Two mass shootings rock the nation, the media and Democrats blame Trump, and our social fabric continues to disintegrate. We need to start from the premise that when Americans die, an act of evil, that we are all on the same page. This is a cancer, and as it turns out, it is a very specific type of evil: white supremacist evil. And we must all be part of the problem, because we're all in the same problem. And if you disagree about one or the other, that does not mean that one and two are invalid. And finally, if you suggest that our disagreements about policy are reflective of our disagreements, that is not true, and you're just reflective of your sympathies for evil, then you're part of this problem. You're not just a sympathizer for evil - you're a supporter of evil. Ben Shapiro's thoughts and analysis on the El Paso and Dayton shootings, the Chicago shooting, and the Virginia Tech shooting, as well as a call to action against white supremacists and the alt-right terrorists responsible for these acts of senseless violence and the white supremacist white supremacists responsible for them, and what we need to do about it. - The Ben Shapiro Show, wherever you get your news and opinions from the left and right, and wherever you can get your thoughts and opinions, is a must-listen to the Ben Shapiro show. If you like what you hear, tweet me and let me know what you thought of this episode! if you have any thoughts or opinions on what you think of what you would like to hear from Ben Shapiro on this episode. or your thoughts on this topic! - Timestamps: - What do you would you'd like to see me say about this episode? - Ben Shapiro: - tweet me in the next episode of the show? or - what do you think about it? - or any other podcast you're tired of the way the media or other people are saying about this topic? or are you think we should be doing more of what I should be talking about this? ? - your thoughts or your views on this week's episode - or thoughts on it? & your opinions on the other side of the country should be getting a chance to be included in the show - and your thoughts about it?? - and I'll be listening to this episode next week - and we'll be posting them on the next one?
00:00:44.000We have to get very specific about what exactly caused each of these shootings, who is to blame, what we do about it, and all of the rest.
00:00:50.000So we begin today with the shooting that everybody is obviously talking about the most, and that is the shooting that happened in El Paso over the weekend.
00:00:57.000According to NBC News, a gunman opened fire Saturday in a Walmart and around a nearby shopping mall in El Paso, Texas, leaving 20 people dead and 26 injured, law enforcement officials said.
00:01:07.000In delivering an updated number of deceased, Governor Greg Abbott called it one of the most deadly days in the history of Texas.
00:01:12.000He said 20 innocent people from El Paso have lost their lives.
00:01:16.000It's an unbelievable number and it's just absolutely horrifying.
00:01:20.000One of the big problems with the country right now is that when something truly terrible happens to the country, If you go on social media, if you talk with people around the country, not in person, but you just do it via social media or on the internet, very often the first thing that happens is everybody doubting everybody else's motives.
00:01:37.000We need to start from the premise that when Americans die, an act of evil, that we're all on the same page.
00:01:47.000This is an act of absolute monstrous evil, and as it turns out, very specific type of evil, white supremacist evil.
00:01:54.000And let me tell you, the white supremacists who are on the move right now, these absolute loser, evil pieces of human debris who are active on 4chan and 8chan, the people who are coordinating to create the impetus for attacks like this to murder innocent people.
00:02:15.000And I've been seeing a lot of people who are on the left doing this routine, where when people on the right say this sort of stuff, they, well, where were you?
00:02:38.000And the attempt to play politics with this, to pretend that people aren't sincere in their opposition to white supremacy because they disagree with you about policy, is disgusting.
00:02:47.000Because the fact is, white supremacists are evil.
00:02:51.000I've been fighting them personally for years.
00:02:54.000I've expended hundreds of thousands of my own dollars on security because of the attacks that I have leveled against white supremacists.
00:03:00.000Three months ago, the FBI arrested a white supremacist for attempting to kill my family and me.
00:03:04.000So I'm fully aware of the white supremacist and how evil they are.
00:03:07.000I've been writing about it for years on end.
00:03:09.000Some of us have been part of this fight for quite a while.
00:03:11.000And we should all be part of this fight.
00:03:13.000Obviously, white supremacy is not only evil, it's anti-American, it's disgusting, it's a cancer that must be rooted out.
00:03:21.000And again, this is not something that I am new to saying.
00:03:23.000This is something that many of us on the right have been saying for quite a while, and for the media to pretend that's not the truth, as we'll see, is just a lie, and a vicious lie, and a politically driven vicious lie.
00:03:36.000One, We all mourn when something like what happened in El Paso happens.
00:03:41.000Two, every person of decent heart thinks that white supremacy is a grave evil that must be fought and facedown and destroyed and eradicated.
00:03:50.000We're all on the same page about that.
00:03:52.000And three, just because we disagree about politics does not mean that one and two are invalid.
00:03:57.000And finally, four, if you suggest that three is not true, that our disagreements about policy, are reflective, not of different ideas about the best possible solutions, but they're reflective of sympathies for evil, then you are part of the problem.
00:04:11.000You're part of the problem in the country.
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00:05:27.000Okay, so to get back to this white supremacist terror attack that happened, and again, this is not the first.
00:05:33.000This happened at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh just a few weeks ago.
00:05:36.000That was the white supremacist terror attack.
00:05:38.000There was the white supremacist terror attack in Christchurch.
00:05:41.000There's the white supremacist, there've been white supremacist terror attacks Of recent vintage going back to 2015 during the Charleston massacre inside a church.
00:05:50.000But obviously white supremacy has a long history in the United States going all the way back to before the Civil War and the ownership of black folks.
00:05:57.000And what we saw yesterday from white supremacists, or on Saturday, was obviously a grave act of white supremacist evil.
00:06:04.000Law enforcement sources said that police identified the suspect.
00:06:07.000Now, we on this show and on my website, Daily Wire, we refuse to identify suspects by name because we don't want to glorify them.
00:06:13.000We don't want to glorify what they do because studies tend to show that there's a clustering effect that happens when you pay a lot of attention to the specific person and make them prominent and make them famous.
00:06:21.000It's one of the things that they want.
00:06:23.000So we don't mention their names here on the show.
00:06:25.000Multiple senior law enforcement officials believe that this shooter posted a screed online just prior to the attack.
00:06:31.000They say investigators are examining a posting they suspect is from him, and then they eventually, basically, confirmed it.
00:06:39.000Okay, so this person released a manifesto.
00:06:41.000Now, I'm not going to read this person's manifesto for the same reason that I'm not going to mention his name.
00:06:45.000Because I don't believe, just as with the Christchurch manifesto, that we should be reposting these manifestos and giving them airplay.
00:06:52.000I will, however, point out a couple of things about the manifesto specifically because they're going to come up in what we discuss.
00:06:58.000As this guy's motives because as we will see the media were firmly fixed on putting this one on President Trump on suggesting that the shooting was directly the fault of President Trump and his rhetoric and his unwillingness to separate off supposed unwillingness to separate off from white supremacists.
00:07:15.000The Walmart shooter manifesto suggested a couple of things.
00:07:18.000One, this person suggested they support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto.
00:07:23.000That means that the Christchurch manifesto has now been directly linked to three separate attacks.
00:07:27.000There's this one, as well as the Tree of Life synagogue shooting, as well as the Christchurch shooting, obviously.
00:07:35.000And this is an agglomeration of white supremacist memes about an invasion of our country.
00:07:40.000This is some of the language that people are picking up on, is that this attacker, this evil piece of debris, who should be executed at the first available opportunity.
00:07:51.000He suggests that this is a response to a quote-unquote Hispanic invasion of Texas, as we'll see.
00:07:56.000This is then used by the media to suggest that anybody who is opposed to illegal immigration is in league with white supremacy, which is just disgusting and a lie.
00:08:04.000The person goes on to talk about how if America allows increasing Hispanic population, then America will become a one-party state, the Democratic Party.
00:08:14.000And this, of course, is used as an excuse to suggest that all Republicans agree with white supremacists about immigration, which, of course, is, again, a lie.
00:08:22.000And then this shooter goes on to discuss how there are many Republicans who are pro-corporation, meaning pro-immigration, but those aren't the real defenders of America.
00:08:33.000This person says immigration can only be detrimental to the future of America.
00:08:36.000And then this person goes on to talk about the environment.
00:08:40.000Now, that part is being ignored by the media, obviously, because environmentalism tends to be an affect of the left, whereas immigration restrictionism tends to be a right-wing thing these days.
00:08:51.000The shooter suggests our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country.
00:08:54.000This is creating a massive burden for future generations.
00:08:59.000And then finally, this person suggests at the very end, in what is inconvenience to the narrative that President Trump is the cause of all of this, the person suggests at the very end that this has nothing to do with President Trump.
00:09:09.000Says that his ideology has not changed for several years.
00:09:12.000Says my opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president.
00:09:16.000I put this here because some people will blame the president or certain presidential candidates for the attack.
00:10:00.000Police have said they don't think it was targeted discrimination because of the short timeline of the massacre.
00:10:06.000This shooter was killed by police in approximately 30 seconds after he opened fire with a .223 caliber rifle on innocent revelers enjoying a Saturday night out at 1 a.m.
00:10:16.000The shooter's high school principal told the Dayton Daily News that the Ohio shooter was suspended from school for writing a hit list on a bathroom wall, sparking a lockdown.
00:10:25.000So there have been some serious red flags about this, again, evil piece of debris, this evil piece of debris.
00:10:34.000Politics were very different from the first Evil Piece of Debris's politics.
00:10:38.000Heavy.com uncovered a bunch of information about this person.
00:10:43.000That information includes the fact that he said he would happily vote for Elizabeth Warren, praise Satan, said he was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, retweeted a bunch of folks who are sort of political pundits and video cutters on the left.
00:10:59.000I'll not wait for idiots to finally come round to understanding So this person is obviously of the left.
00:11:06.000Tweeted out things like vote blue for God's sake.
00:11:08.000Tweeted out videos from prominent people on the left.
00:11:12.000Now, as I have said, this has been my position on every one of these shootings going all the way back to a Bernie Sanders-backing Democrat who decided to shoot up congressional members at a congressional baseball game, or all the way back to a quasi-member of Black Lives Matter shooting up Dallas police officers back in 2015.
00:11:31.000I've said for a long time, politicians and political pundits are not responsible for violence unless they actively call for violence.
00:12:25.000We cannot adjudicate whether language is inciting By the effect that it has on folks with what we would call in tort law, eggshell skulls.
00:12:36.000We cannot judge whether a reasonable person would be incited by a piece of language based on what an unreasonable outlier does that is violent or evil.
00:12:45.000Now again, that doesn't make the language right.
00:13:06.000That is not the same thing as inciting violence.
00:13:08.000And if we fail to make that distinction, we're going to end up in a really dark place in which we are calling on government to shut down free speech, in which we suggest that our political opponents are actually engaged in violence, when in actuality they're engaged in language that makes the country worse and is bad, no question, but that does not actually incite violence.
00:13:25.000We'll get to more of this in a second, because it turns out that there were some more shootings over the weekend as well.
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00:14:40.000So again, I want to give you all the facts of the shootings themselves, and then we'll get into the reaction, which has been terrible pretty much across the board.
00:14:49.000So the final shootings that happen were, of course, the shootings that happen nearly every weekend in the city of Chicago that we are supposed to ignore and which the media certainly will ignore.
00:14:58.000So you have 20 dead in El Paso, and that, of course, deserves as much media attention And then we have nine dead in Dayton, Ohio, and that, of course, deserves as much media attention as it's getting.
00:15:08.000And then we have seven killed and 46 wounded in weekend shootings in Chicago.
00:15:12.000And this happens nearly every weekend in Chicago.
00:15:15.000And this, of course, will get no attention.
00:15:16.000According to CBS, dozens of people were shot in Chicago over the weekend, including two mass shootings in less than three hours on Sunday.
00:15:22.000In all, seven people were killed, 46 others were wounded in shootings since Friday evening, more than a dozen people were wounded, one of them fatally, in a pair of mass shootings in the Lawndale neighborhood early on Sunday.
00:15:33.000Apparently these were just dispute-related, possibly gang-related.
00:15:38.000It is unclear exactly what the cause of it was.
00:15:41.000So because the media tend to look into causes in order to generate narratives, They're going to cover the Chicago shootings, not at all.
00:15:52.000They will cover the Ohio shootings a little bit more, but not much more, because the Ohio shootings, again, were perpetrated by somebody who was on the political left and probably suffered from some sort of mental illness.
00:16:04.000And then there's the white supremacist shooting in El Paso, Texas, and that's going to drive nearly all the media coverage this week, which does show the disparity in how seriously the media actually take gun violence in the country.
00:16:14.000And the fact is that what happens in Chicago is much more typical of gun violence in the United States.
00:16:21.000That is much more typical than what happened in Dayton, Ohio or what happened in El Paso.
00:16:25.000But the media are going to focus in on what happened in El Paso because the fact is that that backs a particular narrative.
00:16:30.000That narrative is that America is filled with white supremacists and that President Trump has forwarded all of that.
00:16:35.000And so you're going to see a vast disparity between the amount of coverage on the Ohio shooter And his politics?
00:16:43.000And you're gonna see virtually no coverage of what happens in Chicago nearly every weekend.
00:16:46.000So for folks who say they take gun violence seriously, the answer is, if you're only taking what happened in El Paso seriously, but you're ignoring Ohio, and more than that, you're ignoring Chicago, you're not taking gun violence seriously.
00:16:56.000It's possible you're taking white supremacy seriously, and that, of course, deserves to be taken seriously on its own terms.
00:17:02.000But let's be honest about what exactly it is that we are taking seriously, and what is the narrative that is being performed.
00:17:07.000Now, we should take all of these things seriously.
00:17:27.000So it's not state-sponsored, for example, white supremacism.
00:17:30.000But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be opening the floodgates on the sort of resources that we use on terrorism to be used against white supremacism.
00:17:38.000Those boards, the 8chan boards, the 4chan boards, I've been saying for years at this point that I hope the feds are monitoring those places.
00:17:46.000They should be monitoring those places.
00:17:47.000This is where the incipient violence is happening.
00:17:50.000We, of course, should be unleashing all of the resources available to us on a law enforcement basis to fight this, and on a cultural basis.
00:17:57.000We should be calling out white supremacism wherever we see it.
00:18:00.000We should be shouting from the rooftops about how evil this stuff is.
00:19:51.000Okay, but they do not hold to the same standard with regard to President Trump that they do with regard to other politicians.
00:19:57.000So Bernie Sanders is not responsible for the congressional baseball shooting.
00:20:00.000Elizabeth Warren is not responsible for what happened in Ohio.
00:20:03.000Barack Obama is not responsible for what happened in Dallas.
00:20:06.000But President Trump is responsible for what happened in El Paso, according to the esteemed members of our media.
00:20:10.000And it doesn't matter that even at Charlottesville, where Trump came under heavy criticism from people like me for not being sufficient in his condemnation of all of the people who are marching in that tiki torch ceremony on Friday night, on that Friday night.
00:20:24.000Where President Trump said there are good people on both sides, and he did not mean of the Confederate flag debate.
00:20:58.000And as we'll see, members of the media are now claiming that anybody who supports him is responsible for what happened at the Tree of Life Synagogue or what happened in El Paso, Texas.
00:21:06.000And that is disgusting, it's egregious, it's cynical, and it's obvious.
00:21:19.000Not with the people who are trying to pin this on President Trump, of course.
00:21:22.000President Trump went on and he suggested that this is not a gun problem, this is a mental illness and hate problem.
00:21:28.000Which, again, I think is obviously true, considering there are something like 300, 400 million guns in the United States, and these shootings are carried out by lone individuals, not by vast waves of individuals across the country.
00:21:40.000We must reform our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence and make sure those people not only get treatment, but when necessary, involuntary confinement.
00:21:58.000Mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun.
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00:23:16.000Okay, so President Trump continues along these lines.
00:23:18.000He says that our nation is overcome with shock, horror, and sorrow, which obviously is true.
00:23:23.000Fellow Americans, this morning, our nation is overcome with shock, horror, and sorrow.
00:23:30.000This weekend, more than 80 people were killed or wounded in two evil attacks.
00:23:37.000Okay, and then the president went on to talk about what he wanted to do about it.
00:23:41.000He directed the DOJ to propose legislation putting the death penalty on white supremacists who commit terror attacks.
00:23:49.000Today, I'm also directing the Department of Justice to propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the death penalty and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay.
00:24:11.000Okay, and then Trump called on everybody to set aside partisanship and move forward with some common solutions.
00:24:18.000Now is the time to set destructive partisanship aside, so destructive, and find the courage to answer hatred with unity, devotion, and love.
00:24:44.000But as we will see, as we will see, what's actually happening is is something truly ugly in the country, and that is an attempt To not only blame Trump for what happened in El Paso, but to suggest that anyone who agrees with anything Trump has done policy-wise is responsible for the mass shooting of innocents.
00:25:52.000You did not incite violence unless you called for violence.
00:25:55.000However, inflammatory language can boil the pot to the point that there's bubbles jumping out of the pot.
00:26:02.000That there are sparks that are jumping out from beneath the pot.
00:26:05.000And as the heat, as the rhetoric turns up, The inevitable side effect is going to be that there are people with eggshell skulls who go out and do stuff.
00:26:13.000That does not mean that the people who are speaking in inflammatory but non-inciting terms are responsible for the incitement.
00:26:20.000It does mean that you can expect that things are going to get worse in the country, both in terms of violence and in terms of politics, when we scream at each other and yell at each other and blame each other for incidents like this.
00:26:32.000And when we don't all speak out forcefully against evil when we see it.
00:26:36.000It is the responsibility, the sheer and absolute responsibility of every decent human being in the United States to shout out, to cry out about the evils of white supremacy, to target white supremacy, to cut it out amongst your friends.
00:26:52.000Now I doubt how there are many people in my audience who have friends who are white supremacists.
00:27:17.000So in any case, one of the other things that happens, and this is not going to make anything better, is the attempt to lump in everyone who disagrees with you with a class of people who want to commit violence against others.
00:27:28.000Because what that really does is it suggests that anybody who you disagree with is an enemy to be fought.
00:27:33.000Because if we believe that white supremacism is a cancer, and then you label anyone you disagree with a white supremacist, what you're saying is that everyone you disagree with is part of the cancer.
00:27:42.000So this starts off over the weekend with various Democratic politicians campaigning for president, blaming Trump for the shootings in a way that nobody has ever blamed Barack Obama, nor should they, for the shooting of police officers in Dallas.
00:27:54.000Nobody's ever blamed Bernie Sanders for the shooting of Congress people, elected Congress people, at a congressional baseball game in Virginia.
00:28:02.000Rightly, people have not blamed Bernie Sanders for that.
00:28:05.000People are not blaming Elizabeth Warren for the Ohio shooting, as they should not.
00:28:08.000People are not blaming members of the media who are retweeted.
00:28:12.000By this Ohio shooter for all of this, as they should not.
00:28:17.000Again, I'll rip his language as much as the next, more than the next guy, okay?
00:28:20.000I've spent my career doing it for the last several years.
00:28:22.000When the president is, when Trump is wrong and when he says something vile, I say that he is wrong and says something vile.
00:28:27.000That is not the same thing as doing what folks on the left are doing, which are, I mean, Beto O'Rourke went out there and said that Trump is a white nationalist or white supremacist.
00:28:36.000The best evidence of any of this, the worst you can say about Trump, is that he has failed to adequately condemn white supremacy and the alt-right.
00:28:44.000And I think that for 2015, 2016, that was true.
00:28:46.000I don't think that that is true for 2018, 2019.
00:29:05.000If you are President Trump and you say that the news is fake news because they tolerate garbage like this, Then you're very bad and you're attacking the press.
00:29:12.000But if Beto O'Rourke says that Fox News is responsible for mass shootings in El Paso, that is not an attack on the press, that is just him being a rational, reasonable human being.
00:29:20.000Here's Beto O'Rourke, desperate for attention, and saying something truly awful.
00:29:23.000This president is encouraging greater racism, and not just the racist rhetoric, but the violence that so often follows.
00:29:32.000Do you think President Trump is a white nationalist?
00:29:36.000And again, from some of the record that I just recited to you, the things that he has said, both as a candidate and then as the President of the United States, this cannot be open for debate.
00:29:51.000He is saying that some people are inherently defective or dangerous, reminiscent of something that you might hear in the Third Reich, not something that you expect in the United States of America.
00:30:01.000He is an open, avowed racist and is encouraging more racism in this country.
00:30:17.000Either he honestly thinks this, in which case he is disturbed, or he does not believe this, in which case he is a cynical politician desperate for attention.
00:30:29.000I don't think that he really believes that Trump is a white nationalist.
00:30:34.000He may believe that Trump is insensitive on race.
00:30:36.000He may believe that deep down Trump is a racist.
00:30:39.000By calling him a white nationalist, somebody who wants to get all the brown and black people out of the country, there is no evidence, like none, no evidence of that whatsoever.
00:30:49.000They take some of Trump's comments out of context.
00:30:51.000Again, I've ripped Trump when I think his language is wrong.
00:30:54.000But the suggestion that Trump is himself a white supremacist or white nationalist who is responsible for a white supremacist shooting in El Paso is insane.
00:32:26.000If it were really about Trump, then presumably when Trump starts ripping into white supremacy, you'd be saying, good, I'm glad he's doing that.
00:32:32.000But that's not what the left is doing.
00:32:34.000Instead, what the left is doing is they are attempting to link what he says with policies they don't like and then say anybody who supports those policies is now responsible for white supremacy.
00:32:43.000And it was not just Beto O'Rourke over the weekend.
00:32:45.000It was not just Beto O'Rourke over the weekend.
00:32:47.000As we'll see, it was Cory Booker, and Elizabeth Warren, and Julian Castro, and Bernie Sanders, and all the- and it was members of the media.
00:33:20.000Cory Booker, who is also riding low in the polls, went on CNN and suggested that President Trump is responsible for all of this.
00:33:26.000I think that at the end of the day, especially because this was a white supremacist manifesto, that I want to say with more moral clarity that Donald Trump is responsible for this.
00:33:39.000He's responsible because he is stoking fears and hatred and bigotry.
00:33:44.000He is responsible because he's failing to condemn white supremacy and see it as it is, which is responsible for such a significant amount of the terrorist attacks.
00:33:54.000Okay, I'll explain in a second why this is so radically dishonest.
00:33:57.000It's radically dishonest for a couple of reasons.
00:33:58.000One, it is radically dishonest because, again, nobody blamed Obama for the Dallas police shooting because he was not responsible for the Dallas police shooting.
00:34:05.000Nobody blamed Bernie Sanders for the shooting in Virginia because he was not responsible for the shootings in Virginia.
00:34:10.000And Trump is not resp— Trump is not calling on people to go shoot Mexican-Americans at an El Paso Walmart.
00:34:17.000Nobody is- Where are you getting that?
00:34:19.000Where- Again, I can- This is a major distinction.
00:34:24.000I can think a lot of Trump's rhetoric sucks and is gross.
00:34:26.000I can think- I can think it's xenophobic.
00:34:28.000I can even think that some of it is racist.
00:34:30.000Like when he talked about a Mexican judge back in 2016 being unqualified because he was Mexican and was going to discriminate against him and all of this.
00:34:37.000That is not the same thing as he promoted murder at a Walmart in El Paso.
00:35:00.000And obviously, it only is if it's one side of the aisle, according to Democrats.
00:35:03.000My feeling, again, for the one millionth time on this show and others, incitement is incitement when it is incitement, when you're calling on somebody to commit acts of violence.
00:35:12.000Al Sharpton actually did that back during the Freddy's Fashion Mart routine and back during the Crown Heights routine, allegedly.
00:35:19.000But the fact is that this is more political than anything else, as we will see, because as we'll see, it's not an obvious attempt to make the country better by rooting out bad rhetoric.
00:35:29.000As we'll see, this is connected to something deeper, okay?
00:35:31.000Elizabeth Warren then rips into Fox News.
00:35:33.000Now, she's not ripping into Trump anymore.
00:36:10.000And Bernie Sanders is the last person who should talk about this, given the fact that a guy spouting his rhetoric shot a bunch of Congress members just a couple of years ago.
00:36:17.000But here is Bernie Sanders suggesting that Trump's racist rhetoric is a sign to take up arms.
00:36:22.000Look, I am sure that President Trump does not want anybody in this country to go around shooting other people.
00:36:29.000But what he has got to understand is that when you have language that is racist, That is virulently anti-immigrant.
00:36:39.000There are mentally unstable people in this country who see that as a sign to do terrible, terrible things.
00:36:47.000So I think the president has got to stop that racism and that xenophobia immediately.
00:36:55.000I agree that Trump's rhetoric has been wrong many, many times.
00:37:01.000But Bernie Sanders suggesting that inflammatory rhetoric is the cause of violence?
00:37:05.000Kind of kind of rich coming from, again, a person whose rhetoric was heavily involved in inspiring, according to Bernie Sanders's own standard, a shooting of Congress members.
00:37:16.000I understand that that was out of the out of the news in like a week.
00:37:19.000Because, of course, it was a person of the left who had committed this this heinous act.
00:37:25.000But again, you got to have some sort of consistency here.
00:37:27.000Now, the media response to this has just been It has been insane, almost fully insane.
00:38:02.000Reza Aslan immediately responded, you are the depraved evil we need to eradicate.
00:38:06.000So Kellyanne Conway is the depraved evil we need to eradicate.
00:38:09.000And this is, as you'll see, the bleed over from Trump's rhetoric is bad and harmful to everybody on the right is responsible for this.
00:38:17.000Everyone I disagree with is a terrorist inspirer.
00:38:20.000Was very quick from the media, very, very fast.
00:38:24.000Reza Aslan then tweeted out, after today, there is no longer any room for nuance.
00:38:27.000The president is a white nationalist terror leader.
00:38:30.000His supporter, he's a really bad white nationalist terror leader, considering that he came out today and gave a full speech about how evil white supremacy is.
00:38:39.000Reza Aslan says his supporters, all of them, are by definition white nationalist terror supporters.
00:38:44.000The MAGA hat is a KKK hood, and this evil racist scourge must be eradicated from society.
00:38:49.000Obviously, he's either insane or he's wildly intellectually dishonest.
00:38:53.000I think that it is the latter, because I don't think that Aslan is insane.
00:38:56.000But the notion that every single person in the United States who voted for Trump or plans on voting for him in 2020 backs racist shootings in an El Paso Walmart is patently disgusting and ridiculous.
00:39:09.000And this was the line from a lot of folks in the media yesterday.
00:39:13.000And again, they're applying standards that they would never apply to folks on their own side of the aisle.
00:39:17.000So here's Anderson Cooper suggesting, well, you know, white supremacists are copying Trump's words.
00:39:23.000The alleged killer, who, as always, we're not naming, traveled more than 600 miles from his home near Dallas, Texas, to a city that's more than 80% Hispanic.
00:39:32.000His name is on a hate-filled manifesto posted on the website 8chan shortly before the killing began.
00:39:38.000It is hard to ignore the fact that they echo, sometimes even using the exact same language, some of the themes of this president of a nation under siege, being invaded, facing an infestation.
00:39:51.000These are the president's words and they can't be denied.
00:39:53.000Okay, so if the standard is that there's an evil person who went and did an evil thing and was quoting other people and they're responsible for his evil, then maybe we should talk about that ice attack that happened a couple of weeks ago where a person attempted to attack an ice facility while quoting Alexander Ocasio-Cortez and calling it a concentration camp.
00:40:09.000Oh, we didn't do any media coverage of that?
00:40:27.000And I've been condemning AOC's rhetoric and Sanders' rhetoric and a lot of this kind of stuff.
00:40:31.000But I also have a common standard, which is that AOC and Bernie Sanders and Obama and Trump are not responsible for the actions of evil outliers who go and do evil things that the people who said stuff never would have approved in the first place, obviously.
00:40:45.000But the media don't hold that same standard.
00:40:57.000When it was Obama and when it was Dallas police officers being gunned down in the streets, then it wasn't Obama has to answer for anything.
00:41:03.000Then it was we have a systemic problem of violence and distrust between blacks and whites and problems with law enforcement and all the rest.
00:41:10.000Lack of a consistent standard is one of the things that raises the temperature.
00:41:15.000It's not just that the media are wrong here.
00:41:16.000It's that if they are talking about raising the level of tension in the country, it is true that the media raise the level of attention with double standards, with attempts to lump in everybody who they don't like, with people who commit acts of heinous evil.
00:41:58.000Because it seems to me that you should answer the question as to whether it's fair before he said, well, regardless, he's going to have to answer those questions.
00:42:04.000Bernie Sanders didn't have to answer questions and neither did Obama.
00:42:07.000If you want to ask those questions, fine, but they need to be evenly applied.
00:42:11.000And this undermines trust in the media and undermines trust in each other.
00:42:14.000It means that we believe that it means that we on the right believe that you guys are being cynical, that you don't actually wish to wipe out white supremacism nearly as much as you wish to lump in people on the right with white supremacists so that you can come after everybody on the right.
00:42:28.000And I think there's fairly good evidence that there are members of the left who are cynically using this for that purpose, which makes me sad.
00:43:04.000So the Washington Post runs an editorial today from the editorial board talking about how Trump is very, very, very mean and very, very bad.
00:43:37.000He has to acquiesce to all of their particular policy preferences.
00:43:43.000So they write a sample speech for Trump.
00:43:44.000And here's what The Washington Post wishes he would say, quote, My fellow Americans, these are dark days and nights of August.
00:43:50.000A weekend, a time Americans gather at the beach, the mall, a music festival, has brought us horror.
00:43:55.000Let us resolve to transform our great anguish into action, permanent and effective action.
00:43:59.000This horror will no longer be normal in our country.
00:44:02.000Today, I'm calling on Washington, I'm calling on Congress to return to Washington for an immediate joint session to give up their district politicking and take action to combat gun violence.
00:44:11.000An active ban on sales of military-style assault rifles, as well as high-capacity magazines.
00:44:20.000So, in other words, for Trump to buy off the Washington Post, it's not about him condemning white supremacy, or fighting white supremacy, or sicking the DOJ on white supremacy.
00:44:35.000It's about him embracing the proper gun control policies.
00:44:37.000And Charles Blow does the same thing at the New York Times today.
00:44:39.000Quote, Terror and policy, two sides of white nationalism.
00:44:43.000The white supremacist terrorists and the white supremacist policymakers share the same mission.
00:44:49.000Charles Blow, official columnist on the editorial board over at the New York Times, suggesting that the white supremacist who shot up a Walmart in El Paso is the same at root as white policymakers in Congress who happen to be Republican.
00:45:03.000Hey, you wonder why I don't trust your take on white supremacy?
00:45:06.000Because of your suggestion, perhaps, that if I am in favor of more restrictions on illegal immigration on the border, that I'm in the same basket as a guy who just shot up a Walmart.
00:45:15.000Maybe that's why we don't trust you and the media to set these standards.
00:45:18.000Maybe that's why Republicans won't appear on CNN, you guys.
00:45:22.000Charles Blow says, Is this stochastic terrorism at play, in which rhetoric by some incites action by others?
00:45:30.000There's no doubt that Trump and Republicans are making poisonous anti-immigrant rhetoric part of their platforms, but I think laying all the blame at their feet is too convenient and simplistic.
00:45:38.000I think a better way to look at it is to understand that white nationalist terrorists, young and rash, and white nationalist policymakers, older and more methodical, live on parallel planes, both aiming in the same direction, both with the same goal, to maintain and ensure white dominance and white supremacy.
00:45:54.000That policymakers believe they can accomplish with legislation in the legal system what the terrorists are trying to underscore with lead.
00:46:00.000In the mind of the policymakers, border walls, anti-immigrant laws, voter suppression, and packing the courts are more prudent and permanent than bodies in the street.
00:46:07.000But try telling that to a young white terrorist who distrusts everyone in Washington.
00:46:12.000The terrorists want to do quickly what the policymakers insist must be done slowly so the terrorists stew in their anger.
00:46:20.000So in other words, I mean, the end of this column is so morally egregious.
00:46:36.000It is also about recognizing that all of these people are on the same team and share the same mission and eat from the same philosophical trough.
00:47:13.000And your suggestion, Charles Blow, that if I agree that legal immigration should be expanded and illegal immigration should be curbed on the southern border, and that we should expand services on the southern border for people who are detained, that I'm in the same boat as a piece of dreck who goes and shoots innocent people?
00:47:44.000We could all be the brothers and sisters we're supposed to be, where something tragic and evil happens in the country, and we all come out, and we all say how evil it is, and then we figure out ways to solve it, and we figure out ways to fight it, or you could politic off the back of it.
00:47:55.000You could start fundraising like Kamala Harris did over the weekend.
00:47:57.000You could go out on national TV and suggest that the president is responsible for inciting violence when he's never called for this sort of violence.
00:48:03.000You could suggest that everyone who votes for the president Or gives money to the Republican National Committee is responsible for this, or that the NRA is responsible for this.
00:48:10.000Or he could be a responsible American and join the rest of us and actually try and figure out what the hell to do about all of this.
00:48:16.000But I don't think that's what a lot of folks want to do today.
00:48:18.000I think what a lot of folks want to do today is help rip down the social fabric that is necessary to prevent all of this.
00:48:25.000You want to know why more and more shootings are happening?
00:48:26.000Because we are more isolated, because we don't trust each other, because the social fabric is fraying.
00:48:31.000And instead of rebuilding those institutions, you're setting the institutions on fire.
00:48:35.000And then you're suggesting you've done a world of good by burning down the entire city.
00:48:41.000You burn down the palace, and then you're surprised when we stand weeping in the ashes.
00:48:50.000And second, we're gonna talk about some of the solutions that have been proposed, and again, how this really isn't about solutions for a lot of folks.
00:48:57.000For a lot of folks, this is about demagoguery and scoring political points.
00:49:00.000And then we'll talk about some actual solutions, because believe it or not, there are some actual things that we could do today.
00:49:07.000I mean, the response to this stuff is just egregious.
00:49:11.000It breaks my heart that we can't all be on the same page on this.
00:49:16.000Why aren't we all on the same page on this?
00:49:18.000Why in the name of God can't we be on the same page in the easiest thing ever, fighting white supremacist terrorism?
00:49:23.000It's the easiest God bleep thing in the entire world.
00:49:26.000Man, I really have to try hard not to curse today.
00:49:30.000It's the easiest thing in the entire world and somehow we're managing to botch it.
00:49:38.000Okay, so some of the solutions that have been proposed.
00:49:41.000Okay, so let's talk about what actual solutions would look like and then we'll see how the botchery is taking place.
00:49:45.000Okay, so there is a piece in the LA Times talking about mass shootings and what they've learned about shooters by Jillian Peterson and James Densley.
00:49:53.000It says, in the last week, more than 30 people have died in three separate mass shootings in Gilroy, El Paso, and Dayton, Ohio.
00:49:59.000And people didn't pay attention to the Gilroy shooting because again, the media like to pay attention to narratives that underscore their political themes.
00:50:06.000They don't pay attention to mass shootings that don't underscore those political themes per se.
00:50:11.000And so these writers say, for two years we've been studying the life histories of mass shooters in the U.S.
00:50:16.000for a project funded by the National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the U.S.
00:50:20.000We've built a database dating back to 1966 of every mass shooter who shot and killed four or more people in a public place and every shooting incident at schools, workplaces and places of worship since 1999.
00:50:31.000Our goal has been to find new data-driven pathways for preventing such shootings.
00:50:36.000Our data reveal four commonalities among the perpetrators of nearly all the mass shootings we studied first.
00:50:41.000The vast majority of mass shooters in our study experienced early childhood trauma and exposure to violence at a young age.
00:50:48.000The nature of their exposure included parental suicide, physical or sexual abuse, neglect, domestic violence, and or severe bullying.
00:50:55.000The trauma was often a precursor to mental health concerns including depression, anxiety, thought disorders, or suicidality.
00:51:01.000Okay, so thing number one we can do, we can make sure that kids are better taken care of.
00:51:05.000Maybe one of those things involves re-involving ourselves in the fostering of communities and making sure that stable two-parent households stick together and making sure that people are better parents and creating social consequences for folks who are not.
00:51:19.000Okay, second, practically every mass shooters we studied had reached an identifiable crisis point in the weeks or months leading up to the shooting.
00:51:26.000They'd often become angry and despondent because of a specific grievance.
00:51:29.000For workplace shooters, a change in job status was frequently the trigger.
00:51:33.000For shooters in other contexts, relationship rejection or loss often played a role.
00:51:38.000Such crises were, in many cases, communicated to others through a marked change in behavior, an expression of suicidal thoughts or plans, or specific threats of violence.
00:51:45.000Okay, so one of the things that we should be pursuing in response to this particular concern was what David French has pointed out for years now, gun violence restraining orders.
00:51:53.000Which would allow people who are close to potential shooters to call up the authorities and then have them prevented, these people who don't have a criminal background, from being able to buy guns for a prescribed period of time and for a judge to continue that for as long as the person is unhealthy.
00:52:10.000And these are called gun violence restraining orders.
00:52:12.000They are backed by people across the political spectrum.
00:52:17.000David French wrote about this back in 2017.
00:52:19.000He said a well-crafted GVRO law should contain the following elements.
00:52:23.000It should limit those who have standing to seek the order to close relatives, those living with the respondent, and perhaps also school principals or employers.
00:52:29.000So you see somebody starting to break down, you can call the cops, and then you can get the person in front of a judge for an assessment as to whether they should be able to own or buy weapons.
00:52:36.000Two, it should require petitioners to come forward with clear and convincing evidence that the respondent is a significant danger to himself or others.
00:52:43.000Three, it should grant the respondent an opportunity to contest the claims.
00:52:47.000Four, in the event of an emergency, ex parte order, a full hearing should be scheduled quickly, ideally within 72 hours.
00:52:53.000And five, the order should lapse after a defined period of time, unless petitioners can produce clear and convincing evidence of the continued need.
00:52:59.000Right, that would be a fairly good, tailored solution.
00:53:03.000To the problem of tipping points for potential shooters.
00:53:06.000Third, according to the LA Times, most of the shooters had studied the actions of other shooters and sought validation for their motives.
00:53:12.000People in crisis have always existed, but in the age of 24-hour rolling news and social media, there are scripts to follow that promise notoriety and death.
00:53:20.000Societal fear and fascination with mass shootings partly drives the motivation to commit them.
00:53:25.000Hence, as we have seen in the last week, mass shootings tend to come in clusters.
00:53:29.000Okay, so there have been a couple of measures that could be taken to deal with this.
00:53:33.000One is a voluntary measure undertaken by the media not to name the shooters.
00:54:12.000There's been a lot of controversy today over what should be done with 8chan.
00:54:15.0008chan is this board that has now been populated by the reprobates of the internet, by a lot of white supremacists and people who are coordinating and cheering on violence and all of this.
00:54:26.000Now, one of the problems with shutting down access to 8chan is that it actually is right now a centralized area that law enforcement can actually follow, right?
00:54:33.000I mean, once you get rid of it, it goes underground again, and then it's harder for law enforcement to follow.
00:54:37.000So while it may be worthwhile for companies to want to disassociate and not work with 8chan, I get it, right?
00:54:45.000And I fully sympathize with the corporate decision-making behind Cloudflare.
00:54:49.000At the same time, I'm not sure that's actually a good law enforcement strategy, and you'd want to talk with people from the FBI or DOJ to determine whether that is productive or counterproductive.
00:54:57.000That's a practicality question, not necessarily a moral question.
00:55:02.000Fourth, according to the LA Times, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans.
00:55:06.000Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunities stand in the way of another mass shooting.
00:55:13.000Is an appropriate shooting site accessible?
00:55:15.000Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms?
00:55:16.000In 80% of school shootings, perps got their weapons from a family member according to our data.
00:55:21.000Workplace shooters tended to use handguns they legally owned.
00:55:23.000Other public shooters were more likely to acquire them illegally.
00:55:26.000In other words, Maybe there's gun measures we can take, and maybe there's not.
00:55:30.000And this is where we get into the gun control talk.
00:55:32.000Okay, so there have been... This is where you get into the danger of people demagoguing the issue, specifically because when it comes to gun control, you need to narrowly tailor these laws because a hundred million people in the United States, minimum, maybe 150 million people in the United States, actually own weapons.
00:55:49.000There are 300 to 400 million weapons in circulation in the United States.
00:55:53.000Any suggestion that you're going to criminalize gun ownership and you're going to come confiscate hundreds of millions of guns across the country is likely to end in a lot more violence and bloodshed, particularly because we do have a Second Amendment that is well-based.
00:56:04.000And all of the talk about how gun violence is endemic to gun ownership is simply not true when you look to Vermont or New Hampshire, which have extraordinarily high levels of gun ownership, but extraordinarily low levels of gun violence.
00:56:16.000In any case, You have politicians demagoguing this by shouting to this guy, do something.
00:56:20.000This has been the typical way in which we deal with this stuff.
00:56:23.000So you end up with, for example, Kamala Harris coming out and saying, I'm gonna do something about guns.
00:56:33.000When you can't name the solution, or when your solution is obviously not tailored to the problem, it's just throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks, and you're doing it while sending out fundraising letters, as apparently Kamala Harris did over the weekend, that's demagoguery.
00:56:48.000What is your message to President Trump and Republicans in Congress?
00:57:02.000What is the something that you're going to do?
00:57:04.000There's an editor at the Global Opinions at the Washington Post, Karen Attia, who tweeted out something similar.
00:57:09.000And she tweeted out, let me get the exact tweet, "Because a lot of us reject this vision of America that tolerates regular mass shootings as if they are unpreventable natural disasters, doing something more constructive is dismantling America's gun control now." That is the head of global opinions at the Washington Post.
00:57:26.000Quick point of fact, universal background checks, so-called universal background checks, which should involve making, if I give a gun to my wife, then I'd have to go through a background check I'd have to go to a federally licensed firearm dealer, for example.
00:57:40.000That would not have stopped any of this.
00:57:42.000These guys would have passed background checks in both Ohio and in El Paso.
00:57:46.000The attempt to ban quote-unquote assault weapons has always been extraordinarily vague.
00:57:50.000The New York Post has a very bad editorial today talking about how Trump should take action on assault weapons.
00:57:58.000The New York Post suggests the Second Amendment leaves ample room for regulating gun rights, just as every other constitutional right has its limits.
00:58:11.000The NRA is popular because people support gun rights.
00:58:13.000Gun rights are not popular because the NRA is powerful.
00:58:16.000Anybody who suggests differently doesn't understand the dynamics of American politics, or purposefully are not doing so because they are making a cynical attempt to lump in support for the Second Amendment with corruption.
00:58:26.000But the New York Post says, we need to begin with a return to an assault weapons ban.
00:58:30.000We know that label doesn't actually describe a clear class of guns.
00:58:33.000Some of the studies show the last ban, in effect from 94 to 2004, had a limited impact, but that simply means the next ban should be better written, with a clear definition, focused on factors like firepower, rate of fire, muzzle velocity, etc., not on cosmetic features.
00:58:47.000Okay, and then people will use handguns, which by the way are responsible for vastly more gun deaths, and are used in vastly more gun deaths, than rifles are.
00:58:54.000And then the New York Post editorial foolishly says, That doesn't cover the semi-automatic weapons regularly used only in mass shootings.
00:59:38.000Instead, we're gonna have a dumb political fight over something that's not going to get done because it's not actually gonna prevent the problem.
00:59:44.000Charles Cook has a good piece on this over at National Review.
00:59:49.000He says, the editors finished their plea by running through a bunch of falsehoods, begged questions, and non sequiturs.
00:59:53.000They insist an assault weapons ban would represent a moderate, unifying step.
01:00:20.000Toward the end of the missive, the editors cite New York City as the model.
01:00:23.000Which, it has to be said, rather gives the game away.
01:00:25.000One of the big reasons crime has fallen so far in New York City, they write, is a crackdown on guns.
01:00:29.000That proposition is debatable, but irrespective of its veracity, for the Post to mention New York City as a model, in the same piece as it decries extremists who see every marginal change as nothing but a step on the road to a universal ban, is ridiculous.
01:00:41.000New York City has the strictest gun laws in the country.
01:00:45.000So again, there are honest policy disagreements that can be had about all of this.
01:00:49.000But that does not mean that we don't care about mass shootings.
01:00:53.000And that continued suggestion, which is a holdover from going all the way back to Sandy Hook.
01:01:20.000You know, in this manifesto that we believe is from the shooter, this manifesto, he talks about living out his super soldier fantasy on Call of Duty.
01:01:30.000We know that the video game industry is bigger than the movie industry and the music industry combined.
01:01:35.000And there have been studies that say it impacts people and studies that says it does not.
01:01:39.000But I look at the common denominators as a 60-some-year-old father and grandfather myself.
01:02:10.000The idea of these video games to dehumanize individuals to have a game of shooting individuals and others.
01:02:16.000I've always felt that is a problem for future generations and others.
01:02:22.000We've watched from studies shown before of what it does to individuals.
01:02:27.000When you look at these photos of how it took place, you can see the actions within video games and others.
01:02:33.000But what I'd like to do is make sure...
01:02:35.000The studies tend to show precisely the reverse, that these violent video games really don't do anything to link to all of this.
01:02:41.000These chat boards where you have actual human beings encouraging people to go out there and quote-unquote score points as they did with the Christchurch shooter, that's a far bigger problem than people playing video games in their basement.
01:02:51.000There are hundreds of millions of people who play video games.
01:02:53.000Very few of them are participating in this sort of violence.
01:02:57.000Now, to end today, there are no things I like and no things I hate, because there's just a lot of stuff to hate and mourn today.
01:03:03.000I just want to point out, if we can't all be on the same side on this stuff, then we're done as a country.
01:03:08.000If we can't all be on the same side when we say that white supremacism is evil, when we say that it is an act of terror to participate in an act of terror, that violence is condemned by everybody, when we can't assume the good faith of our neighbors, when we can't assume that we're all mourning today, Then the country is done.
01:03:41.000You sit for seven days, and you don't go out of your house.
01:03:44.000You literally do not go out of your house.
01:03:45.000And people bring you meals, and they come and they pray with you, and they come and they sit with you.
01:03:50.000And I'm only saying that those who have bad intentions have bad intentions if they are going to politically manipulate on the basis of this.
01:03:55.000to tear the other side a new one by implying that they have bad intentions.
01:03:59.000And I'm only saying that those who have bad intentions have bad intentions if they are going to politically manipulate on the basis of this.
01:04:07.000I think everybody of good heart is in mourning today and should be in mourning because why shouldn't we mourn?
01:04:27.000It's from El Paso, CNN, Amanda Jackson, Emanuela Greenberg writing.
01:04:32.000El Paso couples shopping for school supplies dies trying to shield their baby from gunfire.
01:04:37.000Jordan and Andre Anchondo brought their infant son to Walmart on Saturday as they shopped for school supplies.
01:04:43.000But only the little boy would survive the visit, their relatives told CNN.
01:04:47.000The Anchondos were killed after a gunman opened fire in an El Paso shopping center on Saturday, Elizabeth Terry and Jesse Jamrowski said.
01:04:55.000The couple, who had just celebrated their one-year wedding anniversary, went to the store after dropping their five-year-old daughter at cheer practice, Terry said.
01:05:02.000As the gunfire erupted, Jordan shielded her two-month-old son Andre meanwhile jumped in front of his wife.
01:06:50.000Hey everyone, it's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.
01:06:53.000Once again, our country takes a hit from Satan's glove puppets, two people who are no longer fully human because the devil got into them through their broken places and devoured the men God made them to be.
01:07:04.000One thing we know, whether it's on the right or the left, our national dialogue does not seem to be helping.