others is that or from the commission on presidential debates is that we use the The League of Women Voters cumulative format.
00:32:42.000So our debates really engaged more of a conversation a two minute opening question two minute closing each candidate.
00:32:48.000There's be about five questions or so has two minutes to respond to each question in order and they have a certain amount of rebuttals or expansions on questions.
00:32:56.000So we're here as moderators to listen to the candidates and to learn from them and let the people decide.
00:33:02.000I think it's possible that anyone can show up at our debates because There's not really many other options right now.
00:33:08.000We're seeing debate platforms, a few that we have, that are very argumentative, where the candidates are really taking over the debates.
00:33:16.000We're here at Free and Equal Elections.
00:33:18.000This is the debate Vivek and many other candidates are asking for, and we look forward when the people vote them in.
00:33:24.000I hope, whether it's Bobby, Marianne, Cornel West, Jill Stein, and many more of Vivek, Nikki, whoever it is, they should be there for the people, and we welcome their equally.
00:33:34.000Independent media has already changed politics.
00:33:37.000Perhaps it was immediately observable with Trump and Trump's ability to communicate and bypass the legacy media who didn't give him a chance and wouldn't have given him a chance.
00:33:46.000The rise of candidates like Vivek Ramaswamy is a further example of how independent media can be used to showcase and house new political voices and of course Bobby Kennedy and the way that he's used various podcasts and streamers including us That shows you that independent media is altering the political landscape.
00:34:06.000So a debate like this, in a sense, is a necessary and natural progression.
00:34:09.000And I think it'll be not easy, but I can see how a climate will emerge that if people don't participate in this debate, they'll be seen as cowardly, ducking out, avoiding the democracy and the electorate in the ways that they claim not to.
00:34:27.000They want to seem like they're participating in this process.
00:34:30.000Jimmy, how do you feel like independent media has created a new environment for politicians and has created a new class of politicians?
00:34:38.000Do you think we're at the beginning of this and you'll see new people emerge?
00:34:41.000And I know it's something I ask you every time I speak to you, could you see yourself being on the other side of that?
00:34:45.000Not behind the pulpit, asking the questions and moderating, but standing for some kind of candidacy?
00:34:51.000Now save the narcissistic bit for the end, Jimmy.
00:34:56.000Well, to answer your last question first, yes, I was interested in doing that because I think that there needs to be a voice that's not bought by corporations or to foreign lobbying groups and actually just speaks for the people.
00:35:11.000And I think people are hungry for that.
00:35:13.000I think that's why uh you and people like me have a wide you know it used to be my audience was just former Bernie Sanders supporters but now my audience is what I have I have hippies when you know when I do live performances I have hippies come to my shows I have guys in three-piece suits I have former military people I have elderly people I have teenagers
00:35:32.000I have black, I have white, I have every... and so that's the kind of thing I think people need right now.
00:35:36.000Someone that is just speaking to the people and they don't care so much if they agree with me on everything.
00:35:41.000What they really appreciate, especially with you and people like me and Joe Rogan, is that we we're not bought and they can trust that if we're saying something it's actually coming from our heart and we're not saying it because we took money from someone or we're influenced by some foreign lobby or something like that.
00:35:58.000So I think that's the big deal and independent media You know, Bobby Kennedy's almost his entire campaign has been fueled by independent media right now, right?
00:36:07.000So he's making the round on podcasts, and he's getting his message out there.
00:36:11.000And, well, he just went on PBS the other day.
00:36:14.000I can't believe they invited him on PBS, because I think they wanted to slander him, which they did.
00:36:18.000I just dropped a video yesterday about it.
00:36:20.000And, of course, Bobby Kennedy's good at that now, and he knows he can seize those smears coming, and he was able to push back on that right away.
00:36:26.000So I think independent media is essential.
00:36:30.000And it is changing the landscape, and that's why they have to have such narrative control, right?
00:36:34.000And that's why they have to try to discredit people like you, and try to discredit people like me and Joe Rogan, is because the corporations, all they have is narrative control, and I've said this before, and if they can't control the narrative, then they have to start disappearing people, and that's a lot harder to keep covered up.
00:36:49.000So, independent media is really poking a hole, and by, you know, we have a lot of, thank God for Rumble, right?
00:36:56.000And thank God for Rumble, and thank God for Rumble.
00:36:59.000And Rumble's really picking up steam, and a lot of people are finding out about it.
00:37:04.000And thank God for Rumble, because, you know, YouTube, which is an amazing platform, right?
00:37:10.000You can get your message out on YouTube like no other social media out there.
00:37:14.000And it's been a big part of my show and it's been a big part of Bobby Kennedy's campaign also.
00:37:20.000But YouTube is owned by the richest corporation in the history of mankind.
00:37:24.000It's Google and they want narrative control and now they suppress and the algorithm suppresses people like me and
00:37:40.000And the reason why people came to YouTube in the first place was because they didn't feel like they were getting the truth from those places because they're funded by the military-industrial complex, Big Pharma, and Wall Street.
00:38:32.000So that always used to be considered staunch lefty positions and now they slander you and say that you're a right winger for pushing those things that have been lefty positions my whole life.
00:38:42.000And people have coalesced around those issues, by the way.
00:38:45.000Almost everybody is for a version of everything I just said.
00:38:51.000So, depending on the poll and depending on how you ask the questions, somewhere around 70% of even conservative voters want the government to take a bigger role in taking care of healthcare here in the United States.
00:39:02.000We're the last country in the West that doesn't have healthcare for everybody.
00:39:08.000Yeah, I'm excited about independent media.
00:39:11.000I'm super excited about Rumble, and Rumble is really taking off, and Rumble's actually going to be getting their version of advertising, which is what makes YouTube lucrative for people and makes it sustainable for people to do shows like this.
00:39:25.000So now Rumble's actually going to be able to be doing that going forward, I've been told, by people in the know.
00:39:30.000So I'm really excited about it, and thank God for Rumble.
00:39:33.000Yeah, they're broadcasting the presidential debate.
00:39:36.000Thanks, Rumble, so much for supporting this debate.
00:39:39.000Yeah, they've already agreed to broadcast the presidential debate that we're going to be hosting, so thank God for Rumble.
00:39:47.000We will thank our Lord God for Rumble.
00:39:49.000I thank God for Rumble most days, man.
00:39:52.000And it's exciting that this is going to be on Rumble and it's going to be funded by people.
00:39:58.000Funded, you say, through blockchain technologies to ensure, I suppose, that there will be no topics that are off-limits.
00:40:06.000For example, you know, in our country... Excuse me.
00:40:10.000AstraZeneca have just lost a case and they've had to admit that the vaccine is defective and it's likely that there's going to be huge payouts as a result of that.
00:40:22.000Now we've talked a lot about the pandemic and we've talked about what's been revealed by the pandemic, the convergence of pharmaceutical interests, the corruption, the ineffective measures that have been undertaken, the inability to communicate openly around them, the censorship, Do you feel, Christina, that this is one of the subjects that will be covered?
00:40:41.000And how much are you planning to curate and control the content?
00:40:44.000Or are you saying that all of it will be directed by the people that are funding it?
00:40:49.000Which means, you know, the people that can contribute through blockchain?
00:40:56.000We plan to ask the people to do a poll through our blockchain app, not only to vote in the top six candidates, but what questions.
00:41:03.000And that's why we're asking them to submit questions today and sign up for more information for the blockchain app at freeandequal.org.
00:41:10.000So the people will decide a couple of the questions, I think at least two of the five, and then the moderators Jimmy Dore here and hopefully Joe Rogan.
00:41:19.000Please reach out and ask him to be a part of this debate.
00:41:23.000They can have say on the other questions and they'll be hard hitting questions.
00:41:27.000So truly every all the topics that you mentioned and more.
00:41:30.000This is actually a presidential debate series.
00:41:46.000Thank you Jimmy for promoting our campaign at free and equal org Please go at free and equal org today and donate so we can hit that 30,000 it's gonna take six figures to really lock it in at XR studios What a bit what a venue so thank you so much Russell again for both of you gentlemen using your platform to make You're already making real change in the world, but now taking it to a presidential debate and bringing these candidates together.
00:42:12.000I'm excited to learn and bring these ideas together.
00:42:15.000And thank you, Domen, for all the work that you do in overcoming these odds, because they are intentionally trying to censor you.
00:42:21.000And what's brewing here at FreeNickel.org is a bigger vision.
00:42:25.000It's truly an independent movement building, and I can go into greater detail another time.
00:42:30.000Uh, but there are more independent voters, and there are Democrats and Republicans, and I have seen this being in the electoral arena for 25 years.
00:42:38.000I'm 42 years old now, and I've seen it.
00:42:40.000The restrictive ballot access barriers that we don't have alternative voting methods.
00:42:44.000These voting machines that are of default dominion cannot be trusted.
00:42:49.000We need to open the presidential debates.
00:42:51.000And so there's a bigger vision here and I look forward to working both with you both of you long term to really bring about free and equal elections not only throughout the United States the whole world is watching and we when we unite all doesn't matter whether you're from Israel or Palestine or Ukraine or Russia when we all all different genders and races together And recognize when we unite here in America, the whole world will follow.
00:43:14.000And I see the Democrats and Republicans, I see beyond party lines, uh, there being more independent voters being peacefully, peacefully replaced into the really flowing into the congressional races into 2026.
00:43:25.000So this is an exciting year, uh, for independence.
00:43:30.000And I see all the candidates, whoever's running for president, there's over 150 candidates running for president.
00:44:13.000Jimmy, when we talk, often what you say is the thing they fear the most is people coming together beyond political categorisations, beyond cultural divisions.
00:44:24.000How are you going to frame that in what is, to some degree, sure to be a partisan endeavour?
00:44:31.000So there's no doubt that the corporate media here, at least in the United States, is the report.
00:44:37.000So we used to have 50 giant media companies in America when I was a kid.
00:44:42.000And then in 1996, Bill Clinton, who was a tool of the establishment and a tool of Wall Street and a tool of the military-industrial complex, He took us down from 50 giant media companies, and now there's just six in the United States.
00:44:56.000So now it's just every newspaper, every TV show, every radio show, everything you see is controlled by just a handful of billionaires, and the same kind of handful of billionaires that Run the entire world.
00:45:10.000And they report every story in a way that takes your eye off the ball.
00:45:15.000They report every story that makes you blame your neighbor and hate your neighbor for the pain you're feeling.
00:45:20.000Like, you know, during COVID, they did a lockdown.
00:45:24.000The billionaire class did a lockdown that smashed and crushed people.
00:45:29.000They did a controlled demolition of our economy.
00:45:31.000And it only and it made about 400 new billionaires, but everybody else felt the pain from that and now they want me
00:45:37.000to blame my neighbor for the pain that I'm feeling economically because
00:45:41.000of what the billionaire and the establishment class did and they want
00:45:44.000me to blame my neighbor and hate my neighbor because they wouldn't take a
00:45:47.000Vaccine that didn't work the way they said it did in the first place. Well, I'm not gonna hate my neighbor
00:45:52.000I'm gonna love my neighbor and I'm gonna join with my neighbor against those oligarchs
00:45:57.000Because that's the only thing that scares them to see people from the left the right in the center
00:46:01.000Coming together to coalesce around a common enemy And that common enemy is the oligarch.
00:46:07.000You know, the United States is not a democracy.
00:46:09.000That's what the Democrats like to say right now.
00:46:11.000Well, you have to keep voting for Dementor Joe so that you've got to save your democracy.
00:46:17.000Hey, your democracy was stolen from you decades ago.
00:46:20.000Princeton study 10 years ago proved that we don't live in a democracy, that we live in an actual oligarchy, and your vote actually doesn't matter right now, because they do.
00:46:29.000You know, when the Iraq war was happening, there were millions and millions of people in the street.
00:46:33.000Millions of people in the street around the world.
00:46:37.000Famously, Leslie Stahl was interviewing Dick Cheney, and she said, you know, three-quarters of the American people are against this Iraq war.
00:46:43.000And his response to that was, so what?
00:46:46.000And so that's what the corporate media does.
00:46:49.000The corporate media makes us blame each other, turn on each other.
00:46:52.000Right now, the corporate media in America makes you think that your neighbor is your enemy, that half the country, the same country that elected an African-American, Barack Obama, twice, somehow they became the most racist country in the world.
00:47:05.000All they talk about is racism, racism, racism.
00:47:08.000And racism has gotten better and better and better every year of my life, to the point that we elected Barack Obama twice.
00:47:15.000And so, but they want you to think half the country's racist.
00:47:17.000They want you to think that the truckers in Canada are Nazis.
00:47:20.000You know, that's the thing about that.
00:47:22.000That's the beauty of how their corporate propaganda works and the beauty of them having only six companies, right?
00:47:28.000because now everybody who works in the media knows that they can't get step out of line
00:47:32.000because there's nowhere else to go to get a job.
00:47:34.000And so the power of that propaganda, it makes people in America,
00:47:37.000we can't tell the difference between a Nazi and a freedom fighter.
00:47:41.000We look at the truckers who are freedom fighter.
00:47:42.000By the way, the truckers were vaccinated at a higher rate than the general population in Canada.
00:47:49.000They were protesting bullshit authoritarianism and they were right and they were freedom fighters.
00:47:54.000And in America we can't tell the difference between a freedom fighter and a Nazi because the corporate media tells us they're Nazis.
00:48:00.000So we look at the freedom fighting truckers and we call them Nazis and we look at actual Nazis in Ukraine and we call them freedom fighters.
00:48:07.000And so that's what we're pushing back against, and that's what they're afraid of.
00:48:09.000They're afraid of voices like mine, voices like yours, that actually tell you that up is down and black is white.
00:48:15.000That's what the corporate media tells you.
00:48:17.000Whatever the corporate media is telling you, the exact opposite is usually true.
00:48:20.000And so that is the only thing that scares them, is when people come together along class lines and not political partisan lines.
00:48:27.000That's what scares them, and that's what they're That's what they're determined to keep us divided.
00:48:33.000They're determined to keep us blaming each other.
00:48:35.000And not only that, but hating each other and fearing our neighbor.
00:48:38.000And let's remember, the people who run this country, the billionaire class, they don't care if there's a civil war in our country.
00:48:45.000Chaos always favors the establishment.
00:48:47.000And then if you get afraid of your neighbor, and your neighbor's a Nazi, and your neighbor's a white supremacist, That, oh, you're going to be begging for the government to come in and provide security for you and take away more civil liberties and your freedoms.
00:49:01.000You know, they used 9-11 to pass a thing called the Patriot Act.
00:49:06.000The Patriot Act turned the United States into a surveillance state.
00:49:09.000So now every email and every phone call and every text you send, they are monitoring.
00:49:14.000And then Barack Obama, he repealed habeas corpus.
00:49:18.000So now you don't have a right to a speedy trial and all they have to do is say you're a terrorist to do it and they'll do that, right?
00:49:23.000And Barack Obama, his whole entire cabinet came from one email from Citigroup, which is Wall Street, right?
00:49:31.000So he was a puppet of Wall Street and everybody knows it.
00:49:33.000And the reason I know his entire cabinet came from that was because Julian Assange revealed that in WikiLeaks, which is why they've been trying to kill that guy and demonize him since he did that.
00:49:51.000To make it happen, please visit freeandequal.org and participate by suggesting subjects, by donating.
00:49:58.000It's a pretty low threshold financially, but a very high threshold spiritually.
00:50:03.000Spiritually and in terms of its authenticity and integrity.
00:50:06.000Just to see Jimmy Dore in front of people running for president asking the kind of questions that Jimmy Dore asks is surely worth making the donation for.
00:50:15.000But could you blame them if they were terrified to face those kind of questions?
00:50:31.000Christina, thank you for your bravery and ingenuity in coming up with that idea and for having such a fantastic host as Jimmy to ensure that we will deliver on the premise.
00:50:41.000Jimmy, thanks as always for being an advocate for people coming together against real power and for being a man of true integrity.
00:51:18.000None of them will talk about a ceasefire.
00:51:20.000Have you noticed now that legacy media won't even discuss that possibility when it comes to the Middle Eastern conflict?
00:51:27.000Those ideas are off the table, off the agenda.
00:51:31.000We have to find ways to come together.
00:51:33.000We have to listen to voices that advocate for peace.
00:51:36.000We have to provide an environment where those that are caught up in the mad heartbreak and bereavement of insanity and war are able to be held.
00:51:48.000In this conversation, we'll talk about the influence that Raytheon, Lockheed Martin have over legacy media.
00:51:53.000We'll be talking about how legacy media are censoring even conversation around peace.
00:52:01.000If today, the Beatles would have to sing, all we are saying is give Blank a chance, because they wouldn't be able to say it on the mainstream.
00:52:10.000On the show, we got Dave Martin coming on on Monday and Alex Jones for a conversation that, I mean, I wouldn't blame you if you couldn't wait.
00:52:17.000If you want to watch it right now, press the red button.
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00:53:18.000What do Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, George W.
00:53:22.000Bush and even Bernie Sanders have in common?
00:53:24.000They all want to escalate the war in the Middle East, even though it could lead to World War III.
00:53:33.000This escalating conflict in the Middle East is perhaps the most sensitive of all the global sensitive issues that there are right now.
00:53:39.000It's very difficult to talk about Ukraine-Russia because of Ukrainian people and the escalating situation in China.
00:53:44.000There are cultural issues that are very difficult to discuss now because we're so divided.
00:53:48.000But the mother of all issues is, of course, the conflict between Israel and Palestine because it seemed very difficult to say that Hamas's attack was wrong.
00:53:56.000Israel's response is brutal and devastating.
00:53:59.000And if we don't end this, it's going to get Worse and worse, obviously.
00:54:04.000And even saying both sides, actually, is something people don't like.
00:54:06.000One side's an army with nuclear war, the other one's essentially in an open prison.
00:54:10.000You know, this is very, very difficult to discuss.
00:54:11.000But where there is agreement is in the political class and in the financial sector, particularly the Military Industrial Congress and people in Congress that own shares in weapons manufacturing companies.
00:54:22.000They all want this war to continue to escalate.
00:54:26.000I know there are some people that will settle for nothing less than support Israel, and other people who will settle for nothing less than support Palestine.
00:54:33.000How will we ever get to a point where we're able to, even at the level of conversation with people that are not involved, reach some sort of consensus if we're not willing to discuss peace?
00:54:43.000Peace, ceasefires and de-escalation have literally been taken off the agenda by the political class and the legacy media class.
00:54:50.000I always say this when I talk about this subject.
00:54:52.000If you're personally involved because you are Israeli, or you're Jewish, or you're involved because you're Muslim, or you're involved because you have relatives in Palestine, or you're particularly affiliated to this issue for emotional, spiritual, religious, national reasons, then I would not try to dissuade you from your perspective.
00:55:09.000It would be ridiculous and actually rude, impolite, almost heretical.
00:55:12.000But for people that are not directly involved, I think we have to ...address that this is an escalating humanitarian crisis.
00:55:18.000It's likely to lead to a migration crisis if those documents prove to be true.
00:55:22.000I'm referring to the documentation that says it's part of an explicit plan to remove the entire population of Gaza.
00:55:28.000Even if you just look at this in terms of migration.
00:55:30.000And put aside for a moment the ongoing slaughter and death that's currently taking place, we have a significant global issue to address.
00:55:36.000That's, again, without looking at the likelihood that this leads to a geopolitical crisis that's not going to be easy to walk away from if Iran get involved, if Russia get involved.
00:55:48.000Shouldn't we be able to talk about a ceasefire?
00:55:51.000I recognize if you're an Israeli person and you are affected by those horrific terrorist attacks, you're like, these are a different type of people, they have a different type of ideology.
00:56:00.000I recognize if you are connected to Palestine, these people have been oppressed ever since the establishment of the Israeli state, what's going on now, the bombing of a civilized population, oh well if Hamas hide there, but what if Hamas were hiding in Israel?
00:56:17.000Even you find yourself saying, God, all I want is to pray for love.
00:56:20.000All I want to pray like for the Muslim people to feel connected to Allah and peace.
00:56:23.000For the Jewish people to feel connected to God or Yahweh and to feel peace.
00:56:27.000That is somehow a controversial statement.
00:56:30.000If we're going to leave this here and all of us just sort of quietly back off into our own private corners of the internet with our own particular tiles cancelling the people that we don't agree with, then I suppose what we have to accept is there's going to be a massive migrant crisis.
00:56:44.000There's going to be an escalation of the war in the Middle East.
00:56:46.000Raytheon and Lockheed Martin are going to make a good deal of money.
00:56:50.000Millions of people in Palestine are going to be displaced or killed.
00:56:57.000Probably not only in the Middle East, but probably across Europe and North America.
00:57:01.000That, I think, is the price of not discussing this.
00:57:04.000Obviously, I'm aware of my own personal limitations, now more than ever, but my own recent experiences of not speaking out have told me that difficult conversations sometimes have to be had.
00:57:15.000So let's look at why is it that Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, John Fetterman, will not discuss a ceasefire.
00:57:26.000Why is it that the legacy media, the mainstream media, won't even put the word cease on the tickers on the bottom of their screen, let alone invite experts in peace?
00:57:35.000Why is it the marches and protests are so contentious?
00:57:38.000Do you think we're all being invited to pick a side Knowing that as long as we are divided, particularly those of us, as I keep reiterating, are not Israeli, not Palestinian, not Muslim, not Jewish, those of us that have just got caught up in the mad hysteria and are unwilling to step back, as long as that's happening, how is there going to be any progress at all?
00:57:59.000Remember, we stream every day on Rumble.
00:58:01.000We've got some incredible shows coming up for you.
00:58:03.000But now let's look at this incredibly complex, incredibly painful issue together.
00:58:08.000And let me reiterate once again, Whatever side of this you're on, and I mean ideologically, not militarily, I offer you absolute sympathy and I wish I could contribute in some meaningful way, even if it's just having a conversation on our channel.
00:58:28.000Even a generalised principle like that is difficult because if you were to actually approach this from a position of moral innocence you would say war is bad, violence is bad, wherever possible diplomatic solutions should be sought.
00:58:38.000That's exactly what I'd say if it was the Ukraine-Russia conflict that we were discussing.
00:58:42.000Here, particularly from a former president, there's an assumption, a baked in assumption, that military action is necessary.
00:58:49.000Whether that's the droning campaigns that Obama backed, I think more than any other president, certainly more than his predecessor George W. Bush.
00:58:56.000So Barack Obama is coming from a very particular perspective.
00:58:58.000One thing this story does highlight is you have total hegemony when it comes to the political class.
00:59:04.000This is one of the issues where people are not furiously debating this amount of time before you can have an abortion, no abortions at all, yes guns, no guns.
00:59:13.000And so if you want to solve the problem, then you have to take in the whole truth.
00:59:21.000And you then have to admit Nobody's hands are clean.
00:59:29.000There's an attempt by Barack Obama to sort of paint a picture where people that have literally sanctioned droning raids are the same as the rest of us.
00:59:39.000This is one area where the invitation for everybody that's outside of the establishment classes that literally benefit from war in so many ways, it galvanizes populations.
01:00:05.000That's kind of a spiritual perspective.
01:00:07.000Like, are you bringing to this conversation an attitude of peace and conciliation, or are you being incendiary?
01:00:12.000You could ask that, I suppose, of yourself.
01:00:14.000But when you're actually a president that's participated in treaties and bombing raids and assassinations and weddings being bombed, that's different.
01:01:21.000Marshall McLuhan would say that the medium is the message.
01:01:24.000In this instance, the medium is Hillary Rodham Clinton.
01:01:27.000Hillary Clinton from the Clinton Foundation.
01:01:29.000Hillary Clinton that's never met a war that she didn't love.
01:01:32.000Obviously, no one's going to change their view of Hamas on the basis of information that's available about Hamas's intentions.
01:01:38.000But you might also want to look at the conduct and behavior of the United States government, particularly when Hillary Clinton's And also perhaps collectively want to make a decision.
01:01:51.000And that might not be as simple as Islam, Judaism, Christianity, secularism versus a religious perspective.
01:01:58.000It might start to become An elite establishment that benefit from perpetuating war versus everybody else who might be able to find some kind of solution were the imperialist, colonialist and economic imperatives to be removed.
01:02:11.000A lot of people are benefiting from this war.
01:03:09.000The track record, indeed, is not good.
01:03:12.000So again, it's left Elon Musk extraordinarily to be the voice of reason, as during the Ukraine-Russia conflict ongoing, it was up to him to not use Starlink to potentially exacerbate conditions by allowing it to be used by bombing raids, even though that was framed in some extraordinary ways by the dominant legacy.
01:03:30.000Let's have a look now at how the legacy media are reporting on this.
01:03:33.000The likelihood of a global migration crisis of unprecedented levels, as well as the potential for World War 3.
01:03:40.000And indeed, is there a way, with this complicated issue, with all of the complicated historic religious issues involved, that there could be a peaceful and helpful conversation?
01:03:50.000Does anybody want to have that conversation?
01:03:52.000Let me know in the chat, let me know in the comments.
01:03:54.000Since the October 7th Hamas attacks and the subsequent ongoing Israeli airstrikes, US TV news has offered extensive coverage of Israel and Gaza.
01:04:02.000But as casualties mount, most outlets have paid scant attention to growing calls for ceasefire.
01:04:07.000After Hamas killed more than 1,400 people in Israel on October 7th and took some 200 hostages, Israeli bombing killed over 5,000, now 10,000 people, in Gaza as of October 22nd, including more than 1,400 children.
01:04:33.000And if this is naive, then perhaps naivety might be one of the areas we should consider exploring, seeing as how wisdom, rationale, and intrinsic tribal dispute might lead to World War III.
01:04:43.000Jewish-led protests in New York and other cities on October 13th and again in Washington DC on October 18th made a ceasefire their central message.
01:04:51.000And a recent Data for Progress poll found that 66% of likely US voters agree that the US should call for a ceasefire and de-escalation of violence in Gaza.
01:05:00.000So why is it not being discussed if it's something that even voters, in their run-up to an election, are interested in?
01:05:06.000Jewish-led protests at least is some cause for Optimism, I would say, because if people that are directly affected, religiously affected, feel like peace would be the answer, perhaps this is the kind of leadership we should be looking towards, let me know in the chat.
01:05:18.000But the Biden administration has actively tried to suppress discussion of de-escalation.
01:05:22.000The Huffington Post reported on October the 13th that an internal State Department memo instructed staff not to use the words de-escalation or ceasefire, end to violence or bloodshed, or restoring calm in press materials on the Middle East.
01:06:13.000Looking at broader cable news coverage, FAIR found that mentions of cease appeared in closed captioning on screen for an average of only 19.7 seconds per day on Fox, 11.1 seconds per day on CNN, and 9.2 seconds per day on MSNBC.
01:06:26.000Over the course of a whole day on MSNBC, only nine seconds were devoted to the word cease when there are wars everywhere.
01:06:33.000I mean, how many times did they say, take your vaccine?
01:07:13.000As tensions escalate between Israel and the Hamas group, it's been revealed U.S.
01:07:16.000congressional leaders have been making some strategic investment moves into military-related stocks.
01:07:21.000Since the October 7 attack by Hamas on Israel, shares of Boeing Co, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon Technologies have all increased in value, collectively adding roughly $23 billion in market capitalisation.
01:07:32.000Why are we focusing on how many children have died when business is booming?
01:07:36.000Unusual Wales revealed a list of over 50 politicians who currently hold stock positions that directly benefit from war in the Middle East.
01:07:41.000Four US politicians have profited from purchases they made in shares of defence companies just ahead of the Israel-Hamas conflict.
01:07:50.000There's some predictions that paid off.
01:07:51.000So, the legacy media have got a preferred narrative.
01:07:54.000The military-industrial complex have got a preferred outcome.
01:07:57.000What is likely to happen if this war continues to escalate?
01:08:00.000We've heard Elon Musk say, World War 3 is a possibility.
01:08:03.000Let me know in the chat and the comments if you agree that that's a possibility.
01:08:06.000Also, though, there's the official information from the Israeli intelligence ministry that says that part of their intention is to clear the Gaza region.
01:08:14.000This seems like an extraordinary move. Let me know what you think about that
01:08:18.000in the chat. And however you look at it, it's going to cause an extraordinary migrant crisis.
01:08:22.000Now, a migrant crisis means that those people will be displaced, whether that's to Sinai
01:08:27.000or wherever, I don't know at this stage, but they're going to have to go somewhere.
01:08:30.000Now, even if your interests are nationalist, the increase of migrants, you know, in the
01:08:34.000US through the southern border, in the UK, from various ways across the channel and across
01:08:39.000European countries, a migrant crisis means people are going to have to go somewhere. Not to
01:08:44.000mention that many of these people might be bearing certain grievances as a result of the manner in
01:08:49.000which their migration was brought about. It's difficult not to regard them as
01:08:52.000refugees if indeed they are moved on as part of a deliberate and explicit edict. Let me know
01:08:58.000The Israeli Ministry of Intelligence is recommending the forcible and permanent transfer of the Gaza Strip's 2.2 million Palestinian residents to Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, according to an official document.
01:09:09.000The 10-page document, dated October 13, 2023, bears the logo of the Intelligence Ministry, a small governmental body that produces policy research and shares its proposals with intelligence agencies, the army, and other ministries.
01:09:20.000It assesses three options regarding the future of the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip in the framework of the current war and recommends a full population transfer as its preferred course of action.
01:09:29.000It also calls on Israel to enlist the international community in support of this endeavour.
01:09:34.000It seems like something, again, that ought to be considered pretty carefully and it also seems like an unprecedented and extraordinary move that's likely to lead to some negative consequences.
01:09:44.000The fact that an Israeli government ministry has prepared such a detailed proposal amid a large-scale military offensive on the Gaza Strip following Hamas' deadly assault and massacres in southern Israel communities on October 7th reflects how the idea of forced population transfer is being raised to the level of official policy discussions.
01:10:00.000I can of course imagine that if you were affected by those horrific attacks, that any solution would seem plausible.
01:10:10.000I presume I would feel similar feelings if my children were murdered, God forbid.
01:10:15.000But isn't the role of diplomacy, isn't the role of media, To openly discuss the possible outcomes and indeed the already abhorrent crisis that's taking place in Gaza as a result of the response.
01:10:28.000Isn't that the responsibility of people that aren't personally affected?
01:10:30.000I think a kind of a line has to be drawn as one might draw around a grieving person in the instances of people from across the spectrum of this conflict who are temporarily so affected by the emotion, the deep emotion and trauma, that perhaps they are unable to consider The various potential consequences of ongoing military and violent conflict.
01:10:49.000Fears of such plans, which would constitute a serious war crime under international law, it's worth considering, have grown in recent weeks, especially after the Israeli army ordered about one million Palestinians to evacuate the northern Gaza Strip ahead of escalating bombardment and incremental ground incursions.
01:11:04.000The document recommends that Israel act to evacuate the civilian population to Sinai during the war, establish tent cities and later more permanent cities in the northern Sinai that will absorb the expelled population and then create a sterile zone of several kilometers within Egypt and prevent the return of the population to activities, residences near the border with Israel.
01:11:23.000At the same time, governments around the world led by the United States must be mobilized to implement the move.
01:11:28.000The document unequivocally and explicitly recommends transferring Palestinian civilians from Gaza as a desired outcome of the war.
01:11:35.000Well, as the article says, that would constitute a war crime.
01:11:38.000And I suppose in any sensible mentality, all war and all violence is obviously already a crime.
01:11:44.000And I suppose we should be collectively looking at solutions beyond that.
01:11:48.000This is an article by Dennis Kucinich, who offers some alternative perspectives that indeed provide us with some optimism without being disrespectful to people that are directly affected by this conflict.
01:11:59.000It is as if 10,000 Palestinians and more had never existed.
01:12:03.000But they did, just as the 1,400 Israelis killed on October the 7th existed.
01:12:07.000They had birthdates, names, fragile exchanges of human emotion, of love, of family, private moments in everyday life that confirmed their existence.
01:12:17.000Whatever media we consume, we see only a fraction of the massive display of inhumanity occurring in Gaza, the reduction of living, breathing, feeling people to objects.
01:12:25.000This is heartless, this is soulless, this reduces all of existence to the nothingness of smoke, human smoke.
01:12:30.000The violence is calculated, it's rooted in power politics, in racism, in apartheid, in twisted history, opportunism disguised as vengeance, statecraft, as slaughter.
01:12:39.000We in America are paying for the extermination of our fellow humans.
01:12:42.000Our weapons are creating carnage against helpless people.
01:12:44.000Our aircraft, our ships, our troops have entered the fray greatly outnumbered.
01:12:57.000The end of 800 military bases around the world.
01:12:59.000The end of the theft of our tax dollars for killing.
01:13:01.000The end of policies that pit people against each other.
01:13:03.000The end of the destructive psychology justifying violence to maintain strategic balance.
01:13:07.000The end of the false justifications for sending our troops into harm's way.
01:13:12.000If that Perspective is one that you don't want to consider.
01:13:15.000Then you're on the same side as Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, John Fetterman, etc.
01:13:22.000If we can recognize together that the American economy appears to require the perpetuation of global violence, if, as we've been saying on this channel with regard to other conflicts, there is a kind of unipolar globalist agenda within which the military-industrial complex and the American military conspire, then You have to consider the broader proposal here.
01:13:43.000Would it be beneficial to end this war?
01:13:45.000Would it be beneficial to not have institutionalised violence as part of an economic model?
01:13:51.000It is unfathomable beyond the Orwellian to commit ethnic cleansing and call it defence, to preach democratic values while practising apartheid, to claim wholesale theft of property and right, to take Palestinians, their homes, kill their children, destroy their family, their culture, their history, and deem it the fulfilment of a prophecy ordained by God.
01:14:07.000That this genocide is being visited upon the Palestinians by the descendants of those who suffered the utterly contemptible, indelible inhumanity of the Holocaust is incomprehensible.
01:14:16.000After all, who has suffered more than the Jews during the Holocaust?
01:14:18.000Entire families wiped out in a racist elimination plan.
01:14:21.000The awful killings of innocent Israelis on October the 7th and the wave of anti-Jewish sentiment that followed are a powerful reminder of the vulnerability of Jews everywhere.
01:14:29.000But the destruction of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank brings back greater risks for the survival of Israel itself and all those who dwell within.
01:14:35.000Do not assume that it is only the artefacts of the humble daily lives of Palestinians that lay buried in bomb craters.
01:14:41.000The America that could be, our own hopes and dreams for a prosperous and secure nation, lie alongside the bodies of the men, women and children in those ruins.
01:14:48.000Let us stand for the survival of both Jews and Arabs.
01:14:51.000Otherwise, we are all participants in the massacres that have been and those that are yet to come.
01:14:56.000The leaders of the world must assert common humanity and enact a cessation of this madness and create a new path, a new map, which is fair to all and establish a new peaceful coexistence that recognizes the inner equality of all.
01:15:16.000Let us all speak out against this descent into madness, into nothingness.
01:15:19.000And we Americans must demand that our government heal our own nation, serve our own people, and use our precious resources to improve the lives of all Americans.
01:15:28.000Once again, with respect to those of you that are unable, due to grief and the ongoing tragedy, to look at this with some clarity, I believe that we, the rest of us, have to seriously consider where we're heading as a people.
01:15:41.000Is it a coincidence that the media will not discuss a ceasefire?
01:15:44.000Is it a coincidence that Raytheon and Lockheed Martin continue to profit?
01:15:47.000Is it wise to facilitate the criminal removal of millions of people from their homeland?
01:15:53.000And what are the likely consequences of that all around the world?
01:15:56.000I believe, unless those of us that are able to do not demand peace in a loving way, with due grace and understanding for the people that are directly involved, we are heading towards World War 3.
01:16:05.000I don't know how long we as a species can precipitate this kind of violence, this kind of hatred, this kind of tribalism, but what I do know is the media benefit from it.
01:16:15.000George W. Bush thinks it's a good idea.
01:16:21.000Because one way or another, they benefit from these conflicts.
01:16:24.000That's why the media can't speak to you openly about it.
01:16:27.000That's why the kind of division between us is stoked continually.
01:16:30.000That's why I believe that we have an individual and collective duty to find it within ourselves, to awaken the resources that might lead to peace and change.
01:16:39.000If we are willing to be tribalised and encamped, then I do not see how we can proceed together.