The Ben Shapiro Show - December 17, 2015


Ep. 43 - Michael Moore Says We're All Muslims. ISIS Agrees.


Episode Stats

Length

38 minutes

Words per Minute

208.37413

Word Count

7,946

Sentence Count

546

Misogynist Sentences

15

Hate Speech Sentences

34


Summary

On this episode of The Ben Shapiro Show, Ben talks about Michael Moore's new documentary, "We Are All Muslims," and the time he almost got into a fight with Donald Trump on the set of his show "Saturday Night Live" in the late '90s and early '00s. Plus, a story about how a producer was worried that Ben Shapiro might be a "bogeyman" on set, and how he almost had a run-in with one of the most powerful men in the world. Also, a new segment where Michael Moore makes a gigantic ass of himself, which is the only thing more surprising than the fact that he looks like a 75-year-old grandmother or a guy who looks like Tootles from Hook or a 75 year old grandmother, and he's beginning to look more like this as time goes on. And, of course, there's a segment where he writes an open letter to Donald Trump, and the rest is downhill from there... Ben Shapiro is a writer, comedian, podcaster, and podcaster. He's been around a long time and has a lot of experience in the entertainment business, but that doesn't make him any less of a bogeyman, right? He's a troll, but he's not a bad one, and that's what makes him a troll. And he's good at trolling, and we'll get to that in a second segment where we talk about it. . . . and then we'll talk about how to make a good argument for why Donald Trump is actually a good guy, not just a bad guy, and not just another bad guy and why he's better than Jeb Bush . Thanks to Ben Shapiro for joining the Ben Shapirocast Thank you Ben Shapiro for coming on the show, Ben Shapiro Podcast thanks Ben Shapiro, for being a good friend of mine, and for letting me know that you're a good dude, and I appreciate you're listening to my thoughts on Michael Moore, too! I really appreciate it, Ben. I really, I really really do. - Thank you for listening, Ben - Your support is so much Ben Shapiro: Thank you, I love you, much appreciate you, thank you, bye, bye! - Teddy, Big Ben, Bye, bye - Love ya, bye. - Teddy - Cheers, Cheers - Jon & Jerry -


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Howdy howdy, we are here on a Thursday, two days after the Republican debate.
00:00:04.000 Controversy continues to brew around who exactly will take the nomination.
00:00:08.000 Will it be Donald Trump?
00:00:09.000 Will it be Jeb Bush?
00:00:12.000 Also, we will be talking a little bit about things I hate later in the segment, of course, and Michael Moore makes a gigantic ass of himself, which is the only... there's nothing surprising in any part of that sentence.
00:00:24.000 In fact, Michael Moore gigantic an ass is triple redundancy, so...
00:00:28.000 We'll get to all of that.
00:00:29.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:00:30.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:31.000 Alright, so let's jump right in with Michael Moore.
00:00:42.000 Michael Moore is a troll.
00:00:44.000 He's been a professional troll for a very long time.
00:00:47.000 If you remember Michael Moore, the fat guy who does bad documentaries going all the way back to Roger and me, he's not untalented is the truth.
00:00:53.000 If you watch his documentaries,
00:00:55.000 He knows how to put together a film.
00:00:56.000 He knows how to put together a documentary.
00:00:58.000 He spent a lot of time very early in his career suggesting socialism was the best.
00:01:03.000 Now he's moved on to full-blown communism.
00:01:05.000 But his new movie is all about how America keeps invading all these places in the world, and it's so terrible.
00:01:10.000 American invasion creates just all this blowback.
00:01:13.000 Well, Michael Moore isn't getting very much attention for his new documentary.
00:01:17.000 And so the way he's decided to fight that is by going after Donald Trump.
00:01:21.000 Because Trump is the is the owner and occupier of all mainstream media.
00:01:25.000 So today, Michael Moore, who is he's beginning to he looks either like I mean, there's no way to do a Michael Moore story without making fun of his looks.
00:01:35.000 There's just no way to do it.
00:01:35.000 So we're just going to do it.
00:01:37.000 He either looks like Tootles from Hook.
00:01:39.000 Or, for those who've seen that film, or he looks like a 75-year-old grandmother, right?
00:01:47.000 I mean, those are the two things.
00:01:48.000 And he's beginning to look more like this as time goes on.
00:01:50.000 He looks like a homeless grandmother on the street.
00:01:52.000 So there he is outside of Trump Tower holding a sign that says, we are all Muslim, right?
00:01:56.000 Because he's demonstrating to the world that he stands with Muslims and not with Donald Trump.
00:02:00.000 And he wrote an open letter to Donald Trump that reads as follows, quote, dear Donald Trump,
00:02:06.000 You may remember, you do after all have a perfect memory, that we met back in November of 1998 in the Green Room of Talk Show, where we were both scheduled to appear one afternoon.
00:02:15.000 But just before going on, I was pulled aside by a producer from the show who said that you were nervous about being on the set with me.
00:02:21.000 She said you didn't want to be ripped apart and you wanted to be reassured I wouldn't go after you.
00:02:26.000 Does he think I'm gonna tackle him and put him in a chokehold, I asked bewildered?
00:02:29.000 No, the producer replied.
00:02:31.000 He just seems all jittery about you.
00:02:32.000 Huh.
00:02:33.000 I've never met the guy.
00:02:34.000 There's no reason for him to be scared, I said.
00:02:36.000 I really don't know much about him other than he seems to like his name on stuff.
00:02:40.000 I'll talk to him if you want me to.
00:02:42.000 And so, as you may remember, I did.
00:02:43.000 This is all Michael Moore's letter to Donald Trump.
00:02:46.000 I went up and introduced myself to you.
00:02:48.000 Quote.
00:02:48.000 The producer says you're worried I might say and do something to you during the show.
00:02:52.000 Hey, no offense, but I barely know who you are.
00:02:54.000 I'm from Michigan.
00:02:55.000 Please don't worry.
00:02:55.000 We're gonna get along just fine.
00:02:57.000 You seemed relieved, then leaned in and said to me, I just didn't want any trouble out there, and I just wanted to make sure that you know you and I got along, that you weren't gonna pick on me for something ridiculous.
00:03:13.000 First of all, I don't believe Michael Moore's photographic memory for conversations that happened 17 years ago, because I don't think anybody has that sort of photographic memory, but we'll take it for what it's worth.
00:03:25.000 He says,
00:03:27.000 Nothing untoward happened between us.
00:03:29.000 I didn't pull on your hair, didn't put gum on your seat.
00:03:31.000 What a wuss, was all I remember thinking as I left the set.
00:03:33.000 And now, here we are in 2015, and, like many other angry white guys, you are frightened by a bogeyman who is out to get you.
00:03:40.000 That bogeyman, in your mind, are all Muslims.
00:03:43.000 That bogeyman are all Muslims.
00:03:46.000 Not just the ones who have killed, but all Muslims.
00:03:48.000 Fortunately, Donald, you and your supporters no longer look like what America actually is today.
00:03:53.000 And this is the leftist triumphalism.
00:03:55.000 We are not a country of angry white guys.
00:03:57.000 Here is a statistic that is going to make your hair spin.
00:04:00.000 81% of the electorate who will pick the president next year are either female, people of color, or young people between the ages of 18 and 35.
00:04:07.000 In other words, not you.
00:04:08.000 And not the people who want you leading their country.
00:04:10.000 Now I'll take a pause for just one second.
00:04:13.000 81% of the electorate are female, people of color, or young people.
00:04:16.000 Okay, first of all, females already are 55% of the electorate.
00:04:20.000 Okay, so I'm not sure that this is coming as a shock to anyone.
00:04:23.000 It turns out there are just as many women as men in the population, and women vote at a higher rate than men do.
00:04:27.000 And as far as young people being a percentage of the population, this has also been historically true, so...
00:04:32.000 Yeah, this idea that Trump doesn't know this is, of course, silly.
00:04:35.000 But, Michael Moore continues,
00:04:54.000 And he continues, just as we are all Mexican, we are all Catholic and Jewish and white and black and every shade in between.
00:05:00.000 We are all children of God or nature or whatever you believe in, part of the human family, and nothing you say or do can change that fact to an iota.
00:05:06.000 If you don't like living by these American rules, you need to go to the timeout room in one of your towers and sit there and think about what you've done.
00:05:14.000 And then he asks everybody to take pictures like this one.
00:05:17.000 Presumably all of them are more photogenic than Michael Moore.
00:05:19.000 I want to focus in, for just a second, on these couple of paragraphs, because this really is leftism in a nutshell, and it is so ignorant, and it is so stupid.
00:05:30.000 I mean, just truly stupid.
00:05:31.000 Truly idiotic.
00:05:33.000 Like, you have to have a low IQ to believe these things.
00:05:35.000 Or you have to have been inculcated in a school of thought that suggests that values are of no consequence whatsoever.
00:05:42.000 He says, this part, and it's just really amazing, he says, I was raised to believe we are all each other's brother and sister regardless of race, creed, or color.
00:05:50.000 Okay.
00:05:51.000 Race and color, I agree.
00:05:54.000 Creed,
00:05:56.000 It sort of depends on what you think, right?
00:05:59.000 Are you really brothers with the neo-Nazi next door, Michael Moore?
00:06:02.000 Are you really brothers with the... I mean, he probably is brothers with the communists, but are you really brothers with Stalin?
00:06:07.000 Are you brothers with the world's worst human beings?
00:06:09.000 Are you brothers with the ISIS murderers who are raping and looting people?
00:06:13.000 Are these the people who are your brothers and sisters?
00:06:16.000 Because this is what the left believes.
00:06:17.000 They believe in this Brotherhood of Man.
00:06:18.000 This is back to John Lennon's Imagine.
00:06:21.000 The Brotherhood of Man.
00:06:22.000 Where religion makes no difference, and ideology makes no difference, and philosophy makes no difference.
00:06:26.000 It's an amazing statement.
00:06:28.000 He says, if you want to ban Muslims, you're first going to have to ban me and everyone else.
00:06:31.000 First of all, Trump hasn't talked about banning Muslims.
00:06:34.000 He's not deporting Muslims who are in the United States.
00:06:36.000 He's talked about a temporary ban on Muslim immigration to the United States until we can get better background checks.
00:06:42.000 Now, I disagree with the policy, as I've said.
00:06:44.000 But to suggest that this is, first of all, it's not racism, certainly, because Islam isn't a race.
00:06:49.000 It's not colorism, because Islam isn't a color.
00:06:52.000 It's creedism.
00:06:53.000 And turns out that America always has had certain philosophical leanings, just like any country has philosophical leanings.
00:06:59.000 In fact, America's unique in the respect that it was founded on a basic philosophy.
00:07:03.000 It was founded on a basic ideology, embodied in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.
00:07:09.000 And as soon as you say that a country is founded on a philosophy, it means it wasn't founded on other philosophies.
00:07:14.000 You can't be both A and B. You're either A or you're B.
00:07:18.000 But for Michael Moore, we're all supposed to pretend that everybody is both A and B. When he says, we are all Mexican, we are all Catholic and Jewish, we're not.
00:07:27.000 I'm not Catholic.
00:07:28.000 I'm not Muslim.
00:07:29.000 Catholics aren't Jewish.
00:07:30.000 Muslims aren't Jewish.
00:07:32.000 Many Muslims are trying to kill Jews.
00:07:34.000 Like this weird idea that we're all the same.
00:07:37.000 Maybe we're all the same in terms of we're human beings, but that doesn't mean we're all the same in terms of how we act as human beings or what we choose to believe as human beings.
00:07:44.000 Here's the irony of all this.
00:07:46.000 You've got this picture of Michael Moore standing outside Trump Tower with a sign that says, we are all Muslim.
00:07:51.000 ISIS agrees.
00:07:53.000 ISIS fully agrees.
00:07:54.000 We are all Muslim.
00:07:55.000 You and I. Me speaking, you watching.
00:07:58.000 We are all Muslims.
00:07:59.000 We just haven't realized it yet.
00:08:01.000 And the only way for us to realize it is for a gun to be put to our head and the trigger to be pulled if we disagree.
00:08:06.000 Or a knife to be put to our throat and it pulled across our windpipe if we disagree.
00:08:10.000 Because they agree with Michael Moore.
00:08:12.000 We are all Muslim.
00:08:13.000 The entire world is Muslim.
00:08:15.000 Let me tell you something.
00:08:16.000 I am not Muslim.
00:08:18.000 I'm not Muslim because I don't believe in Islam.
00:08:21.000 End of story.
00:08:22.000 Doesn't mean that everything Islam believes is bad.
00:08:24.000 It doesn't mean that the Quran is inherently terrible.
00:08:26.000 It doesn't mean any of those things, but it does mean I am not a Muslim and that there are distinctions between my philosophy and that philosophy.
00:08:34.000 I know that we've gone to this place where everybody wants to paraphrase JFK now during the Cold War and the occupation of Berlin by the Soviets.
00:08:44.000 The East Germans and the Soviets took over East Berlin and Berlin was blockaded.
00:08:51.000 And JFK famously went to Berlin, he said that he was a Berliner.
00:08:54.000 Which is also kind of sausage, as I've mentioned before.
00:08:57.000 But he said he was a Berliner, and now we do this routine.
00:08:59.000 Every time there's a shooting in France, we are all French.
00:09:01.000 It's funny, the one I never see is, we are all Jews.
00:09:04.000 Right, that one I never see.
00:09:05.000 I see, we are all Muslims, after Muslims kill a bunch of people.
00:09:08.000 Right, that I see from the left.
00:09:10.000 After Muslims shoot 14 people in San Bernardino, and by the way, those Muslim terrorists, they were buried today, full Islamic ceremony in an Islamic cemetery.
00:09:18.000 So, so much for the idea that they're not Islamic.
00:09:22.000 I can tell you this, if a Jew were to commit the sort of heinous act that were committed here, no rabbi would probably let them be buried in Jewish burial ground.
00:09:31.000 Like, that's an actual issue in Jewish law.
00:09:34.000 I know it is for Christians, too.
00:09:35.000 I mean, this has been a longtime thing.
00:09:37.000 In Christianity, that if you commit suicide, for example, can you be buried in a Christian cemetery?
00:09:42.000 Can you be buried in consecrated ground?
00:09:45.000 But in any case, this idea, we are all Muslim, no, we aren't, and the only people who think we are are leftists who are fully insane, or who are fully indoctrinated in stupidity, or Muslims who believe that we all should be Muslims and that they get to kill us if we disagree.
00:10:00.000 So, it's this sort of leftism that leads to the rise of Donald Trump, because there are so many people who look at this and they go, no, we're not.
00:10:05.000 No, we're not.
00:10:06.000 And to prove that we're not, we'll just ban all the people who say they're Muslims from coming in the country.
00:10:10.000 There's a reactionary streak to Trump's support base that you can't say too much about, because it really does exist, but this is reactionary leftism, and reactionary leftism is much more dangerous than the reactionary silliness of Donald Trump.
00:10:25.000 I mean, this reactionary leftism of the left, which is Muslims go and kill people, therefore we're all Muslim,
00:10:30.000 And we've seen this over and over.
00:10:31.000 I mean, you want the ironic story of the day?
00:10:33.000 So remember a few weeks ago, we talked about this story from Great Britain.
00:10:36.000 This story from Great Britain was kind of amazing, where there was a Muslim guy, presumably, who tried to stab a bunch of people in the subway.
00:10:42.000 We talked about this last week, right?
00:10:44.000 It was after San Bernardino.
00:10:46.000 And there was a guy who was walking by and he was shouting, you ain't no Muslim, bruv!
00:10:50.000 Right?
00:10:51.000 With the British accent.
00:10:51.000 And this went viral and it was a hashtag and all this.
00:10:54.000 Turns out the guy had to go into hiding because he was being threatened by, wait for it,
00:10:58.000 The Buddhist.
00:10:59.000 No, he was being threatened by the Muslims.
00:11:01.000 So the guy who says, you ain't no Muslim, but there are a bunch of Muslims.
00:11:04.000 Wait a second.
00:11:05.000 Yeah, we are.
00:11:06.000 And we will kill you for saying that.
00:11:09.000 So all of this politically correct nonsense, the kind of stuff that Michael Moore is pushing, it's going to get a lot of people killed.
00:11:16.000 A lot more people will die because there are people who believe we are all Muslims.
00:11:19.000 These are the sort of people who, when a mass shooter steps into a building with a gun, think that they can have a conversation.
00:11:26.000 If we just have a conversation about Islam versus the West, then maybe all of this will stop.
00:11:30.000 It's just the height of foolishness.
00:11:32.000 Now, I do want to get to sort of the fallout from the debate that happened a couple of days ago.
00:11:37.000 It seems that the polls are showing a lot of people thought, like I thought, that Trump won the debate.
00:11:42.000 A lot of people thought that Ted Cruz won the debate.
00:11:44.000 The latest tracking poll shows Trump holding steady, as I predicted, and Cruz rising a little bit, as I predicted, and Rubio basically being where Rubio is, which I also predicted.
00:11:51.000 So, not that I'm always right, but basically I'm always right.
00:11:54.000 But the reason that the debate will have some fallout is because of the debate between Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.
00:12:00.000 So, if you remember, back during the debate, there was a pretty lengthy exchange between Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz on immigration, and here's what it sounded like.
00:12:09.000 In 2013, we had never faced a crisis like the Syrian refugee crisis now.
00:12:13.000 Up until that point, a refugee made someone fleeing oppression, fleeing communism, like it is in my community.
00:12:18.000 As far as Ted's record, I'm always puzzled by his attack on this issue.
00:12:22.000 Ted, you support legalizing people who are in this country illegally.
00:12:25.000 Ted Cruz supported a 500% increase in the number of H-1B visas, the guest workers that are allowed into this country.
00:12:32.000 And Ted supports doubling the number of green cards.
00:12:34.000 So I think what's important for us to understand is there is a way forward on this issue that we can bring our country together on.
00:12:40.000 And when I'm president, I will do it.
00:12:42.000 And it will begin by bringing illegal immigration under control and proving it to the American people.
00:12:48.000 So here's the thing, what Rubio is saying here, so Cruz says this isn't true, I've never been in favor of legalization.
00:12:55.000 Well, it's kind of awkward, because if you go back to 2013, here's what Ted Cruz was saying about legalization back in 2013, right?
00:13:02.000 And in 2013, Ted Cruz, it's actually clip 3, if you go back to 2013, Ted Cruz was talking about legalization
00:13:10.000 And he said, at the time, that he was in favor of legalization but not citizenship.
00:13:14.000 There is a difference, right?
00:13:15.000 You can have a green card but not vote.
00:13:16.000 He said he was in favor of legalization but not green card status.
00:13:19.000 His defense now is that he wasn't even in favor of legalization, he was just saying that to try and kill the full amnesty bill.
00:13:26.000 It's not super credible and Bret Baier questioned him on it last night and here is Bret Baier going after Ted Cruz on this.
00:13:32.000 I don't want immigration reform to fail.
00:13:36.000 I want immigration reform to pass.
00:13:39.000 And so I would urge people of good faith on both sides of the aisle, if the objective is to pass common sense immigration reform that secures the borders, that improves legal immigration, and that allows those who are here illegally to come in out of the shadows, then we should look for areas of bipartisan agreement and compromise to come together.
00:14:02.000 Okay, so there he is saying exactly what, you know, he said he didn't say in the debate.
00:14:07.000 He said, I have never backed legalization.
00:14:09.000 No, he did.
00:14:10.000 And I want to point something out.
00:14:12.000 Donald Trump has taken the hardest line position on immigration.
00:14:14.000 He said we're deporting all 11 million people.
00:14:17.000 I don't think Donald Trump would actually deport all 11 million people because I don't think any of these people would actually deport all 11 million people.
00:14:24.000 In fact, I'm not sure why you would want to do that, considering that Trump says specifically he will then bring half of them back.
00:14:29.000 So, we could save ourselves a plane ticket just by actually screening the people who are going to deport.
00:14:34.000 And when I say screening them, I'm not talking about just criminal screening.
00:14:37.000 I'm talking about, have you taken any welfare benefit at all over the time that you've been here?
00:14:41.000 If the answer is yes, you're out.
00:14:42.000 If you're somebody who is not paying taxes and you're taking more out of the system than you are capable of providing to the system, you're gone.
00:14:49.000 I've always thought that this whole idea that we treat all 11 million people exactly the same is silly.
00:14:54.000 I'm not gonna- we don't treat- why would we treat the person who is a low-income person who's on welfare the same as the person who came here illegally and now has made their way through university?
00:15:04.000 Like, why would you treat those two the same?
00:15:05.000 We should be able to sort of pick and choose who we want.
00:15:08.000 After all, that's what we do when people come in legally.
00:15:10.000 Why shouldn't we be able to do the same when people come illegally?
00:15:12.000 That's been my own position on immigration for a very long time, but Cruz is afraid of being outflanked by Trump.
00:15:18.000 And so he's kind of boxed himself into a corner by saying that he was always anti-legalization and he is super conservative and super consistent.
00:15:24.000 He's put himself in a box that he can't quite escape.
00:15:28.000 Now the problem is that Rubio and Cruz are really doing damage to each other here.
00:15:31.000 And the person who continues to just sail along happy as a clam is Donald Trump.
00:15:36.000 And I said, this is what was happening during the debate.
00:15:38.000 If you watched the debate, that's what it was.
00:15:39.000 It was Rubio and Cruz going after each other, and Rand Paul and Rubio going after each other, and Trump a little bit going after Rubio, and it was basically Rubio and Cruz battling it out most of the night, and I've looked at what they had to say, and both of them at times told fibs, and both of them at times were saying things that were true, but it doesn't matter, because the overall impression you get is that these two are battling with each other, and here's Trump over in the corner just doing what Trump does,
00:16:03.000 Being funny and charming and smacking out at Jeb Bush.
00:16:07.000 And I want to talk briefly about the charm of Donald Trump.
00:16:10.000 I was listening to Clavin's show the other day, and Clavin was comparing Trump to the Sopranos, and I think that that's exactly right.
00:16:17.000 I think that the appeal of Donald Trump is the toxic masculinity of Donald Trump, as Jeremy Boring, our managing editor, likes to put it.
00:16:24.000 They're sort of the fat lion of him, right?
00:16:27.000 The fact is that people are drawn to masculinity.
00:16:30.000 They are drawn to the kind of brutish alpha of Trump.
00:16:35.000 And when you look at Marco Rubio, this is actually a problem for Rubio, when you look at Rubio,
00:16:39.000 Everybody gets a sense of a person just by looking at them.
00:16:41.000 And this is true for everybody.
00:16:44.000 Everybody assesses everybody else based on a split-second calculation.
00:16:47.000 When you look at Marco Rubio, there is an unsureness to him that is a little bit unsettling.
00:16:52.000 Not because I don't think he knows what he's talking about.
00:16:54.000 I do.
00:16:55.000 I think Rubio's a very smart guy.
00:16:56.000 But he, like Mitt Romney, you look at them and there's a little bit of fear behind the eyes.
00:17:01.000 With Trump, there's no fear behind the eyes.
00:17:02.000 I'm not sure there's anything behind the eyes with Trump.
00:17:04.000 I mean, he's like a shark.
00:17:05.000 It's lifeless eyes.
00:17:06.000 You know, it's like a doll's eyes.
00:17:09.000 But because of that, Trump has an appeal to him, and you can see it in his interviews with people on the other side.
00:17:17.000 So Trump was with Chris Matthews right after the debate, and here is Trump basically just brushing off Chris Matthews as Chris Matthews goes after him.
00:17:25.000 I don't answer because you know what?
00:17:26.000 If I do answer it, that's all people want to talk about.
00:17:28.000 You're going to have to answer it in a general election.
00:17:29.000 You're going to have to answer it in a general election.
00:17:31.000 You're going to take the Oval Office?
00:17:33.000 The President leaving the office is illegitimate?
00:17:36.000 But I don't answer that question because once I answer the question, they don't want to talk about the economy.
00:17:40.000 No, it's over.
00:17:42.000 We Catholics believe in confession.
00:17:44.000 You say you were wrong and you move on.
00:17:46.000 You really believe this guy's an illegitimate President?
00:17:47.000 I don't want to answer the question.
00:17:48.000 I don't want to answer the question.
00:17:51.000 See, look at the good humor if I don't want to answer the question.
00:17:53.000 Did you have a good time?
00:17:55.000 Was it a good interview?
00:17:56.000 What, this?
00:17:57.000 Well, I want you for a longer time, but thank you, Mr. Trump.
00:18:00.000 We'll do it again.
00:18:00.000 I would love to.
00:18:01.000 Mr. Trump, I do think that's a blemish.
00:18:02.000 I think it's your original sin.
00:18:04.000 No, I know how you feel.
00:18:05.000 Because I'm an American, I think our president should be respected.
00:18:08.000 I understand.
00:18:08.000 And I think there's a little ethnic aspect to it.
00:18:10.000 I don't like it.
00:18:11.000 He's African-American and we're saying he's not a real president.
00:18:13.000 I don't like that.
00:18:14.000 It's not a good thing about you.
00:18:16.000 All right.
00:18:16.000 But you're a mixed bag.
00:18:18.000 I am allowed to say you're a mixed bag.
00:18:19.000 I understand.
00:18:20.000 Thank you.
00:18:21.000 Thank you for coming over here.
00:18:23.000 Thank you.
00:18:23.000 We'll have you for now.
00:18:38.000 It's Matthew saying stuff and Trump just smiling away right through it and patting Matthews on the hand and Matthews actually looking kind of solicitous and Trump just brushing him off.
00:18:47.000 It's that that draws people to Trump.
00:18:49.000 The same thing happened with Jimmy Kimmel.
00:18:50.000 Jimmy Kimmel tried to come at Trump also.
00:18:52.000 This happened last night on one of the late shows and here is Kimmel.
00:18:56.000 Was Kimmel on ABC?
00:18:57.000 I think Kimmel's on ABC.
00:18:58.000 So Kimmel's on ABC and Kimmel is going after Trump on his Muslim immigration ban and here's how that exchange goes.
00:19:07.000 Did anyone try to talk you out of saying we should temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States?
00:19:13.000 Well, the word is temporarily, and I have many, many friends who are Muslim, and they're great people, and they actually, some of them, not all of them, I will tell you, some of them aren't so thrilled with what I said, but many of them called me and they said, you know, Donald, you're right, we have a problem.
00:19:27.000 I mean, look, there is a problem.
00:19:29.000 But isn't it un-American and wrong to discriminate against people based on their religion?
00:19:33.000 But Jimmy, the problem...
00:19:35.000 I mean, look, I'm for it.
00:19:37.000 But, look, we have people coming into our country that are looking to do tremendous harm.
00:19:44.000 You look at the two... Look at Paris.
00:19:45.000 Look at what happened in Paris.
00:19:47.000 I mean, these people, they did not come from Sweden, okay?
00:19:50.000 Look at what happened in Paris.
00:19:52.000 Look at what happened last week in California with, you know, 14 people dead, other people going to die.
00:19:58.000 They're so badly injured.
00:19:59.000 I mean, we have a real problem.
00:20:02.000 And again, Trump is unapologetic here, and you see Kimmel try to go after him, and Trump just blows right through it.
00:20:08.000 He doesn't bother trying to defend himself, he just goes right through it.
00:20:11.000 He says, look, we have danger, and I'm gonna handle the danger.
00:20:14.000 You can disagree with him.
00:20:15.000 Again, I disagree with him.
00:20:17.000 But this is actually, he's great on TV.
00:20:19.000 He's great on TV.
00:20:20.000 He's a professional TV guy.
00:20:22.000 And what's amazing is that he's being able to use that.
00:20:24.000 And again, this is not an endorsement of Trump as a candidate.
00:20:26.000 I'm not voting for him in a primary.
00:20:28.000 But you have to recognize the qualities that make him popular so that you can imitate them or so that you can fight them, depending on what your perspective is.
00:20:35.000 And speaking of fighting them, it's coming to the point where we could get a breakdown in the Republican Party any way this goes.
00:20:42.000 It really is coming to that.
00:20:43.000 So, for example, Glenn Beck, who I really like, he was on Megyn Kelly's show, and Glenn was asked about Hillary or Trump, and here's what Glenn Beck had to say.
00:20:56.000 I know that I won't go to the polls.
00:20:58.000 I won't vote for Hillary Clinton and I won't vote for Donald Trump.
00:21:01.000 I just won't.
00:21:02.000 And I know a lot of people that feel that way.
00:21:03.000 I know there's a lot of people in the GOP who are like, look, he's better than Hillary Clinton.
00:21:09.000 Maybe.
00:21:10.000 I don't know.
00:21:10.000 I mean, the guy last night, he didn't even know what are, you know, the missile silos and the strategic air command with the missiles on the planes and our nuclear submarines.
00:21:24.000 He didn't even know what that meant.
00:21:26.000 He couldn't even answer that question.
00:21:27.000 It was bizarre.
00:21:29.000 He's also a giant progressive.
00:21:32.000 So, I can't vote for a progressive.
00:21:34.000 I can't vote for Hillary and I can't vote for him.
00:21:36.000 I said,
00:21:39.000 Probably a year and a half ago that I thought we were entering the times of the Whig Party.
00:21:44.000 That the Republicans were going to go to the way of the Whigs, who they demolished back in Abraham Lincoln's time.
00:21:51.000 And I think that's happening.
00:21:53.000 They have not...
00:21:56.000 They said, we just have to have the House and the Senate.
00:21:58.000 We got it.
00:21:59.000 Now they're saying, well, we have to have the House and the Senate and the White House.
00:22:01.000 Well, wait a minute.
00:22:02.000 We heard that before with George W. Bush.
00:22:04.000 They're not listening.
00:22:05.000 They're not doing what the people have hired them to do.
00:22:08.000 If they put Donald Trump in, try to put him in office, if that's what the people want, you're going to see an end to the Republican Party.
00:22:17.000 It will just be over.
00:22:18.000 So what's interesting is that you're actually hearing Beck argue both sides here.
00:22:22.000 So I agree with him.
00:22:23.000 We are at the end of the Republican Party.
00:22:25.000 It's either going to happen now or it's going to happen in four years or eight years because there is no great unifying factor anymore.
00:22:30.000 You hear Beck saying, I'm going to stay home if Trump is the nominee.
00:22:33.000 There are a lot of people who are going to stay home if Trump isn't the nominee.
00:22:35.000 There are a lot of people who are going to say, if this is somebody like Marco Rubio, who's endorsed by the establishment, no way I go to the polls.
00:22:41.000 And one of the reasons they're going to say that is because as the debate was happening, while it was happening,
00:22:47.000 In real time, Paul Ryan announced in the middle of the debate that he was pushing forward a $1.1 trillion package.
00:22:57.000 Appropriations Bill.
00:22:59.000 And this Appropriations Bill fully funds President Obama's executive amnesty.
00:23:02.000 It fully funds Obamacare.
00:23:03.000 It fully funds Planned Parenthood.
00:23:05.000 It doesn't fund the building of a border security wall.
00:23:07.000 It doesn't change any, any of the laws with regard to how we screen Syrian or Iraqi refugees.
00:23:13.000 It gives President Obama everything he wants.
00:23:15.000 And it was announced in the middle of the Republican debate by the Republican Speaker of the House.
00:23:19.000 And the Republican Speaker of the House then announced that he would push through the bill with majority Democrat support.
00:23:25.000 Meaning that he's proposing a bill a majority of Republicans won't even vote for, but Democrats will.
00:23:31.000 Remember, Paul Ryan was the VP pick four years ago.
00:23:34.000 Remember, Paul Ryan is an establishment favorite.
00:23:38.000 And remember, those same people who love Paul Ryan love Marco Rubio.
00:23:40.000 So what you've got on the one hand now, this is why I think that the only way to save the party right now is for the establishment to get behind Cruz.
00:23:46.000 On the one hand, you've got the people in the establishment who are saying, we won't show up if Donald Trump is the nominee.
00:23:52.000 Jeb Bush said he may not back Donald Trump if Donald Trump is the nominee, which is amazing because as you recall, there was a huge deal made.
00:23:58.000 Would Trump endorse whoever the Republican nominee was if it wasn't him?
00:24:02.000 And he said yes.
00:24:03.000 And so now for some reason, it's okay for Jeb to say no.
00:24:06.000 And it's okay for various other candidates.
00:24:08.000 John Kasich has said this too.
00:24:09.000 It's okay for him to say no.
00:24:10.000 But if Trump had said no, it would have been the end of the world.
00:24:12.000 So here's the deal.
00:24:14.000 The establishment says they won't show up for Trump.
00:24:16.000 The Trump people say they won't show up for the establishment.
00:24:18.000 The only person who can bridge the gap, maybe, is Ted Cruz.
00:24:22.000 And Ted Cruz is hated so much by the establishment that they're attempting to undermine him with Rubio.
00:24:27.000 So this all looks very bad.
00:24:29.000 It's all going the wrong direction in terms of the chaos inside the Republican Party.
00:24:32.000 And meanwhile, there's Hillary Clinton just over there running her race.
00:24:36.000 And by the way, she's not popular.
00:24:38.000 Nobody likes Hillary Clinton.
00:24:39.000 Hillary Clinton's a disaster area to watch.
00:24:41.000 She's bad on TV.
00:24:42.000 She's corrupt as all hell.
00:24:43.000 She's not entertaining.
00:24:44.000 She's boring.
00:24:45.000 She's annoying.
00:24:46.000 There's so many bad things about Hillary Clinton that the Republicans can't get their act together because they don't know what they believe and how they want to fight.
00:24:53.000 They don't.
00:24:54.000 Republicans just think, okay, if we put Rubio in there, the establishment, if we get Rubio in there, and he wins, then we'll be fine.
00:25:00.000 And people on the other side, they say, well, yeah, but Rubio's the guy who proposed amnesty.
00:25:06.000 I mean, it truly is amazing.
00:25:07.000 You have to understand this about the resistance to the establishment in the Republican Party.
00:25:10.000 And let me define establishment for a moment.
00:25:12.000 Establishment are the people on the coast with the money.
00:25:15.000 Hey, that's who the establishment is.
00:25:16.000 The establishment are professional politicians who are running the RNC right now, but mostly, when people say establishment, they mean the people on the coasts with the money.
00:25:24.000 That's who we're talking about.
00:25:25.000 We're talking about the Koch brothers, who are establishment guys, they're libertarian, and they're soft on social policy.
00:25:30.000 And again, establishment is not a slur.
00:25:32.000 It's just a description of a certain set of values that lead to a certain set of candidates.
00:25:37.000 You've got people on the coast like the Koch brothers, you've got people like Sheldon Adelson, who is an establishment guy, who doesn't believe in social policies at all, and who sort of, all these people have sort of the same perspective on religious people in the middle of the country, which is sort of, who are these guys?
00:25:52.000 Why are we supposed to care about them?
00:25:53.000 And the same thing is true of donors in New York and Los Angeles.
00:25:57.000 There's a real separation between the money and the grassroots in the Republican Party, and that has some pretty dire ramifications.
00:26:03.000 Because as we move forward, and the money separates from the grassroots, that's an unworkable party.
00:26:08.000 And that's what's happening.
00:26:09.000 And the reason Trump is filling that gap is because he doesn't need the money, and he's perfectly happy just catering directly to the grassroots.
00:26:16.000 Now, the left is saying that, of course, by the way, speaking of people who won't endorse
00:26:23.000 Trump, Jeb Bush did an interview right after the debate in which he went after Donald Trump and Jeb is I think a good voice for what the establishment is.
00:26:31.000 The establishment wing is sort of Bush in their orientation.
00:26:35.000 Big government, not too hawkish on foreign policy, somewhat hawkish but not too hawkish on foreign policy.
00:26:41.000 George H.W.
00:26:42.000 Bush is sort of where they're at.
00:26:43.000 Here is Jeb Bush talking about Donald Trump.
00:26:47.000 In the case of Donald Trump, he's a bully.
00:26:50.000 Look, I mean, you guys interview him all the time.
00:26:52.000 I mean, he has his way, and to push up, you know, post up against him a little bit and push back, you get a sense of, you know, he's not quite all in command.
00:27:04.000 And as he says that, and as he continues to undermine the candidacy of Donald Trump, you have to remember, what is the end goal here?
00:27:10.000 What's the end game?
00:27:11.000 And the end game is, I mean, right now there are only three candidates who could win, and two of those candidates definitely splinter the party.
00:27:16.000 So it's...
00:27:19.000 You know, I don't mean to be the bearer of bad tidings here, but this is a problem with having a party that has not had any unifying force for years and years and years.
00:27:28.000 And the reason they have no unifying force is that unifying force exists in opposition.
00:27:32.000 People always suggest that unifying forces come together around someone.
00:27:36.000 All we need is a transformational figure.
00:27:38.000 No, the transformational figure takes advantage of the burgeoning unity.
00:27:42.000 Right?
00:27:42.000 Hitler was a transformational figure in Germany, not because people just rallied around Hitler, but because people were rallying around Hitler's anti-Jew, anti-capitalist, anti-communist agenda.
00:27:52.000 Right?
00:27:52.000 That was his agenda, and people rallied around it.
00:27:54.000 His anti-establishment agenda, actually, in Germany.
00:27:57.000 His anti-Weimar Republic agenda.
00:27:58.000 People rallied around it, and he was just the focal point of that.
00:28:02.000 And Obama did the same thing.
00:28:03.000 People were reacting to Bush, and then Obama came and said, let's unify around me in opposition to Bush and in opposition to the Republicans.
00:28:10.000 The Republicans don't understand the only person who's even trying to do this really is Trump, and that's why he's the only person who is succeeding.
00:28:17.000 Okay, so it's time for some things that I hate.
00:28:20.000 First, something that I like.
00:28:22.000 If you've never read the book, has anyone in the room ever read the book Day of the Jackal?
00:28:26.000 They made a movie, a really terrible movie with Bruce Willis, where they attempted to do this, and it was just an awful film.
00:28:32.000 There's a not bad film with Edward Fox, The Day of the Jackal from the 70s, but The Day of the Jackal is the best thriller ever written.
00:28:38.000 If you're into kind of action thrillers, it is brilliant, it is clever, it's not kind of by the numbers, it's not the same hero appearing in every book, it's not Tom Clancy, it's a one-off, and it is a fantastic book.
00:28:49.000 Day of the Jackal, you should go and pick it up by Frederick Forsyth.
00:28:51.000 Terrific, terrific book.
00:28:53.000 Okay, things that I hate.
00:28:54.000 So,
00:28:55.000 In my little debate with Patton Oswalt yesterday, which apparently it always takes two days for these things to go viral on the internet, so now it's starting to go viral, and of course you've got the left-wing website saying that he was clearly the winner because he's Patton Oswalt, and you've got the right-wing website saying that I was clearly the winner because I'm me, and so, you know, I obviously think I was the winner because I think Patton Oswalt is not that smart of a guy, to be frank with you.
00:29:15.000 I think that he is a knee-jerk leftist who doesn't know very much about politics.
00:29:18.000 I think that he's a comedian who is
00:29:21.000 You know, he thinks he's very well informed because he's an atheist, and so he has the arrogance that many atheists have to them, which is, I must be brilliant because I don't believe in God, and so he thinks that he knows politics.
00:29:30.000 He doesn't.
00:29:30.000 He backs Bernie Sanders, even though according to the interwebs, as I said yesterday, he's worth $14 million.
00:29:36.000 I thought the most, I have to say, the lack of self-awareness
00:29:41.000 On the part of so many folks on the left, truly is astonishing.
00:29:43.000 I mean, really, really astonishing.
00:29:46.000 And as an example, I will give you this tweet.
00:29:49.000 I'm trying to find it here.
00:29:50.000 Here it is.
00:29:51.000 So I missed this one yesterday in our exchange because what happened is that we were tweeting and then I got in the car.
00:29:55.000 By the time I got out of the car, he was tweeting me, why haven't you responded to me in the last half hour?
00:29:59.000 Because I was in the car, you douchebag.
00:30:00.000 But in any case, he tweeted at me that I had tweeted at him, how much money do you have?
00:30:06.000 You know, what is your, well, you're a socialist.
00:30:07.000 And he writes back to me, And I tweeted back to him,
00:30:25.000 Because what I say is, what business is of yours how much money I make, or how much money goes to the government, or what I do with my money.
00:30:32.000 That's my business.
00:30:33.000 You don't get to be a capitalist when it comes to your own money, but you get to be a socialist when it comes to everybody else's.
00:30:39.000 That is one thing that I hate, but one of the other things that came up in this exchange was Patton Oswalt suggesting that science magically turns men into women and women into men.
00:30:46.000 Which was always amusing.
00:30:47.000 I like hearing undereducated comedians talk about how science makes chromosomes magically change because people think subjectively that they are of the other sex.
00:30:56.000 So I thought that we should play some video of, I think, a transgender icon.
00:31:01.000 And I'm not talking about some of the people who get heavily made up to go on TV.
00:31:04.000 I'm not talking about that man who thinks he's a woman who's on Orange is the New Black and I can never remember this person's name.
00:31:12.000 Laverne Cox.
00:31:13.000 Laverne Cox.
00:31:13.000 I'm not talking about that.
00:31:14.000 I'm not talking about Eddie Redmayne and the Danish girl with all the lighting and all of the makeup to make him look as much like a woman as humanly possible.
00:31:20.000 I'm not going to talk about that.
00:31:22.000 I want to talk about this charming, charming six-year-old girl.
00:31:26.000 And do we have a video of the six-year-old girl?
00:31:28.000 Let's bring up a video of the six-year-old girl.
00:31:30.000 She said stop being trans or leave.
00:31:34.000 So that, to me, stopping trans isn't something I could do.
00:31:39.000 It'd be like telling me to stop being, you know, six foot two, or leave.
00:31:47.000 And I was who I was.
00:31:51.000 I was trans before we married.
00:31:54.000 I was a trans parent for 23 years.
00:32:01.000 It floored me, it scared me.
00:32:03.000 Because I didn't know how to not be trans.
00:32:09.000 Stephanie Walsh, welcome to Daily Extra.
00:32:11.000 You are one of the people profiled in the Transgender Project web series and as well the TV show Am I a Boy or a Girl?
00:32:19.000 Why did you decide to go so public with your story?
00:32:24.000 I paid a pretty heavy price for transitioning and so at a certain point I thought
00:32:31.000 I've already lost everything and everything's happened.
00:32:33.000 So, okay, first of all, I just want to point out the spelling here.
00:32:36.000 So it's not just enough that you... It's Stephanie Walsh, right?
00:32:40.000 Here's how that is spelled for people who can't see the video of this.
00:32:42.000 And if you can't see the video, you're missing half of the fun because Stephanie Walsh is a 52-year-old fat dude who's wearing a wig and a dress and is delusional.
00:32:52.000 Stephanie is spelled S-T-E-F-O-N
00:32:56.000 K-N-E-E.
00:32:58.000 Stephanie.
00:33:00.000 Right?
00:33:00.000 So it's not just... So I guess the perversion of sex is not enough.
00:33:03.000 The perversion of spelling has to be added.
00:33:05.000 So here's the part about Stephanie Walsh, right?
00:33:08.000 That really is astonishing.
00:33:09.000 So it's not just that Stephanie Walsh thinks that Stephanie Walsh is a woman.
00:33:15.000 Okay?
00:33:15.000 And he is... This guy, by the way, he's deeply immoral.
00:33:19.000 He left his family, right?
00:33:20.000 He left his kids so that he could go live this lifestyle.
00:33:24.000 The lifestyle that he is living
00:33:26.000 The lifestyle that he is living is not of just a woman.
00:33:31.000 It's of a six-year-old girl.
00:33:32.000 It's a six-year-old girl, and I think he talks about it here, how he actually, deep down inside, he's not a 52-year-old woman.
00:33:38.000 He's a six-year-old girl in his head, and none of us can judge, right?
00:33:42.000 That's it.
00:33:42.000 And according to Patton Oswalt and company, science says that the man that you're looking at, the 52-year-old man that you're looking at, according to Patton Oswalt and Reza Aslan, who jumped in also, you know, I don't know who Reza Aslan really was, to tell you the truth.
00:33:53.000 I thought he was just the king of Narnia, but turns out that he's a commentator.
00:33:56.000 But in any case,
00:33:58.000 I'm gonna be me, and I'm gonna show other people that it's okay to be.
00:34:18.000 Feminine for a guy.
00:34:19.000 And so by coming completely out of the closet, it just liberated me to the point where let's do this.
00:34:26.000 Let's talk about it and let people know that this is okay.
00:34:30.000 2007, when I actually stepped forward and started getting myself educated as to who I was and what this was, I was pretty naive.
00:34:42.000 But that naivete would quickly come to a crashing halt.
00:34:46.000 At age 46, after 23 years of marriage and seven kids, Stephanie realized she wasn't a crossdresser.
00:34:55.000 She was transgender, a person whose gender is different than the sex they were assigned at birth.
00:35:03.000 I'm genderqueer, I'm queer, I'm queer.
00:35:07.000 So having said that, what have you heard from people?
00:35:10.000 A lot of feedback.
00:35:12.000 There's a lot of positive feedback.
00:35:16.000 There's a lot more people that are trans.
00:35:18.000 A lot of people come out to me.
00:35:19.000 I get guys that you wouldn't think that want to wear... like cops and bikers and... can I wear a dress?
00:35:29.000 It gets very playful because you look at people and you think you understand what they're all about.
00:35:36.000 You know, when you see a guy that's 300 pounds with a goatee who pulls in in a Harley and is going through my closet saying, can I wear this dress?
00:35:45.000 Can I wear that dress?
00:35:46.000 Or can I kiss you when I'm wearing the dress?
00:35:48.000 You don't expect it.
00:35:51.000 That's right.
00:35:52.000 Stephanie has moved on.
00:35:55.000 Okay.
00:35:55.000 Believing that she will never be... So enough of this, but the uncut version of this.
00:35:58.000 Okay, this is the cut version.
00:36:00.000 The uncut version of this interview.
00:36:02.000 Quote.
00:36:03.000 It's called play therapy.
00:36:05.000 No medication, no suicide thoughts, I just get to play.
00:36:08.000 Even in jail, where he spent nine days in solitary confinement, this is according to the independents, they say she spent nine days in solitary confinement, but does not explain what for, she played.
00:36:18.000 She made the cell a kingdom and sang songs there and would not be an adult
00:36:21.000 So she said they could not hurt her, saying, if I'm six years old, I don't have to think about adult stuff.
00:36:27.000 This is a six-year-old girl you're looking at here.
00:36:30.000 A six-year-old girl that you're looking at.
00:36:32.000 As she was never allowed to be a girl, she feels she is filling that tank full of little girl experiences, and loves the fact that she has access to really pretty clothes, and doesn't have to act her age.
00:36:40.000 By not acting my age, I don't have to deal with the reality of my past, because it hurt.
00:36:45.000 Hey, first of all, again, this person has, what was it, seven children?
00:36:49.000 Seven, but I was not aware that biological females can impregnate another woman to the tune of seven children.
00:36:54.000 But, beyond that, do you look at this person and think this person is totally mentally stable?
00:36:59.000 The reason I put this in the things that I hate segment is not because I hate Stephanie Walsh.
00:37:02.000 I don't care about Stephanie Walsh particularly much.
00:37:05.000 In fact, I feel kind of terrible for this person because I feel terrible for mentally ill people.
00:37:09.000 Mentally ill people need to be taken care of and they should not be humored.
00:37:14.000 What I hate is a society that pretends that science suggests that what you're looking at on your screen is a six-year-old girl.
00:37:20.000 It's absurd.
00:37:21.000 It's absurd.
00:37:22.000 Don't ask all of society to lie and to, in fact, get rid of the basic differences between man and woman on behalf of people who are mentally ill.
00:37:29.000 It doesn't help them and it doesn't help society.
00:37:32.000 And Patton Oswalt and all these other idiots who are out there talking about science transforming men into women.
00:37:37.000 It's degrading to men, it's degrading to women, and it's degrading to mentally ill people.
00:37:42.000 Because the truth is that if our job is now to humor every fantasy and delusion of the mentally ill, the society is going to go downhill in quite a hurry.
00:37:50.000 And it seems like it already is.
00:37:53.000 Well, on that happy note, you have a wonderful weekend, and we will be back next week with, I'm sure, much more news.
00:38:00.000 Plus, we'll talk more about the Christmas holiday, and Hanukkah's over, so I can say it to you now, as a Jew.
00:38:05.000 Merry Christmas, everybody.
00:38:06.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:38:07.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.