The Ben Shapiro Show - June 24, 2019


Calculation or Chaos? | Ep. 807


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Length

1 hour

Words per Minute

209.30853

Word Count

12,562

Sentence Count

883

Misogynist Sentences

18

Hate Speech Sentences

45


Summary

Is President Trump's Iran strategy strategy or just chaos? Plus, President Trump changes his mind on ICE rates and Democrats get even more radical. Also, I will regale you with the antics of my children during my wife s graduation ceremony. Later in the hour, we have a lot of news to get to, including the latest on the case against Dr. Dovid Schwartz, the Orthodox Jewish psychotherapist who is challenging a ban on same-sex marriage counseling in the United States. And a new piece from Michael Doran on the tension with Iran. And finally, we finish up the show with a story about my kids' antics at my wife's graduation ceremony, which you won't want to miss. Subscribe to my new podcast, The Ben Shapiro Show, wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget to leave us a rating and review of the show on Apple Podcasts! Thanks for listening and share the podcast with your fellow podcast goons! Ben Shapiro's new book "The Big Stick" is out now! If you like what you hear here, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and tell a friend about it! I'll be looking out for Ben Shapiro on next week's episode of The Big Sticks Podcast on Tuesday nights at 8 PM Eastern Time! Subscribe on iTunes! Thank you for supporting the show and spreading the word to your friends and family about The Big Stick? I'm looking forward to seeing you in the next episode of the Big Stick Podcast! - Ben Shapiro, Big Stick! "Big Sticks" - The Big stick theory? "The Man Who's Big Deal, Big stick Theory? - Big Stick Theory? "Big Stick Theory?" - Big Stuff, Big Steeves, Big Deal Theory, Big Idea, Big Rock Theory, and Big Deal Day, Little Steezy Day, Big Day Day, by: 5/20, 5/25, 6/27/19? 6/28, 7/7/9/19, 8/27, 9/30, 6 7/8, 8, and 7/9, 8/7, 9/8 9, & 8, & 6, & 7, 6, and 8, And 7, and 6, etc., etc., and 7, & so on, 8, etc. Thanks, Ben Shapiro etc.,


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00:00:00.000 Is President Trump's Iran strategy strategy or just chaos?
00:00:03.000 Plus, President Trump changes his mind on ICE rates and Democrats get even more radical.
00:00:08.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:00:08.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:10.000 All righty.
00:00:16.000 Well, we have a lot of news to get to.
00:00:18.000 Also, later in the hour, I will regale you with the antics of my children during my wife's graduation ceremony yesterday.
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00:01:51.000 OK, so we begin today with the latest on the tension with Iran.
00:01:55.000 So before we get to the actual latest on the tension with Iran, there's a really great piece by Michael Doran, who's a senior fellow at Hudson Institute.
00:02:02.000 And he goes through what exactly Iran is trying to do here.
00:02:06.000 And it's it's necessary to understand what Iran is trying to do and what the United States is trying to accomplish to determine what the strategy should be with regard to Iran.
00:02:15.000 Now, listen, the backdrop here is that nobody really knows in foreign policy.
00:02:19.000 It's not it's not a machine.
00:02:20.000 Nobody knows in foreign policy what can happen given any circumstance.
00:02:24.000 Foreign policy is simply too unpredictable.
00:02:26.000 There are, however, tried and true strategies When it comes to things like deterrence, if you're trying to deter somebody's action, they have to know that you are committed to taking a very harsh step should they violate a line, right?
00:02:37.000 This is why President Obama violating his own red line in Syria was so devastating.
00:02:42.000 It's why when President Obama said to Syria, use chemical weapons and that'll violate our red line and then him backing off the red line, it undermined his credibility and it led to tremendous suffering across the Middle East and across the world.
00:02:54.000 It's one of the reasons why a lot of America's enemies got more ambitious and more aggressive in the face of President Obama.
00:03:01.000 In other words, the talk softly and carry a big stick methodology of Teddy Roosevelt isn't just a nice phrase, it's also a very good strategy.
00:03:09.000 That when you carry the stick, people should know that you're carrying the stick.
00:03:12.000 Blustering is not good.
00:03:13.000 Bluffing is not good.
00:03:14.000 If you're going to draw a red line, it actually has to be a red line.
00:03:16.000 And if you're not going to draw a red line, then don't draw a red line.
00:03:19.000 Be very clear about where your lines are so that people know that if they cross them, you're going to smack them.
00:03:24.000 That is sort of the predicate to this discussion.
00:03:27.000 We have to know what exactly the policy is.
00:03:29.000 And the policy has to be backed by an actual grand strategy.
00:03:33.000 It can't just be haphazard.
00:03:34.000 It can't be you're frustrated, so you throw a missile somewhere.
00:03:37.000 The Clintonian policy of An embassy gets bombed in Kenya or Tanzania, and so we toss a missile at a drug factory in Sudan.
00:03:45.000 You can't actually do that, right?
00:03:47.000 That doesn't evince any sort of fear on the part of your enemies or the belief in consistency.
00:03:53.000 Foreign policy is a lot more like parenting when the United States is involved than it is like a bargain between mutual friends.
00:04:01.000 There is no community of nations.
00:04:03.000 When it comes to the international community, there's no community.
00:04:05.000 The international community is a dog-eat-dog space, and that means that the most powerful hand, the whip hand in international politics, has to be very predictable and very solid.
00:04:14.000 People have to know what they are going to do before they do it, especially if they're going to take a strong policy.
00:04:19.000 Okay, so what exactly does Iran want?
00:04:21.000 Because right now, Iran has been engaged in aggressive antics for the past several months.
00:04:25.000 Well, Michael Doran, as I said, has a really good piece over at Mosaic.
00:04:28.000 It's called, What Iran Is Really Up To.
00:04:31.000 He says, in April 2015, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, the JCPOA, that is the Iran nuclear deal signed by President Obama, a garbage deal, was still to be formalized, but Republicans preparing to run for president in the following year were already denouncing it.
00:04:45.000 At a public forum in New York City, The Washington Post columnist David Ignatius asked Javad Zarif, the Iranian foreign minister, whether he worried that one of these Republicans, if elected, might overturn the deal.
00:04:55.000 Zarif answered confidently.
00:04:56.000 "Any successor to Barack Obama would be constrained by international law, by America's commitments, formal and informal, to allies and partners, and by all the norms that govern relations among nations today." He said, "I believe the United States will risk isolating itself in the world if there's an agreement and it decides to break it.
00:05:11.000 The result of any such action," he predicted, "would be chaos." Zarif's comments, says Doran, prefigured the strategy that Iran's Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei, is following today in his brinksmanship with President Trump.
00:05:22.000 Playing on the fear, especially prevalent among European elites and American Democrats, that Trump is, precisely, an agent of chaos, Khamenei has taken a leaf from the book of Chinese leader Xi Jinping, who in 2017 appeared at the World Economic Forum as the representative of enlightened globalism.
00:05:37.000 We should adhere to multilateralism to uphold the authority and efficacy of multilateral institutions, Xi declared.
00:05:43.000 We should honor promises and abide by rules.
00:05:45.000 The chords struck by Xi were still resonating in the halls of the G20 summit in Buenos Aires last December, when the assembled leaders adopted a joint communique, affirming their commitment to a rules-based international order.
00:05:57.000 This is shorthand for slapping Trump, presumably.
00:05:59.000 Khomeini intends to leverage the fears that haunt Europeans by raising the specter of war and simultaneously offering a cooperative, multilateral way to exercise it, namely by returning America to the Iran nuclear deal.
00:06:11.000 His goal is to place President Trump's renunciation of the Iran nuclear deal on the unofficial agenda of this week's G20 summit, which begins Saturday, June 29th and 30th.
00:06:21.000 In the hope that it will win a place on the shortlist of Trump's major sins against a rules-based international order right up there with the American president's economic protectionism and his disavowal of the Paris climate accord.
00:06:32.000 So basically what Khamenei wants is to get the Europeans to pressure President Trump into re-signing the Iran nuclear deal.
00:06:38.000 Why?
00:06:39.000 Because the Iran nuclear deal allows Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, as I'll explain in just a second.
00:06:43.000 Rather, as Michael Doran explains over at Mosaic.
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00:07:59.000 OK, back to the strategy that Iran is using here.
00:08:03.000 So according to Michael Doran, he says it was the Iranian President Hassan Rouhani who revealed the public face of the new strategy.
00:08:08.000 The date, May 8th, was highly symbolic.
00:08:10.000 Exactly one year earlier to the day, Trump had renounced the nuclear deal and reimposed sanctions on Iran.
00:08:15.000 His country's patience, Rouhani declared in a televised speech, was exhausted.
00:08:19.000 For 12 months, Iran had displayed admirable forbearance in the face of Trump's maximum pressure campaign against it.
00:08:25.000 It had done so, he said, in an obvious nod to the Europeans, in large part because nameless signatories to the Iran nuclear deal had asked Tehran to avoid acts of retaliation while they worked to help shelter it from the worst ravages of American sanctions.
00:08:37.000 Rouhani said, Now, notice that Rouhani is actually using the same language here that Barack Obama used about Iran.
00:08:47.000 Barack Obama suggested that the strategy was strategic patience, and now Rouhani is saying that he is using strategic patience against Trump.
00:08:53.000 In other words, the rogue actor here is not Iran.
00:08:55.000 The rogue actor is Trump, according to the Iranian regime.
00:08:59.000 But now they are going to give way to strategic pressure.
00:09:02.000 According to Rouhani, Iran would cease to observe the restrictions the nuclear deal placed on its stockpiles of heavy water and enriched uranium.
00:09:08.000 On June 17th, the spokesman of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization followed up, disclosing that Iran's stockpiles were set to exceed the JCPOA limits in 10 days, just in time for the G20 summit.
00:09:20.000 Iran, in other words, would have to break the deal in order to save it.
00:09:22.000 They were basically trying to push the Europeans, saying, listen, we're going to break the deal.
00:09:25.000 We're going to go full nuclear unless you reinstate the Iran nuclear deal and pass off.
00:09:31.000 And they were going to increase the pressure in order to generate a feeling of chaos such that the Europeans would pressure President Trump to sign up to an agreement again.
00:09:39.000 That is the goal here.
00:09:40.000 The goal here is to get the Europeans to basically undercut President Trump and to undercut Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and to undercut the Trump administration's getting out of the Iran nuclear deal.
00:09:54.000 According to the prevailing view, what pushed Iran over the edge and precipitated Rouhani's May 8th speech was the Trump administration's decision in April to tighten economic sanctions that were seriously affecting the Islamic Republic's ability to sell its oil.
00:10:07.000 But this view overlooks something else.
00:10:08.000 On May 3rd, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo revoked two waivers that had been allowing Iran to ship heavy water to Oman.
00:10:15.000 and low-enriched uranium to Russia.
00:10:17.000 When Rouhani announced five days later that Iran would cease complying with the JCPOA restrictions on enriched uranium and heavy water, he was reacting directly to Mike Pompeo's May 3rd revocation of the two waivers.
00:10:27.000 Iran's policy of strategic pressure then, says Mike Duran, this is a really good piece, is made up of three separate but interlocking lines of effort.
00:10:33.000 One, a struggle to gain relief from the oil and banking sanctions.
00:10:37.000 Two, a campaign to tarnish President Trump as an agent of chaos.
00:10:40.000 And three, an initiative aimed at keeping its nuclear waivers in place.
00:10:45.000 Among these, the third is by far the most important.
00:10:48.000 So what are these waivers?
00:10:50.000 Well, apparently there are a bunch of waivers that permit the Europeans to cooperate with the Iranians on projects permitted under the terms of the Iran nuclear deal.
00:10:58.000 There are seven sets of such waivers in total.
00:11:00.000 Pompeo has revoked only the two that pertain to the export of enriched uranium and heavy water, but the other five remain in force.
00:11:07.000 Now, there are people inside the Trump administration who say we should end all the waivers, and that would dramatically put pressure on the Iranian economy.
00:11:15.000 But there are also people in the State Department who didn't want that kind of pressure on the Europeans.
00:11:19.000 The Europeans were lobbying Washington to continue renewing all of the waivers, and those efforts were partially successful.
00:11:26.000 The five waivers escaped the acts because they applied to activities in which Iran's partners are European.
00:11:31.000 Presumably, the Europeans kept Tehran well informed regarding the debate in Washington.
00:11:36.000 Khamenei understands that the Europeans are fighting hard to save the nuclear deal and that their support is an asset to Iran and that the debate over the waivers has also been creating in the transatlantic alliance a fissure that benefits Iran.
00:11:47.000 He also understands that the fight is by no means over.
00:11:50.000 The administration usually grants waivers 180 days.
00:11:53.000 On May 3rd, it shortened the term to 90 days.
00:11:56.000 Khomeini is intent on pressuring the Europeans and interested powers like Japan to convince the American president to reinstate the two revoked waivers and commit his administration to leaving the other five in place for the remainder of his term in office.
00:12:08.000 Also, the Trump administration has been considering whether to activate the multilateral snapback mechanism at the U.N., meaning that there was a mechanism that Was supposed to be in place during the Iran nuclear deal that if the Iranians violated the agreement, the sanctions would snap back.
00:12:24.000 And there's enough information to show that the Iranians have violated the nuclear deal because there are archives showing that Iran never abandoned its nuclear weapons program, but simply restructured it, emphasizing dual use activities to allow Tehran to falsely claim that they are pursuing peaceful nuclear activities.
00:12:40.000 If Trump were to invoke the snapback, then a bunch of sanctions would be put back into place.
00:12:46.000 So Khamenei must instead push the idea that he has been abiding by the deal, that the waiver should stay in place, and that as President Trump puts new pressure, the possibilities of chaos are increasing.
00:13:00.000 So this is the game.
00:13:00.000 This is the game.
00:13:01.000 And he's being helped out in this game by Democrats.
00:13:04.000 So Democrats have been jumping on the bandwagon.
00:13:06.000 Europeans have been jumping on the bandwagon as well.
00:13:08.000 The press have been jumping on the bandwagon proposing that it's President Trump who seriously wants war.
00:13:13.000 Now, there's no evidence that President Trump wants war.
00:13:14.000 In fact, Trump keeps saying over and over and over again that he does not, in fact, want war.
00:13:21.000 Here's President Trump over the weekend explaining that everyone was saying I'm a warmonger.
00:13:24.000 Now they're all saying I'm a dove.
00:13:25.000 So what's the deal?
00:13:26.000 Everybody was saying I'm a warmonger.
00:13:30.000 And now they say I'm a dove.
00:13:32.000 And I think I'm neither.
00:13:35.000 You want to know the truth?
00:13:36.000 I'm a man with common sense.
00:13:38.000 And that's what we need in this country is common sense.
00:13:41.000 But I didn't like the idea of them knowingly shooting down an unmanned drone.
00:13:48.000 And then we kill 150 people.
00:13:50.000 I didn't like that.
00:13:52.000 Okay, Maxine Waters, right, comes out and she is actually doing the work of the Iranian administration.
00:13:56.000 She tweets out, Why was the unmanned drone in Iran's airspace?
00:13:59.000 It wasn't.
00:13:59.000 the strike against Iran.
00:14:00.000 Why was the unmanned drone in Iran's airspace?
00:14:02.000 It wasn't.
00:14:03.000 Why the surveillance?
00:14:05.000 Because you have to surveil international airspace.
00:14:07.000 Don't provoke and then pretend innocence.
00:14:09.000 So everybody is jumping on the Iranian bandwagon here.
00:14:12.000 I mean, this is pretty astonishing.
00:14:14.000 So basically, you have a bunch of people in the Democratic Party who made a deal with the Iranian regime and then blamed the Republicans, saying the Republicans were trying to undercut the deal and this helped Iran's hardliners.
00:14:25.000 That was an absolute lie.
00:14:26.000 The Iranian hardliners are the government.
00:14:29.000 Hey, now you have the Iranian government, which is stumping for chaos, specifically in order to undercut Trump, and Democrats are signing up for the party.
00:14:36.000 You got folks like Adam Schiff, who are suggesting that it's Trump's chaos in the Middle East, even though he knows that it's Iran.
00:14:41.000 You have people like Maxine Waters overtly parroting Iranian propaganda.
00:14:46.000 That's what's going on here.
00:14:48.000 Now, in a second, we're going to get to President Trump's actual strategy here, because here is the problem.
00:14:52.000 This is a point where you do need a certain level of stability.
00:14:55.000 You need the president's strategy to be out there.
00:14:58.000 You need him to explain his strategy.
00:15:00.000 People have to know where the lines are, where he is willing to bend, where he is not willing to bend, because otherwise the Iranians have an interest in upping the ante.
00:15:08.000 If, as I suggest, the Iranians are interested in chaos, then forwarding chaos would seem to be what they are looking for.
00:15:14.000 Okay, so here is President Trump's policy.
00:15:16.000 So, according to the Wall Street Journal, President Trump ended up bucking his national security aides on his own proposed Iran attack.
00:15:24.000 They say President Trump bucked most of his top national security advisors by abandoning retaliatory strikes in Iran on Thursday.
00:15:29.000 In private conversations on Friday, Trump reveled in his judgment, certain about his decision to call off the attacks while speaking of his administration as if removed from the center of it.
00:15:38.000 Trump told one confidant about his own inner circle of advisors, quote, Now, again, I disagree with that on a fundamental level.
00:15:48.000 I don't think that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is itching for war with Iran.
00:15:51.000 I don't think that John Bolton is itching for war with Iran.
00:15:54.000 Despite all of the talk about this, I really don't.
00:15:57.000 And the notion that these folks are just desperate to go to a war that would end with tens of thousands of American dead, presumably, and billions, if not trillions, of dollars spent.
00:16:06.000 Nobody is interested in that.
00:16:08.000 But one of the ways that you prevent war is you prevent international misunderstanding that escalates into war.
00:16:12.000 Because here's two ways of falling into war.
00:16:14.000 Way number one, the United States reacts to an Iranian provocation, and then the Iranians try to pancake a bunch of American bases, and then we're in a war.
00:16:22.000 Okay?
00:16:23.000 Because we were too harsh in our response.
00:16:25.000 Way number two is that we aren't harsh in our response.
00:16:28.000 Iran keeps pushing the envelope to the point where we have no choice.
00:16:31.000 Iran shoots down a manned American aircraft.
00:16:33.000 Iran takes, captures a bunch of American soldiers.
00:16:36.000 Iran kills an American.
00:16:38.000 Now, President Trump has said, if they do that, then we're going to have to do something.
00:16:42.000 Well, you got to set the lines.
00:16:45.000 Because the Iranians are going to push right up to the line.
00:16:47.000 Whatever the line is, the Iranians are going to push all the way up to it.
00:16:50.000 And if you don't make clear what the line is, if you have a secret line in your head, and the Iranians violate it, you can find yourself in a war much more easily than if you say, here is the line, you cross it, and the hammer comes down.
00:17:00.000 Right now, it's not clear where President Trump's line is, because he keeps moving around on the line.
00:17:06.000 And listen, maybe there's a strategy in place, but it would be good to hear it.
00:17:09.000 It would be good to hear what the strategy is, because the Iranians clearly have a strategy, and that is to play on the sense of chaos inside the Trump administration to convince the Europeans to pressure Trump to make a deal, and for them to appeal to Trump's isolationist side.
00:17:24.000 Because here's what the Iranians are going to do now.
00:17:25.000 What the Iranians are going to do is they're going to go to the Europeans and they're going to say to the Europeans, look, Trump's an agent of chaos.
00:17:30.000 You need to get him back in this Iran nuclear deal.
00:17:33.000 We can go back to status quo ante under the Iran nuclear deal and everything will be all better.
00:17:37.000 And that chaotic Trump will be taken off the table.
00:17:39.000 And then what you're going to get are Europeans and isolationists in the United States who go to President Trump and say, you don't need a war, man.
00:17:45.000 And the best thing you can do here is do exactly what you did with NAFTA, which is you can sign a deal that looks a lot like the Iran nuclear deal, but call it Trump's deal and then get all the credit.
00:17:54.000 And that's sort of an appealing pitch to President Trump.
00:17:57.000 Now, this rests on what do you think America's interests are?
00:18:00.000 Really, in the end, this rests on what do you think America's interests are in the region?
00:18:04.000 Part of the problem for President Trump is, I'm not sure that he really believes America has significant interests in the region.
00:18:09.000 He keeps signaling back and forth.
00:18:12.000 So on the one hand, he says that we have an interest in Iran not gaining a nuclear weapon.
00:18:15.000 Okay, well if that's true, Iran's been violating the nuclear deal, so the sanctions should stay in place.
00:18:19.000 On the other hand, When they are shooting ships and blowing them up in the Straits of Hormuz, the president seems unconcerned about that.
00:18:27.000 So here's what the president tweeted today.
00:18:28.000 Quote, China gets 91% of its oil from the Straits, Japan 62%, and many other countries likewise.
00:18:34.000 So why are we protecting the shipping lanes for other countries, many years for zero compensation?
00:18:39.000 All of these countries should be protecting their own ships on what has always been a dangerous journey.
00:18:43.000 We don't need to be there in that the US has just become by far the largest producer of energy anywhere in the world.
00:18:48.000 The US request for Iran is very simple.
00:18:50.000 No nuclear weapons and no further sponsoring of terrorism.
00:18:54.000 But here's the reality.
00:18:55.000 When it comes to no further sponsoring of terrorism, who knows whether President Trump is really committed to Iran not sponsoring terrorism in the region.
00:19:03.000 Why should we care?
00:19:05.000 For the same reason that he doesn't seem to care about the straits of Hormuz, why should we care if Iran is sponsoring a war in Yemen?
00:19:10.000 That's a very far away place.
00:19:11.000 And this is sort of Tucker Carlson's point over the weekend.
00:19:14.000 The truth is, however, in international politics, there is no such thing as a vacuum.
00:19:18.000 So, let's say that the United States were to pull out of the Gulf of Oman and the Straits of Hormuz.
00:19:23.000 We're just going to pull out right now.
00:19:25.000 And China were to take control, because it's a lot of Chinese oil that is going through.
00:19:30.000 And China were to work with Iran.
00:19:32.000 Do you think that that's beneficial for the United States?
00:19:35.000 For China to control a significant amount of the world's oil supply?
00:19:39.000 The fact is that we have a global oil market.
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00:19:49.000 In 1973, when OPEC decided on an oil embargo against the United States, the United States was still a solid producer of oil.
00:19:58.000 But it does impact the global oil prices and the price of the pump if, in fact, the other players in the global market decide that they are going to shut down key shipping lanes like the Straits of Hormuz.
00:20:09.000 So when the United States retreats from the world scene, that is not left open.
00:20:13.000 And that also encourages the threat of violence in the end, because you strengthen China.
00:20:18.000 President Trump is very concerned, I think rightly so, at the global ambitions of the Chinese.
00:20:23.000 He's rightly concerned at the strength of China's government and China's territorial ambitions.
00:20:28.000 So would the goal be to hand over the Straits of Hormuz?
00:20:30.000 To me, that's no better than Vladimir Putin taking control of Syria.
00:20:34.000 We have geopolitical rivals.
00:20:35.000 Those geopolitical rivals are interested in taking more territory under their own control and then providing threats to America's national security as well as to America's partners and allies, as well as to global trade and economics.
00:20:47.000 If you believe that global economics is entirely global, indeed it's a global thing, The United States has an interest in preserving the freedom of economics and the freedom of flow of things like oil.
00:20:57.000 If you believe that there are rival countries out there that have territorial ambitions and want to form alliances with evil countries like Iran in order to forward those ambitions, and that as those countries gain power, they become more threatening to the United States, you got a problem.
00:21:11.000 Now, listen, you can err on the other side, too, right?
00:21:14.000 You can err on the other side of looking to go to preemptive war every five minutes because you think that you see a threat around every corner.
00:21:20.000 You can do that, too.
00:21:21.000 And we ought to be cautious.
00:21:22.000 We ought to be cautious.
00:21:23.000 I think one thing that we learned from the debacle in terms of intelligence in Iraq is that we ought to be cautious about these things, obviously.
00:21:31.000 There's also a point to be made, which is if you can take an action that forestalls the growth of an alliance against you at a cheap cost, meaning you knock out Iran's navy, for example, and Iran isn't going to go to full war.
00:21:45.000 If that's the analysis, then maybe that's something you got to say to them.
00:21:49.000 Right now we don't seem to have a strategy in President Trump.
00:21:52.000 Well, he may have been right not to strike the Iranians over the downing of the drone.
00:21:57.000 I said last week, I think that he was wrong.
00:21:58.000 Maybe he's right.
00:21:59.000 Maybe he's right.
00:22:00.000 Whatever it is, it has to be part of a broader strategy because if it really is just gut level, we're doing it or we're not doing it.
00:22:06.000 That's going to allow Iran exactly what they want, which is to grant this feeling of chaos.
00:22:09.000 Now, maybe you're a full isolationist.
00:22:10.000 You think we should pull out of the region entirely.
00:22:12.000 You don't care if Iran takes control of the Strait of Hormuz.
00:22:15.000 You don't care if China gets involved.
00:22:16.000 You don't care if the Russians gain power.
00:22:18.000 You think that the United States should basically retreat within its own borders and then leave the world as is.
00:22:23.000 I think that's bad foreign policy.
00:22:25.000 I think that that's a mistaken foreign policy, because the fact is, either the United States occupies this space, or our enemies occupy this space.
00:22:32.000 And if we can do so at low cost, we ought to occupy the space, because if we don't, we will have to defend that space at much higher cost in the future.
00:22:40.000 But we have to decide on what the vision is for foreign policy, because President Obama campaigned on retrenchment, and then he retrenched.
00:22:46.000 That was not good for America.
00:22:48.000 President Trump campaigned on retrenchment, too, on foreign policy.
00:22:51.000 And so far, he has not retrenched, and that's been good for American foreign policy.
00:22:55.000 Is he retrenching now?
00:22:57.000 I don't know.
00:22:58.000 No one knows.
00:22:59.000 And that actually helps the Iranians in the sense that they want to portray Trump as an agent of chaos.
00:23:03.000 OK, in just a second, we'll get to the Trump administration again sending some mixed signals on this thing.
00:23:08.000 President Trump looking sort of isolationist on the one hand and meanwhile acting out on the other.
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00:24:53.000 Okay, so in terms of mixed signals, the president has been issuing muscular calls.
00:24:58.000 He suggested that if they cross a red line, if the Iranians cross a red line, there will be obliteration like you have never seen before.
00:25:05.000 He suggested this over the weekend. - Not looking for war, and if there is, it'll be obliteration like you've never seen before.
00:25:13.000 But I'm not looking to do that.
00:25:15.000 But you can't have a nuclear weapon.
00:25:17.000 You want to talk, good.
00:25:18.000 Otherwise, you can have a bad economy for the next three years.
00:25:21.000 No preconditions?
00:25:22.000 Not as far as I'm concerned.
00:25:23.000 No preconditions.
00:25:24.000 And you'll talk anyway?
00:25:25.000 Here it is, look.
00:25:26.000 You can't have nuclear weapons.
00:25:28.000 And if you want to talk about it, good.
00:25:29.000 Otherwise, you can live in a shattered economy for a long time to come.
00:25:34.000 Okay, notice, there are a couple things that he's saying here that are really interesting.
00:25:37.000 One is, he says, if you cross a line, an unspecified line, then we will destroy you.
00:25:42.000 And then he suggests that the line is the development of nuclear weapons, but he doesn't mention anything about terrorism, or about Iranian aggression in the Gulf of Oman, or any of that sort of stuff.
00:25:51.000 Which puts him back on the path to re-entering the Iran nuclear deal.
00:25:55.000 Because if the idea is all we have to do is stop Iran from getting a nuke, he can just re-sign into an agreement where supposedly they stop creating nuclear weapons.
00:26:03.000 Which is what Obama was falsely claiming.
00:26:06.000 Senator Tom Cotton, who's an ally of the administration, a very strong ally of the administration from Arkansas, obviously a man also with military experience, who's on Fox News Sunday, he said, the big problem here is we don't have a firm set of boundaries.
00:26:16.000 He's saying the same thing I'm saying here, and I think Cotton is correct, obviously.
00:26:20.000 I think retaliatory strikes were warranted when we were talking about foreign vessels on the high seas.
00:26:24.000 I think they were warranted against an American unmanned aircraft.
00:26:28.000 What I see is Iran steadily marching up the escalation chain.
00:26:31.000 It started out with threats.
00:26:33.000 It went to an attack on vessels and ports.
00:26:35.000 It went to an attack on vessels at sea.
00:26:37.000 Now it's an unmanned American aircraft.
00:26:39.000 I fear that if Iran doesn't have a firm set of boundaries drawn around its behavior, we're going to see an attack on a U.S.
00:26:46.000 ship or U.S.
00:26:47.000 manned aircraft.
00:26:48.000 Okay, and he's exactly right.
00:26:49.000 You at least have to make clear to them that if they kill an American, then we are going to blow their navy off the map, right?
00:26:55.000 You have to set some sort of line.
00:26:57.000 Just like with a child.
00:26:59.000 My children.
00:27:00.000 If my children do X, they get punishment Y. That is the way that foreign policy has to work.
00:27:04.000 As well.
00:27:05.000 The Obama administration was looking to box President Trump in by creating the nuclear deal.
00:27:05.000 And here's the thing.
00:27:10.000 They were boxing in everybody who opposed Iran's nuclear weapons program over the long haul.
00:27:15.000 It was originally designed to box in Israel so Israel wouldn't strike at Iran's nuclear facilities.
00:27:19.000 It was also designed to box in Trump because the idea was, OK, well, we've taken the nuclear weapons thing off the table.
00:27:24.000 So what are you complaining about?
00:27:26.000 And Trump said, well, what we're complaining about is Iran using billions of dollars in our money for terrorism, or money we were holding back from Iran for terrorism.
00:27:33.000 We're concerned about Iran's regional ambitions.
00:27:35.000 And so we're placing sanctions back on them.
00:27:37.000 Also, we think they're lying about the nuclear weapons.
00:27:39.000 Now, Iran is attempting to force Trump back into the Obama-created box.
00:27:44.000 They're trying to suggest that President Trump is the agent of chaos.
00:27:47.000 They're trying to suggest that the only way out of this morass right here, the only way to avoid war, is for President Trump to basically bribe them and give them a pathway free to a nuclear weapon.
00:27:56.000 In just a second, I'll show you how Democrats are jumping on this bandwagon trying to help Iran out.
00:28:00.000 President Trump should not fall for the trap.
00:28:02.000 Again, if he's a full-on isolationist, believes the United States should not be in the region, he's willing to abandon that area of the world to the vicissitudes of the Chinese and the Russians and the Iranians, that's one thing.
00:28:11.000 But I don't think that's what President Trump wants.
00:28:12.000 And I think that's not what his supporters want either.
00:28:15.000 We'll get to that in just one second.
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00:29:28.000 Okay, so Democrats are jumping onto the Iranian bandwagon.
00:29:31.000 Kamala Harris, who's running for president on the Democratic side and is also a NARC, she says on Face the Nation that President Trump created the situation.
00:29:38.000 So it's not the Iranians who obviously are creating this chaotic situation specifically in order to reach out to people like Kamala Harris so she will pressure Trump.
00:29:47.000 It's Trump who's the bad guy.
00:29:48.000 She is falling right for this.
00:29:49.000 She's doing the work.
00:29:51.000 Not intentionally.
00:29:52.000 She's not a traitor or anything.
00:29:53.000 But she is doing the work of the Iranian government because the Iranian government is, I think, in quite smart fashion, attempting to create a feeling of pressure all around President Trump based on the fact that people don't like Trump personally.
00:30:04.000 And Kamala Harris is jumping right in, doing the work the Iranians are looking for the left to do.
00:30:09.000 Here's Kamala Harris.
00:30:10.000 We have to conduct ourselves in a way that we are smart about what we do to have one and one goal only, which is ensuring that our nation is secure.
00:30:23.000 And it cannot be the goal to express one's ego and to engage in gamesmanship without much serious regard to the consequence.
00:30:35.000 And I think that's what we've seen in this president.
00:30:36.000 Oh, well, you know, it's Trump who's the agent here.
00:30:38.000 He's the problem.
00:30:39.000 You got the Washington Post with headlines like this.
00:30:41.000 Trump's erratic policy moves put national security at risk.
00:30:44.000 Experts warn.
00:30:46.000 Oh, it's the experts now.
00:30:47.000 It's not the Washington Post's opinion.
00:30:49.000 They found some experts.
00:30:50.000 One of the beautiful things about the media is you can always find an expert who's going to back whatever position you wish to push.
00:30:56.000 I don't see an article in the Washington Post today.
00:30:59.000 Iran seeks chaos in order to preserve nuclear option.
00:31:03.000 Experts warn.
00:31:04.000 Well, they could have quoted some experts.
00:31:05.000 I know some experts, but no, those aren't the experts they want to talk to.
00:31:08.000 The New York Times has a piece today from Susan Rice, a former national security advisor to Barack Obama, suggesting that it's President Trump's fault.
00:31:16.000 That is President Trump's fault.
00:31:18.000 She says, President Trump's process of ordering and then canceling military strikes was a mess, but he now has an opening to restart talks on Iran's nuclear program.
00:31:25.000 Ah, there's the punchline.
00:31:26.000 The punchline, members of the Obama administration doing exactly what Iran would like them to do, trying to push President Trump back into a bad Iran nuclear deal that allows Iran a pathway to a bomb and also allows Iran to pursue its regional ambitions with American and European cash.
00:31:40.000 They're doing exactly what Iran wants them to do.
00:31:43.000 The only way to fight that is for the president to take a forthright, strong and solid stance on what exactly he's willing to do, what our policy is, And that's our policy.
00:31:56.000 Take it or leave it.
00:31:57.000 That's the way it is.
00:31:58.000 And you have Cory Booker.
00:31:59.000 This is always amusing to me.
00:32:01.000 It's Cory Booker and Democrats claiming that President Trump can't act on Iran without coming to Congress.
00:32:05.000 Let me just point out that the Iran nuclear deal was never approved by the majority of the Senate necessary to approve treaties.
00:32:12.000 It is not, in fact, a treaty.
00:32:13.000 Let me point out that Barack Obama routinely violated his oath of office by exceeding his constitutional boundaries.
00:32:19.000 Now we've got Cory Booker saying, well, you know, President Trump can't act on Iran without coming to Congress.
00:32:23.000 Realistically speaking, the last time we declared an official war in the United States, Was back in World War II.
00:32:30.000 We haven't had an official war since then.
00:32:32.000 So Cory Booker is a little late to this bandwagon.
00:32:34.000 I'm sympathetic, by the way, to the idea the president should go to Congress for foreign policy.
00:32:39.000 I mean, that is the way the Constitution is supposed to work.
00:32:41.000 All I'm pointing out is that Democrats seem to have had a slight change of heart about the powers of the executive branch as soon as the man in the Oval Office was named Trump, not Obama.
00:32:50.000 I think there's bipartisan group of senators that spoke pretty clearly last week that this president cannot take military action against Iran without coming to Congress.
00:32:59.000 The 2001 authorization for the use of military force does not cover a military strike against Iran.
00:33:06.000 The Constitution speaks very clearly on this, that he needs to come to Congress before he engages in military action that, again, could have us tumbling towards chaos and war in that region.
00:33:17.000 Okay, now to Libya.
00:33:19.000 Now to Libya, where we went to full-scale war to achieve basically not much, except getting rid of a bad guy Qaddafi and replacing him with a bunch of terrorists, which is basically what happened in the aftermath of all of that.
00:33:30.000 The legislature ended up trying to legislate from a boat off the coast of Libya.
00:33:35.000 I don't remember all of the congressional debate about Libya.
00:33:38.000 Good times.
00:33:38.000 Anyway, in a second we'll get to immigration, where also we're seeing some mixed signals.
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00:35:02.000 Okay, in just a second, we'll get to immigration.
00:35:04.000 President Trump put ICE raids on hold over the weekend.
00:35:06.000 And then we'll get to the insane radicalism of the Democratic Party, which continues to basically pledge to hand out everything for free, everything in the universe.
00:35:15.000 It's incredible.
00:35:17.000 We'll get to that in just one second.
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00:36:14.000 In other news over the weekend, the president of the United States said that he would temporarily put deportation efforts on hold.
00:36:27.000 You remember late last week, he sort of randomly announced on Twitter that there were going to be ICE raids, which is already kind of weird.
00:36:33.000 I mean, I pointed out last week, this is the president who says that you need strategic unpredictability.
00:36:38.000 Announcing raids in advance is probably not a great strategy if you're then going to do immigration raids.
00:36:43.000 Well, President Trump pulled back from that over the weekend.
00:36:45.000 He tweeted out that, at the request of Democrats, I have delayed the illegal immigration removal process, deportation, for two weeks to see if the Democrats and Republicans can get together and work out a solution to the asylum and loophole problems at the southern border.
00:36:59.000 If not, deportations start.
00:37:01.000 Now, let me pause that for just a second.
00:37:02.000 That's a very odd formulation.
00:37:05.000 Either the deportations are useful or they are not useful.
00:37:08.000 Either they are good or they are not good.
00:37:09.000 The case that he has been making is that these deportations are necessary because they're going to be directed against people who already have deportation orders.
00:37:16.000 In other words, people who have overstayed visas, people who have been adjudicated by a court to be absconding, people who have committed crimes.
00:37:23.000 So saying that you are going to wait to do anything to see if Democrats will make a deal with you on the border is like, what would the deal include?
00:37:30.000 Keeping these people here?
00:37:32.000 It's very weird.
00:37:33.000 Like, he doesn't have to do this.
00:37:34.000 Either do the deportations or don't do the deportations.
00:37:37.000 But to make a contingent on the Democrats funding the border is very, is a strange policy.
00:37:43.000 He then continued along these lines and suggested that he was going to reinstate this in a couple of weeks.
00:37:50.000 According to the Washington Post, President Trump abruptly suspended his wide-ranging threat to deport millions of undocumented immigrants starting on Sunday, demanding that Democrats and Republicans forge a plan to stanch the record flows of asylum-seeking families across the southern border into the United States.
00:38:06.000 Okay, then why are we negotiating over them?
00:38:08.000 Why aren't we just deporting them?
00:38:09.000 "have already been ordered to be deported." This is his old tweet.
00:38:12.000 "This means they have run from the law "and run from the courts.
00:38:14.000 "These are people that are supposed to go back home "to their home country.
00:38:16.000 "They broke the law by coming into the country "and now by staying." Okay, then why are we negotiating over them?
00:38:21.000 Why aren't we just deporting them?
00:38:23.000 Now, President Trump suggests that the deportations are gonna start in a couple of weeks.
00:38:28.000 Nancy Pelosi wrote that the delay is welcome.
00:38:31.000 She said families belong together.
00:38:32.000 So Democrats aren't going to make a deal.
00:38:34.000 Instead, they're just going to suggest that this is another act of cruelty.
00:38:37.000 Because this is one of the things that Democrats do on immigration, and it really is awful.
00:38:41.000 And that is that they facilitate cruelty, and then they suggest that the cruelty is the fault of the Republicans.
00:38:48.000 They make the cruelty happen, and then they suggest that it's the fault of Republicans.
00:38:51.000 The best evidence of this was over the weekend.
00:38:54.000 When there was a tape of a government lawyer that was going around in which the government lawyer was telling a panel of Ninth Circuit judges that it is safe and sanitary to confine immigrant children in facilities without soap or toothbrushes and to make them sleep on concrete floors under bright lights.
00:39:10.000 The idea here is that the Trump administration is uniquely cruel to illegal immigrant children.
00:39:16.000 Sarah Fabian, the senior attorney at the Department of Justice online office, rather, of immigration litigation, was instantly excoriated online.
00:39:24.000 As fate would have it, the clip of her argument went viral at the same time as a new wave of reports of brutal and inhumane conditions at immigration confinement centers.
00:39:32.000 Nobody is in favor of any of this stuff, obviously.
00:39:35.000 We want better conditions on the border.
00:39:37.000 However, it is worth noting that what exactly this lawyer was arguing over was an Obama-era policy.
00:39:44.000 In other words, it was the Obama-era policy not to give these kids toothbrushes.
00:39:47.000 It was initiated then, and the Trump administration, the Office of Legal Counsel, the Department of Justice, they were arguing simply that it was time to reconsider the so-called Flores Settlement.
00:40:00.000 Ken White has a piece over at The Atlantic in which he talks about this.
00:40:04.000 He says the government's safe and sanitary argument did not arise from a new case generated by Trump administration policies.
00:40:10.000 It arose in 1985, during the Reagan administration, when a 15-year-old Salvadoran child named Jenny Lisette Flores was detained after entering the United States illegally, hoping to escape her country's vicious civil war.
00:40:20.000 Flores spent two months at a facility in California, confined with adult strangers in poor conditions and strip-searched regularly.
00:40:26.000 In July 1985, she and three other minors brought a class action against what was then called INS, challenging its policies for the care and confinement of minors.
00:40:34.000 The party settled the lawsuit in the Flores Agreement, which required that the government hold minors in facilities that are safe and sanitary, and that they be released from confinement without delay whenever possible.
00:40:44.000 Over the years, lawyers acting on behalf of minors protected by Flores have filed numerous motions asking judges to enforce it.
00:40:51.000 They argue that confining minors in these facilities are not safe and sanitary.
00:40:55.000 Ultimately, a U.S.
00:40:56.000 District Court judge ruled that the Border Patrol was violating the Flores Agreement during Obama.
00:41:02.000 In 2017, she found that the CBP failed to provide adequate food and water to minors.
00:41:06.000 She found that CBP's obligation to provide safe and sanitary conditions, including provided soap, dry towels, showers, toothbrushes, dry clothes, and ordered the Border Patrol to appoint a monitor to bring its facilities into compliance with Flores.
00:41:20.000 G's order put the government in a technical legal bind.
00:41:22.000 When a federal judge appoints an official to monitor compliance with an already existing injunction or agreement like the Flores Agreement, the government can't immediately appeal.
00:41:30.000 The government can only appeal if the judge modifies the prior injunction or order.
00:41:33.000 So the U.S.
00:41:34.000 argued that this judge altered the deal, that before it was considered safe and sanitary, now it's no longer considered safe and sanitary so they can appeal.
00:41:43.000 So it's a bad argument, right?
00:41:44.000 It's an immoral argument, but the litigation began under the Obama administration.
00:41:50.000 The litigation began there.
00:41:51.000 The Trump administration should be condemned for the argument, says Ken White, but it's wrong to think the problem can be cured with a presidential election.
00:41:59.000 Administrations for 20 years have been doing this sort of stuff.
00:42:04.000 Nonetheless, Trump gets the blame because that's the way that this works.
00:42:07.000 Meanwhile, Democrats refuse to provide the funding that would actually rectify this situation.
00:42:11.000 Okay, meanwhile, the Democrats get increasingly radical.
00:42:14.000 So they are all competing for attention at this point.
00:42:17.000 Bernie Sanders has now unleashed a new proposal.
00:42:19.000 You'll recall that Elizabeth Warren created a proposal that would fund free college education for all going forward.
00:42:27.000 Going forward in time, we would tax wealth and then we would use that money, or Wall Street transactions, we'd use that money to fund college education for everybody.
00:42:35.000 This was always stupid.
00:42:37.000 The reason it was stupid is because disproportionately the people going to college They're not lower class people.
00:42:43.000 Lower income people, rather.
00:42:44.000 They're folks who are generally middle to high income who are going to college.
00:42:48.000 And so you basically have a regressive tax that is going to people who are going to be earning money after they leave college.
00:42:54.000 Also, if you want to ensure that the price of college goes down, you don't subsidize it with taxpayer dollars.
00:42:59.000 There are two areas of American life where prices have consistently gone up since the 1970s.
00:43:04.000 One is student loans.
00:43:05.000 The other is health care.
00:43:07.000 Both are increased in cost because of government involvement.
00:43:10.000 When the government subsidizes things, the costs go up.
00:43:13.000 You have artificially increased demand.
00:43:15.000 By artificially increasing demand, you have limited the supply still further in comparison with the demand.
00:43:20.000 And that means that you're going to get increased prices.
00:43:22.000 This is basic econ 101.
00:43:25.000 It's really stupid.
00:43:26.000 It encourages people to go to college and major in stupid things that they don't need to major in.
00:43:29.000 College is not for everyone.
00:43:32.000 In fact, the path to success for a lot of smart people is not just that there are a bunch of people who go to college and they don't need to because they're going to work with their hands or they're going to be mechanics or something.
00:43:42.000 No, there are a lot of smart people who don't need to go to college because they're smart and they can just get started in business.
00:43:47.000 My business partner here at Daily Wire did not graduate college.
00:43:49.000 He went to JUCO for two years and then he dropped out.
00:43:51.000 He went to a community college and then he majored in music.
00:43:55.000 He could have stayed a musician or he could become the partner in this business and have a lot of money.
00:44:00.000 Mark Zuckerberg didn't finish up at Harvard.
00:44:02.000 Steve Jobs did not finish college.
00:44:04.000 There are just a lot of people who don't need to finish college because college doesn't do what it was supposed to do in the first place for a lot of folks.
00:44:11.000 There are people like my wife for whom college was useful because it finishes with her becoming a doctor.
00:44:16.000 And then there are people who don't really need to be there because they're majoring in poli sci and they're going to get a job teaching history, which they could have done without having to major in poli sci at a university and incur $120,000 of debt minimum.
00:44:27.000 Well, Bernie Sanders is now going even further than Elizabeth Warren.
00:44:30.000 He wants to propose cancelling the entire $1.6 trillion in U.S.
00:44:34.000 student loan debt, which really means $3 trillion, because he also wants to pay for everybody's college going forward.
00:44:40.000 And then there's refi of the student loan debt.
00:44:42.000 So presumably you're talking about probably $3 trillion in actual student loan debt.
00:44:47.000 So now he wants it.
00:44:49.000 And while we're at this, why not just relieve everybody's mortgage?
00:44:52.000 We'll just pay for everybody's mortgage.
00:44:54.000 All it would take is taxing everybody at a higher rate, and then we can relieve everybody's mortgage.
00:44:59.000 Great plan, guys.
00:45:00.000 This is going to go really, really well.
00:45:02.000 Free everything for everyone.
00:45:04.000 You want to win over those blue-collar voters in Ohio?
00:45:07.000 Talk about relieving student debt for a bunch of left-coasters who insist on going to college to major in lesbian dance theory.
00:45:13.000 That's definitely going to win over the middle of the country.
00:45:16.000 Speaking of such pandering, Elizabeth Warren has fought back against Bernie Sanders' radicalism, now calling for gay reparations.
00:45:25.000 I am not kidding you.
00:45:26.000 Under the Refund Equality Act, according to Amanda Prestigiacomo over at Daily Wire, same-sex couples would be able to amend their past taxes, readjusting with jointly filed tax returns, and accepting refunds from the IRS.
00:45:38.000 So in other words, a privilege.
00:45:40.000 Okay, I understand the Supreme Court declared that marriage for same-sex couples was a right.
00:45:43.000 It is not.
00:45:44.000 It's a stupid ruling.
00:45:45.000 I don't care whether same-sex couples get married on a legal level.
00:45:48.000 I'm libertarian on it.
00:45:49.000 Although my libertarianism extends to the government should not be involved in marriage, period.
00:45:54.000 This is a contractual arrangement between two people.
00:45:56.000 I'm not sure, frankly, that there should be tax benefits to getting married.
00:46:01.000 Just on a libertarian level, I think the idea that the government benefits married people at the expense of single people is pretty stupid.
00:46:08.000 Also, it happens not to be true.
00:46:09.000 The fact is that if you tax my wife's and my combined income, we end up in a higher tax bracket.
00:46:13.000 So that's not... It's never been particularly accurate, this idea that getting married provides you massive tax benefits.
00:46:18.000 In any case, her proposal is that because the Supreme Court has now ruled that same-sex marriage is a right provided by the Constitution of the United States, which is an absurd contention, That because of that, now we should go back and basically pay reparations by allowing gay married couples to file in the past, retroactively.
00:46:39.000 Well, they weren't married before, so how exactly would you get to that?
00:46:45.000 She said, the federal government forced legally married same-sex couples in Massachusetts to file as individuals and pay more in taxes for almost a decade.
00:46:52.000 We need to call out that discrimination and make it right.
00:46:56.000 And so, I don't even know how you would do this, because there are a lot of couples who didn't get legally married because they couldn't get legally married, and so Obergefell.
00:47:04.000 Also, how exactly do you prevent people from getting legally married simply for the tax benefits at this point?
00:47:10.000 You and your best friend.
00:47:10.000 I mean, there's literally an Adam Sandler, Kevin James comedy about this, right?
00:47:15.000 Where two guys decide to get gay married for the tax benefits.
00:47:19.000 This is so absurd.
00:47:20.000 Also, if we're going to point out income differentials, Gay couples, gay male couples particularly, have a higher joint income than any other couples in America by statistics.
00:47:31.000 So now you're paying reparations to couples that make more money than any of the other couples by sexual orientation.
00:47:38.000 All of this is ridiculous.
00:47:39.000 At this point, frankly, Elizabeth Warren should just come out for reparations based on you voting for her.
00:47:45.000 Basically, you vote for Elizabeth Warren and she will provide you reparations from somebody else's pocket.
00:47:49.000 That's the direction that we are now moving.
00:47:52.000 Cory Booker, meanwhile, moving radically, too.
00:47:54.000 He says he's not going to rule out meeting with Louis Farrakhan because this is where we are in American life.
00:47:58.000 That Louis Farrakhan, an open, unrepentant, vicious, anti-Semitic piece of crap, that guy is still receiving plaudits from people like Cory Booker because the woke intersectional crowd insists upon it.
00:48:09.000 Here's Senator Cory Booker saying this. - Excuse me, but you're not supposed to be fair. - I am, I am. - My question was, would you be willing to have an audience with him concerning that Senate matter?
00:48:22.000 You know, I have met, I live in Newark, so we have famous Mosque 25, we have Nation of Islam there.
00:48:29.000 As mayor, I met with lots of folks.
00:48:31.000 I've heard Minister Farrakhan's speeches for a lot of my life, so I don't feel like I need to do that, but I'm not one of these people that says I wouldn't sit down with anybody here what they have to say.
00:48:42.000 But I live on a neighborhood where I'm getting guys on the streets offering and selling his works.
00:48:49.000 I'm very familiar with Minister Louis Farrakhan. - So not only is he very familiar, he will still meet with him.
00:48:56.000 Like the guy who calls Jews termites.
00:48:58.000 They take anti-Semitism so seriously inside this Democratic Party.
00:49:02.000 You know, calling detention centers at the border concentration camps and internment centers and making light of meeting with Farrakhan.
00:49:11.000 What delights these folks are.
00:49:12.000 This is not the way to win a national election, so good luck with that.
00:49:14.000 Time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.
00:49:16.000 So, things that I like today.
00:49:18.000 So, Yoram Hazoni, who is one of my favorite philosophers, really an interesting dude.
00:49:22.000 He's written a book I've recommended before called The Virtue of Nationalism.
00:49:25.000 He has an older book called The Philosophy of Hebrew Scripture that really is interesting.
00:49:29.000 His basic premise is that there is indeed philosophy in Hebrew Scripture in the Old Testament, as Christians put it.
00:49:35.000 That it is not just a book of revelation, that we should approach it as a book with something to say.
00:49:40.000 Now, I totally agree with this.
00:49:41.000 I have an entire chapter in my book, The Right Side of History, that is about, effectively, the philosophy of Hebrew scripture.
00:49:47.000 Yoram Hazoni does this in a very methodical fashion.
00:49:49.000 He says that there's been this tendency in philosophy to separate off So-called revelatory books like the Bible from philosophy.
00:49:56.000 And he points out that if you read Plato, there are times in Plato where Plato talks about hearing voices.
00:50:01.000 Why is that not considered revelatory scripture?
00:50:03.000 Why is it that Parmenides is talking about receiving inspiration from on high?
00:50:07.000 It's not revelatory.
00:50:08.000 He says that's an artificial distinction that in the ancient world, people very often in accessing their reason would suggest that they were speaking with God.
00:50:15.000 That that was sort of godly reason that had descended upon them.
00:50:18.000 So why exactly aren't we looking at the Hebrew Bible for moral lessons that can be sussed out by reason?
00:50:22.000 It's a really interesting book.
00:50:23.000 I think Yoram is a really interesting thinker.
00:50:25.000 Go check out The Philosophy of Hebrew Scripture.
00:50:27.000 A little expensive on Amazon, but worth it.
00:50:29.000 Yoram Hazoni's book from 2012.
00:50:31.000 Really good stuff.
00:50:32.000 Okay, time for a bevy of things that I hate.
00:50:39.000 All righty, so Trump was accused last week of rape.
00:50:44.000 He was accused last week of rape by a gossip columnist.
00:50:48.000 She's been for years a gossip columnist named E. Jane Carroll.
00:50:51.000 She accused President Trump of attempting to rape her in a changing room at Bergdorf Goodman's department store in the mid-1990s.
00:50:58.000 So, her story was in the middle of a book where she also accused Les Moonves of sexually assaulting her and a bevy of other men of sexually assaulting her.
00:51:06.000 Now, listen, I think that all allegations of rape should be taken seriously.
00:51:11.000 I do not, however, think that all allegations of rape are equally credible.
00:51:14.000 Her original story, which was in an interview with New York Magazine, she says that President Trump attacked her after the pair met in a chance encounter while shopping at Bergdorf Goodman in New York City.
00:51:23.000 Carol says that Trump met her She was 52 at the time.
00:51:28.000 Trump met her, and then urged her to try on lingerie shopping with him.
00:51:33.000 She acceded to his request.
00:51:35.000 He urged her to try on some lingerie, and then she laughingly implied he should try on the lingerie.
00:51:41.000 And then they went into a changing room together, or into the changing area.
00:51:44.000 He pushed her into a changing room, pinned her arms to her side, and then sexually assaulted her.
00:51:47.000 She says that she then fought off Trump and escaped.
00:51:51.000 Now, there are several questions about this that should be asked, because if this were a rape prosecution, then you would have to ask the questions.
00:51:57.000 Questions would include, was there anybody else around?
00:52:00.000 Was there any tape of this?
00:52:01.000 Apparently there's no tape of it.
00:52:03.000 Is there any verifying detail?
00:52:05.000 Was she physically damaged by this?
00:52:08.000 People have been comparing it to Juanita Broderick.
00:52:10.000 Juanita Broderick had a friend who, at the time, she showed her torn panties, her bruises, like the whole deal.
00:52:17.000 Also, the timing of the revelation of this story is a little bit suspicious in the sense that this lady did not say anything in 2016.
00:52:25.000 Donald Trump was one of the most famous men in America, even in the 1990s.
00:52:28.000 She was already a gossip columnist for a major New York publication.
00:52:31.000 So this is not You know, she couldn't speak truth to power in the 90s.
00:52:35.000 She certainly could.
00:52:36.000 She could have said something in 2016 when all of these allegations were coming out about Trump.
00:52:40.000 Then she didn't.
00:52:41.000 She's coming out with this the week before her book comes out.
00:52:45.000 The week before her book comes out.
00:52:46.000 Now, very often, one of the claims that's made about this sort of stuff is, why would a woman say this stuff if she has nothing to gain?
00:52:53.000 In many cases, that's true.
00:52:54.000 When you're coming out with a book about it, and you waited to say anything about it until the book comes out, That has to raise some red flags.
00:53:02.000 Her behavior during interviews also raises red flags.
00:53:04.000 Not all allegations are equally credible.
00:53:06.000 Julie Swetnick's allegations against Brett Kavanaugh were on their face significantly less credible than the allegations that were made by Christine Blasey Ford And even those allegations had no supporting detail.
00:53:18.000 And so you couldn't end somebody's career or life based on those allegations.
00:53:22.000 So here is E. Jean Carroll.
00:53:23.000 She's now doing interviews on all the media.
00:53:25.000 And she's making very, very weird statements.
00:53:27.000 I mean, weird statements.
00:53:28.000 So she was asked specifically about why she was not in favor of prosecuting President Trump.
00:53:33.000 There's no statute of limitations on rape in New York, I believe.
00:53:35.000 So why isn't she in favor of pushing for prosecution?
00:53:38.000 Her response leaves something to be desired.
00:53:41.000 So I just, Lawrence, I wish I had said, I wish I said, I'll tell you my age if you show me your tax returns.
00:53:51.000 Yeah, it would have been helpful.
00:53:54.000 So that is a response to, he asked her age, supposedly, and she said that she was in her 50s or something.
00:54:01.000 And she says, well, I wish I had asked for his tax returns.
00:54:02.000 Like, that's what's on your mind right now?
00:54:05.000 Allegedly, he raped you.
00:54:07.000 Allegedly he raped you and you're talking about asking for tax returns?
00:54:10.000 What?
00:54:11.000 And then it gets weirder.
00:54:13.000 Would you consider bringing a rape charge against Donald Trump for this?
00:54:18.000 Why not?
00:54:18.000 No.
00:54:19.000 I would find it disrespectful to the women who are down on the border who are being raped around the clock down there without any protection.
00:54:28.000 They're young women, you know, and mine was three minutes.
00:54:31.000 I'm a mature woman.
00:54:33.000 I can handle it.
00:54:34.000 I can keep going.
00:54:35.000 You know, my life has gone on.
00:54:37.000 I'm a happy woman.
00:54:39.000 Okay.
00:54:41.000 You know what?
00:54:42.000 Decide for yourselves.
00:54:44.000 Decide for yourselves on the credibility of this person.
00:54:46.000 Decide for yourself.
00:54:50.000 I'm sorry.
00:54:51.000 You were, according to her, she was forcibly raped in a dressing room.
00:54:55.000 And now she doesn't want to bring charges.
00:54:56.000 She just wants to talk about it on national TV because she's afraid that it would distract from people being raped around the clock on the border.
00:55:04.000 Okay.
00:55:05.000 I mean, I do find it interesting that this story disappeared basically from mainstream media over the weekend, that on Friday it was one of the bigger stories in the country by the time we finished our radio show.
00:55:15.000 And by Monday, not a lot of coverage of this.
00:55:17.000 Might it have something to do with the fact that this woman being interviewed does not, she does not reek of credibility?
00:55:26.000 Her story does not reek of credibility.
00:55:28.000 Again, rape allegations should be taken seriously, absent any other evidence other than this woman's account.
00:55:34.000 And the president, of course, has denied it, says he doesn't know her.
00:55:37.000 But in the absence of any other evidence, she hasn't brought forward even the people she spoke to contemporaneously.
00:55:42.000 I don't know how seriously you can take something like this, given her behavior during... I mean, all we have to judge is her behavior.
00:55:49.000 That's all.
00:55:50.000 So if we have to judge, as the public, the credibility of a story, obviously you have to judge the credibility of the speaker.
00:55:55.000 Not all speakers are equally credible.
00:55:57.000 All this seems fairly logical.
00:55:59.000 So maybe it happened, maybe it didn't.
00:56:00.000 I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows.
00:56:01.000 Except for Trump and this woman.
00:56:04.000 All you can do is judge based on the evidence in front of you, just decide for yourself.
00:56:07.000 Okay.
00:56:08.000 Other things that I hate.
00:56:09.000 So, everything is stupid.
00:56:11.000 Lillian Gish, one of the more famous actresses in American history.
00:56:15.000 And the model, the very model of a feminist woman.
00:56:17.000 Well, she has now been removed, her name, from a campus theater.
00:56:21.000 Why?
00:56:21.000 Well, because she was in D.W.
00:56:23.000 Griffith's Birth of a Nation.
00:56:24.000 So she starred in the 1915 silent film, which is a vicious, racist, awful film, aired, by the way, by Woodrow Wilson at the White House, because Woodrow Wilson was the worst president in American history.
00:56:33.000 He was a garbage, terrible human being.
00:56:35.000 His students at Bowling Green requested the change.
00:56:38.000 And after a study, it was agreed to change the name.
00:56:42.000 Now, a bunch of Hollywood stars, including James Earl Jones, Helen Mirren, and Martin Scorsese, have released an open letter calling for Bowling Green to retain Agish's name.
00:56:50.000 She was from Ohio.
00:56:52.000 They point out that D.W.
00:56:54.000 Griffith's film takes an indefensible racist approach to the history of the Civil War and Reconstruction, but as even the University admits, Lillian was no racist.
00:57:01.000 Her work in many films, such as Griffith's own Intolerance, a dazzling four-part overview of world history in which she plays the symbolic mother figure rocking the cradle of humanity and tolerance, The Broken Blossoms, an interracial drama.
00:57:13.000 The 1955 masterpiece, The Night of the Hunter, in which she plays a protector of endangered children.
00:57:18.000 The 67 film of Graham Greene's The Comedians, in which she challenges Haiti's dreaded secret police.
00:57:23.000 So the idea is if she played a part in a movie and the movie is racist, therefore they're going to remove her name from things.
00:57:29.000 That's where we are.
00:57:31.000 Is this making America any better?
00:57:33.000 Speaking of things that you wonder if it makes America any better, there are a bunch of schools that are named after Robert E. Lee.
00:57:38.000 Now, Robert E. Lee's legacy has come up for a lot of debate recently, I think fairly.
00:57:42.000 There's some new accounts, new histories written about Robert E. Lee, talking about how he treated his slaves specifically, how brutal he was in all of this, what he really was, whether he had been kind of, whether he'd been painted with the sepia Afterglow, because of the attempt to repaint a level of heroism in the Civil War that didn't exist in the cause.
00:58:05.000 Well, schools named after Robert E. Lee are now trying to figure out how to deal with the fact that changing the signage cost them a lot of money.
00:58:14.000 So they are now looking to pick new Lees to be named after.
00:58:18.000 Unintended consequences, everybody.
00:58:19.000 Now, here's the thing.
00:58:20.000 You could just name all these schools after Richard Henry Lee, who was one of the founding fathers and the sponsor of the resolution in Congress that led to the Declaration of Independence.
00:58:30.000 It was a resolution suggesting that the colonies hereby ought to be independent.
00:58:36.000 So Richard Henry Lee, an actual founding father, member of the Virginia House of Burgesses.
00:58:40.000 He presided over the first confederation, meaning before continental Congress was formed.
00:58:46.000 You could name him after Richard Henry Lee, but I guess that wouldn't be woke enough.
00:58:49.000 I'm not sure.
00:58:49.000 I believe he held slaves, so that's not woke enough.
00:58:51.000 So I think Bruce Lee is probably the best thing to do.
00:58:53.000 So we'll just have a bunch of Bruce Lee schools all over America, which, frankly, is kind of hilarious.
00:58:59.000 This is where we have moved.
00:59:01.000 OK, so we will be back here a little bit later today with a couple additional hours of content.
00:59:05.000 We will see you then.
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00:59:37.000 Hey guys, over on the Matt Wall Show, Representative Ilhan Omar is accused now of marrying her brother in order to skirt our immigration laws.
00:59:46.000 A very bizarre, weird situation, but if it's true, she committed a serious crime.
00:59:51.000 Is it true though?
00:59:52.000 Well, we'll take a look at the evidence and you decide.
00:59:55.000 Also, speaking of looking at evidence, President Trump is accused again of sexual assault,