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00:02:45.000And I do want to distinguish here between trying to force somebody to participate via governmental intervention in somebody else's activity and whether something is good or not.
00:02:55.000So, as I've said many times, I think that as a general rule, you should serve everybody who comes into your establishment.
00:03:00.000I don't think that necessarily means you have to serve everybody who comes into your establishment.
00:03:04.000I don't think that means that you must serve people who want special privileges or they want you to participate in a ceremony that you feel is immoral.
00:03:12.000But I do think that as a general rule, just as a good person, if I owned an establishment, I would service you if you came into my establishment.
00:03:19.000I wouldn't service a same-sex wedding because I have moral objections to a same-sex wedding, just as many of these bakers and photographers do.
00:03:24.000But if I owned a restaurant like Chick-fil-A, I would allow anybody to eat there, just as Chick-fil-A does.
00:03:29.000And I think that is the moral thing to do.
00:03:30.000I think that is the right thing to do.
00:03:32.000Again, you have the freedom to reject anybody.
00:03:35.000There's been a big brouhaha over the weekend because it turns out that Sarah Huckabee Sanders went to a restaurant called The Red Hen in Lexington, Virginia.
00:03:42.000And Stephanie Wilkinson, who's the owner of The Red Hen in Lexington, asked the press secretary to leave the restaurant on Friday evening.
00:03:48.000She apparently took a staff vote before privately asking Sanders to leave the restaurant.
00:05:13.000Well, I think a boycott of the Red Hen here is not inappropriate.
00:05:15.000The reason being that it's appropriate to boycott a restaurant or a photographer or a baker, for that matter, if their private political perspective translates over into their business.
00:05:25.000Now, I may not agree with a particular boycott, but I don't think it's wildly inappropriate to boycott.
00:05:30.000I think it's inappropriate to boycott Chick-fil-A, for example, because Chick-fil-A doesn't actually
00:05:36.000Chick-fil-A doesn't actually have any rules that blow back on anybody, so boycotting them over the private views of their owner seems to me completely counterproductive and stupid.
00:05:44.000Boycotting the Red Hen over what they did to Sarah Huckabee Sanders, or even boycotting a baker with whom I agree about same-sex marriage for not catering a same-sex wedding.
00:05:53.000All of that seems to me within the realm of permissible dialogue.
00:05:56.000All of that makes a certain amount of sense, even if I agree with what one business did and disagree with what another business did.
00:06:02.000But instead, what the left has done is the left, which says that you should not be allowed.
00:06:20.000To make that case requires an amount of hypocrisy that is well beyond the norm.
00:06:25.000And even some folks on the left are acknowledging this, right?
00:06:27.000Like the Washington Post editorial board wrote a piece saying that people should let Sarah Huckabee Sanders basically eat where she wants to eat.
00:06:35.000They say we nevertheless would argue that Ms.
00:06:53.000How hard is it to imagine, for example, people who strongly believe that abortion is murder, deciding that judges or other officials who protect abortion rights should not be able to live peaceably with their families?
00:07:02.000Down that road lies a world in which only the most zealous sign up for public service.
00:07:10.000David Axelrod tweeted something out that was very similar.
00:07:13.000He tweeted out that he was appalled by Democrats cheering this.
00:07:15.000He said, kind of amazed and appalled by the number of folks on left who applauded the expulsion of press secretary and her family from a restaurant.
00:07:21.000This, in the end, is a triumph for Donald Trump's vision of America.
00:07:24.000Now we're divided by red plates and blue plates.
00:07:31.000Because when you escalate these conversations to the point of no return, when you escalate to the point when we can't have a civil society together, then Trumpian punching looks pretty good.
00:08:37.000She went to a screening of a documentary about Mr. Rogers, the leading advocate for civility over the past half century in the United States, and then left-wing activists came and shouted her down.
00:08:46.000So Christian Nielsen, the Department of Homeland Security secretary, run out of a restaurant for the great sin of working for the Trump administration.
00:08:52.000Sarah Huckabee Sanders, barred from a restaurant by the owners for the great sin of working for the Trump administration.
00:08:57.000Pam Bondi screamed out on the street for the great sin of being a Republican and being in favor of Rick Scott's policy on health care.
00:09:05.000Now, I will say that I think Huckabee Sanders' situation is slightly different from the Christian Nielsen and Pam Bondi situations, specifically because the owner does have a right to kick people out of their place.
00:09:14.000What you don't have a right to do, you actually do not have the right to walk into somebody else's restaurants and harass somebody until they leave, right?
00:09:19.000So just legally speaking, the people who showed up at the restaurant with Christian Nielsen, she should have sat there and she should have made the police come and arrest those people.
00:09:27.000She should have said to the restaurant owners, call the police because this is harassment.
00:09:31.000This is actually a violation of specific rights.
00:09:33.000You are not allowed to go into somebody else's place of business and shut down the business because you are having a problem with one of the patrons who is patronizing that business.
00:09:41.000The worst example, however, of incivility over the weekend was none of these.
00:10:35.000And so she's going to push tactics that are, by any historical metric, far closer to brownshirt Nazi tactics than anything the Trump administration has done at the border.
00:11:21.000It is a Nazi tactic to say that you're going to get a bunch of people together and you're going to go harass public officials when they stop at a gas station.
00:11:29.000Again, I'm not saying her policies are Nazi policies.
00:11:31.000I'm saying this is a brown shirt tactic because it is a far closer tactic to brown shirtism than anything that Trump has done at the southern border, including arresting people and then by dint of Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling, separating kids from parents.
00:11:44.000I'm going to explain in a second why I am not being shy about using a Nazi analogy here, because I think that
00:11:49.000Nazi analogies are appropriate when you can actually make the historical reference point.
00:11:53.000So I'm going to talk not in vague terms about what this reference point is in just a second.
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00:13:24.000When Maxine Waters says that people should get out at gas stations and they should shout, no peace, no sleep, no peace, no sleep.
00:13:32.000And when she says that in an apartment store at a gas station, get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they're not welcome anymore anywhere.
00:13:39.000You tell people they're not welcome in public life.
00:13:53.000There are people who argue that fascism is only the government that's coming in and using force to compel you to obey the government.
00:14:02.000That's the only definition of fascism.
00:14:04.000What I'm talking about here is a philosophically, culturally fascist tactic, and that is destroying the social fabric in the name of politics by destroying every public space
00:14:13.000And using violent means to shut them down, right?
00:14:20.000This is a section from Richard Evans's book, The Coming of the Third Reich, considering the treatment of Social Democrat Reichstag deputy Otto Buckwitz in Silesia.
00:14:58.000After this, gangs of 8 to 10 Nazi stormtroopers harassed Buchwitz outside his house when he left for work in the morning.
00:15:04.00020 or more crowded around him when he came back to his office after lunch.
00:15:08.000And between 1 and 200 hassled him on his way home, singing a specially composed song with the words, when the revolvers are shot, Buchwitz will cop the lot.
00:15:15.000Nazi demonstrators always halted outside his house, chanting death to Buchwitz.
00:15:20.000Okay, so harassing people outside their homes, bullying them from gas stations, bullying them from restaurants, these public confrontations over politics, these are a serious and dangerous business.
00:15:29.000So here is the basic rule for a civilized society.
00:15:31.000You have the right to refuse service to anyone you choose.
00:15:35.000You have the right to criticize that restaurant.
00:15:37.000You have the right to protest any public official in a public setting.
00:15:40.000You do not have the right to invade someone else's property, to harass someone dining in a public place, or to harass people at their homes, as with Christian Nielsen.
00:15:47.000Waters' approach is way worse than what happened at the Red Hen.
00:15:50.000What Waters did is way worse than what happened to Sarah Huckabee Sanders at the Red Hen, and every Democrat should be asked on the record today what Maxine Waters said about what Maxine Waters said.
00:15:59.000They should be asked whether they agree with Maxine Waters' tactics here, whether they think that that is something that is half-decent.
00:16:06.000Because I promise you, if this were a Republican, they'd be asked every single time, right?
00:16:08.000When President Trump said that at his rallies, he said at one of his rallies, that if somebody punched a protester, that he'd pay for their legal defense bill.
00:16:16.000Every Republican in the country got asked about it.
00:16:32.000That protesters descended on DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen's home.
00:16:36.000It turns out they are also threatening DHS employees' children.
00:16:40.000DHS employees have been warned that there have been credible threats made against both them and their children in a system-wide email that also went out this weekend from the department's deputy secretary, according to Emily Zanotti, over at the Daily Wire, which also included a list of emergency services and security protocols, along with information on how to access the department's security force.
00:16:57.000This assessment is based on specific and credible threats that have been levied against certain DHS employees and a sharp increase in the overall number of general threats against DHS employees, although the veracity of each threat varies.
00:17:08.000In addition, over the last few days, thousands of employees have had their personally identifiable information publicly released on social media.
00:17:14.000Is this the fault of Democrats who are ratcheting up the rhetoric?
00:17:18.000Now, I'm not comfortable with saying that Democrats who are ratcheting up rhetoric are responsible for threats of violence or for violence itself.
00:17:23.000Unless you are overtly calling for violence, as Maxine Waters appears to be doing, then I'm not going to blame you for violence that takes place.
00:17:29.000However, is there any question that the social fabric of the country is decaying in real time?
00:17:33.000We're watching people tear it and set it on fire for political benefit?
00:17:38.000And is it also true that as the tenor of public debate grows and grows, as the fiery rhetoric grows and grows, that there are unbalanced people who are going to do unbalanced things?
00:17:47.000It was a year ago, like literally about a year ago, that a Bernie Sanders fan decided to go shoot up a congressional baseball game.
00:17:55.000But he attempted to murder as many Republican congresspeople as he should.
00:17:58.000That wasn't Bernie Sanders' fault, but it is indicative of the fact that we are raising the temperature.
00:18:03.000And when you raise the temperature in the country, you can't be surprised when some frogs get boiled, right?
00:18:08.000The tenor of the country right now is really, really ugly.
00:18:11.000Protesters outside Nielsen's home are apparently unsatisfied that Nielsen and the Trump administration insist on enforcing immigration laws, even as the administration reversed its policy on separating detained adults from their minor children while they await an asylum hearing.
00:18:24.000Not only that, there's a story over the agents about leftist protesters who are attempting to basically storm an immigration facility in McAllen, Texas on Saturday.
00:18:34.000According to Fox News reporter Griff Jenkins, about 200 protesters from the League of United Latin American Citizens were bused into the McAllen facility from all areas of Texas.
00:18:41.000At one point, when a bus carrying illegal immigrants tried to leave the facility, the protesters surrounded and stopped the bus.
00:18:46.000However, during the melee, a Border Patrol agent attempting to control the crowd was injured while protecting an older woman, Jenkins reported, according to the Daily Caller News Foundation.
00:18:54.000That agent suffered a broken ankle, Jenkins said.
00:18:57.000During the incidents, protesters screamed, set the children free and shame on you to Border Patrol agents, who eventually helped maneuver the bus out of the facility.
00:19:05.000It was unclear where the bus was headed.
00:19:07.000Customs and Border Patrol spokesman told CNN the immigrants on the bus were being transferred to the custody of ICE agents.
00:19:13.000Again, things are getting violent and ugly out there, and they're going to get more violent and more ugly when you have people who are exaggerating the case.
00:19:21.000Celebrities who have decided that it's imperative for them to go down to the border and grandstand on this issue.
00:19:27.000They're not making intelligent arguments.
00:19:28.000They're not interested in making intelligence arguments.
00:19:31.000Instead, we are getting a bunch of celebrities going down to the border so that they can pose with signs, so they can prove to all of their fans just how generous and wonderful they are.
00:19:38.000So Lena Dunham has decided to go down to the border.
00:19:41.000So she and Sia, I don't know how anyone could tell it was Sia because she still had her hair in front of her face, and Amber Heard and other stars visited the border city of Tornillo, Texas to protest the Trump administration's policy.
00:19:52.000So in this picture, you can see it's kind of hard to see them because they're wearing hats, but you can see Amber Heard, I believe, is on the upper left there.
00:21:12.000Again, this sort of rhetoric is particularly unhelpful.
00:21:15.000If you're going to make a Nazi comparison, you're actually going to have to bring the history.
00:21:18.000When I make the Nazi comparison to the tactic of shutting down people's restaurant-going experiences and sitting outside their houses to harass them, that is closer to a Nazi tactic than enforcing immigration law as per the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
00:21:30.000Okay, in just a second, I want to explain why this is all so dumb.
00:21:34.000About the moral rule that we should apply in our society, because I think that the moral rule that we apply in our society is not exactly the right one with regard to how we treat others.
00:21:42.000Okay, so, Jay Johnson, here's the part that's unbelievably stupid.
00:21:45.000So, none of this was the reaction in 2014 because Obama was president.
00:21:49.000So all of these Democrats who are very upset, all these leftists who are very upset, saying this is pre-Nazi Germany, while still, while many leftists are using Nazi-esque tactics to shut down people's dinner and stand outside their house and threaten their kids,
00:22:01.000Jay Johnson, who's the Department of Homeland Security Secretary under Obama, right?
00:22:05.000He says, listen, of course we detain kids, right?
00:22:43.000Were there comparisons to the Japanese internment camps in Nazi Germany?
00:22:46.000Did you have celebrities jetting down to the border other than Glenn Beck to hand out actual soccer balls to some of the kids who were being detained?
00:22:52.000And then he was being ripped right and left for doing that?
00:22:57.000Because, of course, Jeh Johnson was a member of the grand and glorious Obama administration.
00:23:01.000All of this brings about a question, and that is, what is the moral rule we ought to apply in our society?
00:23:05.000So, a lot of people are big fans of the Golden Rule.
00:23:07.000The Golden Rule, of course, is stated in the New Testament.
00:23:09.000They do unto others as you would have them do unto you, which is sort of a variation on the Old Testament rule, love thy neighbor as thyself.
00:23:17.000So, do unto others as they would have them do unto you.
00:23:18.000There's another rule that's suggested by the Talmud, and I would suggest that this is a superior moral rule, at least when it comes to building social fabric.
00:23:25.000And that moral rule comes courtesy of the elder Hillel.
00:23:29.000So there's a famous rabbi, his name was Hillel, and there's a famous story in the Talmud, and it goes something like this.
00:23:34.000There's a guy who came to a famous rabbi named Shammai, and he said, I want you to teach me the entire Torah while I stand here on one foot.
00:24:01.000Now, there's a difference between those two rules.
00:24:02.000Do unto others as you would have them do unto you is not quite the same rule, the golden rule, as what's called the silver rule, which is that which is hateful to you, do not do unto others.
00:24:11.000I believe the silver rule is a better rule for governing our relations in public society than do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
00:24:17.000The reason I think that it's a superior rule is because do unto others as you would have them do unto you makes your standard of personal behavior the standard for everyone else.
00:24:26.000So what you could say, you could see a situation in which you say, listen, if I were a Nazi, I hope that people would come to my restaurant and shut me down.
00:24:31.000If I were working for Trump, I hope that people would come to my restaurant and shut me down.
00:24:37.000I think that people totally should threaten my kids.
00:24:41.000And I'll do unto others as I would have them do unto me.
00:24:43.000If I were a bad person like that, then I'd be fine with that.
00:24:47.000Right, but the counter rule, that which is hateful to you, do not do unto others, is not quite the same thing.
00:24:52.000That is, it doesn't matter your moral status or how you perceive yourself to be a more moral person, a better person.
00:24:58.000If you don't like someone doing something to you right now, not as you perceive yourself to be, if you don't like somebody doing something to you right now, then you shouldn't do it to somebody else.
00:25:06.000If you don't like somebody shutting down your dinner, don't shut down anybody else's dinner.
00:25:13.000If you're not a big fan of people protesting you when you go to a gas station, then you shouldn't protest people when they go to gas stations.
00:25:20.000The prohibitive rule, in my view, is a much better rule, just in terms of interpersonal relationships.
00:25:25.000Not community, not religious community relations.
00:25:28.000I would say the do-unto-others-as-you-would-have-them-do-unto-you rule is very good for communal relations in a religiously like-minded community.
00:25:34.000So my Jewish community, for example, do-unto-others-as-you-would-have-them-do-unto-you is a fine rule.
00:25:38.000Because I would have people give me charity, so I should give them charity.
00:25:42.000Or I would have people be kind to my kids, so I would be kind to their kids.
00:25:45.000But that's because we have a general same view of the world.
00:25:48.000If I don't have the general same view of the world as you, then my inclination to use the golden rule would be, well, if I were as nasty as you, I hope somebody would do that to you.
00:25:56.000But the silver rule says it doesn't matter how nasty I think you are.
00:25:59.000I don't want somebody doing that to me.
00:26:21.000So President Trump decides that he is going to tweet out, this is 14, he decides that he's going to tweet out about the red hen situation regarding Sarah Huckabee Sanders, quote,
00:26:31.000The Redhead Restaurant should focus more on cleaning its filthy canopies, doors, and windows.
00:26:36.000Badly needs a paint job, rather than refusing to serve a fine person like Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
00:27:08.000You know, I think that what happened here is that the left really thought
00:27:21.000The reason they're so angry right now is because the left truly thought that after Obama, they had changed politics forever.
00:27:26.000This was going to be their thousand years of heaven.
00:27:28.000They were going to get their never-ending paradise after Obama won.
00:27:33.000And he had changed the face of politics, right?
00:27:35.000We were never going to get a Republican president again, let alone a Republican president and Republican Congress, let alone a Republican president and Republican Congress and 30-plus state legislatures and governors who are Republican.
00:27:44.000Everything had changed because of Obama.
00:28:29.000I think that there is a civic engagement that needs to happen here, but it's not going to be led by the leadership on either side, apparently.
00:28:35.000And that's why, in just a second, I'm going to talk about George Will's latest column, which I think is totally, totally wrong.
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00:30:08.000So, George Will came out with a column that I think is utterly, utterly incorrect.
00:30:13.000So, George Will, in the face of all of the incivility and all of the Trumpian politics of the moment, he came out with a column that I think is not just wrong, I think it's frankly quite stupid.
00:30:25.000He came out with a column suggesting that people should not only not vote Republican in the upcoming congressional elections, and Will is a lifelong Republican, that they should actually vote affirmatively for Democrats.
00:30:50.000That same party should vote for them to stop Trump.
00:30:53.000If you're a Republican and you believe this, I think it's...
00:30:56.000Fair to say that you've lost your moorings, that Trump has unmoored you as well.
00:30:59.000You've been so unmoored because you can't deal with the cognitive dissonance of a Republican running things who is also President Trump and has all the character flaws of President Trump, you become unmoored.
00:31:56.000He says, the family shredding policy along the southern border, which was merely the most telegenic recent example of misrule, clarified something.
00:32:03.000Occurring less than 140 days before elections that can reshape Congress, the policy is given to independent and temperate Republicans, these are probably expanding and contracting cohorts respectively, fresh if redundant evidence for the principle by which they should vote.
00:32:16.000The principle is, the Congressional-Republican caucuses must be substantially reduced.
00:32:21.000Not sure how you got that from the immigration policy, considering that congressional Republicans wanted to fix that immigration policy and Democrats want to release everyone.
00:32:59.000When Trump is president, I think that the legislature has abdicated its responsibility for decades.
00:33:03.000But if you think that's getting fixed by Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer, you got another thing coming.
00:33:09.000And yet, and yet, George Will, who again I think has lost it because of President Trump, continues along these lines.
00:33:15.000And then he goes into a long shtick from a man for all seasons.
00:33:32.000He says Ryan traded his political soul for a tax cut.
00:33:34.000He who formerly spoke truths about the accelerating crisis of the entitlement system lost everything in the service of a president pledged to preserve the unsustainable status quo.
00:33:43.000Ryan and many other Republicans have become the president's poodles, not because Jim's Madison system has failed, but because today's abject careers have failed to be worthy of it.
00:33:50.000And again, I don't disagree with this general analysis of Congress.
00:33:54.000I think this has been true when Democrats were in Congress, when Republicans are in Congress.
00:33:56.000I think what we have watched over the last 50 years in this country is a dramatic acceleration of the movement of power from Article 1 to Article 2, from the legislature to the presidency.
00:34:06.000But to suggest that the solution, again, to this is to put Democrats in charge is just ridiculous.
00:34:12.000I don't understand why the solution would be—like, I understand there are problems within the GOP.
00:34:17.000I've been talking ad nauseum about them for legitimately years.
00:34:20.000But to suggest that the solution to that is that radical Democrats ought to take over, and then they will check the power of the presidency by seizing power back to the legislative branch
00:34:28.000No, what they will do is they will immediately attempt to pass a bunch of really bad bills that the federal government has no business doing.
00:34:34.000Because there are two things that the Article 1 power is supposed to grant you.
00:34:38.000One is the power to check other branches of government, and the Republican Congress isn't exercising that.
00:34:42.000But two is, the Article 1 legislative power is supposed to prevent the government from outgrowing its prescribed size under the Constitution itself.
00:34:50.000The legislature is supposed to be subject to popular rule, and that means they're not supposed to run roughshod over the Constitution's boundaries on the legislative power.
00:34:58.000So, even if you believe that Democrats would do a better job of checking the growth of executive power, they certainly would not do a better job of preventing the expansion of the federal government.
00:35:37.000And to those who say, but the judges, the judges, the answer is Article 3 institutions are not more important than those of Article 1 and 2 combined.
00:35:43.000But his suggestion is that Democrats and Republicans would fail to get anything done in Congress.
00:35:48.000But I thought that's also his complaint.
00:35:50.000So he was saying that Republicans aren't getting anything done to check Trump's power in Congress, but then he suggests there will be enough Republicans in Congress to prevent Democrats from doing anything bad.
00:35:59.000So is his complaint that Congress is doing not enough or that it is doing too much?
00:36:05.000Again, this is why I say that I think everyone has been completely debased by the Trump presidency.
00:36:10.000I think people have lost their minds, and they're spinning off in a variety of different directions, all of which have nothing to do with the reality of the situation.
00:36:19.000President Trump's governance itself is very mainstream conservative, or at least has been, except with regard to some peripheral issues that are becoming central now, like tariffs.
00:36:29.000But the governance itself has been pretty Republican.
00:36:31.000President Trump's manner has not been Republican.
00:37:14.000And Kamala Harris is an awful, awful senator.
00:37:17.000She's not ruling out running for president.
00:37:19.000If the Democrats had any brains at all, they would run a candidate who made people feel safe and secure and solid.
00:37:24.000Because right now, everything is going really well in the country, just in terms of the economy and in terms of foreign policy.
00:37:31.000Everything seems to be going pretty decently.
00:37:33.000But there is a general feeling of unease about the future of the country because of all the crazy.
00:37:37.000If the Democrats were to run somebody reassuring,
00:37:39.000They would have an upper hand in 2020, I think.
00:37:42.000But instead, they're going to run to the radical intersectional left, trying to please that radical base that they think is going to win them unerring victory and unfailing success in coming campaigns.
00:37:52.000Kamala Harris is an intersectional candidate, as radical as they come, and she's talking about running for president in 2020.
00:38:44.000So Jeff Flake, who's voted with President Trump the vast majority of the time in Congress,
00:38:48.000He is opposing President Trump's agenda on tariffs, which I think is correct.
00:38:52.000There's a story out today that Harley-Davidson is about to offshore a bunch of their jobs, right?
00:38:56.000Harley-Davidson, who Trump in 2017, just a year ago, claimed was the perfect case in point for why we need tariffs, is now offshoring jobs due to President Trump's tariffs on aluminum and steel.
00:39:06.000They're now taking all their jobs, or a lot of their jobs, and they're moving them to Europe because they sell about 40,000 motorcycles a year in Europe, and they can still reimport all of those motorcycles into the United States.
00:39:15.000So Jeff Flake doesn't like President Trump's tariff policy, which I agree with, but his solution to stopping Trump on tariffs is to hold up a bunch of good judges.
00:39:25.000Well, where are the Republicans saying, well, why don't we pass the judges and also stop the tariffs?
00:39:30.000Where are the Republicans who are saying that?
00:39:34.000So the Republican Party is broke down into the people who back everything Trump has done and the people who are willing to hold up some good parts of the agenda in order to stop some bad parts of the agenda, which I don't understand at all.
00:39:45.000I think myself and a number of senators, at least a few of us, will stand up and say, let's not move any more judges until we get a vote, for example, on tariffs.
00:39:57.000And then Jeff Flake goes even further.
00:39:58.000He says, let's not attack Democrats on immigration.
00:40:01.000But Democrats' program on immigration has been made absolutely crystal clear.
00:40:04.000They want every illegal immigrant in the country released.
00:40:07.000This is what they would like if they had their druthers.
00:40:09.000They don't even really want serious border checks.
00:40:11.000They want catch and release to be reinstated.
00:40:14.000And, but Jeff Flake says, let's not attack Democrats on immigration.
00:40:16.000Like, this is why people go to Trump, because even moderate Republicans can't hold it together long enough to make the case, or even straight line Republicans can't hold it together long enough to make the case that Trump's judge picks are good, but his tariffs are bad.
00:40:27.000I don't understand why any of this is particularly tough, but Jeff Flake apparently can't figure it out.
00:40:33.000And what is bothersome is the president's rhetoric about the Democrats and their unwillingness to have any type of border security or control.
00:40:41.000They are on record supporting significant border control.
00:40:46.000They have turned down every deal on border control that Trump has ever presented them with.
00:40:50.000Trump presented them with a deal on border control that provided a basic minimum funding for the wall.
00:40:56.000It wouldn't have paid for the whole wall by any stretch of the imagination.
00:40:59.000And it would have provided some more security for customs and border patrol.
00:41:02.000But it would have allowed 1.8 million illegal immigrants, right?
00:41:06.0001.8 million dreamers and unregistered dreamers to become essentially citizens, to join a pathway to citizenship.
00:41:16.000This is why George Will is wrong, Jeff Flake is wrong.
00:41:18.000The Democrats are increasingly radical, and surrendering to Democrats is not the solution.
00:41:21.000You can stand up to Trump's heresies, while at the same time praising the stuff that he does well.
00:41:25.000And if you fail to do that, then all you are doing is driving people into Trump's arms on the stuff that is more heretical, and driving more people into Democrats' arms on the stuff that is not heretical.
00:41:35.000It's just it's not good all the way around.
00:41:37.000And again, I think it's it's being contributed to by tremendous amount of anger in the public discourse, all of which is is really, really dangerous.
00:41:46.000OK, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.
00:42:13.000But he cares for everybody in the society and his anger is what makes him unpalatable for TV because they want to see happy smiling faces and he's angry at the status of society while at the same time taking care of people.
00:42:23.000Well, the last angry man is what we need more of in America and I don't mean more angry.
00:42:28.000People who are angry, but also capable of taking care of others.
00:42:31.000Because I think right now our anger is channeling itself, not toward making the country better, but toward making the country worse.
00:42:36.000I think all of the anger that is right now being directed at the Trump administration, if you don't like what the Trump administration is doing, by all means go down to the border and bring some actual resources for the kids who are down at the border.
00:42:45.000But if your solution is that you're going to go down to the border and shout about Nazis, or you're going to go down to Christian Nielsen's restaurant and throw her out of a restaurant, or go to her house and yell at her outside her house, none of this is productive.
00:42:56.000People are not righteously indignant at this point.
00:42:58.000They are faux-righteously indignant, which means that they are using anger as the fuel for all of the bad stuff that they want to do and then claiming they're righteous on the surface.
00:43:06.000That's not the kind of anger that we need.
00:43:08.000Yes, we should all be angry at societal injustices, like real societal injustices, but the solution to that should be to work to rectify those injustices, not to scream and shout and be uncivil and be nasty and be stupid.
00:43:19.000All of that is deeply counterproductive.
00:43:20.000Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate.
00:43:27.000So, have you ever read Little House on the Prairie?
00:43:28.000I remember growing up, I read Little House on the Prairie, and I thought that it was quite a good book, because it's been famous for a very long time.
00:43:40.000I got a couple of hands in the studio, and we only have three other people in the studio right now.
00:43:43.000Two out of the three watched Michael Landon in Little House on the Prairie.
00:43:46.000Now, the Association of Library Service to Children Board voted this weekend to change the title of their annual Legacy Award for Excellence in Children's Literature
00:43:54.000Away from the Laura Ingalls Wilder Award.
00:43:58.000Instead, they will change it to the Children's Literature Legacy Award.
00:44:22.000Well, because she was considered controversial and not woke enough.
00:44:25.000She speaks of her family's fear of Native American attacks, and she had era-specific views on blacks.
00:44:30.000Intellectuals and historians might teach Wilder's works in the context of her upbringing, but apparently children's librarians are incapable of the same level of nuance.
00:44:37.000Again, who has read Little House on the Prairie and came away a racist who hates Native Americans?
00:44:41.000Like, really, I'm lacking the words for this, exactly.
00:44:45.000I read it, and I'm wondering, like, if you watched that show with Michael Lenz, did you come away and you were like, man, I am so glad the Trail of Tears happened?
00:44:51.000Like, is there anyone who felt that way?
00:44:54.000The answer, of course, is no, but we have to assume the full-on stupidity of the American public, and we have to assume that when children read Laura Ingalls Wilder, they want to reinstitute slavery because they read about a little family, a settler family, on the prairie.
00:45:06.000Clearly, that was the main thrust of her books.
00:45:10.000We are going to wipe away any past... Look, here's the reality.
00:45:14.000In a hundred years, people will think we're barbarians.
00:45:16.000In a hundred years, people are going to look back on us, and I think there are probably two areas of American life where people will think that we are barbarians when they look back on us.
00:45:31.000Because as science progresses, it's becoming clearer and clearer that that is just an insanely non-human rights position.
00:45:37.000And then I think that there's a high probability that a hundred years from now, when we've developed better science for the development of meat and meat substitutes, people will look at the treatment of animals in our society and they'll say that was really inhumane.
00:45:47.000I think there's a good shot that that happens.
00:45:48.000But does that mean all the literature from today should be immediately cast out because in virtually every book there's somebody eating steak?
00:45:55.000Ooh, look how they treated the animals in that book.
00:45:57.000Wow, they used to keep dogs as pets, but now we know how smart dogs are.
00:46:07.000How about we assume that literature from the past was written at that time, and then we take that for granted, and then we look into that when we read the stories, and then we can make distinctions, because that's what human beings do on a regular basis.
00:46:29.000Here is the proof of that little obvious statement, which I know is deeply controversial in today's society.
00:46:34.000We have to assume that all cultures are created equal.
00:46:37.000So late last week, Science Magazine archaeology writer Lizzie Wade released a report on the shocking scale of human sacrifice among the Aztecs.
00:46:45.000Students have wondered at the horrifying tales of priestly murder among the Aztecs, the removal of the heart still beating from a living person's torso, the decapitation of the corpse, and the creation of literally racks of skulls to be placed at what is called, I'm going to mispronounce this, but it's called the Tenochtitlan Tzampantli?
00:47:00.000Which is now buried under Mexico City.
00:47:04.000When the Spanish reached this site, they saw this barbarity and they promptly raised the entire... The tump apparently was, I guess, these giant racks of human skulls.
00:47:12.000Like literally thousands and thousands of racks of human skulls.
00:47:15.000So they raised all of that and they knocked down a couple of the Aztec pyramids and then they basically built on top of it.
00:47:21.000Now, according to this author over at Science, some conquistadors wrote about the Tzompantli and its towers, estimating the rack alone contained 130,000 skulls.
00:47:30.000Historians and archaeologists knew the conquistadors were prone to exaggerating the horrors of human sacrifice to demonize the Mexico culture.
00:47:36.000As the centuries passed, scholars began to wonder whether this had even other existed, whether this had existed in the first place.
00:47:43.000But archaeologists at the National Institute of Anthropology and History now say with certainty it did.
00:47:47.000Beginning in 2015, they discovered and excavated the remains of the skull rack and one of the towers underneath a colonial period house on the street that runs behind Mexico City's cathedral.
00:47:55.000The other tower, they suspect, lies under a cathedral's back courtyard.
00:47:58.000The scale of the rack and tower suggests they held thousands of skulls, testimony to an industry of human sacrifice unlike any other in the world.
00:48:05.000An imposing rectangular structure, 35 meters long, 12 to 14 meters wide, slightly larger than a basketball court.
00:48:12.000And likely five to four to five meters high from their knowledge of the era of the Templo Mayor, which is the the giant pyramids.
00:48:19.000Archaeologists, the ziggurats, estimate that the particular phases of the Tum Pantley they found were likely built between 1486 and 1502, although human sacrifice had been practiced since its founding in 1325 here.
00:49:22.000The larger cultural group to which the Mexica belonged, those skulls were the seeds that would ensure the continued existence of humanity.
00:49:28.000They were a sign of life and regeneration, like the first flowers of spring.
00:49:32.000But the Spanish conquistadors who marched into Tenochtitlan in 1519 saw them differently.
00:49:37.000For them, the skulls and the entire practice of human sacrifice evinced the Mexica's barbarism and justified laying waste to the city in 1521.
00:49:43.000OK, I don't know whether it's justified to lay waste to an entire city.
00:50:10.000Okay, time for a quick Federalist Papers.
00:50:11.000So we are all the way up to Federalist 34.
00:50:13.000We are making steady progress through the Federalist Papers.
00:50:15.000This one is, again, by Alexander Hamilton.
00:50:17.000He wrote the vast majority of the Federalist Papers.
00:50:19.000And this one continues to deal with the issue of federal taxation and why it is the federal government should be able to be given...
00:50:25.000Taxing power because there are a lot of folks in the states who said once you give the federal government taxing power They will never stop that of course ended up being largely correct He argues that of course the feds have to have taxing power because they may have to do more in terms of defense He says to form a more precise judgment of the true merits of this question It will be well to advert to the proposition to the sorry advert to the proportion between the objects that will require a federal provision in respect to revenue and those which will require a state provision or
00:50:50.000We shall discover the former are altogether unlimited.
00:50:52.000In other words, it'll cost more to run the federal government because we have to fight wars.
00:50:55.000And the latter are circumscribed within very moderate bounds.
00:50:57.000So that's why we don't have specific limits on the amount of taxation that the federal government can participate in.
00:51:02.000He says the feds will mostly spend on defense and here is the key.
00:51:05.000For all those people who say today that we spend too much money on defense, but we don't spend enough money on social services, the founders thought precisely the opposite.
00:51:11.000They thought that the central function of the federal government was defense and social services were best left to the states and localities, if at all.
00:51:20.000What are the chief sources of expense in every government?
00:51:22.000What has occasioned that enormous accumulation of debt with which several of the European nations are oppressed?
00:51:27.000The answer is plainly wars and rebellions.
00:51:29.000The support of those institutions which are necessary to guard the body politic against these two moral diseases of society.
00:51:35.000He says the expenses arising from those institutions which are relative to the mere domestic police of a state to the support of its legislative executive and judicial departments and judicial departments with their different appendages and to the encouragement of agriculture and manufacturers are insignificant
00:51:49.000In comparison with those which relate to the national defense.
00:51:52.000In other words, all your other functions, those are not going to be nearly as much as you spend on national defense.
00:51:56.000This is why when you hear people say that the founders, when they said general welfare, meant the government ought to spend lots and lots of money on social services.