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00:01:07.000In this video, you're going to see the future.
00:01:20.000Hello there, you awakening wonders, you firewalkers, you peaceniks, you warlords, you people that plainly refuse to follow the prescribed narrative.
00:02:35.000We love him says Synchronicity in the Awaken Wonder chat.
00:02:38.000Listen, I might be being tyrannised by a German Shepherd like it's the mad days of when fascism came in red, white and black and you knew what it was because they were wearing boots but As you know, tyranny looks different these days.
00:04:39.000I've got three kids and I'm trying to participate in a movement that's bringing down the establishment.
00:04:43.000That's why I'm interested in the emergence of a figure like Tucker Carlson as a kind of new... What is he?
00:04:49.000Because he's in Spain now talking about a weird move that's happening politically in Spain where odd alliances are being formed as a result of an inability to form a majority in Spanish parliament where They're giving that Catalan independence party, and I love Barcelona and I love the Catalonian people, but there's some weird stuff going on in Spain.
00:05:09.000Anyway, Tucker has got a real role now.
00:05:12.000What's the next generation of power going to look like?
00:05:15.000Is it going to be figures like Elon Musk?
00:05:17.000Is it going to go beyond the economic?
00:05:18.000Or are we going to see the continued rise of independent media figures?
00:05:23.000Would Vivek be making the waves that he's been making if it were not for independent media?
00:05:27.000Look at Bobby Kennedy, and I know a lot of you, you know, a bit peeved about some of the stuff he said about war, right?
00:05:32.000And, you know, hopefully we'll get the opportunity to talk to him directly about that again soon.
00:05:36.000And would you have figures like Tucker Carlson if independent media was not providing a different type of conversation, a different type of dynamic?
00:05:45.000But let me tell you who the establishment want as one of your next presidents.
00:06:09.000And they're clearing up San Francisco in anticipation of President Xi of China's visit, right?
00:06:17.000You already saw what we posted the other day.
00:06:19.000Loads of people were posting it, that, you know, that before and after they cleansed homelessness from the streets.
00:06:24.000But remember, Like this guy's meant to be one of your sort of woke liberal politicians but look how he talks here about his decision to cleanse San Francisco of homelessness prior to this visit.
00:07:10.000Anyway, we're going to get into more detail about that.
00:07:11.000What I'm fundamentally asking you is, do you think that these figures like Gavin Newsom and those kind of haircut politicians that the neoliberal left are always pushing for?
00:07:21.000You know, like the, our one is Rishi Sunak, there's Trudeau, all of that kind of stuff.
00:07:27.000Do they really care about the stuff they say they do?
00:07:29.000Does Gavin Newsom care about homelessness?
00:07:31.000Watch him talking about cleansing San Francisco's streets like Travis Bickle and ask yourself, does this dude care about homelessness or does he care about the artifice of care?
00:07:43.000He talks about tidying up San Francisco like you're waiting for your in-laws to come over.
00:08:46.000Maybe he sees homeless people as children that have got to be cleansed from the street.
00:08:50.000You would imagine, like, imagine a few years ago if you'd heard, like, oh there was a state visit from the American president to Beijing and China.
00:08:58.000Look at how And China cleansed the streets of all homelessness because to them it's more important to create the impression of cleanliness than cleanliness itself because they live in a propagandist state.
00:09:34.000How many of those homeless people have served in the American military?
00:09:37.000How many of them have mental health issues?
00:09:39.000How many of them have been betrayed by a nation that used them to facilitate, I would say, ultimately an economic globalist unipolar agenda, saying it was patriotism because that was convenient then.
00:09:50.000Then did away with them when it was convenient.
00:09:52.000And if Xi is like, you know, by the way, this is for, like, when else, when you hear about Xi, generally speaking, it's not like, Xi's coming to town.
00:10:08.000And we are suddenly decided we care a great deal about Taiwan because of semiconductors we care about.
00:10:16.000And China, by the way, those bastards.
00:10:19.000Well, Like, why are we tidying up then?
00:10:22.000Why are we even having him over if he's such a bad dictator?
00:10:25.000Look at how Trump is here criticized on MSNBC because he bears, according to this legacy media outlet, what do I want to say?
00:10:35.000He bears comparing to those kind of dictators, but like, no one's mentioning, by the way, Xi's on his own, on his way to San Francisco right now, and we're sweeping up homeless people like they're crisp packets and curlicans.
00:10:48.000His admiration, his deep admiration, his ongoing admiration for the world's authoritarian thugs, his admiration for Chairman Mao, his admiration for President Xi and Vladimir Putin, his intent to turn the government into a weapon of revenge and retribution.
00:11:05.000I mean, this is one of those moments where we have to distinguish between the white noise and the blinking red flares that are going up every time this man speaks.
00:11:16.000Their propaganda, as I said to you, the neoliberal propaganda, it's always sort of pseudo-intellectual metropolitan, you know?
00:11:48.000Even if, in that anti-Trump rant then, they'd said, but also obviously, you know, the Biden family got some pretty dodgy business dealings and you have to acknowledge that promises were made When campaigning that have just simply not been delivered on, for example, making Saudi Arabia a pariah.
00:12:06.000So it's increasingly difficult to condemn Trump for being a centralizing authoritarian, which is what we're doing because of the authoritarian moves of our friend here, currently in office.
00:12:18.000You know, I'm paraphrasing what I would imagine they would say, but here's your friend and mine, Rachel Maddow, talking about Trump being, I think, maybe like Hitler.
00:12:27.000Tonight, here's the headline in the New York Times.
00:12:30.000Quote, accused of echoing fascists, Trump campaign warns its critics will be, quote, crushed.
00:12:37.000The subhead says, quote, the former president likened political opponents to vermin, similar to the dehumanizing rhetoric wielded by dictators like Hitler and Mussolini.
00:12:49.000The Washington Post headline just got there more directly.
00:12:52.000Headline, Trump calls political enemies vermin, echoing dictators Hitler and Mussolini.
00:12:57.000The quote from Trump was this, he said, quote, we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, lie, steal, and cheat on elections and will do anything possible, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and the American dream.
00:13:15.000The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within.
00:13:25.000Have you ever seen when Hillary Clinton says that there are MAGA fascists and baskets of deplorables or when Joe Biden says we have to beware of MAGA extremism and it's the biggest threat to our democracy?
00:13:38.000And haven't we just seen Rachel Maddow saying that like what Trump's gonna do if he gets into office is behave like a dictator?
00:13:44.000It's really Extraordinary set of double standards.
00:13:47.000Where do you get a proper discourse, proper analysis, where the guiding principles and coordinates are actual principles, not the agenda?
00:13:56.000It's okay for us to cleanse San Francisco of homelessness in order to prepare for a visit from President Xi, who elsewhere we condemn Trump for admiring or being liked.
00:14:08.000You see, there is not a consistent narrative because consistent narratives require principles.
00:14:15.000I mean, everybody knows what this means.
00:14:18.000If you know one thing about mass-murdering dictators in history, it's that they refer to the people they want to mass-murder as vermin, pests, rats, and deplorables.
00:14:27.000You know, like, in a way, using language that reduces the validity, humanity, or personhood of any other group seems to be something that this party is completely, or this sort of neoliberal set of interests, is completely willing to do.
00:14:43.000In a minute we're going to be talking about Tucker Carlson.
00:15:03.000And is this emerged because legacy media spaces simply amplify the voices that they support within the institutions of government, which most of us now recognize as being corrupt?
00:15:14.000Remember when we had Greenwald on the show and he said, most people just hate the establishment.
00:15:34.000And you think, well why are these things never asked publicly?
00:15:37.000Why are these things never subject to referenda?
00:15:40.000And the answer is because they know what would happen and that ain't the agenda.
00:15:45.000Here's Hillary Clinton, like right after we've looked at Rachel Maddow sort of saying that like, you know, Trump saying his political opponents are like rats.
00:16:42.000What we have to have is some values and principles that will put us in good stead and help us to transcend this current corrupt and hypocritical space.
00:16:51.000Now, One person who's taken a very peculiar stance on escalating tensions in the Middle East, and this is a divisive issue that's come along at a very interesting time.
00:17:09.000Please end violence wherever possible.
00:17:12.000Please don't fund and support ongoing violence.
00:17:16.000John Bolton, though, He's perspective on escalating tensions with Iran, which Biden is clearly participating in, is causing John Bolton, that dear Colonel Sanders, that guess who card come to life, John Bolton, to be agitated because he's not got a high enough bounty on his head.
00:18:33.000Now, have we become so sick of political advocates and pundits like John Bolton there and figures like Rachel Maddow and Hillary Clinton and all these kind of sort of centralist establishment figures that there are now emerging new voices kind of wandering kings like Tucker Carlson who can be a UFC
00:18:55.000Just one minute as a potential VP to Trump, next minute turning up to address the complexities of Spanish democracy, which appears to be a pretty fractured process currently, is extraordinary.
00:20:21.000I think this is what happens when there's a total lack of integrity and authenticity in media spaces.
00:20:26.000When you get the idea that people like Jen Psaki moved from being White House spokespeople to MSNBC figures, you start to doubt these voices.
00:20:34.000When you see mainstream and legacy media pundits advocating for measures that you know aren't going to be good for you simply because it's amplifying and normalising the agenda of the powerful, people like Tucker Carlson who are willing to make complex points about war will rise up.
00:20:49.000Because I'll tell you what I need, and tell me if you agree with this, yeah all of you say it's changed your opinion on Spain, it could introduce more information.
00:20:58.000Not authority, that's not what I meant.
00:21:00.000Authenticity and integrity more than ever before.
00:21:04.000That's what online independent media grants us more.
00:21:09.000That's the best aspect, I would say, of social media.
00:21:11.000The ability to communicate, The ability for a wide variety of voices and views to be heard, but that is getting continually shut down.
00:21:19.000We live in an age where there is a sort of predetermined, preordained, preselected political class.
00:21:26.000People that have been through the WF, like Rishi Sunak, our current Prime Minister.
00:21:30.000Like Justin Trudeau, Canada's Prime Minister.
00:21:32.000You see these figures cropping up at globalist events continually, and people scoff.
00:21:37.000I don't like the idea that there is some kind of conspiracy, but it is extraordinary.
00:21:41.000What I mean by conspiracy is there are a convergence of interests around global corporate power and interests of dominion that cannot be accessed by democracy.
00:21:50.000That's what I mean, and that there are a bunch of agencies, NGOs, groups like the Clinton Foundation, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, groups like the WHO that are able to exert power over your country and mine that's far beyond anything you could do.
00:22:04.000What you meant to do Get a little ticket like Charlie Bucket and vote for an Oompa Loompa.
00:23:17.000Does that chime with your perspective of the political class that they only serve in office so that they'll get corporate opportunity afterwards?
00:23:24.000So there's a revolving door between Congress or Parliament or whatever and the corporate world.
00:23:30.000That whether it's Obama or George W. Bush, they're funded ultimately by the military-industrial complex and Wall Street and the financial sector.
00:23:38.000Say no if you think I've been at the drowsy drugs again.
00:23:42.000If you want to become an Awake and Wonder, all you gotta do is press the red button, join us in our locals community, get early access to interviews like the one we had with Alex Jones, where I talked to him like a modern-day shaman.
00:23:52.000Like a sort of like Alex Jones lives on the Edgelands.
00:23:55.000That's what I would say about Alex Jones.
00:23:57.000He's got access to interesting information and sometimes he says some crazy things, but think about the number of times Alex Jones has been right.
00:24:03.000You'll see that conversation on Thursday or Friday.
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00:24:10.000We've got Dave Rubin coming on the show a little better.
00:24:14.000And remember, look at now how this Conflagration in the Middle East and its subsequent escalation of concurrent and concomitant or adjacent conflicts is dividing even the consensus that was starting to form in the independent anarcho-libertarian online spaces.
00:24:33.000Extraordinary, fascinating and interesting.
00:24:36.000And I believe we need unity Decentralised, unified fronts, where people with different cultural and political views are willing to form new alliances in order to confront centralised, globalist interests.
00:24:50.000Well, I mean, for example, that the EU has found a way to introduce digital IDs.
00:24:57.000They found a way to do it, and they're soon going to be introducing CBDC, centralized currencies that will be able to be shut down at a moment's notice.
00:25:06.000Now, if you're watching us on YouTube, we're going to leave now, so there's a link in the description.
00:25:11.000Just go down to that little link, sneak over to Rumble, where I can speak more freely.
00:25:16.000Join us there, where we can ask interesting, intelligent questions.
00:25:20.000If you've got a question for Dave Rubin, post it I'm very interested in this move towards centralization and authoritarianism.
00:25:33.000We've investigated it in some depth here.
00:25:36.000Stay with us if you want to ask a question of dear Dave Rubin, our friend, and enjoy this.
00:25:44.000European Parliament has reached a provisional agreement on the establishment of a European digital ID.
00:25:49.000Remember how much they were talking about that in the pandemic?
00:26:59.000We talk a lot about advanced ideas that seem sometimes to be implausible and ridiculous, but after the pandemic period many of us have become more open to the notion that there might be plans to introduce regulatory measures that seem like they're more from science fiction than political fact.
00:27:16.000But the European Parliament have just established in principle the introduction of a Europe-wide digital ID.
00:29:09.000Post-enlightenment, things have been improving more broadly.
00:29:12.000Many of you might be thinking, sensing, feeling deep inside yourself that in conjunction with evident and obvious progress in technology and medicine, there's been a kind of a decline, a deterioration, something that's difficult to define and perhaps exists in the realm of the spirit.
00:29:26.000You'll notice how these ideas were first of all spoken of as, you know, as with any potential scientific or technological project, I suppose, as pie-in-the-sky potentialities.
00:29:35.000And now they're being introduced in quite a gentle way.
00:29:37.000And in the pandemic we discussed, didn't we, the possibility of, like, vaccine passports.
00:29:42.000And I think because of independent media, many of these ideas received a lot of pushback and resistance.
00:29:47.000What I would ask you to be observant of is the possibility that once these ideas are discussed, presented to you, and somewhat normalized by the media, you'll see a bunch of stuff normalizing it in the coming weeks and months, I imagine.
00:29:59.000Let me know in the chat when you see it.
00:30:01.000What will happen is, a situation will occur, and I'm not, this is not a conspiracy theory, I'm not saying that it'll be a false flag event, you know, whatever.
00:30:07.000I'm just saying, because of the way things are, there will be a war.
00:30:10.000there will be a pandemic there will be an event and during that event they're going to say obviously now we're going to have to use that digital id thing we've been discussing and we're going to have to advance that because it's not safe now remember how close we came in the pandemic to you know oh in order to go to concerts you're going to have to have had this medication Now you know that it didn't prevent transmission.
00:30:30.000Now you know, like, there's so many things, you know, I'm not going to rehash all of that stuff now.
00:30:33.000What I'm saying is, is that any measure that ultimately affords centralised authority a greater ability to control you, to control your movements, to control your transactions, to control your finances, is ultimately not going to be in your service.
00:30:46.000That's why I think we live in such a polemicised and conflagratory time, a time of conflict, because most people in the back of their minds think, well, as long as these these measures are only applied to the people I don't like,
00:30:58.000I'm kind of glad. Yeah, I don't mind if you cancel or silence
00:31:01.000those, but I'm never like those people anyway. But once the
00:31:04.000principle is established, it's difficult to predict how it might,
00:31:07.000well it's not difficult to predict, I'm going to predict, it
00:31:08.000will be deployed in order to centralise authority and shut down any
00:31:12.000They always promise us not to make this connection. And even a
00:31:18.000lot of experts, privacy experts and security experts, want also
00:31:23.000last week, this is a very bad idea for our privacy and our The warnings of privacy and cyber security experts is something we'll cover in more detail in a minute but you might notice that yourself you have a kind of lethargy, a kind of inability to confront it, you feel a bit worn out with all of the
00:31:44.000Wars and diseases and this kind of atmosphere of our culture you might be like oh god just do it what can I do anyway?
00:31:51.000You'll happily just accept that your role in a democracy is to choose one of these two basically the same political parties that are funded in the same way.
00:31:59.000I suppose what I'm inviting you to look at is the possibility of confronting and resisting what seems inevitable but is plainly being pointed out as undesirable.
00:32:07.000And still this digital identity is pushed through But it's not too late, because we still have to vote on this in the plenary.
00:32:19.000So what you can do, send your MEP from your member state an email and tell him or tell her that you are against this tool.
00:32:32.000The European Parliament and the majority of the member states reached a provisional agreement on the establishment of the European Digital ID or EID, the first central and fully digital identification system for all Europeans on Thursday.
00:32:45.000Conservative lawmakers and cyber security experts are sounding the alarms, citing concerns for potential large-scale abuse.
00:32:52.000We are taking a fundamental step so that citizens can have a unique and secure European digital identity, Nadia Calvino, the Spanish Minister for Economy and Digitalisation, representing the European Council's Spanish presidency, said.
00:33:05.000When there are ongoing migrant crises, when there are feelings of broad antipathy towards migrants, a digital ID becomes appealing.
00:33:14.000It will be one of the ways that a variety of people will be induced into accepting a continent-wide digital ID.
00:33:21.000Oh, well, otherwise people that shouldn't even be here will be able to have access to.
00:33:26.000They all knew it's going to be for safety.
00:33:28.000They'll use every single trigger there is because of paedophiles.
00:33:31.000Any imaginable, conceivable notion will be used to legitimize it and normalize it.
00:33:53.000Which will contain digital versions of their ID cards, driving licenses, diplomas, medical records and bank account information.
00:34:00.000These documents will be recognised as means to access online services throughout Europe and citizens will be able to prove their identity or share electronic documents from their wallets with a click of a button, the legislators hope.
00:34:28.000Remember, we've already had instances where people's bank accounts have been shut down, whether that's the Canadian truckers.
00:34:34.000We've already had instances where people's movements are monitored and controlled.
00:34:39.000Is that a capacity that you want to increase without due regulation and legislation?
00:34:43.000Notice it's taking place as well in a broad climate of censure and legislation to prohibit free speech.
00:34:49.000Notice that there's been a 180 on the efficacy and value of CBDCs that initially they were dismissed.
00:34:55.000Now it's like, oh no, they are a good idea actually, thinking about it, because we could switch people off financially.
00:34:59.000It's important to consider how these things might be used and whether or not they're going to be accompanied with legislation that meaningfully prevents them from being exploited.
00:35:08.000Just look at the 702 bill that's being perpetuated in the USA now, which was introduced for counter-terrorism measures, that's never really gone away and is used essentially to spy on American citizens.
00:35:18.000Critics, however, see the EID as a building block of a coming European digital surveillance state.
00:35:23.000A way for the EU and any government to hold all of their citizens' personal information and track their every move.
00:35:42.000The agreement was reached just days after 504 privacy and cyber security experts from 39 countries signed a joint letter strongly warning about the pitfalls of the legislation as it fails to properly respect the right to privacy of citizens and secure online communications.
00:35:57.000The researchers and academics concluded that instead of protecting personal data, the current text substantially increases the potential for harm, both by rogue actors and government abuse.
00:36:07.000Curious that that potential would exist.
00:36:09.000Naturally, the Commission does not plan to stop at EIDs.
00:36:12.000Another major plan that's currently in the works is the Digital Euro, Europe's future central bank issued digital currency, CBDC, currently in early development phase by the European Central Bank.
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00:37:07.000Critics who warn about total government control of citizens' personal finances through programmable money have long been saying that EIDs will be the first step toward an economy run on CBDCs.
00:37:18.000Internal market commissioner Thierry Breton has now even confirmed this as one of the main goals of the new legislation.
00:37:25.000Thierry Breton may have come to your attention with these weird bureaucratic gangster threats towards people like Elon Musk.
00:37:31.000I'm giving Elon Musk 24 hours to obey.
00:37:33.000He'll do as I say or he'll face Thierry Breton's consequences.
00:39:11.000Once that's operating in conjunction with the WHO's treaty in the event of another pandemic, and pandemics can include all sorts of things that go beyond what you might think is a pandemic, including stuff like climate change, I'm just citing from the documentation, that means they'll be able to censor online content, they'll be able to track you wherever you're going, can you sort of see where this is heading?
00:39:29.000And see how people that sounded like mad prophetic conspiracy theorists, giddy shaming of a technological age just a few years ago, essentially were telling us plain truths in strange accents.
00:39:41.000They can decide what data they want to store and share for now.
00:39:47.000Don't matter if you're a builder, a fisherman or that lady doing her work.
00:40:08.000Like, they're talking as if there's not been, like, massive problems with data hacking, data filing, huge swathes of data around the world being stored just so they've got it for when they need it.
00:40:19.000It's all this just upbeat selling of total dystopia.
00:40:22.000I'm convinced now that's what it looks like.
00:40:24.000It doesn't look like military uniforms.
00:40:27.000It doesn't sound like jackboots marching down a street no more.
00:43:04.000We crashed out of that video presentation just then, which we will post on Rumble in the next, you know, at the end of this show, we'll post it, because we have to be respectful of the time of my next guest, friend of the show, Co-Rumble creator.
00:44:32.000Happy endings for everybody in my conference room, but your room is just a small room for a foot massage, that's it.
00:44:38.000That's all we can get away with in that amount of space, Dave.
00:44:42.000Dave, when we transfer over on to locals, we'll talk about how this current escalating crisis in the Middle East has divided even the apparently unified space of, let's call it, the online libertarian right for One of a simpler phrase, but until we're on locals, got a whole bunch of other questions.
00:45:03.000Like Blessed Old Bird wants to know, how was ARC?
00:45:07.000You know, you'd participate in Jordan Peterson's ARC Festival?
00:45:35.000I know you were busy with a couple of things, but it was so great to have.
00:45:38.000It was 1,500 invited guests for the first three days.
00:45:42.000So, you know, there were politicians and heads of state and then, you know, media guys like us and there were comedians It was just like a mix of just interesting people from all over, quite literally all over the globe, I think 73 countries and every walk of life and all sorts of different political stripes.
00:45:58.000But the basic idea was, what is a better story that all of us, whether you're in Great Britain, whether you're in the United States or you're in Spain, that the story of the West Has just disappeared.
00:46:09.000We don't know how to defend freedom anymore.
00:46:22.000And we did three days of talks and I had a studio outside just right outside the main room.
00:46:27.000So I interviewed about 20 people and it was sort of a greatest hits of the years of my show because so many people from Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Brett Weinstein and Jay Bhattacharya and just all the long list of people that I've interviewed is just great.
00:46:39.000And then I'm telling you, Russell, if you have not seen it yet, Jordan gave the best speech I have ever heard in my life.
00:46:48.000You know, I toured with this guy for about 120 shows in 2018.
00:46:52.000It was the best speech he has ever given to close that thing where he took, it was like, it was like Mr. Jordan's opus.
00:46:59.000He took every bit of Of everything that he has been working on as a clinical psychologist, as now I would say a great political thinker, as a religious scholar, I think it's fair to call him that.
00:47:11.000He put all the pieces together and talked about the concept of Jacob's Ladder, that basically, that you as a human being, it is your divine duty To build the best life for yourself, because if you do that, and you act good as a husband, and a father, and as a member of your community, you can literally build Jacob's Ladder up, up to the divine.
00:47:34.000And it was the most wonderful, I mean, I'm not kidding you, when I tell you 1,500 people, I don't think there was a dry eye in the room.
00:47:51.000And I feel like, Jordan Peterson, perhaps due to technology, perhaps due to the way that the culture is fragmenting and fracturing, and perhaps those phenomena, of course, inextricably linked anyway, i.e.
00:48:03.000technology has led to more fissuring in the culture, presumed spaces that you once would have called a red state or a blue state.
00:48:11.000You realize there's more complexity to that and Right up until this conflict it seemed to me that there was sort of a new emergent movement, new alliances, where people that you might have once thought of as traditional liberals or even left-wing were finding new alliances with people that were more broadly right-wing.
00:48:27.000And I want to talk about, or I want to ask you actually, figures like Jordan Peterson, In a sense, he wouldn't have risen to the position of prominence that he is in now without the way that media has altered.
00:48:39.000Take also, perhaps a more obvious example, Tucker Carlson, who earlier when we talked about his current visit to Spain and him showing up at a UFC event, he's kind of akin to a king without a kingdom or principality currently.
00:48:56.000He has an incredible amount of Power and influence.
00:48:59.000I wonder what you think of these figures like Peterson and Tucker Carlson with Elon Musk.
00:49:04.000I suppose it's slightly distinct because his power is alloyed to great wealth and to measurable and observable power.
00:49:11.000But what does it say about the political voices, you know, figures that would once have been considered leaders, that these new kind of sovereigns are emerging?
00:49:20.000Joe Rogan, another great example, Do you think this is because of the way technology has changed or do you think it's the way that our cultural life has changed, that there are new people in positions of power and prominence?
00:49:48.000Look at the way the system has been treating you, and it's only because you've become one of those voices.
00:49:53.000They're all kind of different in their own way.
00:49:54.000You know, Jordan, I would say Jordan is a modern prophet, and I really believe that.
00:50:00.000You don't have to believe it in the strict biblical sense of a prophet, but you actually could.
00:50:05.000But Jordan is able to communicate really deep, Existential and eternally important ideas in a way that clearly millions of people across the world have been looking for and could not find a way that they could hear them in a way that would make sense.
00:50:21.000So this guy has been touring the world now, going all over the globe for a couple years, selling out massive theaters, telling people deep messages of truth that they have needed.
00:50:32.000So that's one version on the Jordan side.
00:50:35.000The Tucker side is that he has been telling people politically that the machine is not in it for you.
00:50:42.000And it's interesting with Tucker because he did it from inside the machine for a long time.
00:50:46.000Tucker, as he says often, he's been fired from a million places.
00:50:51.000I'm pretty sure he worked at MSNBC, he worked at CNN, he worked at Fox, he's had a couple other gigs along the way.
00:50:58.000And then he started saying a bunch of things, and it doesn't mean he's right about everything,
00:51:03.000but the core of what Tucker's idea is, is that there is a structure that exists,
00:51:08.000a political structure, and in America we've kind of got the Democrats
00:51:29.000He is the renaissance man of our time.
00:51:32.000And yet for some crazy reason, he decided to get into the free speech fight too, because he realized, man, we're not going to get off this rock.
00:51:41.000Meaning this planet and get to Mars and all the other stuff that he really cares about, interplanetary travel and all that, unless we figure out some of the problems here, because we're going to end up blowing ourselves apart here.
00:51:50.000So then he buys Twitter for $44 billion, a company that hasn't made a dime in over a decade.
00:51:56.000I mean, it purges money, and he bought it for $44 billion.
00:51:59.000Rogan has done sort of what you and I both do.
00:52:39.000The guy was making 20 million bucks a year and he was jealous of me in my little garage in the Valley in LA.
00:52:45.000And all I was doing, Was just trying to talk it out with people.
00:52:49.000That's gotten increasingly difficult, as you know, because the sides are kind of going their own way.
00:52:54.000But I would say what brings all these people roughly kind of together is basically the quest for truth.
00:53:02.000It's trying to get to something that is not lowest common denominator, that is not just bludgeoning us and making us all subservient to the system.
00:53:11.000It's just Some hope that we can solve some of these problems.
00:53:16.000I don't know that we can solve some of these problems, but I think it's the hope that brings all of us, the guys that watch you, make sense of what's going on here, and you hit the media in such a beautiful way.
00:53:26.000That moment you had with Bill Maher a couple months ago, I played it on my show 20 times, because it's such a perfect example of how you expose the frauds, and it's just because you're on the quest for truth, and just like me, I would say Rogan and the other guys.
00:53:41.000It's like, you don't know everything, but you're damn well going to try, and people appreciate that.
00:53:46.000It seems a lot of it is about authenticity and integrity, and that's certainly something that we'll discuss when we're going to go over to locals in a minute.
00:54:02.000It was quite valuable in the creation of Locals, another one of my inventions.
00:54:07.000This kind of integrity and authenticity, when we get over there, we'll talk about the complexity of this current Middle Eastern conflict and how it's caused division and hate, even with people that are not directly ideologically or religiously involved.
00:54:22.000That seemed to be something that was being surmounted elsewhere.
00:54:26.000There was just a kind of an anti-establishment movement that seemed to be gaining momentum that now is starting to fracture in ways that sort of concern me, actually.
00:54:36.000But when it comes to what the independent media is able to do brilliantly, and perhaps why, you know, the people you've just listed have gained the territory and credibility that they have, is because when it comes to a story like the Nord Stream pipeline, when that happened a couple of years ago, whenever it was, Many people thought Russia didn't do that.
00:54:52.000The US have been talking about blowing up that pipeline, how it's vital to American interests.
00:54:58.000It was really clear that it would be some kind of project between Ukraine and the USA.
00:55:04.000Now evidence is emerging that that is the case.
00:55:07.000Will we see it reported on in a way that legitimately serves as a mere culpa and a genuine update?
00:55:14.000Like, oh look, the Nord Stream pipeline, it was Ukraine.
00:55:18.000And as, I suppose, as enthusiasm, shall we call it, for that conflict wanes, will we
00:55:24.000similarly see figures in the media that have advocated for that war, advocated for the
00:55:30.000ongoing funding of that war, acknowledge that it has not been successful in the way it is
00:55:37.000You can't do pipeline stuff if you can, Dave.
00:55:39.000Yeah, well, as I say on my show all the time, I mean, the truth is a time-release pill these
00:55:43.000The thing is, you can't hide the truth.
00:55:45.000But one of the things that the corporate press did for a long time, before the internet, was they could basically set the agenda.
00:55:52.000You know, the Overton window was opened up in a very narrow way, and they could Pretty much tell you what was true.
00:55:57.000So, you know, from an American perspective, at 630 p.m.
00:56:01.000we had NBC News, CBS News, ABC News, and you only watched one or the other depending on whether you happen to like Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings or Dan Rather.
00:56:11.000And they basically covered the same amount of stuff.
00:56:13.000Then the internet comes, it blows everything up, Now you have all of these voices.
00:56:18.000Now it puts a lot of pressure on guys like us to kind of do something true because your integrity is attached to it.
00:56:24.000But the Nord Stream story is a perfect example of this because you can go back to all of my videos.
00:56:29.000We didn't cover it that much, but the entire time I was like, I'm pretty sure Russia didn't blow up their own pipe.
00:56:36.000And we're going to have to find out more about this.
00:56:39.000And oh, yes, there is video of Joe Biden saying that that thing will never be functional.
00:56:43.000So do you think that maybe the US or Ukraine had a little something to do with it?
00:56:48.000So why is it that a guy like me, who I'm not an expert in, you know, geopolitical energy sector, why is it that I'm skeptical when I hear a story about that?
00:56:57.000Why is that when the Hunter Biden laptop story came out, I was like, wait a minute, I'm I'm pretty sure there's something here.
00:57:03.000It doesn't feel like Russian misinformation.
00:57:06.000Why is it that I didn't fall for Donald Trump, very fine people on both sides?
00:57:10.000And the media kept playing a clip of him saying, there's very fine people on both sides, but the next sentence out of his mouth is, uh, but that, but I totally condemn the neo Nazis and the racists.
00:57:19.000Like, why is it that a certain set of people fall for everything every single time?
00:57:25.000And then a couple of us, And by the way, I'm not saying I'm some freaking genius.
00:57:29.000I'm just a little skeptical of the machine.
00:57:33.000And again, that's what's kind of driving people to us.
00:57:35.000So no, I am not surprised that we are now hearing that there was some Ukrainian involvement, which most likely means there was American involvement.
00:57:42.000And the question is, how long does it take for that to bubble up to the top?
00:57:47.000I would also say it's sort of like, you know, Biden's mental capacity at this point.
00:57:51.000Everyone knows there's something wrong with him.
00:57:54.000I was talking about it when he was running for president.
00:57:57.000But you can see it's just bubbling up to mainstream now because now they're starting to worry that he's going to lose the election.
00:58:03.000So they're like trying to tease it a little bit.
00:58:07.000You're allowed to kind of talk about it on CNN now in case they have to do something crazy and get rid of him before the election.
00:58:13.000Yeah, I suppose the same was true during the pandemic, where there was just nothing but absolute bombast, unrelenting propaganda, and then slowly now, over time, okay, the AstraZeneca one, we'll give you that, okay, Pfizer released a drug that wasn't the one they clinically trialled, Yeah, that indemnity thing was a crazy move.
00:58:35.000Like, slowly now, almost in a way, it seems like, I suppose, I suppose all propaganda is about managing the consciousness of the populace, giving information in a way that does not generate uprising.
00:58:49.000And I, you know, I guess one of the things we'll talk about, Dave, when we go on to locals is, is there a component of the escalation of geopolitical conflicts in the Middle East that's Playing a comparable role, calling division, legitimizing censorship, creating tension where there was starting to be consensus.
00:59:08.000A conversation we'll have in a second.
00:59:12.000If you're with us on Rumble, and I see you there, I see all you guys, I want to let you know that Alex Jones, a two-parter, are on Thursday and Friday this week.
00:59:21.000If you want to watch it right away, press the red button and join us on Locals that I invented.
00:59:25.000And you can join me and Dave Rubin for a conversation right now, as well as early access to interviews, readings of the Bible and other religious books, talk about new solutions, where we might critique the problem over here, we talk about solutions over there, and I want to welcome some of our new members like Ben Roman, Annonymous, Ryan636, Bela, Nadia Burr, Dawn, Alan, thank you for joining us on Locals.
00:59:46.000And why don't the rest of you join us on Locals right now, where I'm going to be asking Dave how this Middle Eastern conflict has caused division, has created new cries for censorship and has created, I think, even beyond the people that are directly involved in this terrible tragedy,