The Ben Shapiro Show - May 19, 2016


Ep. 121 - Trump's Media Strategy Is Brilliant. Also, Don't Trust Him.


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

201.3065

Word Count

10,837

Sentence Count

812

Misogynist Sentences

36

Hate Speech Sentences

22


Summary

Trump drops the R bomb on Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, and the media loses its collective mind. Why does anyone care about the first black president? And why is it that Bill Clinton is no longer as popular now as he was in 2000, when he was elected to the White House? Is it because he s now a liability for the left? Or is it because Hillary Clinton is now running for president, and Donald Trump is just dropping the final hammer to finish the job she s already started? Ben Shapiro explains how Hillary Clinton killed Bill Clinton s legacy, and now Trump is dropping the R Bomb on her and her husband, and how it s going to hurt them both in 2020. Plus, a look at Trump s Supreme Court nominee list, and why he s about to become the next president of the United States, and what it means for the future of the country. Ben Shapiro: Is Donald Trump on his way to becoming the next President of the U.S. or is Hillary Clinton on her way to reclaiming her old stomping grounds in 2020 and taking control of the presidency? The Ben Shapiro Show is a show about politics, sex, lies, and white privilege. Subscribe to the Ben Shapiro Podcast on Apple Podcasts Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices. Become a supporter of the show: bit.ly/support-and-support-the-ben Shapiro Show. Learn about our upcoming presidential candidate, Donald Trump, and his Supreme Court pick, Ted Cruz, in our new book, "The New York Times bestselling book, and much more! on Amazon Prime Video, coming soon! Subscribe and review our new limited-edition hardcover hardcover edition of the new limited edition of his new novel, The Devil Next Door, out now! on Audible, out in paperback and on Vimeo, starting on Dec. 27th, exclusively on Nov. 9th, only. Watch the video on Wednesdays, only on the 21st, only in the 27th edition of The FiveThirtyEight, coming in paperback edition, coming out on the 28th and 30th and 31st, and in paperback, including a limited edition edition, on Weddings, so you won t be able to watch the entire series of the book, The New York Review of The New Yorker, The Testaments, coming in hardcover, and more? available on the 30th edition, The White House Journalist


Transcript

00:00:00.000 On Wednesday evening, appearing on Fox News' Hannity, also known as The Donald Trump Show, Donald Trump dropped the R-bomb on Bill and Hillary Clinton.
00:00:07.000 Hannity asked Trump, Trump added, and raped.
00:00:24.000 Well, the media lost its collective mind over this exchange.
00:00:28.000 Mostly, they cannot understand why anyone would lay a glove on the first black president.
00:00:33.000 Doesn't everybody love Bill, if not always consensually?
00:00:37.000 A former Clinton aide told The Hill, quote, I think that people remember the booming economy under President Clinton, and they remember he led the largest expansion in American history, and experts on all sides of the aisle agree.
00:00:48.000 That's why he's been so in demand for campaigns across the country in recent years.
00:00:52.000 How would that ever, ever,
00:00:55.000 Here's the answer.
00:00:56.000 Hillary Clinton killed Bill Clinton's legacy, and now Trump is just dropping the final hammer.
00:01:00.000 Over and over in this campaign, Hillary has been forced to throw her husband's crime legacy under the bus to appease the radical racists at Black Lives Matter.
00:01:09.000 When Bill defended his crime law from BLM activists, he said, quote,
00:01:16.000 Hillary immediately threw him over saying, quote, there were a lot of people very scared, very concerned about how high crime back in the day.
00:01:22.000 Now we've got to say, okay, we have to deal with the consequences over incarceration of people who should not have been in the criminal justice system.
00:01:29.000 Hillary also tossed Bill's welfare reform legacy under the bus.
00:01:32.000 The bill Bill Clinton signed into law, written by the Gingrich Republicans, took millions off the welfare rolls.
00:01:37.000 In April, Hillary dumped all over it.
00:01:39.000 She said, quote, now we have to take a hard look at it again, especially after the Great Recession.
00:01:44.000 Hillary's also preparing to toss NAFTA out the window.
00:01:47.000 That was Clinton's major trade advance, opening American markets to Mexican and Canadian products, and vice versa.
00:01:52.000 In 2000, she said NAFTA was, quote, an inherited agreement.
00:01:55.000 We didn't get everything we should have got out of it, in my opinion.
00:01:58.000 In 2007, she said, quote, NAFTA was inherited by the Clinton administration.
00:02:02.000 We should quit giving it away so willy-nilly.
00:02:04.000 We want to be involved in the global economy, but not be played for suckers.
00:02:08.000 So, what exactly is that Sterling Bill Clinton legacy?
00:02:12.000 Hillary has already mushed it on the substance in order to avoid criticism.
00:02:16.000 Now Trump is delivering the double tap to the Clinton legacy on character grounds.
00:02:20.000 Now Bill Clinton isn't as popular now as he was in 2000 when he left office.
00:02:24.000 There's a reason for that.
00:02:25.000 Bill Clinton governed as a moderate Republican in his second term, and it worked.
00:02:29.000 And Democrats have been trying to run away from that uncomfortable truth ever since.
00:02:33.000 But in order to stand up for far leftism, they've had to target and tear down every single plank of Bill Clinton's success story.
00:02:40.000 If Trump had trotted out Juanita Broderick and the rape accusations back in 2000, wouldn't have done much.
00:02:45.000 But it has impact now, because Hillary has already damaged her own husband.
00:02:50.000 Bill Clinton is no longer a weapon for the left.
00:02:52.000 He's a liability.
00:02:53.000 When Hillary tweets about how all sexual assault accusers deserve to be believed, everybody immediately wonders if there's a mirror anywhere near Chappaqua.
00:03:02.000 When Hillary complains about income inequality, people look at Bill and his million-dollar speeches.
00:03:07.000 The Democrats, not the Republicans, made Bill Clinton toxic.
00:03:11.000 Now they're about to reap the whirlwind and Donald Trump's gonna grin all the way to the White House.
00:03:15.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:03:15.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:03:25.000 Alrighty, so here we are.
00:03:26.000 It's been a very, very busy 24 hours.
00:03:29.000 I've been featured prominently at websites for no apparent reason because I am not a pro-Trump person.
00:03:33.000 Maybe we'll talk about that later, or maybe we'll just ignore it because it's a terrible website.
00:03:38.000 But in any case, we will start today with Donald Trump rolling out his much-valued list of
00:03:46.000 Eleven conservative judges he may want to appoint to the Supreme Court.
00:03:49.000 So first of all, it is important to note, Donald Trump has said, Donald Trump has said, that this is not his complete list.
00:03:54.000 The list may grow.
00:03:55.000 The list may shrink.
00:03:56.000 It's more of a guide to the kind of judge he's going to appoint.
00:03:59.000 In other words, it doesn't mean anything.
00:04:00.000 It's just that he's throwing it out there to please people like me so that we look at it and we go, yeah, those are great judges.
00:04:05.000 That sounds awesome.
00:04:07.000 And then later he says, well, I didn't say I was going to appoint somebody from that list.
00:04:10.000 I just said it's a list.
00:04:12.000 You know, like a list, and like a BuzzFeed list, and you know, I'll kind of appoint somebody who I think is good.
00:04:17.000 Well, there's two, so here's the thing.
00:04:20.000 Any promise that's made in life, any promise that's made in life, is reliant on two elements.
00:04:25.000 One, the content of the promise, and two, the person who's making the promise.
00:04:28.000 If OJ, if you go out of town, and OJ Simpson calls you up and says, don't worry about it, I'll take care of your wife.
00:04:35.000 Okay, this is a promise that you probably are not happy with because it's good.
00:04:38.000 Somebody's going to take care of your wife.
00:04:40.000 However, if it's OJ, the promise doesn't mean quite what you think it means.
00:04:46.000 Also, he's not really trustworthy.
00:04:48.000 So Donald Trump makes a promise, right?
00:04:50.000 Like, I'm going to pick somebody like the people on this list.
00:04:52.000 And then we have to determine, is he telling the truth or not?
00:04:55.000 So there would be two ways in which he could be telling the truth.
00:04:57.000 Way number one would be Donald Trump has actually thought this through.
00:05:01.000 Now he believes in constitutional originalism.
00:05:03.000 He believes in the idea that the Constitution means what it meant when it was written.
00:05:08.000 Maybe he studied up and now he truly believes this stuff.
00:05:11.000 He's become an expert on constitutional jurisprudence, or at least he understands the Constitution well enough to care about it.
00:05:17.000 That's possibility number one.
00:05:19.000 Possibility number two is he just delegates out and then he pays no attention once it's been delegated.
00:05:24.000 He just sticks to his guns and that's always how it is.
00:05:26.000 So, first, let's dispense with possibility number one, right?
00:05:30.000 That he knows what he's talking about.
00:05:32.000 Donald Trump knows nothing about the Supreme Court.
00:05:34.000 Again, this isn't the end of the world.
00:05:35.000 It's okay.
00:05:36.000 He doesn't have to know everything about everything.
00:05:37.000 But he knows nothing about the Supreme Court.
00:05:39.000 I mean, this is a guy who said in open debate his number one qualification for appointing someone to the Supreme Court would be investigating and prosecuting Hillary Clinton.
00:05:47.000 Which is like saying that your number one qualification for a plumber is that he paints your walls.
00:05:52.000 Right?
00:05:52.000 The Supreme Court does not do that.
00:05:54.000 That's not a Supreme Court thing.
00:05:56.000 That's a DOJ thing.
00:05:57.000 He doesn't know the difference.
00:05:58.000 He also said that judges sign bills.
00:06:00.000 I don't know... Did he never even see that schoolhouse rock about how bills get passed?
00:06:05.000 Like, where was he for kindergarten?
00:06:07.000 But in any case...
00:06:08.000 Sean Hannity has Trump on and he guides him through his list of nominees and this is pretty it's pretty funny because when you hear Trump actually try to read the list of nominees it's clear he's reading this now for the first time he's never seen this list of nominees ever before in history and and Sean is like a like a school teacher trying to slowly guide him
00:06:29.000 through this.
00:06:29.000 It's like, have you ever seen The Music Man?
00:06:32.000 At the very end of The Music Man, Robert Preston, who plays kind of this con man who's trying to teach kids how to play music, he hasn't taught them how to do anything.
00:06:40.000 And miraculously, they suddenly figure out sort of how to play.
00:06:43.000 Right?
00:06:44.000 Miraculously.
00:06:44.000 And he's kind of guiding them through it slowly.
00:06:46.000 That's Sean Hannity with Donald Trump.
00:06:47.000 So here's Sean Hannity having Trump run through his list of judicial nominees or possibilities.
00:06:54.000 Today was a very big day.
00:06:56.000 You have a list of names.
00:06:57.000 I do.
00:06:58.000 And you had talked to me for a while now about releasing these names.
00:07:03.000 Your judicial philosophy.
00:07:05.000 You said you wanted originalists.
00:07:06.000 You said you wanted people like Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court.
00:07:11.000 That's true.
00:07:11.000 Tell us about this list of names.
00:07:12.000 Well, I've been having a lot of feedback from a lot of different people, and I've had, as you know, tremendous endorsements, and I'm a conservative, and I may have different views on different things, and I think I'm extremely conservative as an example on trade, but a conservative would say I'm not because I don't necessarily believe only in free trade.
00:07:29.000 You know what I believe on trade?
00:07:30.000 Is good deals for the United States.
00:07:32.000 Fair trade.
00:07:32.000 Well, somebody said to me, what is your view on trade?
00:07:35.000 I said, my view is good deals for the United States.
00:07:38.000 It's a very simple view.
00:07:39.000 And if you can call it conservative, call it whatever you want.
00:07:43.000 Number one, what is he talking about?
00:07:45.000 The question was about judicial nominees, and now he's talking about trade, because he thinks he understands trade.
00:07:50.000 He's mistaken in that as well.
00:07:51.000 Donald Trump does not understand trade, but he thinks he does, and so he's misdirecting to trade.
00:07:56.000 You'll see Sean Hannity basically, it's like an old vaudeville act.
00:07:58.000 He kind of grabs a cane and yanks him off stage like one of those hooked canes.
00:08:02.000 The judges, they were saying, well, what happens if he appoints the wrong judges?
00:08:12.000 And what we did, and I just have it, we just took a list of judges and I thought what I would do is put this forward and this would be the list that I would either choose from or pick people very close in terms of the spirit and the meaning of what they represent.
00:08:30.000 Okay, and then he goes through the full list and he misreads half a dozen of the names.
00:08:34.000 Like, he can't pronounce them.
00:08:36.000 He doesn't know who they are.
00:08:37.000 And it's clear he doesn't know who they are because one of the names on the list is Justice Don Willett.
00:08:42.000 Okay, Don Willett is a justice on the Texas Supreme Court who has tweeted repeatedly about how stupid Donald Trump is.
00:08:47.000 So the idea that Donald Trump
00:08:49.000 I don't know.
00:09:05.000 If you want to see the ignorance continue, this is, I thought, the most amusing part of the interview.
00:09:08.000 This is where Sean Hannity tries to feed Donald Trump the answers on constitutionalism and originalism.
00:09:16.000 Now, for those of us in the media, we've all been part of interviews where somebody is trying to get you to give a particular answer.
00:09:22.000 And so they feed you the answer in the question.
00:09:24.000 They feed you the answer in the question.
00:09:26.000 And then you pick up on what they're trying to say, and then you expand upon it, right?
00:09:31.000 Watch what happens when Sean Hannity tries to do this with Trump using words like originalism and constitution.
00:09:37.000 It's really funny.
00:09:39.000 Don Willett of Texas.
00:09:43.000 That's your list.
00:09:44.000 And we're going to either choose from this list or people very close to it in terms of their... So this is your judicial philosophy.
00:09:50.000 Yes.
00:09:50.000 You know, one of the things I think people question, I had interviewed you a lot during this process, and you gave me very specific things.
00:09:58.000 And one of the top things I would ask you often is your judicial philosophy.
00:10:02.000 And you mentioned, as I said, Scalia and Thomas.
00:10:04.000 They are what we call originalists.
00:10:06.000 Right.
00:10:06.000 Constitutionalists.
00:10:07.000 Correct.
00:10:08.000 You are a constitutionalist.
00:10:09.000 Correct.
00:10:10.000 Correct.
00:10:11.000 And I'm also, I want high intellect.
00:10:13.000 I want great intellect.
00:10:14.000 These people are all of very high, high intellect.
00:10:18.000 They're pro-life.
00:10:20.000 And so that's my list and we are going to choose from most likely from this list but at a minimum we will keep people within this general realm and again I have a lot of people that are conservative that really like me love everything I stand for but they really would like to know my view because perhaps outside of the defense of our country
00:10:42.000 Perhaps the single most important thing the next president is going to have to do is pick Supreme Court justices.
00:10:46.000 This will have an impact for generations to come.
00:10:49.000 Oh, generations.
00:10:50.000 He's feeding him lines and Trump can't even pick it up, right?
00:10:54.000 He says, you're for the Constitution.
00:10:55.000 Yep.
00:10:56.000 You think that you think that originalism is good, correct?
00:11:01.000 Okay, so a little bit of backstage here at the Ben Shapiro Show.
00:11:05.000 So I have a really bad habit, okay?
00:11:07.000 And that habit is people talk to me, and I just start ignoring them.
00:11:10.000 And everybody who works with me knows that this happens, and that's why everybody's laughing.
00:11:14.000 Because what happens is somebody will ask me a question, and I'm clearly not paying attention, and so I just say yes, right?
00:11:19.000 And this is how I signed away the deed to my firstborn child.
00:11:23.000 Somebody asked me a question, I'm not paying attention, and I just say yes.
00:11:26.000 So my wife has learned, unless I repeat the question back,
00:11:29.000 I'm probably not listening.
00:11:30.000 The question never happened.
00:11:32.000 It's like it never happened.
00:11:33.000 So Trump, he's not even paying attention.
00:11:35.000 He's just, he's doing the same thing here.
00:11:38.000 You're an originalist.
00:11:39.000 Yep.
00:11:39.000 Yep.
00:11:41.000 What I would love is, and Sean would never do this, of course, because it defeats the purpose of the love relationship that's been created here, is for Sean to say, define originalism.
00:11:50.000 Right, and just watch as Trump looks around in panic, and then swivels back to 999, like Herman Cain.
00:11:57.000 Right, just watch his head.
00:11:58.000 Okay, so, this dispenses with the idea that Trump has suddenly become a judicial scholar, and that this is what he truly believes.
00:12:03.000 No, he doesn't.
00:12:04.000 Okay, so the other argument is it doesn't matter what he truly believes.
00:12:07.000 He got the list from Heritage Foundation, he got the list from National Review, or from FedSoc, Federalist Society, and now he's just going to implement it.
00:12:15.000 To this I will say...
00:12:20.000 Okay, the reason that this is not true is because Donald Trump, okay, in all likelihood, the Republicans lose the Senate come November.
00:12:28.000 There's about a 40% likelihood they keep the Senate.
00:12:30.000 Even if they keep the Senate, they're going to have a bare majority.
00:12:33.000 They're not going to have 60 votes in the Senate under any circumstances.
00:12:37.000 That means the Democrats will filibuster any nominee Republicans put up who's in any way conservative.
00:12:43.000 Do you think that Donald Trump is going to waste political capital on a topic he doesn't care about when he could just go out and find some cipher of a candidate and get 98 votes for it in the Senate and say, I wanted somebody with very high intellect, somebody who has well-respected and... Does that sound like Donald Trump to you?
00:12:58.000 Somebody who's gonna fight for the judicial nominee?
00:12:59.000 He doesn't care about it.
00:13:00.000 He doesn't care about it.
00:13:02.000 And you're gullible if this is the shred of belief that you're clinging to.
00:13:06.000 You're gullible.
00:13:07.000 Charles Krauthammer thinks this is the shred of belief that people are clinging to.
00:13:10.000 Here's Charles Krauthammer basically saying that.
00:13:13.000 I think it'll have a dramatic effect in doing that.
00:13:16.000 The one thing holding back people who've resisted supporting Trump, or at least the major thing, is the fear of what a Clinton presidency would do to the Supreme Court and how it would change it for a generation.
00:13:29.000 Now you get a list of 11 who are quite sterling.
00:13:33.000 Three of them clerked for Justice Thomas.
00:13:36.000 Two of them for Justice Scalia.
00:13:38.000 The six federal judges all appointed by George W., which means they are conservative and they are relatively young.
00:13:46.000 So this is a future-looking list.
00:13:48.000 The only caveat is what you and I heard in the interview that'll be on with Hannity tonight, where Trump said his appointee will most likely be from this list.
00:14:00.000 Not going to be, but most likely.
00:14:02.000 How do you interpret that?
00:14:03.000 I don't know.
00:14:04.000 He always leaves himself a wiggle room.
00:14:05.000 He says he likes to have leverage.
00:14:07.000 He keeps the leverage, but what he does is to kindle a little bit of doubt.
00:14:12.000 Okay, and that's exactly right, but it doesn't matter.
00:14:14.000 People are already jumping on the bandwagon.
00:14:16.000 So I called into Dennis Prager's show today because he was sort of staking his claim on this.
00:14:20.000 Well, now he's released the list.
00:14:21.000 Okay, if you thought that Trump was stupid enough, like I say that he's dumb, okay?
00:14:24.000 But he's not dumb-dumb, okay?
00:14:26.000 He's not the dumbest guy in the world, right?
00:14:27.000 Donald Trump's like a 105, maybe 110 IQ guy, but he's not a 90 IQ guy.
00:14:32.000 Donald Trump is not stupid enough that he can't find somebody, that he can't find somebody to put together a list for him.
00:14:38.000 He's not that dumb.
00:14:39.000 Of course he's gonna come up with a list.
00:14:41.000 And then he'll throw it out there, and he'll say, okay, here's my list.
00:14:43.000 And that's basically what he did.
00:14:45.000 But it doesn't matter, because people who are looking for a shred to pin their hopes on, they find it, and then they love it.
00:14:53.000 And that's what they do.
00:14:54.000 And so he'll get away with it.
00:14:56.000 People will say people are looking for what they want to look for.
00:14:58.000 You know, those of us who say those of us who insist on having the most realistic view of Trump, which is that he doesn't tell the truth, which is that he is a narcissist who is driven solely and completely by whatever benefits Donald Trump.
00:15:09.000 We have our proof, right?
00:15:10.000 He already is wiggling.
00:15:11.000 Within an hour of bringing out this list, he's wiggling on it.
00:15:14.000 People who want to believe desperately that he's a conservative so they can feel better about going to the polls for a guy who openly caters to some of the worst people on earth, who doesn't agree with anything conservative in reality.
00:15:26.000 Somebody who is a narcissist with dangerous tendencies.
00:15:30.000 If you're looking for a reason to vote for him, I guess now you found a reason to vote for him.
00:15:33.000 I guess now you feel better about yourself.
00:15:34.000 But don't fool yourself.
00:15:35.000 You're taking a very sanguine, rosy view of Donald Trump.
00:15:38.000 And again, none of this is to make the case that Donald Trump will be a worse president than Hillary Clinton.
00:15:42.000 My guess is probably Hillary would be a worse president than Trump.
00:15:44.000 I don't know.
00:15:45.000 He's an unpredictable force.
00:15:47.000 The only consistent...
00:15:49.000 element of Donald Trump is that Donald Trump worships at the altar of Donald Trump, which is kind of scary to me.
00:15:54.000 He has, you know, fascistic tendencies in terms of how he talks about violence.
00:15:58.000 He's happy to cater to the worst people on earth.
00:16:00.000 He doesn't have any idea about checks and balances.
00:16:03.000 He could be worse than Hillary.
00:16:04.000 He could, maybe he won't be worse than Hillary.
00:16:06.000 But Donald Trump is not going to do all the things he says he's going to do for you.
00:16:10.000 And in the process, he's going to pervert conservatism.
00:16:13.000 When I called in to Dennis Prager, he said, well, the only thing that would threaten conservatism is if Trump were a good president.
00:16:18.000 And Jeremy Boring, managing editor over here, he made a great point.
00:16:21.000 He said, well, that wasn't true of Herbert Hoover, right?
00:16:23.000 Hoover did a bunch of not-conservative stuff, and he was a terrible president, and conservatism has been slandered with Herbert Hoover for literally almost 100 years.
00:16:31.000 In any case, people are jumping onto the bandwagon.
00:16:33.000 They feel united now.
00:16:35.000 They feel good.
00:16:36.000 And one of the reasons they feel good also is because Trump isn't all terrible, right?
00:16:40.000 He's not 100% terrible.
00:16:41.000 As I've said before, he is a turd sandwich, right?
00:16:44.000 There's some bologna in the turd sandwich.
00:16:45.000 To me, the taste of the turd overwhelms everything.
00:16:48.000 And so I'm not really interested in eating it.
00:16:49.000 But for some people, they're willing to swallow a little bit of turd if it means they get some bologna.
00:16:54.000 So here's Donald Trump.
00:16:56.000 Here's the stuff that he does that people like.
00:17:00.000 And this is why he understands the media cycle.
00:17:02.000 I'm going to explain in a minute.
00:17:03.000 There are five things Trump understands about the media that a lot of people neglect about the media.
00:17:07.000 And this is why Trump is able to manipulate them so well.
00:17:10.000 So number one, Egypt air.
00:17:12.000 There's a flight from Paris to Egypt.
00:17:15.000 And it blows up, basically, in the middle of the air.
00:17:19.000 And it's pretty clearly a terrorist attack.
00:17:21.000 Nobody is willing to say so, because everybody always wants to hold their fire.
00:17:23.000 Trump has no capacity.
00:17:25.000 If somebody had ever given him the order, hold your fire until you see the whites of their eyes, he'd be shooting at them from three miles away.
00:17:30.000 He has no capacity to hold fire.
00:17:32.000 So Donald Trump tweets this out, right?
00:17:34.000 And it's a tweet from Donald Trump.
00:17:35.000 It says, looks like yet another terrorist attack.
00:17:37.000 Airplane departed from Paris.
00:17:39.000 When will we get tough, smart, and vigilant?
00:17:41.000 Great hate and sickness!
00:17:43.000 Exclamation point.
00:17:44.000 And that's how you know that Trump wrote it himself.
00:17:46.000 So he says this and a lot of people go, right, it was a terrorist attack.
00:17:51.000 Right, we should be tough, smart, and vigilant.
00:17:53.000 Yeah, sounds good.
00:17:54.000 And then there are people on the other side who kind of tut him, tut tut him.
00:17:58.000 So former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates comes on television and he says this is undisciplined for him to tweet this.
00:18:03.000 You have some real issues with some things that Donald Trump has said about policy.
00:18:08.000 What do you make of this and what are your issues?
00:18:11.000 One of the things that you learn fairly early when you have responsibility is how often the initial reports or information you get on a situation prove to be inaccurate.
00:18:26.000 With the demands of the news media and so on, there's always pressure to immediately react before you know really what's going on.
00:18:38.000 That's a discipline a lot of politicians frankly don't have, at least until they have responsibility.
00:18:46.000 Okay, so he's irresponsible.
00:18:47.000 And you know what?
00:18:48.000 No one cares.
00:18:50.000 No one, no one cares.
00:18:51.000 Because the bottom line is that Trump said something that needed to be said.
00:18:53.000 It was radical Muslim terrorists.
00:18:55.000 We all know it was radical Muslim terrorists.
00:18:56.000 And he said it before anybody else.
00:18:58.000 So this is lesson number one that Trump understands about the media.
00:19:01.000 So there are five lessons Trump understands about the media.
00:19:03.000 Lesson number one, diagnosis is all that matters.
00:19:06.000 It's all that matters.
00:19:07.000 So he doesn't have any solution there, right?
00:19:09.000 Tough, smart, and vigilant.
00:19:10.000 I'm sure people all over the world are going, oh, well.
00:19:13.000 God, I wish I had thought of that.
00:19:15.000 Tough and smart and also vigilant?
00:19:18.000 Oh, if only that had occurred to... I can't believe it.
00:19:21.000 Now that he says it, it seems so obvious to be tough and smart and vigilant.
00:19:25.000 Okay, so, but he gets credit for it because he was the first one out of the gate saying it was a terrorist attack.
00:19:29.000 So, the diagnosis is right.
00:19:31.000 It doesn't matter what the actual solution is.
00:19:34.000 It doesn't matter what is actually prescribed as the solution.
00:19:36.000 And Trump is great at this.
00:19:37.000 He's great at diagnosis.
00:19:38.000 He's done diagnosis on every issue, right?
00:19:40.000 The economy stinks.
00:19:42.000 Yes, that's true.
00:19:42.000 The economy stinks.
00:19:43.000 Your way of solving it is to destroy it, but sure, that's great.
00:19:46.000 Our foreign policy is a disaster area.
00:19:48.000 Yes, that's true.
00:19:49.000 Your way of solving that is to hand it over to Putin, but the diagnosis is correct.
00:19:53.000 Our social policy is in shambles.
00:19:54.000 Right, but your solution is to hand over bathrooms to the federal and state government.
00:19:59.000 Yeah, but your diagnosis is correct.
00:20:01.000 So his diagnosis is good, and in the media, diagnosis is all that matters, because we're all looking for Nostradamus, right?
00:20:07.000 We're all looking for the guy who's gonna predict the future, or say the things no one else is willing to say.
00:20:11.000 Okay, that's lesson number one, Trump knows about the media, and this is how he controls the media cycle.
00:20:16.000 Lesson number two, if you violate taboos, it drives the media cycle.
00:20:20.000 So, Trump puts out his list of judges, right?
00:20:24.000 And he gets a lot of attention.
00:20:25.000 Yay!
00:20:26.000 Trump's done something conservative.
00:20:28.000 In the same interview in which he says to Sean Hannity that that list is a guide and it may grow, meaning that the list is meaningless, doesn't mean anything.
00:20:35.000 In the same interview where he says that, he drops the R-bomb on the Clintons, right?
00:20:39.000 He says that Bill Clinton has committed rape.
00:20:43.000 And so here is Donald Trump talking about rapey, rapey Bill Clinton.
00:20:47.000 Okay.
00:20:48.000 What Clinton's done.
00:20:48.000 What about what Clinton's done?
00:20:49.000 How big an issue should that be in the campaign?
00:20:52.000 For example, I looked at the New York Times.
00:20:54.000 Are they going to interview Juanita Broderick?
00:20:56.000 Are they going to interview Paula Jones?
00:20:57.000 Are they going to interview Kathleen Willey?
00:20:59.000 In one case, it's about exposure.
00:21:02.000 In another case, it's about groping and fondling and touching against a woman's will.
00:21:06.000 And rape.
00:21:06.000 And rape.
00:21:08.000 And big settlements.
00:21:09.000 Massive settlements.
00:21:10.000 $850,000 to Paul Jones.
00:21:11.000 And lots of other things.
00:21:14.000 And impeachment for lying.
00:21:16.000 Smearing, besmirchment of women.
00:21:17.000 And losing your law license.
00:21:19.000 You know, he lost his law license, okay?
00:21:21.000 Couldn't practice law.
00:21:22.000 And you don't read about this on Clinton.
00:21:26.000 Okay, rapey rapey McRapeRape.
00:21:28.000 Okay, so it's good, he brought it up.
00:21:29.000 Okay, good, yay.
00:21:30.000 As I've said, this should have always been a line of attack for the Republicans against Captain McRape and his wife, first mate McRape.
00:21:39.000 I'm glad that he did this.
00:21:42.000 What this also did, by throwing this out there, is it obscured the fact that he'd already started walking back his judiciary list.
00:21:49.000 So he understands how the headline works.
00:21:50.000 The headline works, you throw out something that's against a taboo, and you get a new headline.
00:21:54.000 In this case, he violated a taboo that shouldn't exist.
00:21:56.000 Don't speak truth about the Clintons.
00:21:58.000 Sometimes he just violates taboos for the sake of violating taboos to change the news cycle.
00:22:03.000 So when he was having a not great news cycle a week and a half ago, suddenly there's some sort of story about how he's his own PR spokesperson, right?
00:22:10.000 It's a taboo, but it's a mild taboo so nobody cares and it's mostly just funny.
00:22:14.000 And so he understands how the news cycle works.
00:22:15.000 That's why the headlines that Trump generates seem to outpace our ability to respond to them.
00:22:20.000 Because the minute we're responding, he's already moving on to the next headline.
00:22:23.000 He's already moving on to the next headline.
00:22:25.000 And the coverage of him is just too great.
00:22:27.000 The third thing that Trump relies on and knows is that everybody hates the media.
00:22:30.000 Nobody trusts the media.
00:22:31.000 And we don't trust the media for a very good reason.
00:22:33.000 He would go on in that quote, by the way, to specifically rip on George Stephanopoulos and the media for protecting the Clintons.
00:22:38.000 And he's right.
00:22:39.000 And he's especially right when you have folks
00:22:42.000 Like Andrea Mitchell over at MSNBC, right?
00:22:47.000 Saying what Andrea Mitchell says, right?
00:22:50.000 She says that this rape accusation isn't real.
00:22:54.000 In another case, it's about groping and fondling and touching against a woman's will.
00:22:58.000 And rape.
00:22:59.000 And rape.
00:23:00.000 Donald Trump using that word unprompted during an interview last night with Fox News' Sean Hannity.
00:23:06.000 Bringing up a discredited and long denied accusation against former President Bill Clinton, dating back to 1978 when he was Arkansas Attorney General.
00:23:15.000 Late last night, the Clinton campaign responded in a statement that read, Trump is doing what he does best, attacking when he feels wounded, and dragging the American people through the mud for his own gain.
00:23:26.000 If that's the kind of campaign he wants to run, that's his choice.
00:23:30.000 Okay, no, two things here.
00:23:32.000 One, Andrea Mitchell says it's discredited.
00:23:34.000 No, it isn't.
00:23:36.000 Juanita Broderick made the accusation.
00:23:37.000 She sticks by the accusation.
00:23:39.000 That's number one.
00:23:39.000 Number two, how terrible are the Clintons at this?
00:23:42.000 And particularly Hillary.
00:23:42.000 How bad is Hillary Clinton at this?
00:23:44.000 I mean, truly awful, right?
00:23:45.000 I mean, she comes back with, well, this is just dragging us all through the mud.
00:23:49.000 Her proper response should be, Donald Trump should watch himself on women, considering his ex-wife, Ivana, accused him in actual court proceedings of pushing her onto a bed and raping her violently.
00:24:01.000 Right?
00:24:01.000 That would pretty much end this conversation.
00:24:03.000 Then we'd be done with the conversation because then it would be, you know, Rapey McRapey and First Mate McRapey against Rapey McRapist.
00:24:11.000 Right?
00:24:11.000 And then it would just be all rape all the time.
00:24:13.000 And there'd be wonderful last level of hell in this campaign.
00:24:17.000 But in any case,
00:24:18.000 Trump understands that nobody trusts the media, and so when he says things, he can say whatever he wants.
00:24:23.000 He also understands that the media have no attention span whatsoever, right?
00:24:27.000 The media have no attention span whatsoever.
00:24:30.000 So, the fact that they have no attention span means that he can shift the headline at will, and that's exactly what he did.
00:24:35.000 So, the first four lessons.
00:24:36.000 Diagnosis is all that matters.
00:24:38.000 Violating taboos drives the media cycle.
00:24:40.000 Nobody trusts the media, and the media have no attention span.
00:24:43.000 Final lesson.
00:24:44.000 What Trump likes to do, and he's taking advantage of it in spades in this campaign,
00:24:49.000 As he says something that's eminently false, and you'll see him say some things now that are eminently false.
00:24:53.000 He says some things that are just not true.
00:24:56.000 And then, nobody challenges him.
00:24:59.000 Instead, what they do is they have somebody on from the other side.
00:25:01.000 So, there's this idea in the media that there's no such thing as truth and falsehood.
00:25:05.000 There's just perspectives.
00:25:07.000 Right?
00:25:07.000 There's just perspectives.
00:25:08.000 So when Michelle Field says, Corey Lewandowski grabbed my arm, and Donald Trump says, no he didn't,
00:25:14.000 And then there's tape that shows he did.
00:25:16.000 Nobody just says to Trump, but there's tape.
00:25:19.000 Instead, it's, why don't you tell us your story, Mr. Trump?
00:25:22.000 Or why don't you tell us your story, Cory?
00:25:24.000 It's never, but there's tape, right?
00:25:26.000 And the same thing is true when Trump says, after years and years of saying openly that he mimicked his own PR man for purposes of a story,
00:25:37.000 Then nobody just says to him, but Mr. Trump, you admitted it in a court proceeding.
00:25:40.000 Why are you lying now?
00:25:42.000 Nobody actually just says that to him.
00:25:43.000 They just kind of present it to him, and then he presents his side, and it's just two sides, and in a situation where there are two sides, most people tend to go, eh, there's probably truth to both.
00:25:51.000 That's how people tend to act.
00:25:54.000 So Trump takes advantage of all of this.
00:25:56.000 Sometimes it's great because he's taking advantage of it to hit the bad guys like Hillary Clinton.
00:26:01.000 Sometimes it's not so great.
00:26:02.000 So Donald Trump said in that same interview with Sean Hannity, the same time he's saying that he believes in constitutionalism and originalism, he says he might sue the New York Times over a piece where they criticize his treatment of women.
00:26:14.000 When you're in politics, it is a deceiving, it's really a pretty rough profession.
00:26:19.000 And I will say this, the political press,
00:26:22.000 Worse than anything else is the political quest for dishonesty.
00:26:24.000 I've got to take a break.
00:26:25.000 Exit question.
00:26:25.000 Would you consider suing them?
00:26:28.000 Well, they're talking to us right now, so we'll see what happens.
00:26:30.000 But they know.
00:26:31.000 I think the Times actually, look, they got caught in a very bad situation.
00:26:36.000 Okay, so now I guess that he says that he's going to sue the New York Times.
00:26:40.000 Yeah, that's someone I trust with our First Amendment rights.
00:26:41.000 I think this is going to be someone who really protects us on the First Amendment.
00:26:45.000 Jeff Bezos at Amazon.
00:26:46.000 We spoke about this earlier this week.
00:26:49.000 Donald Trump doesn't like Jeff Bezos because he owns the Washington Post, and the Washington Post is assigning 20 reporters to cover Trump.
00:26:56.000 So Trump said that he would use the power of the federal government to quash Jeff Bezos by going after Amazon on antitrust.
00:27:03.000 Here's Jeff Bezos answering that.
00:27:05.000 Back in February, Donald Trump said this about Amazon.
00:27:09.000 Believe me, if I become president, oh do they have problems.
00:27:12.000 They're gonna have such problems.
00:27:14.000 How do you react to that?
00:27:16.000 Well, you know, my initial reaction to something like that is to take it very lightly.
00:27:24.000 But, you know, if you reflect on it in the context of what I've just been saying, my view is that's not an appropriate way for a presidential candidate to behave.
00:27:36.000 Okay.
00:27:37.000 Yes, that's true.
00:27:38.000 But nobody cares because Donald Trump understands how the media cycle works.
00:27:42.000 That happened a long time ago.
00:27:43.000 It was at least three days ago.
00:27:44.000 And so we've been through at least two more news cycles since all of that.
00:27:48.000 Okay.
00:27:48.000 Other silly things that Trump says that have gotten obscured.
00:27:50.000 So yesterday he said, he said this yesterday.
00:27:53.000 Okay.
00:27:53.000 This is the guy who's saying we have to be tough, smart, and vigilant against terrorism.
00:27:56.000 Here's Donald Trump talking about what we should have done in the Middle East after the attacks of 9-11.
00:28:01.000 This is on Hannity.
00:28:01.000 We've spent $4 trillion plus in the Middle East.
00:28:05.000 We're in worse shape now than we were 15 years ago.
00:28:08.000 15 years ago, if we wouldn't have done anything, we would have been much better.
00:28:10.000 You wouldn't have had the migration.
00:28:11.000 You would have had a couple of dictators, killers.
00:28:14.000 They call them strongmen.
00:28:15.000 They can call them whatever they want.
00:28:16.000 And they were good at one thing, killing terrorists.
00:28:19.000 And right now, you look at Iraq.
00:28:21.000 That's like Harvard for terrorism.
00:28:23.000 Okay, so he says we shouldn't have done anything in the Middle East after 9-11.
00:28:27.000 Presumably we should have left... Who are these strongmen who are good at killing terrorists in Afghanistan?
00:28:31.000 I missed that part.
00:28:32.000 The part where the Taliban ran the country and provided a safe haven for Osama bin Laden?
00:28:36.000 I missed that part.
00:28:37.000 And the part where... This is such a myth, by the way.
00:28:39.000 Saddam Hussein was great at killing terrorists.
00:28:40.000 Saddam Hussein funded terrorism.
00:28:42.000 He funded terrorism.
00:28:44.000 But, you know, it doesn't matter because Donald Trump... That wasn't the headline.
00:28:47.000 If he just generates 100 headlines a day, then how can you pay attention to any one of them?
00:28:51.000 What this does generate is a fair bit of confusion among Trump defenders.
00:28:54.000 So there are a bunch of people who are having trouble defending Trump.
00:28:58.000 All they can keep shouting over and over is, well, at least he's not Hillary.
00:29:01.000 I agree, at least he's not Hillary.
00:29:04.000 That doesn't go as far as it does for you, because I think that he's going to do significantly more damage to the conservative movement, and I think that he has fascistic tendencies, but at least he's not Hillary.
00:29:14.000 Okay, but that puts you in the awkward position.
00:29:15.000 All these people who say, we can stand apart from Trump and yet back Trump.
00:29:19.000 We can stand apart from him and yet support him.
00:29:22.000 That's a lot harder than it sounds, gang.
00:29:24.000 It's a lot harder than it sounds.
00:29:25.000 And what you're seeing is people sucked into Trump's orbit, now having to defend him from all of the terrible things that his followers do and that he does, and pretend that these things don't exist.
00:29:35.000 And that's the part that's very frustrating to me is, again, I've said at this point, ad nauseum, that I understand and buy the argument that Trump is the second least bad option.
00:29:46.000 He's the second worst option.
00:29:47.000 That he's better than Hillary.
00:29:50.000 But he's still a terrible person and a bad crap show.
00:29:54.000 I buy that.
00:29:54.000 But what's happening now is people have to get themselves all juiced up for the election.
00:29:59.000 And so that means they have to talk Trump up.
00:30:00.000 And so what you end up with is situations like this.
00:30:02.000 Here's a Trump spokeswoman on CNN trying to explain.
00:30:06.000 Amy Holmes is the woman in the center.
00:30:07.000 She's a conservative.
00:30:08.000 The woman on the right is the spokesperson for Donald Trump.
00:30:11.000 She's wearing the Rick Perry patented smart glasses.
00:30:14.000 And she is being interviewed by Ashley Manfield.
00:30:17.000 She's being asked
00:30:18.000 Donald Trump said that he would meet with Kim Jong-un, the dictator of North Korea, or at least have calls with him.
00:30:24.000 Watch as this lady just... It's a hard job defending Trump.
00:30:29.000 I'm sorry that there are those of you who have decided to sign on for this, but here it is.
00:30:33.000 Kim executed his uncle, he executed his aunt, he executed his military chief, he executed his vice premier.
00:30:42.000 What was Mr. Trump trying to say, Healy?
00:30:46.000 Well, I think top line, you know, Mr. Trump's point is that he wants to keep an open dialogue and repair relationships with world leaders.
00:30:55.000 But what was he trying to say in January at his campaign rally?
00:31:00.000 Well, I'm not going to specify what he meant specifically by those points, but generally speaking, you know, he wants to have an open dialogue to repair relationships with leaders throughout the world.
00:31:10.000 I know, but... Caroline, I think I can answer that question.
00:31:12.000 Okay.
00:31:13.000 I think Donald Trump was trying to project strength.
00:31:16.000 He has said similarly, you know, he's complimented Vladimir Putin in similar terms.
00:31:24.000 I could answer Donald Trump's question, which is how does a guy that young get to be leader of a closed country called the Hermit Kingdom?
00:31:30.000 It's called dynasty and it's called tyranny and it's called murdering your opponents.
00:31:36.000 That's the simple answer, but I think that what Donald Trump was trying to do was sort of sound like a strongman himself.
00:31:42.000 I don't like it.
00:31:43.000 I hope that he refines his point of view.
00:31:46.000 Yeah, and I'm just, well, Keeley, you can't give us any more guidance on this.
00:31:52.000 You're the, you are the senior press representative for Mr. Trump.
00:31:57.000 I am, exactly.
00:31:58.000 And what I'm telling you is that top line, you know, his, one of his biggest goals is to repair relationships with leaders throughout the world.
00:32:06.000 Okay then.
00:32:07.000 Um, Amy, um, the Clinton camp, the Clinton camp fired back that, uh... Okay, so it continues, I mean, this goes on for like a full five... We're gonna have to play the rest of it.
00:32:16.000 This goes on for like a full five minutes.
00:32:18.000 With this, with this gal trying desperately to spin stupid things that Donald Trump is saying.
00:32:22.000 And that's what this campaign is gonna be.
00:32:23.000 It's gonna be him tossing out little tidbits, like Scooby Snacks, from Scooby-Doo.
00:32:28.000 Right, here, here Scooby.
00:32:30.000 Scoob, here, have a Scooby Snack!
00:32:32.000 And the entire conservative press is going to go, yay, roll!
00:32:36.000 And they're going to eat the Scooby Snack, and then they're going to be forced to defend all of the rest of Shaggy's terrible pot use.
00:32:44.000 That's how this is going to go for the Republican Party, and it is quite ugly.
00:32:49.000 Meanwhile, the Democrats are destroying themselves.
00:32:51.000 They're still that.
00:32:52.000 We talked about this yesterday.
00:32:53.000 Dianne Feinstein, senator from California,
00:32:55.000 She's now come out and she says that she's afraid that this is going to turn into 1968 all over again.
00:33:00.000 Dianne Feinstein is the non-stupid woman senator from California.
00:33:04.000 Barbara Boxer is the stupid woman senator from California.
00:33:08.000 Dianne Feinstein's the one with the lifeless eyes.
00:33:10.000 A doll's eyes.
00:33:11.000 Here she is.
00:33:13.000 I think that was the time to have sent a full-throated message to his followers that we don't do this kind of thing.
00:33:23.000 And this kind of thing is antithetical to the process it set out before us.
00:33:28.000 If we don't like the process, we should work to change it.
00:33:31.000 How much does it worry you that he wants to take this to the convention in July?
00:33:34.000 Well, it worries me a great deal.
00:33:37.000 You know, I don't want to go back to the 68 convention because I worry about what it does to the electric as a whole.
00:33:46.000 And he should, too.
00:33:47.000 Okay, so she's worried that Bernie Sanders is going to create a horrible situation, and she's being interviewed by Kermit the Frog.
00:33:55.000 So that's very exciting.
00:33:58.000 Barbara Boxer, who's the stupid woman senator from California, she says that it's absolutely frightening in Nevada.
00:34:03.000 The Sanders people are scaring her, and she's very, very scared, but she still wants to be called senator, not ma'am.
00:34:08.000 Here's what she said.
00:34:10.000 There was no way to control what was happening and I did fear for my safety and I fortunately had a lot of security around me and it's true.
00:34:19.000 The only thing close to that is when Bush v. Gore and I went down to Tallahassee, Florida.
00:34:26.000 To speak outside the courthouse door when they recounted ballots.
00:34:30.000 Newt Gingrich had sent a bunch of people over there to boo me down and I was able to actually talk to them and quieted them down.
00:34:39.000 And so I've never really had anything like this happen.
00:34:42.000 Now I did call Bernie.
00:34:43.000 I did call Bernie a couple of times and he did phone me back last night.
00:34:50.000 He was very distressed, um, about it, and it was a very warm conversation, and I told him, um, he expressed shock that his people would do it.
00:35:00.000 I did tell him... Okay, so, so this, this all went by the wayside, by the way.
00:35:02.000 This, this whole, we were, we, that, that Bernie and I had a conversation.
00:35:06.000 Bernie was not happy with any of this.
00:35:08.000 And the extreme left in the Democratic Party, the people who believe all the same things Hillary believes, but think that she's too corrupt to carry it out,
00:35:14.000 They think that Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the head of the DNC, should basically be out of a job.
00:35:19.000 Van Jones, who is a very radical guy, is the green czar in President Obama's idiotic administration.
00:35:26.000 And a guy with whom I once had a very odd conversation in a CNN green room, actually.
00:35:31.000 He actually compared the cops in the United States to Hamas, which was weird.
00:35:34.000 But Van Jones, he says that Debbie Wasserman Schultz should step down and that she's... He wishes that Reince Priebus were in charge of the Democratic Party.
00:35:43.000 I think you have a leadership failure, possibly in both wings of the party.
00:35:46.000 You are the first person to say that in the last two hours.
00:35:49.000 You may have a leadership failure in both wings of the party, and Debbie, who should be the umpire, who should be the marriage counselor, is coming in harder for Hillary Clinton than she is for herself.
00:35:58.000 That is malpractice.
00:36:00.000 I wish Reince Priebus was my party chair.
00:36:02.000 He did a better job of handling the Trump situation than I've seen my party chair handle this situation.
00:36:07.000 I'm ashamed to say that.
00:36:09.000 Yeah, I said it.
00:36:11.000 I love the mic drop at the end.
00:36:12.000 Yeah, I said it!
00:36:13.000 Okay, so, there is chaos within the Democratic Party as well.
00:36:16.000 As I mentioned yesterday, chaos is what happens when hopes are disappointed, and when your hopes in government fall short, as they always will, everyone will be disappointed.
00:36:24.000 Unfortunately, the human tendency is to react to that disappointment, not by saying, okay, give me my money and my power back.
00:36:30.000 It's to say, who is the nearest guy I can channel my energy and money and feelings into, and that person will take us to the promised land.
00:36:38.000 That does not bode well for the future.
00:36:40.000 Okay.
00:36:41.000 One thing I like, then some things that I hate, and then some mailbag.
00:36:43.000 So, things that I like.
00:36:45.000 My father and I wrote this musical together.
00:36:47.000 This is the second musical that we... We quasi-wrote one musical together.
00:36:50.000 We wrote a second musical together called Reality Check.
00:36:52.000 We put it up at the Odyssey Theater out here in Los Angeles.
00:36:55.000 And it's a lot of fun.
00:36:57.000 And so there's one number that... I'll show you a part of one number.
00:37:00.000 This is when there's... The premise of the show is that there are these five people who knew each other in high school, and now it's five years later, or six years later,
00:37:09.000 And they're all sort of coming together again at an unemployment office.
00:37:14.000 None of them have a job.
00:37:15.000 They're all losers.
00:37:16.000 It's like what friends actually would be like in today's economy, right?
00:37:19.000 They don't have nice apartments.
00:37:21.000 Instead, what they have is unemployment and lost love.
00:37:25.000 And so this guy who you're about to see in this number is my favorite number in the show.
00:37:29.000 This guy, his name is Edward, and he was a basketball star in high school, and he just never made it big.
00:37:34.000 Nothing happened with him.
00:37:36.000 Well, now it is time for whatever comes next.
00:37:58.000 I don't need anybody to eat with me, walk with me, meet with me, talk with me.
00:38:05.000 I don't need someone weighing me down.
00:38:11.000 I don't want to hear your problems.
00:38:13.000 I don't need anybody to give with me, joke with me, live with me, croak with me.
00:38:19.000 If you think I'm your lifeline, you'll drown.
00:38:26.000 Don't try the guilt, don't try the tears.
00:38:28.000 I'm immune and it leaves me numb.
00:38:32.000 I'm just a jock, so all of you think I'm dumb.
00:38:37.000 Well, I got the numbers to prove I'm the studliest.
00:38:39.000 I don't need anybody to grab a bite, share a drink, start a fight, make me think.
00:38:45.000 Only so many hours in a day.
00:38:50.000 Don't waste mine eating and walking and meeting and talking while watching you wrinkle with age and decay.
00:39:02.000 If you need anybody to groan with you, sigh with you, moan with you, cry with you, don't you think I've got better to do?
00:39:13.000 Take your runny nose and get out!
00:39:15.000 Anyone who's complaining of fights with mom, fights with dad, love with dad, needs to be said, ought to have lips sealed tightly with glue.
00:39:27.000 Don't try the guilt, don't try the tears.
00:39:29.000 I'm immune and it leaves me cold.
00:39:33.000 Come back when you're a hundred and ten years old.
00:39:36.000 You should have time then to figure it out yourself!
00:39:43.000 You know, it's a fun musical, and we've been trying to get it up on some campuses.
00:39:49.000 If there are students who are into musical theater and something you want to do, you should give us an email, and we can send you the score and the whole deal, and we'd be happy to license it to you.
00:39:56.000 But it is fun.
00:39:59.000 That's why when I talk about musical theater, my dad writes musical theater.
00:40:03.000 There's a bunch of clever numbers in it.
00:40:04.000 It's really a fun show.
00:40:06.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.
00:40:08.000 So Hillary Clinton is a pathological liar.
00:40:09.000 So we've got two pathological liars fighting each other.
00:40:12.000 There's a poll out today from Rasmussen shows that Trump is up five on Hillary Clinton, 42 to 37.
00:40:17.000 The reason this poll is not very meaningful is because 42 to 37, add up the numbers, that's only 79% of the American public.
00:40:25.000 So where's the other 21%?
00:40:25.000 Who knows?
00:40:27.000 So the final results will not look like that.
00:40:30.000 There's also a Fox News poll shows Trump up 48-45 on Hillary Clinton.
00:40:34.000 That one also has a problem.
00:40:36.000 It oversamples Republicans by about 5%, but it's a close race.
00:40:39.000 It's a close race.
00:40:40.000 And what the Fox News poll shows is that 57% of Americans think that
00:40:45.000 Hillary Clinton thinks that Donald Trump is untrustworthy.
00:40:48.000 66% think Hillary Clinton is untrustworthy.
00:40:51.000 Nobody trusts any of these people.
00:40:52.000 The reason they don't trust these people is because Hillary is a liar.
00:40:55.000 This is a clip from a 13-minute tape of every lie Hillary Clinton has told in the past few years, and it's pretty astonishing.
00:41:04.000 You were against same-sex marriage.
00:41:05.000 Now you're for it.
00:41:06.000 You defended President Obama's immigration policies.
00:41:09.000 Now you say they're too harsh.
00:41:10.000 You supported his trade deal dozens of times.
00:41:12.000 You even called it the gold standard.
00:41:14.000 Now, suddenly, last week, you're against it.
00:41:16.000 Will you say anything to get elected?
00:41:18.000 Well, actually, I have been very consistent over the course of my entire life.
00:41:22.000 I have always fought for the same values and principles.
00:41:26.000 Do you think New York State should recognize gay marriage?
00:41:29.000 No.
00:41:30.000 No?
00:41:31.000 Okay.
00:41:34.000 I believe that marriage is not just a bond, but a sacred bond between a man and a woman.
00:41:44.000 I have not supported same-sex marriage.
00:41:47.000 I have supported civil partnerships and contractual relationships.
00:41:53.000 I support marriage for lesbian and gay couples.
00:41:56.000 I support it personally and as a matter of policy and law.
00:42:00.000 So you're saying your opinion on gay marriage changed or you changed your mind?
00:42:06.000 I have to say I think you are being very persistent but you are playing with my words and playing with what is such an important issue.
00:42:14.000 I'm just trying to clarify so I can understand.
00:42:16.000 No, I don't think you are trying to clarify.
00:42:18.000 I think you're trying to say that, you know, I used to be opposed and now I'm in favor and I did it for political reasons.
00:42:24.000 And that's just flat wrong.
00:42:25.000 So let me just state what I feel like you are implying and repudiate it.
00:42:30.000 I have a strong record.
00:42:32.000 I have a great commitment to this issue and I am proud of what I've done and the progress I've made.
00:42:37.000 This goes on for 13 minutes.
00:42:39.000 And she is.
00:42:39.000 She's just a terrible, terrible, pathological liar.
00:42:42.000 That's what I hate most about this election, is that everybody is willing to overlook the lies of their own side, so long as it allows them access to power.
00:42:49.000 That's gross to me.
00:42:50.000 Okay, time for some mailbag.
00:42:51.000 So, as always, folks, the new deal is if you subscribe at dailywired.com to the podcast, you get top billing in the mailbag, and you are most likely to be selected for the mailbag.
00:43:01.000 Okay, Christian writes, hello, Mr. Shapiro.
00:43:04.000 I wanted to take some time to send you a thank you for being the voice of reason.
00:43:06.000 Well, thank you.
00:43:07.000 I happen to be a black guy from East St.
00:43:09.000 Louis,
00:43:10.000 And I also happen to be graduating with a degree in mechanical engineering in 24 hours.
00:43:13.000 My question to you is how can we go about changing not just this community, this is the black community, but communities all over the country with self-destructive cultures much like the one in urban low-income black communities?
00:43:24.000 How can we encourage people to want to make a better life for themselves?
00:43:28.000 Okay, so first of all, the fact that you are a Christian, and he is, he talks about his religiosity, is I think important.
00:43:35.000 I think a restoration of religious principles and values in minority communities would be a good first step.
00:43:40.000 I also think that we need to stop pandering to minority communities by pretending that all values are of equal merit.
00:43:46.000 They are not.
00:43:47.000 And I think most people in the minority community actually understand this.
00:43:50.000 I think black people are not stupid, so they should be able to get the fact, and I think they do get the fact, that marriage is better for children than single motherhood.
00:43:58.000 I think they've been bred into a culture that is a welfare culture created by the federal government and reinforced by black leadership that has suggested that this is all just a big invention of the white patriarchy, when in reality there are certain decisions you make in life that are better for you, and certain decisions you make in life that are worse.
00:44:13.000 Now, with all that said, I do think businesses should be going into inner-city communities and trying to recruit people to have jobs outside those communities.
00:44:22.000 I think that educational organizations should be making overtures to minority communities and saying things that are true, trying to hook people up with jobs, trying to give them access to things outside of this very cloistered area where there isn't enough business and there is high unemployment and drug use.
00:44:38.000 These things, I think, would be a better solution than the pretend political correctness
00:44:43.000 Uh, that the- that the left likes to leverage, where they pretend that all the problems in the black community are white people's fault.
00:44:48.000 Okay, Dane writes, DC or Marvel?
00:44:51.000 I know sometimes you talk about comics.
00:44:52.000 I'm a DC Comics person.
00:44:54.000 I want to know if you like DC or Marvel.
00:44:55.000 Who's your favorite superhero and why?
00:44:57.000 Okay, as I've said many times before, I am in fact a DC guy.
00:45:00.000 Uh, I'm not a huge Marvel fan.
00:45:02.000 It's a little bit too light and fluffy for me.
00:45:04.000 Although Marvel, some of their late comics have been pretty good, actually.
00:45:07.000 But as far as who's my favorite superhero, I'm always in a constant battle between Batman and Superman.
00:45:15.000 My heart is with Batman, although I like the original Batman who killed people.
00:45:20.000 I don't like the Batman who's trying to save the Joker all the time, and his mark of morality is saving psychopathic criminals who routinely escape from prison after five minutes inside.
00:45:30.000 That's why I was team Punisher in the Daredevil series.
00:45:32.000 Okay, Vin says, what are the top three worst effects of Hillary winning?
00:45:36.000 Okay, the Supreme Court, obviously, is the worst effect, and that has impact on religious freedom and free speech, and it has impact on the Second Amendment.
00:45:43.000 That would be the worst effect.
00:45:44.000 The second worst effect would be her continuing to cripple the military, which is something, certainly, that she would do.
00:45:49.000 And the third worst effect would be her attempts to raise taxes and destroy the economy, which, again, she would do.
00:45:54.000 Michael says, What are liberal democratic podcasts that I could listen to?
00:45:59.000 I desire to not be polarized and want to hear multiple points of view.
00:46:02.000 Do you know any responsible Democrats who are not flaming bags of dog poop?
00:46:09.000 So, yes, there are responsible Democrats who are not flaming bags of dog poop.
00:46:13.000 The problem is they feel alienated from their party right now.
00:46:15.000 So, Dave Rubin is somebody who used to be a Democrat.
00:46:18.000 He's kind of moving over now.
00:46:20.000 Dave Rubin does a really interesting podcast with a lot of interviews, very thoughtful.
00:46:24.000 I'm trying to think who else on the left is kind of worthwhile listening to.
00:46:27.000 I don't listen to a lot of podcasts, is the truth.
00:46:30.000 Um, because I don't think most of them are very good.
00:46:32.000 But let me get back to you on that one after having done some research.
00:46:35.000 Jacob writes about convention of states.
00:46:37.000 With everything in America going insane, do you believe it is time for a convention of states to try to stop the madness of more and more federal overreach?
00:46:43.000 The answer is yes.
00:46:44.000 A convention of states would be great.
00:46:46.000 All that requires is a certain percentage of the states to call for a convention.
00:46:49.000 You don't need congressional approval.
00:46:51.000 And then, presumably, the amendments that are approved by the convention of states go back to the states for ratification.
00:46:57.000 Jake says, It doesn't change my analysis for a very simple reason.
00:47:00.000 It's easy to say I support generic X. It's very difficult to say I support a particular candidate with a particular name and a particular platform.
00:47:05.000 As I explained earlier this week,
00:47:19.000 It's much more attractive always to say, I support generic Republican over Hillary Clinton, or I support generic Democrat over Donald Trump.
00:47:26.000 Much harder to say, I support Trump over Clinton, or Clinton over Trump.
00:47:30.000 Grace writes, long letter, let's see, let's get to the, here's the meat.
00:47:34.000 I guess I would like you to shed some light on what the Jewish big picture is.
00:47:38.000 For Christians, Christ is coming back and God's kingdom is growing on earth.
00:47:41.000 For Islam,
00:47:42.000 It's taking over and killing everyone who won't convert.
00:47:44.000 That's certainly radical Islam and the practice of Sharia state.
00:47:47.000 For Judaism, it seems quite exclusive.
00:47:49.000 I looked at a few Jewish American synagogues, and they said if you weren't born a Jew, it wasn't the place for you.
00:47:54.000 The Jews are the chosen people of God.
00:47:55.000 I understand the exclusivity.
00:47:56.000 So what is the final picture for your faith?
00:47:58.000 So how does the story end?
00:48:00.000 The story ends with the Messiah coming.
00:48:02.000 The Messiah is not, in fact, a God.
00:48:04.000 He's not immortal.
00:48:05.000 The Messiah is just a guy, and that guy is tasked with certain things, like reestablishing the Davidic dynasty in Israel,
00:48:12.000 And creating a more peaceful world with safety and security.
00:48:16.000 There are some Jews who think, by the way, the Messiah has basically already come and that's what ushered in the creation of the state of Israel.
00:48:22.000 We say a prayer every Sabbath in which we talk about how Israel is the first flowering of our redemption.
00:48:28.000 Meaning it's the beginning of the Messianic Age.
00:48:33.000 It's a pretty common view in the Orthodox Jewish community.
00:48:36.000 As far as people who are not Jewish, right, the idea is, first of all, Judaism is a religion that believes you don't have to be Jewish to go to heaven.
00:48:42.000 You have to fulfill seven basic commandments.
00:48:44.000 And there are things that most people do already, like don't...
00:48:47.000 commit idolatry, no adultery, no eating the flesh of a living animal, establish courts of law, and no kidnapping.
00:48:54.000 Like, they're very basic things.
00:48:56.000 Don't kill anybody, right?
00:48:58.000 These are all basic things.
00:49:00.000 So, in the end, basically everybody leaves the Jews alone and understands that the Jews have something valuable to contribute to the world, and they come back to the Judaic God.
00:49:09.000 Right?
00:49:09.000 So that's why a lot of people think we're kind of nearing that age.
00:49:12.000 Although, there is such a thing that Jews talk about called the Hevlei Mashiach, the birth pangs of the Messiah, and that's when things get really, really dark.
00:49:19.000 And so every time things get dark in Jewish history, people say, okay, this is the birth pangs of the Messiah.
00:49:23.000 A lot of people think that was the Holocaust, and the beginning of the Messianic Age was the creation of the State of Israel arising from that.
00:49:30.000 Andrew writes, sitting the election out.
00:49:32.000 Do you really think it's the best move to sit this one out?
00:49:34.000 I understand Trumpsters will blame NeverTrump for everything, especially if there's a third party candidate.
00:49:38.000 However, if Trump or Hillary get elected, there's no telling what will even be left to save in 2020.
00:49:43.000 I feel you sitting it out is discouraging given the stakes of the election.
00:49:46.000 It seems you want to sit it out so you can't be wrong when Donald or Hillary inevitably fail as president instead of doing anything and everything you can to keep them both out.
00:49:55.000 No, I would love to do everything I can to keep them both out.
00:49:57.000 I just don't know what third-party candidate would actually succeed, because we haven't had one ever before who has.
00:50:02.000 As I've said before, I think a third-party candidacy, given what we know about the evidence, would be very difficult.
00:50:11.000 That said, if somebody runs third party who I like, I will absolutely vote third party for that person.
00:50:16.000 Right now I'm more focused on what we like to call remnant politics, keeping the remnant of conservatism alive in spite of Trump and in spite of Hillary so that we can rebuild and then hopefully in 2020 come back with somebody who's not a narcissistic buffoon totalitarian.
00:50:33.000 Joseph writes, what's your son's name?
00:50:35.000 I follow your podcast.
00:50:36.000 I must have missed it.
00:50:36.000 His name is Gabriel.
00:50:37.000 Thank you for asking.
00:50:39.000 It means God is my strength.
00:50:41.000 We always try to pick names that have a meaning.
00:50:44.000 Joseph writes about Barbara Boxer.
00:50:46.000 I was wondering who you'll be voting for the U.S.
00:50:47.000 Senate seat.
00:50:48.000 Barbara Boxer is vacating.
00:50:49.000 There are so many candidates.
00:50:50.000 The Republican, I think that Tom Del Beccaro is the one who's running for that seat.
00:50:54.000 So Tom Del Beccaro is fine and dandy.
00:50:56.000 Unfortunately, Kamala Harris, or whatever her name is, is probably going to win that Senate seat and then run for president, which is meh.
00:51:04.000 Okay, Scott has a couple of questions really quickly.
00:51:07.000 One, do you believe the hypersexualization of our society was, is, planned by the left to allow the state to mold our children
00:51:14.000 As how to easily control them, do you believe Alinsky socialists are to blame?
00:51:17.000 So I think that there are a lot of people who went along because you say you can put your genitals anywhere without any consequence and most people are cool with that.
00:51:23.000 But I think that the people who designed it, yes, I think the people who designed it felt like the easiest way to tear down the society was to tear down the family and tear down traditional structures.
00:51:32.000 Also, there are a bunch of soft leftists who think it's unfair that there should be social stigma against any type of activity people want to engage in.
00:51:40.000 Not even governmental stigma, social stigma.
00:51:42.000 And therefore, they attempt to alleviate the social stigma by giving government benefits to people for doing promiscuous things.
00:51:50.000 Second, also, has Milo yet apologized for the nasty things he said about the birth of your baby?
00:51:54.000 No.
00:51:56.000 You're a silly person.
00:51:57.000 Okay, Cassidy.
00:51:58.000 Actually, let's do... Let's see.
00:52:02.000 Cassidy, this is a quick one.
00:52:03.000 So could you recommend any books that shed light on why Europe is failing?
00:52:06.000 Mark Stein has a really good book called America Alone.
00:52:08.000 You can check that out.
00:52:09.000 Robbie writes, heaven and hell.
00:52:10.000 What is your view on heaven and hell?
00:52:12.000 I've looked up Orthodox beliefs.
00:52:13.000 I can't seem to find a clear answer on what Jews believe regard to life after death.
00:52:17.000 So the quick answer is Jews don't believe in everlasting hell.
00:52:20.000 What we believe is basically that God gave you a soul.
00:52:23.000 He gave Hitler a soul.
00:52:24.000 Everybody got a soul when the souls were handed out.
00:52:26.000 And then you spend your life making decisions that dirty the soul and sin against the soul.
00:52:32.000 And sin against God, and what hell basically is, is almost like Christian purgatory.
00:52:36.000 It's you being purged of your sins in front of God.
00:52:39.000 So, you're basically sat down and shown a movie of all the bad things that you did, and now you know an ultimate truth because you've been reunited with God, and you realize, oh, that was unbelievably stupid and terrible.
00:52:49.000 I can't believe I did that.
00:52:51.000 And that's the cleansing process, and then your soul is reunited with God.
00:52:54.000 That's sort of the very short answer.
00:52:56.000 There are a bunch of different views about this kabbalistically.
00:52:58.000 There's a lot of debate about it.
00:53:01.000 Yeah, that's the one that I tend to think makes most sense, just on a practical level.
00:53:05.000 But again, one of the problems with discussions about Heaven and Hell is not a lot of people have been there and back, so it's really difficult to say.
00:53:11.000 The evidence shows X. So that's the story.
00:53:15.000 Okay, final note.
00:53:16.000 Somebody just wrote me that when I talked about the Thug Life Ben Shapiro videos, that I didn't put a blunt in my mouth.
00:53:22.000 It's a joint.
00:53:23.000 He says, we can tell you don't smoke weed.
00:53:25.000 Okay, thank you.
00:53:27.000 Thank you for the correction.
00:53:28.000 Indeed, I do not smoke weed.
00:53:31.000 And I appreciate the referendum.
00:53:35.000 Well, that's the end of the week.
00:53:36.000 We finally reached it.
00:53:37.000 As always, at the end of these weeks, I used to say, don't ruin things while I'm away, but it's too late.
00:53:41.000 You ruined it.
00:53:41.000 So, we'll be back on Monday for more bread and circuses as the Republic crumbles.
00:53:45.000 And if that's not depressing enough for you, well, show up on Monday, gang.
00:53:48.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:53:49.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.