The Ben Shapiro Show - February 15, 2016


Ep. 72 - Conservatives, The Battle Is On. Get In The Game.


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 6 minutes

Words per Minute

195.26888

Word Count

12,891

Sentence Count

1,032

Misogynist Sentences

19

Hate Speech Sentences

20


Summary

Antonio Scalia was a brilliant lawyer, brilliant philosopher, and a brilliant judge. He was a founding member of the Supreme Court, and one of the most important Supreme Court justices of all time. His death on Saturday marks a grave moment for the future of the country, and for the Constitution as we know it, and it's time to remember him for his brilliance, wisdom, and drive to the bench. He will be remembered for his judicial philosophy, originalism and textualism, and his fierce defense of the Constitution, written in simple terms, as it was written by the framers of the United States Constitution in the late 1800s and early 1900s, and how it was meant to be understood by the people of the time it was drafted and understood by modern day readers. He left an indelible mark on the law, and will be greatly missed. - Ben Shapiro Ben Shapiro: Remembering Antonin Scalia - Originalism and Textualism - The Theory of Original Intent - Textualistism and Originalistism The Constitution says what it says, and doesn't care about intent - What is it really means When you read a law, it doesn't make perfect sense? - It doesn't matter if it does or doesn't? What matters is that it means what it was intended by its framers when they had some secret meaning in its words and what is meant by the words they intended to make sense of it Why you should be a textualist and not the words you read them If you don't understand the words, you're not a legislator, you don t care about their intent I don't care if they had a secret meaning when they meant them - When you do not care about a word, you care about its meaning in your words - what is a perfect sense - when you read the words What does it means a word? What is a word that makes perfect sense in your mind - That doesn't mean a word I don t understand it - that doesn t make a word ? - it doesn t matter - I mean, it does not make a sense So I hope you enjoy the words I mean a good word? - What does that makes a good sense? - when they were meant to make a good sentence - so they were intended to be written in the words of the words?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 And here we are, it is Ben Shapiro, back on Monday.
00:00:03.000 The world did not end over the weekend, but it came really, really close to doing so, and we edge ever closer to the edge.
00:00:09.000 In fact, I was actually going to start the show today by carrying around a sign and wearing a beard, and the sign would have said, the end is near, and I'd just walk around on a street corner.
00:00:16.000 That's basically the theme of today's show, so I hope you enjoy it.
00:00:19.000 I'm Ben Shapiro, this is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:22.000 I tend to demonize people because I don't care about your feelings.
00:00:28.000 The death of Antonin Scalia marks a really, really grave moment for the future of the country.
00:00:36.000 It's hard to believe that America and its future as a constitutional republic rest on the shoulder of one man.
00:00:42.000 But when it comes to the Supreme Court, they basically did.
00:00:44.000 Antonin Scalia's judicial philosophy was very simple.
00:00:47.000 The Constitution says what it says.
00:00:49.000 It meant what it meant at the time it was written.
00:00:51.000 Just like anything means what it means at the time that it was written.
00:00:55.000 It's not poetry.
00:00:56.000 It's not fiction.
00:00:57.000 It's just like any other law.
00:00:59.000 This is Antonin Scalia idea.
00:01:00.000 It's called originalism and textualism.
00:01:02.000 The idea was you read the text, it means what it meant when it was written, and it's not the job of the court to apply its own morality into the text.
00:01:10.000 You don't just take the text and read it how you want to read it to achieve the end that you want to achieve.
00:01:15.000 As Scalia liked to say, if you're a judge and you agree with every result that you're ruling, if you agree with the
00:01:21.000 The result of the rulings that you make on every score, you're not a good judge.
00:01:24.000 You're a bad judge.
00:01:25.000 And this is exactly correct.
00:01:26.000 You're not a legislator.
00:01:28.000 You're a judge.
00:01:29.000 And the job of a judge is not to overwhelm the Constitution with your own personal morality as all the leftist judges do.
00:01:36.000 It's to interpret the Constitution as it was written.
00:01:40.000 Well, Justice Scalia was found dead about 2 o'clock in the afternoon Pacific Time on Saturday.
00:01:44.000 I didn't find out about it until after Sabbath, so I come back, and I get hit with that news.
00:01:48.000 And it's brutal news, because right now, the Supreme Court is split 5 to 4.
00:01:52.000 Really, 4 to 4, and Justice Kennedy, who was appointed by a Republican, he was appointed by Reagan, but Justice Kennedy decides how he's gonna vote based on whether he had a solid bowel movement that morning, so he's all over the place.
00:02:03.000 If he took his Metamucil, he votes correctly.
00:02:04.000 If he didn't,
00:02:05.000 Then he votes incorrectly.
00:02:07.000 Justice Kennedy is the guy who will vote along with Justice Scalia as far as gun rights, but then will suggest that the Constitution mandates same-sex marriage at the state level.
00:02:16.000 Justice Kennedy was bad enough, but there were at least four conservatives, or four constitutionalists, on the conservative side of the aisle.
00:02:25.000 Three, if you don't count Justice Roberts, which I don't.
00:02:27.000 So there were three, sometimes four, and maybe, in rare cases, sometimes five.
00:02:31.000 Justice Scalia means that at best now, at best, in some cases,
00:02:35.000 The so-called conservatives on the court have four, and the hard left on the court have four.
00:02:39.000 Now what's amazing about the court is you'll always hear how right-wing the court is.
00:02:43.000 All these crazy right-wingers on the court.
00:02:45.000 Never, ever, ever, ever have Sonia Sotomayor or Elena Kagan or Justice Breyer
00:02:51.000 And never have these people, never have the, or Ginsburg, none of these people have ever voted with the right on anything.
00:02:56.000 It never happens.
00:02:57.000 They always vote with the left.
00:02:58.000 They are very consistent.
00:02:59.000 Leftist judges vote for leftist priorities.
00:03:02.000 Conservative justices vote for the Constitution.
00:03:04.000 That should be the idea.
00:03:06.000 Well, Scalia, let me give you Scalia's explanation of what he thought, because I think that it's important to recognize who he was and what he did.
00:03:13.000 First of all, brilliant writer, tremendous rhetorician.
00:03:16.000 You read his writing and it's just, it sparkles.
00:03:18.000 It's fun to read.
00:03:20.000 And here's what he said about his theory.
00:03:21.000 He said,
00:03:31.000 You will sometimes hear it described as the theory of original intent.
00:03:34.000 You will never hear me refer to original intent because, as I say, I am first of all a textualist and secondly an originalist.
00:03:40.000 If you are a textualist, you don't care about intent, and I don't care if the framers of the Constitution had some secret meaning in mind when they adopted its words.
00:03:48.000 I take the words as they were promulgated to the people of the United States and what is fairly understood of those words.
00:03:54.000 Right?
00:03:54.000 So this makes perfect sense.
00:03:55.000 When you read a law, it means what it means.
00:03:56.000 It doesn't mean what people had in their secret minds.
00:03:59.000 With Scalia's death, the court is now into a 4-4 deadlock, at best for conservatives, at best.
00:04:05.000 And, more likely, it is now thrown into utter chaos, because if Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or any Democrat appoints a justice of their choosing, the Constitution is basically over.
00:04:16.000 And this is not hyperbole.
00:04:17.000 If you look at the rulings that Justice Scalia made, if you look at the majorities in which he took part, these are key rulings to upholding the Constitution of the United States, to upholding your rights.
00:04:28.000 For example, in 2003, Scalia is the guy who wrote the opinion in Heller v. District of Columbia.
00:04:33.000 That was the decision that finally, after 200 years, reinforced the principle that yes, it turns out that you have an individual right to keep and bear arms.
00:04:42.000 That you personally have a right to keep and bear arms.
00:04:44.000 Believe it or not, the Supreme Court had not even ruled on that for 200 years.
00:04:48.000 Obviously, it's self-evident from the Second Amendment that's the case.
00:04:50.000 Now that Scalia's dead, if the left gets the court, they immediately rule the reverse.
00:04:54.000 They say you don't have an individual right to keep and bear arms.
00:04:57.000 So if a state or the federal government forces you to turn in your gun, they can do that.
00:05:03.000 This is not exaggeration.
00:05:04.000 This is exactly what justices on the left on the Supreme Court say.
00:05:07.000 Freedom of speech.
00:05:09.000 Scalia was a key voice on freedom of speech on the Supreme Court.
00:05:14.000 So Scalia was even more freedom of speech than I was in terms of his interpretation.
00:05:17.000 He thought, for example, that flag burning
00:05:19.000 Was protected by the Constitution, which I disagree with.
00:05:22.000 If you look at the text of the Constitution and the context of it, the other laws on the books at the time, I don't think that's the case.
00:05:27.000 But Scalia was almost a free speech absolutist.
00:05:31.000 He was the deciding voice on Citizens United versus FEC.
00:05:34.000 That was the ruling that said that corporations could engage in political speech near elections.
00:05:38.000 In other words,
00:05:39.000 If Lindsey and Jonathan and Mathis and I all decided to put together a corporation and take out political ads, the government couldn't stop us from doing that.
00:05:46.000 Scalia ruled that that was correct.
00:05:49.000 Well, now they're going to reverse that, if Obama gets his way, and everybody who is part of any corporation will now be subject to campaign finance laws, which basically means that they can shut down the right.
00:06:00.000 They'll find an excuse to shut down the right.
00:06:02.000 And it'll get a lot worse than that, okay, on freedom of speech.
00:06:05.000 Elena Kagan, who was the Dean of Harvard Law when I was there, and now of course sits on the Supreme Court, Elena Kagan said back in 1993 that hate speech should not be covered by the First Amendment.
00:06:15.000 In other words, things that make people feel bad should not be covered by the First Amendment.
00:06:19.000 We should be prosecuted if we say things like, there's a serious problem inside the Islamic community with terrorism, or there's a problem of education inside the black community.
00:06:28.000 This could be construed as hate speech, and thus you could be prosecuted for it.
00:06:32.000 And the Supreme Court is one vote away from ruling that.
00:06:35.000 They pass a law prosecuting hate speech that basically all dissent is now illegal.
00:06:41.000 Scalia was supposed to be the fifth vote on a case that's coming up on unions.
00:06:46.000 Unions are seizing union dues from people who are in their industry and using them to back Democratic politicians.
00:06:53.000 Scalia was going to be the fifth vote on that to say that's illegal, that you can't do that under the First Amendment.
00:06:57.000 Now it'll probably go the other way.
00:06:59.000 Unions will continue to run their racket.
00:07:01.000 Freedom of religion?
00:07:02.000 Scalia was the fifth vote on the Hobby Lobby case which suggested that closely held corporations had religious freedom rights.
00:07:08.000 So in my business, The Daily Wire, I don't have to promulgate leftist ideologies because that's not my job.
00:07:15.000 Right?
00:07:15.000 And more than not being my job, it would violate my religious freedom if we were to suggest that a corporation like the Daily Wire has to, for example, produce videos in favor of same-sex marriage for a gay wedding.
00:07:27.000 Somebody comes to us and they offer us $5,000 to make a video in favor of same-sex marriage.
00:07:32.000 We say that's against our religion.
00:07:33.000 I'm a religious person.
00:07:34.000 The people who own the Daily Wire are religious people.
00:07:37.000 That will now be reversed.
00:07:38.000 So they will make sure that all of those bakers who don't want to participate in same-sex weddings will now be forced to do so.
00:07:44.000 And it'll go further than that.
00:07:45.000 They'll suggest that religious day schools have to treat same-sex marriage in the same way that they treat traditional marriage.
00:07:51.000 They'll suggest that churches have to now fund abortion.
00:07:54.000 They've already said this with regard to the Little Sisters of the Poor, with regard to Obamacare.
00:08:00.000 Freedom of religion will go by the wayside.
00:08:01.000 They'll overrule the death penalty.
00:08:02.000 They'll suggest the death penalty is no longer allowed by the Constitution, even though the Constitution explicitly talks about the death penalty at least twice.
00:08:11.000 Abortion.
00:08:12.000 They'll just reinvigorate Roe v. Wade and suggest that any state abortion laws on the books are anti the Constitution.
00:08:19.000 On voting, they'll go through and they'll say again that the federal government has the right to do the redistricting.
00:08:23.000 They'll get rid of voter ID laws that prevent voter fraud.
00:08:27.000 This is what is at stake here if there's one more vote on the Supreme Court.
00:08:30.000 And Barack Obama says he's going to appoint that guy.
00:08:32.000 He's going to go ahead, that guy or woman.
00:08:34.000 And you watch, Barack Obama will find the leftmost person he can find who is a gay, black, Hispanic, lesbian, transgender little person.
00:08:42.000 He'll find the most diverse person he can find, and then he'll suggest that the reason people oppose that person is because they're racist, sexist, bigot, homophobes, just like the only reason they oppose him is because he's a black guy.
00:08:53.000 And Republicans, naturally, are handling this all the wrong way.
00:08:56.000 So here is Barack Obama saying that he's going to nominate a successor to Scalia.
00:09:01.000 Obviously, today is a time to remember Justice Scalia's legacy.
00:09:09.000 I plan to fulfill my constitutional responsibilities to nominate a successor.
00:09:13.000 Okay, let me stop it right there.
00:09:15.000 That's all that matters.
00:09:16.000 First of all, he says we're going to recognize Scalia's legacy.
00:09:18.000 And the best way to recognize Justice Scalia's legacy
00:09:21.000 is to completely overthrow it by putting in someone who disagreed with everything he ever did.
00:09:25.000 That's the best way to recognize his legacy.
00:09:27.000 Now look, I'm actually not going to get all over Obama for trying to nominate a successor.
00:09:31.000 Of course he's going to.
00:09:32.000 Who thought he wasn't going to do this?
00:09:35.000 At the debate, there were a bunch of Republicans who said, No, Obama shouldn't even bother.
00:09:39.000 He shouldn't try to nominate a successor.
00:09:41.000 Mitch McConnell says, Oh, we're going to hold off until after the election to start looking at nominees.
00:09:47.000 We're not going to let Obama pick the successor.
00:09:50.000 And this is, honestly, I think this is a very stupid tack, and I'll explain why.
00:09:55.000 So, Ted Cruz, for example, he says if Democrats want to replace Scalia, they need to win the 2016 election.
00:10:01.000 So here is Senator Cruz talking about this with George Stephanopoulos.
00:10:05.000 Let's begin with that news about Justice Scalia.
00:10:08.000 You've said that President Obama should wait to name a successor, but Ronald Reagan nominated Anthony Kennedy with 13 months left in his term was confirmed in February 1988.
00:10:16.000 President Obama has more than 10 months left in his term.
00:10:20.000 Why isn't it his right to nominate a justice and the Senate's responsibility to give that nominee an up or down vote?
00:10:27.000 George, the Senate has not confirmed a nominee that was named in the final year, in election year, in 80 years.
00:10:34.000 This is a lame-duck president.
00:10:35.000 And by the way, the only reason Anthony Kennedy was nominated that late is that Democrats in the Senate had gone after and defeated two previous nominees, Robert Bork, which set a new standard for partisan attacks on a nominee, and Doug Ginsburg.
00:10:49.000 So it was the Democrats that had dragged it out for many months to make it that late.
00:10:53.000 And right now the court is exquisitely balanced.
00:10:57.000 Justice Scalia, someone I've known for over 20 years, was an extraordinary man.
00:11:01.000 Principal jurist, faithful to the Constitution.
00:11:04.000 His impact on the court was incomparable.
00:11:07.000 As Ronald Reagan was to the presidency, so Justice Scalia was to the court.
00:11:11.000 And this is a 5-4 court.
00:11:14.000 This next election needs to be a referendum on the court.
00:11:17.000 The people need to decide, and I'm very glad that the Senate is agreeing with what I called for, that we should not allow a lame-duck president to essentially capture the Supreme Court in the waning months of his presidency.
00:11:29.000 We can pause it there.
00:11:32.000 So there are a couple of things that he says there that are worth noting.
00:11:34.000 Number one, he says the court is exquisitely balanced.
00:11:37.000 It is not the role of the court to be a political organ.
00:11:40.000 The fact that we're talking about how the court is balanced demonstrates that it has become a legislative organ.
00:11:46.000 When I was in my third year at Harvard Law School, you write a third-year paper to graduate, and my third-year paper at Harvard Law was based on the idea the Supreme Court should not have the power of judicial review.
00:11:54.000 Marbury versus Madison was wrongly decided.
00:11:58.000 The reason I said that is because if you have a super legislature that is deciding whether or not the regular legislature is doing a moral job, we didn't elect these people, and they're sitting there for life.
00:12:09.000 So how in the world is that a reflection of American republicanism?
00:12:12.000 That's just an oligarchy.
00:12:13.000 It's just a tyranny ruling us.
00:12:14.000 So I don't believe in the whole exquisite balance of the court thing.
00:12:17.000 I don't think the court should have this kind of power in the first place.
00:12:20.000 What the court should be are people who interpret the Constitution as it was written.
00:12:24.000 The founders knew this.
00:12:25.000 The founders knew this.
00:12:26.000 In Federalist 78, which is written by Alexander Hamilton in order to push the Constitution forward, in Federalist 78,
00:12:34.000 Alexander Hammond, he specifically wrote, quote,
00:12:51.000 The anti-federalist Robert Yates, he opposed the entire judicial review scheme.
00:12:55.000 He said, Which is exactly what's happened with the court.
00:12:57.000 Scalia is a rare exception.
00:12:58.000 Unless you appoint magnificent people,
00:13:18.000 So if you're elected president, will you promise not to make an appointment in your final year?
00:13:43.000 Yeah, well, I'm not saying the President can't make an appointment.
00:13:45.000 I'm saying we're not going to move forward on it in the Senate.
00:13:47.000 And that has been the practice now for over 80 years.
00:13:51.000 Well, he shouldn't.
00:13:52.000 He has the legal right to do it.
00:13:54.000 And as President, I would recognize that precedent.
00:13:56.000 And the precedent that's been set over the last 80 years has been that in the last year of a President's term, and his second term especially, there should not be Supreme Court nominees put into lifetime positions for a President that you're not going to be able to hold accountable at the ballot box.
00:14:11.000 There's going to be an election in November.
00:14:13.000 This is going to be an issue in the election.
00:14:15.000 The voters are going to choose a new president, and that new president, who I believe will be me, should then fill that vacancy for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court.
00:14:23.000 Okay.
00:14:25.000 This is a deeply stupid argument.
00:14:27.000 Chuck Schumer is a senator from New York.
00:14:29.000 He says, don't worry, the mainstream GOP isn't going to make this happen.
00:14:33.000 They're bloviating about how they're going to stop Obama's nominee.
00:14:35.000 They're not going to stop anything.
00:14:36.000 Here's Chuck Schumer from New York.
00:14:37.000 He's harking back to his old days.
00:14:39.000 You know, recently he said, well, I want regular order.
00:14:43.000 But in 2010, right after the election, or right during the election, he said, my number one job is to defeat Barack Obama, without even knowing what Barack Obama was going to propose.
00:14:52.000 Here, he doesn't even know who the president's going to propose, and he says, no, we're not having hearings, we're not going to go forward.
00:14:58.000 To leave the Supreme Court vacant for 300 days in a divided time?
00:15:03.000 This kind of obstructionism isn't going to last.
00:15:06.000 And you know, we Democrats didn't do this when we voted 97 to nothing for Justice Kennedy in the last year of Reagan's term.
00:15:15.000 After voting down Justice Bork and Justice Hicks.
00:15:17.000 Yeah, well, but we had nominations.
00:15:19.000 And that's the point here.
00:15:20.000 The President's going to nominate.
00:15:22.000 I believe that many of the mainstream Republicans, when the President nominates a mainstream nominee, will not want to follow Mitch McConnell over the cliff.
00:15:31.000 So that's what you think the President should do?
00:15:32.000 Send someone who he thinks can credibly get Republican support rather than send someone who will send a powerful message about the direction he wants to take the court in?
00:15:40.000 I think first, the American people don't like this obstructionism.
00:15:44.000 When you go right off the bat and say, I don't care who he nominates, I am going to oppose him, that's not going to fly.
00:15:49.000 And a lot of the mainstream Republicans are going to say, I may not follow this.
00:15:53.000 OK, so let's stop it there.
00:15:55.000 Chuck Schumer, he says, we voted on people before.
00:15:58.000 Here's Chuck Schumer back in 2007.
00:16:00.000 Is it going back just a few years?
00:16:02.000 Chuck Schumer, circa 2007, talking about whether he would vote on a Republican nominee.
00:16:08.000 Here we go.
00:16:09.000 I want to take you back to 2007 now.
00:16:12.000 Here is Chuck Schumer.
00:16:13.000 I think it was about 18 months, right, before the election?
00:16:17.000 I think that's right, the summer of 2007, and this is what he said about appointments then, in an election year.
00:16:23.000 We should not confirm any Bush nominee to the Supreme Court except in extraordinary circumstances.
00:16:34.000 They must prove
00:16:38.000 They must prove by actions, not words, that they are in the mainstream, rather than we have to prove that they are not.
00:16:46.000 Okay, so, Schumer's a liar, right?
00:16:48.000 He says that, you know, we've always given people an up or down vote.
00:16:50.000 BS.
00:16:51.000 BS.
00:16:52.000 I mean, I remember back to 2003 to 2005, when Democrats were routinely filibustering Republican judicial nominees.
00:16:58.000 And at the time, I said, oh, they shouldn't be filibustering judicial nominees.
00:17:02.000 I've actually changed my mind on this.
00:17:04.000 I've actually changed my mind on this.
00:17:05.000 Because I don't think the procedurals matter.
00:17:07.000 I really don't.
00:17:08.000 Barack Obama, by the way, tried to filibuster Justice Alito back when he was in the Senate.
00:17:13.000 So, you know, Barack Obama, the guy who's now saying that he would not- filibusters are terrible.
00:17:17.000 We should never- we need an up or down vote.
00:17:20.000 Let's put all this aside.
00:17:21.000 Here's why the Republican argument here is dumb.
00:17:24.000 It's dumb because if Hillary Clinton is elected at the end of this year, that should not mean that Republicans then greenlight anybody she chooses.
00:17:34.000 The Constitution is not a question of timing or calendar.
00:17:38.000 Protection of the Constitution, protection of the Supreme Court, protection of your rights and my rights, that's not just a matter of he's in his last year.
00:17:45.000 If it were two years ago, we still wouldn't approve of any of Obama's nominees.
00:17:49.000 We shouldn't.
00:17:50.000 And why is the calendar matter?
00:17:51.000 It's such a dumb, silly Senate trick.
00:17:54.000 It's this whole collegiality of the Senate.
00:17:56.000 We can't really say why we're going to shut down the nominees, namely they're crap.
00:18:00.000 No, instead what we're going to do is we're going to say that it's the timing's all wrong.
00:18:02.000 He's a lame duck.
00:18:04.000 Until he won't push forward with this.
00:18:06.000 I don't care about the timing.
00:18:08.000 I don't care whether the Republicans have to use filibuster.
00:18:10.000 I don't care whether the Republicans have to adjourn forever and hold themselves in session so Obama can't make a recess appointment.
00:18:16.000 I don't care.
00:18:17.000 Whatever you have to do, you stop the Supreme Court from becoming a tool of the left to dismantle the Constitution of the United States.
00:18:24.000 This is not time-bound.
00:18:25.000 I don't care if there have to be eight justices on the Supreme Court for the next 20 years.
00:18:30.000 I don't care if justice after justice starts to die and you end up with three.
00:18:33.000 I don't care.
00:18:34.000 Okay, it doesn't matter to me.
00:18:36.000 Because the only thing that matters to me is are the people on this- I don't care about number.
00:18:40.000 I care about quality.
00:18:42.000 Are the people on the Supreme Court going to uphold the Constitution of the United States, or are they going to do like the Supreme Court has done my entire lifetime and several lifetimes before that, and push forward leftist policy preferences in the name of the Constitution of the United States?
00:18:55.000 Because if they do that, they don't belong on the Court, and I don't care.
00:18:59.000 I don't care whether business gets held up.
00:19:02.000 This is the only thing in American life, in American government, that truly matters.
00:19:06.000 We have an executive branch that has completely overridden the Constitution.
00:19:09.000 We have a legislative branch that's completely abdicated its responsibilities and overridden the Constitution.
00:19:14.000 And we now have a Supreme Court that pushes forward its own political priorities in the name of the Constitution.
00:19:20.000 If you have a majority of the Supreme Court pushing forward those priorities,
00:19:24.000 It's over, gang.
00:19:25.000 It's over.
00:19:26.000 There is no 1st Amendment.
00:19:27.000 There is no 2nd Amendment.
00:19:28.000 There is no 4th Amendment.
00:19:29.000 There is no 5th Amendment.
00:19:30.000 There's certainly no 10th Amendment.
00:19:34.000 It's a disaster area.
00:19:35.000 So Republicans have to stop with all of this.
00:19:37.000 If Obama nominates someone, we won't even look at them.
00:19:39.000 It's not about Obama.
00:19:42.000 What Republicans should be saying today.
00:19:44.000 No one who does not mirror Justice Scalia's philosophy of jurisprudence will be confirmed by a Republican Senate.
00:19:51.000 No one.
00:19:52.000 Period.
00:19:52.000 End of story.
00:19:53.000 Not a moderate.
00:19:54.000 Not somebody who says they're moderate.
00:19:55.000 Not somebody who says that they rule both ways.
00:19:57.000 Not somebody who says, I don't have a real judicial philosophy.
00:20:00.000 I have to look at each case as it comes.
00:20:01.000 There should be a litmus test.
00:20:03.000 A philosophical litmus test for the court.
00:20:05.000 Which is, do you think that the court is a tool of policy?
00:20:09.000 Or do you think that the court is here to just say what the Constitution says?
00:20:14.000 And if it's the first, you have no place on the court, and nobody along those lines should be confirmed whether it's a Republican or a Democrat proposing it.
00:20:21.000 Okay, so that was the first half of the world's crappiest political weekend.
00:20:25.000 The second half of the world's crappiest political weekend is I literally get off from Sabbath, and it's 6.15, and I find out in the first 20 seconds that Scalia is dead, which is just tragic because not only did we lose a great mind, as I say, the Constitution is now on the verge of death.
00:20:39.000 It really is, on life support right now.
00:20:41.000 And the people protecting it are the same people who have been unwilling to defund President Obama's executive amnesty, Obamacare, or Planned Parenthood.
00:20:49.000 So putting our fate in the hands of those folks seems like a fool's errand.
00:20:53.000 But I immediately go from that to I've got to turn on the TV and live-blog the Republican debate.
00:20:57.000 And this Republican debate, I mean, folks, this is a serious issue, okay?
00:21:01.000 The future of the Constitution, the future of the country is serious, and instead we got a full-fledged garbage fire clown show.
00:21:08.000 I mean, this debate was basically a bunch of clowns in the clown car crashing off a train track into a garbage heap and then setting themselves on fire.
00:21:18.000 That's what this debate was.
00:21:20.000 It was garbage through and through, and the garbage master is Donald Trump.
00:21:25.000 Donald Trump, the fact that he was allowed to get away with what he was by the moderators is shocking to me.
00:21:30.000 We'll play clips from this debate, but Donald Trump went full Trump.
00:21:33.000 We're talking about shouting over people, calling President Bush a liar, suggesting that President Bush didn't keep the country safe because of 9-11.
00:21:40.000 Saying that President Bush was responsible for the worst war of all time in the war of Iraq.
00:21:43.000 I mean it was, it was truly egregious stuff.
00:21:45.000 And then you got Jeb over in the corning shouting for his mother, literally.
00:21:49.000 You got Ted Cruz who's just trying to keep sane while all the nut jobs around him are bashing each other.
00:21:54.000 Marco Rubio calling him a liar.
00:21:56.000 Ted Cruz being called by Donald Trump the biggest liar in the Republican race.
00:22:00.000 Which is incredible that Donald Trump gets to call anybody a liar.
00:22:03.000 The man has never held a consistent political position other than he loves himself.
00:22:07.000 This is what the debate was.
00:22:08.000 And then John Kasich over there air chopping fruit and everybody leaving him alone.
00:22:14.000 We have to go through this debate because it's actually important that we recognize, okay?
00:22:18.000 The country is at stake here.
00:22:20.000 Enough with the clown show, gang.
00:22:21.000 Enough with the clown show.
00:22:22.000 It was amusing when Trump was bashing the right people.
00:22:25.000 Now Trump is just lashing out at anybody who's not Trump.
00:22:27.000 And he's gonna win South Carolina.
00:22:29.000 Latest poll has him up by 20 points in South Carolina.
00:22:31.000 In a minute, I want to talk about what that means for the Republican Party in the country.
00:22:35.000 Because the Constitution may die at the Supreme Court level, probably will, based on what Republicans have done, unless we fight, unless we stand up and tell our Republican legislators, we don't care if you lose election, we don't care if you get kicked out by Democrats, you have an obligation to stand up for the Constitution of the United States, dammit, you've missed it for a hundred years, now's about time to shout no.
00:22:55.000 Or it can happen at the presidential level, if somebody like Donald Trump is elected on the Republican side as the nominee.
00:23:01.000 So, to the debate.
00:23:03.000 Here is Donald Trump going at Ted Cruz.
00:23:05.000 Trump doesn't like Ted Cruz because Ted Cruz beat him in Iowa and he's been bashing him ever since.
00:23:09.000 And this is just, this is in a nutshell what happened at the debate in one clip.
00:23:15.000 Alright, let's play it.
00:23:16.000 I like Donald.
00:23:17.000 He is an amazing entertainer.
00:23:19.000 But his policies for most of his life...
00:23:22.000 Thank you very much.
00:23:23.000 I appreciate it.
00:23:23.000 For most of his life, his policies have been very, very liberal.
00:23:26.000 For most of his life, he has described himself as very pro-choice and as a supporter of partial birth abortion.
00:23:34.000 Right now, today, as a candidate, he supports federal taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood.
00:23:39.000 I disagree with him on that.
00:23:41.000 That's a matter of principle.
00:23:42.000 You are the single biggest liar.
00:23:44.000 You probably are worse than Jeb Bush.
00:23:46.000 You are the single biggest liar.
00:23:49.000 This guy lied, let me just tell you, this guy lied about Ben Carson when he took votes away from Ben Carson in Iowa.
00:23:57.000 And he just continues.
00:23:59.000 And today we had robocalls saying Donald Trump is not going to run in South Carolina where I'm leading by a lot.
00:24:06.000 I'm not going to run.
00:24:08.000 Vote for Ted Cruz.
00:24:09.000 This is the same thing he did to Ben Carson.
00:24:12.000 This guy will say anything.
00:24:14.000 Nasty guy.
00:24:15.000 Now I know why he doesn't have one endorsement from any of his colleagues.
00:24:18.000 Senator Cruz, pick from the buffet there.
00:24:21.000 He's a nasty guy.
00:24:23.000 I will say.
00:24:25.000 I will say it is fairly remarkable to see Donald defending Ban after he called him pathological and compared him to a child molester, both of which were offensive and wrong.
00:24:35.000 But let me say more broadly, you notice Donald didn't disagree with the substance that he supports taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood.
00:24:43.000 And Donald has this weird pattern.
00:24:45.000 When you point to his own record, he screams, liar, liar, liar.
00:24:49.000 If you want to go... Where did I support it?
00:24:51.000 Where did I support it?
00:24:52.000 Hey, Ted, where did I support it?
00:24:53.000 If you want to go and watch the video, go to our website, TedCruz.org.
00:24:57.000 You can see it out of Donald's own mouth.
00:25:00.000 Where did I support it?
00:25:01.000 You supported it when we were battling over defunding Planned Parenthood.
00:25:04.000 You went on television and said, Planned Parenthood does wonderful things and we should not defund it.
00:25:09.000 Well, it does do wonderful things, but not as it relates to abortion.
00:25:12.000 So tell me, what are the wonderful things it does?
00:25:15.000 There are wonderful things having to do with women's health.
00:25:18.000 You see, you and I disagree on that.
00:25:20.000 Not when it comes to abortion.
00:25:24.000 John, the reason principle matters.
00:25:26.000 The reason principle matters, sadly, was illustrated by the first questions today.
00:25:30.000 The next president is going to appoint one, two, three, four Supreme Court justices.
00:25:34.000 If Donald Trump is president, he will appoint liberals.
00:25:38.000 If Donald Trump is president, your second amendment will go away.
00:25:42.000 Hold on, let me tell you.
00:25:44.000 Hold on gentlemen, I'm going to turn this far around.
00:25:46.000 Ted Cruz, with your brother, wanted John Roberts to be in the United States Supreme Court.
00:25:53.000 They both pushed him.
00:25:54.000 He twice approved Obamacare.
00:25:56.000 My name was mentioned twice.
00:26:00.000 Hold on, we're going to... Gentlemen, we're in danger of driving this into the dirt.
00:26:04.000 You gave us... Senator Rubio, I'd like you to... Do you want to jump in here?
00:26:08.000 Just call me a liar.
00:26:09.000 I understand.
00:26:10.000 You're on deck, Governor.
00:26:11.000 You're also denigrating one of my heroes, Ronald Reagan.
00:26:14.000 Ronald Reagan...
00:26:16.000 Was a liberal maybe in the 1950s.
00:26:18.000 He was a conservative reform governor for eight years before he became president, and no one would suggest he made an evolution for political purposes.
00:26:26.000 He was a conservative, and he didn't tear down people like Donald Trump did.
00:26:30.000 He tore down the Berlin Wall.
00:26:31.000 Okay, Governor.
00:26:32.000 Great guy.
00:26:34.000 Governor.
00:26:36.000 Senator Cruz, 30 seconds on this one.
00:26:39.000 I did not nominate John Roberts.
00:26:41.000 I would not have nominated John Roberts.
00:26:43.000 You pushed him.
00:26:43.000 You pushed him.
00:26:44.000 I supported him.
00:26:44.000 You worked with him and you pushed him.
00:26:46.000 Why do you lie?
00:26:47.000 Donald, adults learn not to interrupt people.
00:26:49.000 Why do you lie?
00:26:50.000 You pushed him.
00:26:51.000 Donald, adults learn not to interrupt people.
00:26:53.000 Yeah, yeah, I know.
00:26:53.000 You're an adult.
00:26:55.000 I did not nominate...
00:26:56.000 So, as you can see, total train wreck.
00:26:59.000 By the way, Donald Trump is lying.
00:27:00.000 He does support funding for Planned Parenthood.
00:27:02.000 He does support funding for Planned Parenthood.
00:27:04.000 He says he doesn't support funding for Planned Parenthood's abortion services.
00:27:08.000 That's ridiculous.
00:27:09.000 Any dollar you sign over to Planned Parenthood is now fungible.
00:27:12.000 That means it can be moved around.
00:27:13.000 Dollars aren't earmarked.
00:27:15.000 If you say, not for abortion, that just means that Planned Parenthood can now take your dollar, spend it on something else, and take the dollar they were going to spend on that other thing and use it for abortion.
00:27:25.000 Hey, the vast majority of Planned Parenthood's budget goes to abortion services.
00:27:28.000 That's what it does.
00:27:30.000 But what's amazing about all of this, what's amazing about all... Okay, first, everything Ted Cruz here is saying is correct.
00:27:35.000 If Donald Trump were in charge, he has said he would nominate to the Supreme Court his own sister, who's a federal appeals court judge, and who has supported partial birth abortion.
00:27:43.000 Partial birth abortion.
00:27:44.000 Not just abortion.
00:27:45.000 Abortion, like, one minute before the baby's born.
00:27:48.000 And so, but what's amazing here is that because, first of all, the moderator's a disaster area.
00:27:53.000 Where's the moderator to say, it's not your turn, Mr. Trump.
00:27:56.000 You need to let Mr. Cruz talk and then we'll come back to you.
00:27:59.000 Instead, he just lets Trump shout over him.
00:28:02.000 And the impression that you get here, and it was like this all night, the impression that you get is that Donald Trump was bullying everybody into the dirt.
00:28:09.000 And that's actually good for Trump.
00:28:11.000 That's what Trump wants.
00:28:12.000 Trump wants the impression that he's gonna bully you into the dirt.
00:28:15.000 He wants the impression he's gonna win for you.
00:28:17.000 If he fights this hard on the stage for himself, he'll do it for you, too.
00:28:21.000 It's the Caudillo mentality.
00:28:22.000 It's the Banana Republic mentality.
00:28:24.000 I'm here, and I'm fighting for me, and I'm gonna stand here, and I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do.
00:28:28.000 Now, what Cruz should have done there, he said, you know, Donald, adults learn not to interrupt each other.
00:28:34.000 The school marmish kind of lecturing tone there is not useful.
00:28:38.000 What needed to happen there, and nobody has the balls to do it, what needed to actually happen here is somebody, I don't care if it's Cruz, Bush wouldn't do it because he doesn't, we'll see Trump do the same thing to Jeb in a second.
00:28:49.000 What nobody has the balls to do is turn to Trump and say, Donald, I know you spent your entire life bullying people.
00:28:56.000 I know you spent your entire life thinking you can get away with anything because you've been loaded since the time you were a child and nobody's ever said no to you.
00:29:02.000 But at a certain point, you need to shut the hell up and just let it sit.
00:29:09.000 Just let it sit.
00:29:10.000 And if Trump starts to bloviate, you should turn to the moderator, you should say, the moderator won't do it, nobody will do it, nobody will tell you the truth to your face because you've spent your entire life buying people off because you're corrupt.
00:29:24.000 But you need to shut up.
00:29:26.000 Because the fact is that until you shut up, you're never gonna learn anything and no one else here is either.
00:29:31.000 You're wasting time, you're wasting space, you're wasting energy, and your platitudes do no one any good.
00:29:36.000 You wanna shout over everybody?
00:29:38.000 You're not gonna be able to shout over the world when it comes to being President of the United States.
00:29:42.000 So for God's sake, please, shut the living hell up.
00:29:48.000 And somebody needs to say it to him, just to his face like that.
00:29:51.000 Just to shut up.
00:29:52.000 Not, not, you need to act like an adult.
00:29:53.000 He's not gonna act like an adult.
00:29:54.000 He's not an adult.
00:29:56.000 Not, you need to be more mature, Donald.
00:29:57.000 I wish that you would learn.
00:29:59.000 No.
00:30:00.000 What you would say to anybody who did this to you in a bar.
00:30:03.000 Okay, because for Trump, this is a bar fight.
00:30:04.000 You can see it's a bar brawl for Trump.
00:30:07.000 The fact that nobody will say to him what's obvious, and Trump would say it to other people, right?
00:30:11.000 He knows it's a bar brawl.
00:30:13.000 You'll see him do the same thing to Jeb here.
00:30:15.000 Here's Jeb versus Donald Trump, and you'll see Jeb tries to take on Trump, and he too misses the mark.
00:30:20.000 Here we go.
00:30:21.000 The weakest person on this stage by far on illegal immigration is Jeb Bush.
00:30:28.000 They come out of an act of love, whether you like it or not.
00:30:32.000 He is so weak on illegal immigration, it's laughable.
00:30:36.000 And everybody knows it.
00:30:38.000 So, you know, this is the standard operating procedure to disparage me.
00:30:43.000 That's fine.
00:30:43.000 I don't really care.
00:30:43.000 Spend a little more money on the commercials.
00:30:45.000 But if you want to talk about weakness,
00:30:48.000 You want to talk about weakness?
00:30:50.000 It's weak to disparage women.
00:30:52.000 It's weak to disparage Hispanics.
00:30:56.000 It's weak to denigrate the disabled.
00:30:59.000 And it's really weak to call John McCain a loser because he was a... I never called him that.
00:31:03.000 That is outrageous.
00:31:04.000 He's an American hero.
00:31:07.000 Okay, and what ends up happening here is Trump ends up shouting over Jeb, too.
00:31:10.000 Now, what Jeb should have done here is when he's- everything he's saying is correct, by the way.
00:31:15.000 And by the way, what Trump was saying about Jeb is also correct, that Jeb is very weak on illegal immigration.
00:31:20.000 What Jeb should have done, and none of these people have the stones to do it, is he should have directly quoted Trump to Trump.
00:31:26.000 He should have said to Donald Trump, Donald Trump, you say that, you know, you just, you do disparage women.
00:31:31.000 Back in the 1980s, you said that women should be treated like blank.
00:31:34.000 And he should have said, he said, pardon my language, women should be treated like, because that's exactly what Trump said back in the 1980s.
00:31:43.000 Right?
00:31:43.000 He should be talking about Trump saying and bragging in his book about his experiences with married women.
00:31:48.000 He should be talking about Trump.
00:31:50.000 What he says about denigrating the disabled is exactly right.
00:31:52.000 He should say, you specifically denigrated a New York Times reporter because that man was disabled.
00:31:58.000 That's what he did.
00:31:58.000 I watched the video and we talked about it on the show.
00:32:01.000 Okay, all of this is good stuff.
00:32:03.000 And when Trump denies it and he says, oh, well, you know, that's just what tough guys do, somebody should say to Trump, look, you've never been tough in your life.
00:32:09.000 You're a coddled baby.
00:32:11.000 Your dad gave you $400 million.
00:32:12.000 Don't pretend that you're some sort of tough guy.
00:32:16.000 You're so tough that you got run out of Atlantic City because you didn't know how to do basic finance.
00:32:21.000 Tough.
00:32:22.000 Tough, has anybody ever challenged you in an interview?
00:32:24.000 Have any of the media members ever challenged you in an interview about your flips-on position?
00:32:29.000 Donald Trump isn't a tough guy.
00:32:31.000 He's a pretend strongman.
00:32:33.000 And again, it was like this all night long.
00:32:36.000 Here is Trump going at it with Jeb on ISIS.
00:32:38.000 More of the same.
00:32:41.000 It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that Russia could be a positive partner in this.
00:32:45.000 They are on the run.
00:32:47.000 They are making, every time we step back, they're on the run.
00:32:49.000 The question that you asked was a really good one about what you would do, what three things would you do.
00:32:54.000 I would restore, the military sequester needs to be reversed.
00:32:59.000 I would have a strategy to destroy ISIS.
00:33:01.000 And I would immediately create a policy of containment
00:33:04.000 Mr. Trump, you're...
00:33:23.000 Mr. Trump, you were mentioned here.
00:33:25.000 You did say you could get along very well with Vladimir Putin.
00:33:28.000 You did at one point say, let Russia take care of ISIS.
00:33:30.000 Don't be a genius.
00:33:30.000 I like him so far, I have to tell you.
00:33:32.000 Let me just tell you this.
00:33:33.000 Jeb is so wrong.
00:33:35.000 Jeb is absolutely so... Just so you understand, you know what that is?
00:33:42.000 That's Jeb's special interests and lobbyists talking.
00:33:45.000 Look, let me just tell you something.
00:33:47.000 Jeb...
00:33:50.000 Jeb is so wrong.
00:33:51.000 You got to fight ISIS first.
00:33:53.000 You fight ISIS first.
00:33:55.000 Right now you have Russia, you have Iran, you have them with Assad, and you have them with Syria.
00:33:59.000 You have to knock out ISIS.
00:34:01.000 They're chopping off heads.
00:34:02.000 These are animals.
00:34:03.000 You have to knock them out.
00:34:04.000 You have to knock them off strong.
00:34:06.000 You decide what to do after.
00:34:07.000 You can't fight two wars at one time.
00:34:10.000 If you listen to him and you listen to some of the folks
00:34:12.000 That I've been listening to.
00:34:14.000 That's why we've been in the Middle East for 15 years and we haven't won anything.
00:34:18.000 We've spent five trillion dollars in the Middle East because of thinking like that.
00:34:23.000 We've spent five... And Lindsey Graham, Lindsey Graham, who backs him, who had zero on his polls.
00:34:28.000 Let me just say something.
00:34:30.000 We've spent... We've spent... We've spent...
00:34:36.000 I only tell the truth, lobbyists.
00:34:39.000 We've spent five trillion dollars all over the middle.
00:34:42.000 We have to rebuild our country.
00:34:43.000 We have to rebuild our infrastructure.
00:34:45.000 You listen to that, you're going to be there for another 50 years.
00:34:48.000 Alright, Governor Bush, please respond.
00:34:50.000 The very basic fact is that Vladimir Putin is not going to be an ally of the United States.
00:34:54.000 The whole world knows this.
00:34:57.000 They're not taking out, they're not even attempting to take out ISIS.
00:35:01.000 They're attacking the troops that we're supporting.
00:35:05.000 We need to create a coalition, Sunni-led coalition, on the ground with our special operators to destroy ISIS and bring about stability.
00:35:11.000 And you can't do that with Assad in power.
00:35:13.000 We're supporting troops that we don't even know who they are.
00:35:16.000 We're supporting troops that we don't even know who they are.
00:35:20.000 We have no idea who they are.
00:35:23.000 This is from a guy who gets his foreign policy from the shows.
00:35:27.000 This is a guy who, thanks to Hillary Clinton, was a great negotiator in Iran.
00:35:32.000 We're living in dangerous times.
00:35:34.000 This is a man who insults his way to the nomination.
00:35:41.000 Gentlemen, let's leave it there so I can ask a question of Senator Cruz, who's also running for president.
00:35:44.000 Okay, we can stop it there.
00:35:46.000 It's just unbelievable by the moderator there, just allowing that sort of nonsense to go on.
00:35:50.000 First of all, Trump is such a... I mean, again, agree with him or disagree with him on this?
00:35:54.000 There's no way to avoid the fact that he's a loudmouth bully.
00:35:57.000 When he comes back at the very end with, Jeb spent $44 million in New Hampshire and came in loud, what does that have to do with anything?
00:36:03.000 What does that have to do with anything?
00:36:05.000 Trump acts as though electoral success means that you're a better person or that what you're saying is correct.
00:36:11.000 Right?
00:36:11.000 Trump is, basically, the proof is in the pudding.
00:36:14.000 I use this example all the time.
00:36:16.000 In Fiddler on the Roof, there's a point at which Tevye is singing, If I Were a Rich Man, and he says that people will come to me and they'll ask me questions that would cross a rabbi's eyes, and it won't make one bit of difference whether I answer right or wrong.
00:36:27.000 When you're rich, they think you really know.
00:36:29.000 Okay, Donald Trump is proof that when you're rich, you think you really know.
00:36:33.000 Hey Donald Trump thinks that he could that because he's but he's like this the poll numbers do he's rich he's never been wrong and he's successful in the polls so he's never been wrong and that
00:36:42.000 Here's Donald Trump about George W. Bush in 9-11.
00:37:08.000 On Monday, George W. Bush will campaign in South Carolina for his brother.
00:37:12.000 As you said tonight, and you've often said, the Iraq war and your opposition to it was a sign of your good judgment.
00:37:17.000 In 2008, in an interview with Wolf Blitzer talking about President W. Bush's conduct of the war, you said you were surprised that Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi didn't try to impeach him.
00:37:27.000 You said, quote, which personally I think would have been a wonderful thing,
00:37:32.000 When you were asked what you meant by that, you said, for the war.
00:37:35.000 For the war.
00:37:35.000 He lied.
00:37:36.000 He got us into the war with lies.
00:37:38.000 Do you still believe President Bush should have been impeached?
00:37:41.000 First of all, I have to say, as a businessman, I get along with everybody.
00:37:44.000 I have business all over the world.
00:37:50.000 I know so many of the people in the audience.
00:37:52.000 And by the way, I'm a self-funder.
00:37:53.000 I don't have.
00:37:54.000 I have my wife and I have my son.
00:37:56.000 That's all I have.
00:37:57.000 I don't have those.
00:38:00.000 Let me just tell you, I get along with everybody, which is my obligation to my company, to myself, etc.
00:38:06.000 Obviously, the war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake, alright?
00:38:12.000 Now, you can take it any way you want, and it took Jeb Bush, if you remember, at the beginning of his announcement, when he announced the President, it took him five days.
00:38:21.000 He went back.
00:38:21.000 It was a mistake.
00:38:22.000 It wasn't a mistake.
00:38:23.000 It took him five days before his people told him what to say, and he ultimately said it was a mistake.
00:38:30.000 The war in Iraq, we spent $2 trillion, thousands of lives.
00:38:34.000 We don't even have it.
00:38:35.000 Iran is taking over Iraq with the second largest oil reserves in the world.
00:38:39.000 Obviously it was a mistake.
00:38:41.000 George Bush made a mistake.
00:38:43.000 We can make mistakes.
00:38:44.000 But that one was a beauty.
00:38:46.000 We should have never been in Iraq.
00:38:48.000 We have destabilized the Middle East.
00:38:51.000 So you still think he should be impeached?
00:38:53.000 I think it's my turn.
00:38:54.000 You do whatever you want.
00:38:55.000 You call it whatever you want.
00:38:56.000 I want to tell you.
00:38:57.000 They lied.
00:38:58.000 They said there were weapons of mass destruction.
00:39:01.000 There were none.
00:39:01.000 And they knew there were none.
00:39:03.000 There were no weapons of mass destruction.
00:39:09.000 When a member on the stage's brother gets attacked, the brother gets to respond.
00:39:13.000 I get to do it five or six times or just once responding to that?
00:39:17.000 So here's the deal.
00:39:19.000 I'm sick and tired of Barack Obama blaming my brother for all of the problems that he's had.
00:39:23.000 And frankly, I could care less about the insults that Donald Trump gives to me.
00:39:32.000 It's blood sport for him, he enjoys it, and I'm glad he's happy about it.
00:39:35.000 But I am sick and tired of him going after my family.
00:39:40.000 My dad is the greatest man alive in my mind.
00:39:45.000 While Donald Trump was building a reality TV show, my brother was building a security apparatus to keep us safe, and I'm proud of what he did.
00:39:57.000 And he's had the gall to go after my mother.
00:39:59.000 He's had the gall to go after my mother.
00:40:01.000 Remember that.
00:40:02.000 Hold on.
00:40:02.000 Let me finish.
00:40:05.000 I just had the gall to go after my mother.
00:40:07.000 That's not keeping us safe.
00:40:07.000 Look, I won the lottery when I was born 63 years ago and looked up and I saw my mom.
00:40:11.000 Mom, my mom is the strongest woman I know.
00:40:13.000 Oh my God.
00:40:14.000 This is not about my family or his.
00:40:15.000 I can't even watch this.
00:40:16.000 Okay, so it's so absurd.
00:40:19.000 It's so absurd.
00:40:19.000 So everything that Trump says there is a lie.
00:40:21.000 Okay, when Trump says that Bush lied us into war, this is a bumper sticker leftist garbage slogan that is provably false.
00:40:29.000 Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton both supported the war in Iraq.
00:40:33.000 They did so specifically because all the intel, all of the available intel said that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction.
00:40:39.000 There were, in fact, chemical weapons found in Iraq.
00:40:42.000 Where do you think Bashar Assad got his stockpiles of WMD?
00:40:45.000 You think they just magically appeared?
00:40:47.000 They were shipped across the border during the Iraq War.
00:40:49.000 In any case, even leaving all of that aside, the idea that Bush lied us into war for political purposes for no reason at all, it's ridiculous on every level.
00:40:57.000 And then for him to say that Bush didn't keep us safe during 9-11?
00:41:00.000 Hey, this is revisionist history of the greatest sort, the 2020 hindsight.
00:41:04.000 So what, did FDR not keep us safe around Pearl Harbor?
00:41:06.000 Is that something Trump wants to go for, too?
00:41:08.000 And then Jeb Bush, the weakness of Jeb Bush.
00:41:10.000 Every time I watch one of these debates, it makes me want to pull my hair out.
00:41:12.000 Because you got Jeb Bush sitting there going, well, he attacked my mommy.
00:41:16.000 He attacked my brother.
00:41:18.000 My dad's the greatest person alive.
00:41:19.000 I'm sorry, Jeb.
00:41:20.000 It turns out that American politics is about more than your bloodlines.
00:41:24.000 The fact that you're defending not your brother's policies, but him as your brother,
00:41:29.000 Or him as your dad?
00:41:30.000 Or your mom?
00:41:31.000 Why do I care about your personal defense of your family members?
00:41:34.000 I'm not interested in that.
00:41:35.000 I'm interested in the future of the country.
00:41:37.000 And I'm interested in the record of the people that Donald Trump is talking about.
00:41:41.000 But Jeb can't even do that.
00:41:43.000 The proper response to Trump saying this is, Donald Trump, you are a far leftist who believes that George W. Bush lied us into war, and you are giving cover to Democrats who purposefully lost the war in Iraq for political gain.
00:41:56.000 That's what you are doing.
00:41:58.000 And you're a disgrace to the military men and women who died in Iraq, and you're a disgrace to the country for doing this routine.
00:42:04.000 Because the fact is, regardless of whether you like the war in Iraq or not, that war was won by 2010 and Barack Obama then purposely lost it.
00:42:11.000 And the fact that you're sitting up here, going after George W. Bush on a Republican stage, in the middle of a Republican nomination process, is astounding.
00:42:19.000 Astounding.
00:42:21.000 And again, you see Trump again drop the, oh, you spent 22 million in Iowa or New Hampshire, wherever it is.
00:42:26.000 You spent lots of money, you didn't get anything in return.
00:42:28.000 As though that makes one damn bit of difference.
00:42:31.000 It's just, it's incredible.
00:42:32.000 Marco Rubio did respond to Donald Trump on this, but again, Rubio, he's such a beta that it doesn't come off of.
00:42:39.000 Here's Marco Rubio going after Trump on this.
00:42:41.000 We're grateful to what he did for this country.
00:42:42.000 How did he keep us safe when the world creates anything?
00:42:48.000 I lost hundreds of friends.
00:42:52.000 The World Trade Center came down during the rain.
00:42:56.000 He kept us safe.
00:42:57.000 That's not safe.
00:42:59.000 That is not safe, Mark.
00:43:00.000 That is not safe.
00:43:02.000 The World Trade Center came down because Bill Clinton didn't kill Osama Bin Laden when he had the chance to kill him.
00:43:07.000 And George Bush... By the way...
00:43:12.000 George Bush had the chance also, and he didn't listen to the advice of his CIA.
00:43:18.000 I don't know how he knows what I said on Univision because he doesn't speak Spanish.
00:43:25.000 And second of all, the other point that I would make...
00:43:38.000 There's everybody else on stage and Trump and... Why are Rubio and Cruz going after each other?
00:43:41.000 Trump's the frontrunner.
00:43:43.000 Trump's gonna pick up this nomination easily.
00:43:44.000 Okay, right now he's 20 points ahead in South Carolina.
00:43:47.000 All of the next states are in the South.
00:43:49.000 Why are Cruz and Rubio going at each other on immigration?
00:43:52.000 It's such a secondary battle at this point.
00:43:54.000 They're acting like Trump isn't the frontrunner, like he's just sort of out there doing nothing.
00:43:58.000 What in the world?
00:43:59.000 Now we're arguing about who can speak Spanish on a national stage?
00:44:02.000 This is the new argument?
00:44:03.000 Who can speak Spanish?
00:44:04.000 Who gives a flying F who can speak Spanish?
00:44:07.000 Why is that relevant to anyone?
00:44:09.000 So this whole thing was just a disaster.
00:44:12.000 It was just... it was... it was a...
00:44:14.000 At a time when the Constitution is this close to being destroyed by Barack Obama through a Supreme Court appointment, the Republicans are arguing about who can speak Spanish better, about how much Jeb Bush spent in New Hampshire, and whether Donald Trump should be able to yell over everybody.
00:44:31.000 It's really a devastating thing.
00:44:33.000 It's really a devastating thing.
00:44:34.000 Ted Cruz, I think, got this right yesterday.
00:44:36.000 He was asked about this, and he said the time for the circus is over.
00:44:40.000 This is clip 19.
00:44:42.000 I don't want to see our liberties taken away.
00:44:44.000 You know, my daughters Caroline and Catherine are seven and five.
00:44:47.000 I don't want to have to look at my daughters and say, the freedoms that America has had for two centuries, you don't get.
00:44:54.000 Because we didn't step up and pull it back.
00:44:56.000 And Justice Scalia's passing, I think, really changes the entire contours of this race.
00:45:01.000 The time for the circus
00:45:03.000 And the reality show is over.
00:45:05.000 This is a serious choice.
00:45:07.000 And we are talking about losing our basic liberties if we get this wrong.
00:45:11.000 And it's why I have so much faith in the people of South Carolina that they value liberty, they value the Constitution.
00:45:18.000 And I'll tell you one final point.
00:45:20.000 Which is, we're also choosing a commander-in-chief.
00:45:22.000 This is a dangerous world.
00:45:24.000 And it doesn't make any sense to appoint someone, to elect someone as commander-in-chief who doesn't understand the nature of our enemies.
00:45:31.000 You know, last night, Donald Trump defended his calling for George W. Bush to be impeached.
00:45:37.000 That is not consistent with the Constitution, and those are the views of the fever swamps of the left.
00:45:44.000 That's where Donald comes from, is the fever swamps of the left.
00:45:47.000 He's supporting John Kerry and saying, let's impeach George W. Bush.
00:45:51.000 That is not a commander-in-chief fit to keep this country safe.
00:45:55.000 And of course, he's exactly right, but I'm not sure it's going to matter.
00:45:58.000 Bill Kristol was on ABC News yesterday and he said that people are eventually going to look at Trump and they're going to say enough is enough with all this bluster and shouting and sloganeering.
00:46:07.000 Here's what Bill Kristol had to say.
00:46:11.000 The time for the circus, I think, is over right now.
00:46:14.000 Does it make the debate on the Republican side somewhat more serious?
00:46:18.000 Help any particular candidate?
00:46:19.000 Yes.
00:46:20.000 Look, there are two things the President does that he does uniquely.
00:46:22.000 He nominates judges and he's Commander-in-Chief.
00:46:25.000 Healthcare, educational policy, tax policy, Congress plays a huge role.
00:46:29.000 I think the presidential debate on the Republican side, the choice will now focus much more on who will put good judges on the Supreme Court, who has the knowledge and the temperament and the background where voters can be confident that they'll get good conservative constitutional judges.
00:46:44.000 And the commander-in-chief issue, which Donald Trump raised squarely last night by saying that George Bush knowingly lied us into the war in Iraq.
00:46:53.000 It's one thing to say the war was a mistake.
00:46:55.000 Knowingly lied us into the war in Iraq?
00:46:57.000 Are Republican primary voters going to accept this?
00:46:59.000 I believe that Donald Trump's candidacy was dealt... I've said this before and I've been wrong, but I really do believe last night could be a moment where finally Republican voters say, enough with the being, you know, engaged, Trump's interesting, he's saying some things I like, he's sticking it to those politicians, and finally maybe people will focus on, can and should he be President of the United States?
00:47:19.000 And I think Republican primary voters will say no.
00:47:22.000 That's a very, very optimistic view.
00:47:24.000 While everybody else battles it out, Trump is already running a general election campaign.
00:47:27.000 The reason that he's pushing the Iraq war stuff is, he said it yesterday, he said it on the Sunday shows, he says, if we don't admit the Iraq war was a problem, we're not going to win the general election.
00:47:36.000 Here's Donald Trump talking about that yesterday.
00:47:39.000 He's wrong, by the way.
00:47:40.000 The idea that if you disown the Iraq war, that you're gonna win the election?
00:48:00.000 is just an enormous fail.
00:48:02.000 It's an enormous fail.
00:48:03.000 The reason that Republicans tend to win elections in general, if they're going to win a presidential election, you only win on security.
00:48:10.000 It's that question, that question alone.
00:48:12.000 Ronald Reagan made people feel safe in 1980, made them feel safe in 1984.
00:48:15.000 H.W.
00:48:16.000 made them feel safe in 1988.
00:48:17.000 He would have made them feel safe in 92, except that Ross Perot was in the race.
00:48:21.000 George W. Bush in 2004 won, won women, and the reason he did is because of the safety issue.
00:48:28.000 The minute you say the Iraq war was a mistake and we don't know how to handle foreign policy, basically, you're toast.
00:48:35.000 But Trump is running a general election campaign and everybody else is just punching at each other underneath him, and none of them know how to take this guy down.
00:48:41.000 And the way that you take Trump down is by calling him out for who he is.
00:48:45.000 And then everything else that he does just reinforces that.
00:48:47.000 When you say, Donald, you're a bloviating bully who's never been told no in his entire life because you were born to a rich family and you're a bratty rich kid who's never been told no.
00:48:55.000 So I'm going to tell you no right now.
00:48:57.000 Shut the hell up.
00:48:59.000 Somebody has to say this.
00:49:00.000 Why does nobody just say, shut the hell up, Donald Trump?
00:49:03.000 And then if he continues to bloviate, you say, look, there's just more evidence.
00:49:06.000 It's just more evidence.
00:49:07.000 No one's ever said no to you.
00:49:07.000 So you don't know how to take no for an answer.
00:49:09.000 Well, guess what?
00:49:11.000 Guess what?
00:49:12.000 That doesn't qualify you to be President of the United States.
00:49:14.000 It qualifies you for an asylum.
00:49:18.000 We've reached beyond the point of normal politics at this point.
00:49:20.000 We have.
00:49:22.000 I've been off the Trump train for a while here.
00:49:24.000 For a long time.
00:49:25.000 For months.
00:49:26.000 But I at least thought that he played a valuable role in the race.
00:49:28.000 I think that time has now passed.
00:49:30.000 I don't think that Donald Trump plays a valuable role in the Republican race any longer.
00:49:33.000 I don't think he's saying things that are important.
00:49:35.000 I think that he is saying things that are highly damaging.
00:49:37.000 I think that what he is doing
00:49:39.000 Has the capacity.
00:49:40.000 I said earlier there are two threats to the American Constitution.
00:49:43.000 One is the Supreme Court.
00:49:45.000 The other is two parties.
00:49:47.000 Not one.
00:49:48.000 Both parties that buy into the idea of the strongman.
00:49:52.000 Donald Trump is the strongman.
00:49:53.000 That's what he is.
00:49:54.000 That's all he is.
00:49:55.000 He has no policies.
00:49:57.000 He has no principles.
00:49:58.000 All Donald Trump is, is the strongman.
00:50:01.000 All Donald Trump knows how to do is destroy his opposition.
00:50:03.000 Here's Donald Trump, for example, talking about Ted Cruz, the guy he hates most in the world at this point.
00:50:08.000 He hates Jabbi, he hates Cruz, and so here he is going after Cruz, saying that Cruz is not biblical.
00:50:14.000 You can't lie and then hold up the Bible, okay?
00:50:17.000 He consistently lies.
00:50:18.000 What he did to Ben Carson was a disgrace.
00:50:20.000 What he did with the voter violation form, which is a fraud, is a disgrace.
00:50:25.000 And you can't do that.
00:50:26.000 You can't hold up all of these values and hold up the Bible and then lie.
00:50:31.000 You can't hold up the Bible and then lie, says the man who says two Corinthians.
00:50:36.000 Says the man who brags about extramarital affairs with women who are married.
00:50:40.000 You can't hold up the Bible and lie.
00:50:42.000 Every time Donald Trump holds up the Bible and he says, this is the most important book in my life, that is a lie.
00:50:48.000 Anybody who believes that Donald Trump is a deeply religious man is either well in the tank or just stupid.
00:50:53.000 Because it's not credible.
00:50:54.000 It's just not credible.
00:50:56.000 There are certain people you know are not religious and Donald Trump is one of them.
00:50:59.000 This is the guy who says he's never repented before God.
00:51:01.000 He said that.
00:51:03.000 He never repents before God.
00:51:04.000 There's not a religious person in America or on the planet who says they've never repented before God.
00:51:09.000 But this is the other danger, right?
00:51:11.000 So the first danger is the Supreme Court.
00:51:12.000 The other is the caudillo, banana republic, we need a strong man mindset of Donald Trump.
00:51:16.000 So people this morning, David French over at National Review, he wrote a piece where he said that Trump is basically just a conventional Democrat.
00:51:23.000 That's all that Donald Trump is.
00:51:24.000 He's a conventional Democrat.
00:51:25.000 He says, Trump doesn't threaten the Republican establishment because he's too conservative or too populist.
00:51:30.000 He threatens the Republican establishment because he belongs in the other party.
00:51:34.000 There's truth to this.
00:51:35.000 I mean, again, he was repeating Michael Moore talking points at a Republican debate.
00:51:40.000 But there's something else happening here.
00:51:43.000 The Democratic Party has never been foreign to the idea of the strongman, the dictator, the great man who's going to fix all your problems.
00:51:49.000 Woodrow Wilson, who's the guy who created the modern progressive Democratic Party, he said in 1906, quote, The president is at liberty both in law and conscience to be as big a man as he can.
00:51:59.000 His capacity will set the limit.
00:52:02.000 He said if the president could garner the support of the public, quote, no single force can withstand him.
00:52:07.000 No combination of forces will easily overpower him.
00:52:10.000 In 1911, Woodrow Wilson, who is elected president the next year, said the whole country says he cannot decipher
00:52:16.000 The methods of its legislation is clamoring for leadership.
00:52:19.000 And a new role, which to many persons seems little less than unconstitutional, is thrust upon our executives.
00:52:24.000 In other words, people don't know how laws get made, people are unhappy with gridlock, so they need a strongman.
00:52:30.000 FDR agreed, so did Lyndon Baines Johnson, so did Barack Obama.
00:52:34.000 The strongman runs the government, and he's what fixes everything.
00:52:38.000 Of course, this is not in line with the Constitution, but this is how Trump thinks, too.
00:52:43.000 This is what Trump is.
00:52:44.000 And every word you see on that debate stage is about Donald Trump and the personal power that he wields.
00:52:50.000 Donald Trump isn't speaking for the country.
00:52:52.000 He's not speaking for you.
00:52:52.000 He's speaking for him.
00:52:54.000 His spokesperson, Corey Lewandowski, said after the debate, Yeah, Jeb got under Donald Trump's skin a little bit because Donald felt like he was being lied about.
00:53:02.000 This isn't about Donald Trump.
00:53:03.000 But for Donald Trump, it is about Donald Trump.
00:53:05.000 Have you ever heard Donald Trump say anything about limits to presidential power?
00:53:09.000 Ever?
00:53:10.000 Donald Trump just tells you he's gonna win for you.
00:53:12.000 As I said last week, no one in government wins for you.
00:53:16.000 All they can do is get government off your back.
00:53:17.000 Okay?
00:53:19.000 This is not about what the government can do for you.
00:53:20.000 This is about what the government can do to you.
00:53:23.000 Because they're the same thing.
00:53:25.000 The government can't do anything for you unless it's also doing something to you.
00:53:28.000 The job of the conservatives is to stop the government from doing things to you.
00:53:32.000 But Donald Trump is the kind of guy who is that strong man.
00:53:36.000 He'll get things done.
00:53:37.000 He'll use his power.
00:53:39.000 If you read about Hugo Chavez, I don't think that there are people out there who say that Trump is like Hitler.
00:53:42.000 I think this is ridiculous.
00:53:44.000 Trump is not like Hitler, obviously.
00:53:46.000 He's much more, if you're going to compare him to a dictator, compare him to Hugo Chavez from Venezuela.
00:53:50.000 Because Hugo Chavez was elected time and time again.
00:53:52.000 He was elected multiple times.
00:53:54.000 In fair elections, many times.
00:53:57.000 In 2010, Hugo Chavez did a speech and he said this, quote, Populism, the strongman sense, it applies to Obama and it also applies to Trump.
00:54:02.000 Hugo Chavez was seen by his opponents as a clown and a bore and just a ridiculous figure.
00:54:05.000 But the fact is that because he kept telling people that he was winning for them,
00:54:26.000 He was able to gain ultimate power and basically destroy the Venezuelan society.
00:54:31.000 I don't think Trump destroys American society, but I think that Trump is a danger to the Constitution.
00:54:35.000 He does not see himself as running for a job.
00:54:37.000 He sees himself as running for the great man.
00:54:40.000 That's what Donald Trump is.
00:54:41.000 That's what Donald Trump is.
00:54:42.000 And so we have two threats to the Constitution from both sides of the aisle.
00:54:46.000 Through the pusillanimity and cowardice of the Republican Party on the Supreme Court nominees, and through the threat of Trump, who has nothing to do with constitutional limits.
00:54:55.000 Okay.
00:54:56.000 Very briefly, because there's so much to get to.
00:54:59.000 We're running super late here.
00:55:01.000 A couple of things that I like.
00:55:03.000 So, over the weekend, my wife and I, on Amazon, rented the movie Spy.
00:55:07.000 I don't know if you guys have seen this movie.
00:55:09.000 It's actually, it's vulgar, you know, it's rated R. Don't get the unrated version because it's just too much, but the rated version, if you can deal with curse words, it's not really about, there's not a lot of sexual humor, it's a lot of curse words.
00:55:22.000 But it's a very funny movie.
00:55:24.000 Particularly Jason Statham,
00:55:25.000 I mean, Hillary is the most qualified candidate in history.
00:55:53.000 At the same time, eh?
00:55:56.000 Yeah, I mean, Hillary has every single thing I want in a president, but... She's no Bernie!
00:56:04.000 ♪ Turn down the light ♪ ♪ Turn down the band ♪ ♪ Turn down these voices inside my head ♪ ♪ Lay down with me ♪
00:56:27.000 I mean, I like Hillary's foreign policy experience, but I love Bernie's whole vibe.
00:56:38.000 Oh, I'm obsessed with his vibe.
00:56:40.000 Because I can't make you love me if you don't.
00:56:45.000 God, Bernie is the best!
00:56:47.000 You can't make your heart feel as a family one.
00:56:52.000 Bernie is changed.
00:56:54.000 Here in the dark.
00:56:58.000 In these final hours.
00:56:59.000 I will lay down my arms.
00:57:04.000 And I'll feel the power.
00:57:09.000 I like when Bernie yells.
00:57:12.000 But not when Hillary does.
00:57:16.000 Okay, so the whole bit is Hillary Clinton in a dining establishment with all these people saying how much they like Bernie.
00:57:21.000 What's amazing, though, is that even things where they're making fun of Hillary, what are the actual lines these people are saying about Hillary?
00:57:27.000 She's the most qualified president in history.
00:57:29.000 Her foreign policy, I love it.
00:57:30.000 Like, they're supposed to be saying, they should be saying, you know, Hillary's just, eh, she's terrible on everything, I can't stand her.
00:57:36.000 And then she says, I can't make you love me, but they can't even go that far.
00:57:39.000 All right, so SNL playing softball with Hillary Clinton, even when they're supposedly mocking her.
00:57:44.000 A couple of things I hate, aside from everything today.
00:57:46.000 Everything in the world.
00:57:47.000 All the things.
00:57:48.000 There are no things I don't hate.
00:57:50.000 Everything is terrible.
00:57:51.000 So aside from all the things, there is a... The greatest site in history, as Drew has mentioned, is everydayfeminism.com.
00:58:00.000 If you ever want to see unintentional comedy at work, everydayfeminism.com is where it's at.
00:58:06.000 And there's a piece today saying that people have to stop being sanest.
00:58:11.000 You know, like sexist or racist, sanest.
00:58:14.000 So you have to stop discriminating in favor of the sane.
00:58:17.000 Really.
00:58:17.000 This is written by Captain Glittertoes.
00:58:21.000 Captain Glittertoes.
00:58:22.000 To my former therapist, here's what it really means to support my gender identity.
00:58:27.000 He says, this letter is pretty self-explanatory, but I want to give you a brief introduction.
00:58:31.000 I had been seeing this therapist on and off for six years.
00:58:33.000 It was only after we stopped seeing each other, mostly for reasons unrelated to the content of this letter, that I realized the full extent of what had happened in that office in terms of my gender.
00:58:42.000 So here is the letter.
00:58:44.000 Dear former therapist, I have realized in the past two weeks there is something more I need to say to you.
00:58:48.000 Feeling both anger and loss, caring about and valuing much of our therapeutic time together, while realizing how you hurt and utterly failed me in this way.
00:58:57.000 It isn't an easy combination of feelings.
00:58:59.000 When someone has given so much and deprived me of something so important, the emotions are not easy to navigate.
00:59:04.000 They say, I talked with you in one of our sessions a few months ago about my doubts and worries about us working together.
00:59:09.000 I told you you had shot me down years ago when I had first brought up questioning my gender to you.
00:59:14.000 What I didn't do then is remind you what you had said to me.
00:59:16.000 I don't remember every detail, but I do remember the traumatizing part.
00:59:19.000 I remember that back in what must have been our first or second session, you asked if I wanted a penis.
00:59:25.000 Uncomfortable and confused as to whether this was the only measure of transness, I said I didn't think so.
00:59:31.000 Shortly afterwards, I think you must have concluded I wasn't trans, or I must have concluded I didn't want to repeat that uncomfortable conversation because we stopped talking about it for a while.
00:59:40.000 You said I wasn't trans, but you're so feminine, you said.
00:59:43.000 That was especially hurtful given my current gender identity.
00:59:46.000 I don't identify with the word feminine, but me having some characteristics that get categorized that way doesn't mean that I'm a woman.
00:59:57.000 All of your genetics are a woman.
00:59:59.000 You think like a woman, apparently.
01:00:02.000 You are feminine.
01:00:05.000 What?
01:00:07.000 So it's, at the beginning it says content warning, cysism, transphobia in therapy, sanism, and suicidal ideation.
01:00:18.000 Sanism.
01:00:18.000 So this is a thing now, sanism.
01:00:19.000 How dare anybody imply that sanity is better than insanity?
01:00:23.000 I'm reading this book right now about, it's called The Insanity Offense, and it's all about how mental illness has been improperly treated in the country.
01:00:31.000 There's a book apparently by a guy named Thomas Zaz back in 1961 that really impacted how people think of the mentally ill.
01:00:37.000 His premise was there's no such thing as mental illness.
01:00:39.000 There's just society failing to understand that we have to let a thousand flowers bloom.
01:00:44.000 That's where we are now.
01:00:46.000 That is how far we've come.
01:00:49.000 Okay, final, final, final thing that I hate.
01:00:51.000 Okay, let's do this.
01:00:53.000 Should we do Joy Read or this MSNBC guest?
01:00:55.000 I don't know.
01:00:56.000 I can't choose.
01:00:58.000 MSNBC guest.
01:00:59.000 We'll do the MSNBC guest.
01:01:01.000 Here we go.
01:01:01.000 This is a guy on MSNBC explaining why black people are disproportionately impoverished.
01:01:06.000 Black people are not poor by accident or by some kind of quirk of history.
01:01:10.000 We were placed in slavery, developed the wealth of this country, denied access to the G.I.
01:01:15.000 Bill benefits, and so there's an intentionality of the current black situation.
01:01:20.000 We have to be equally intentional to address it.
01:01:23.000 Oh, we need something intentional to address the intentionality of the current black situation.
01:01:28.000 Okay, the last thing that he mentioned in terms of time there was the G.I.
01:01:31.000 Bill. 1946.
01:01:33.000 Okay, it's been 70 years.
01:01:35.000 At a certain point, you may want to look at the actual metrics of black success in the United States, which were increasing dramatically up until welfare, and then immediately plunged.
01:01:44.000 Immediately.
01:01:45.000 But don't worry, poverty can be blamed entirely on the intentionality of evil American society, not on the intentionality of people taking acts today.
01:01:53.000 No, by the way, nobody is poor in the inner city today.
01:01:55.000 Not a young person my age.
01:01:56.000 Nobody's poor in the inner city today because they were denied benefits under the GI Bill.
01:02:00.000 There's gonna be another 50 years until they were born.
01:02:03.000 40 years until they were born.
01:02:04.000 So that one's kind of weak.
01:02:05.000 Okay, I lied.
01:02:06.000 Joy Raid, we'll just do that and finish there.
01:02:08.000 Joy Raid...
01:02:12.000 Well, the reality of it is, is this idea of the separation of church and state is a myth.
01:02:21.000 I mean, you bring your faith into the marketplace just like you do anything else, and so Ted Cruz is a
01:02:28.000 We'll be a president, not just, you know, who is a preacher or pastor in the White House.
01:02:32.000 That's not the idea.
01:02:34.000 But I believe that all people, all Americans can rally around Ted Cruz because he upholds the Constitution.
01:02:40.000 I believe all Americans want to truly uphold the law.
01:02:44.000 Well, let me just push back on you a little bit, because the separation of church and state is, in fact, not a myth.
01:02:48.000 It's actually a constitutional fact.
01:02:50.000 Like, it's a fact on the ground.
01:02:51.000 It's a part of our constitutional makeup.
01:02:53.000 The founding fathers were very explicit that they did not want to have a national church.
01:02:58.000 So, can a candidate like Ted Cruz run on essentially saying he would ignore that part of the Constitution if you're saying he's a president who would actually run on the Constitution?
01:03:08.000 Okay, we can pause it there.
01:03:09.000 That's the important part.
01:03:10.000 Leftists are so stupid.
01:03:12.000 They are so deeply stupid.
01:03:13.000 People like Joy Reid.
01:03:14.000 Okay, the First Amendment to the Constitution says that Congress shall pass no law infringing on freedom of religion.
01:03:22.000 Right, that's the idea.
01:03:23.000 And the idea is there are two separate things, right?
01:03:26.000 It shall establish no religion, and there shall be no infringement on freedom of religion, right?
01:03:30.000 This is the way that the First Amendment is phrased.
01:03:33.000 Okay, and these are to be read together.
01:03:35.000 The idea is that the reason that the government can't establish a religion
01:03:38.000 Is because if it established, say, Catholicism as the national church of the United States, it would end up cracking down on all other churches in the United States.
01:03:45.000 Separation of church and state doesn't mean that a politician can't find his values springing from the Bible.
01:03:50.000 And it's amazing.
01:03:51.000 The left are such liars.
01:03:52.000 I mean, when Barack Obama is citing the least of these, right?
01:03:56.000 The least of these.
01:03:57.000 It's the only thing.
01:03:57.000 He doesn't know the rest of the phrase.
01:03:58.000 He doesn't know the rest of the verse.
01:03:59.000 He doesn't know the rest of the Bible.
01:04:01.000 He doesn't know how many books there are in the Bible.
01:04:03.000 The last thing he heard about the Bible was from Jeremiah Wright.
01:04:05.000 When he speaks at a Charleston church and talks about religion, then he's great.
01:04:08.000 When John Kasich cites God to promote welfare, then all of a sudden he's wonderful.
01:04:13.000 But they say separation of church and state is a constitutional fact.
01:04:17.000 No, it actually isn't in the way that you're reading it.
01:04:20.000 Non-establishment of religion doesn't mean that we all have to be atheists when it comes to our legislation.
01:04:25.000 That's stupidity.
01:04:26.000 But those are the people they want to appoint to the court.
01:04:29.000 The kind of people who say that it would be a violation of church and state, for example, for churches to tell people how to vote.
01:04:36.000 Churches can tell people how to vote.
01:04:37.000 There's nothing wrong with that.
01:04:39.000 In fact, one of the stupidest things about 501c3 law, as it currently stands, is telling rabbis and priests and pastors that they can't have impact on political matters.
01:04:48.000 That's half of what religion is.
01:04:50.000 At least half.
01:04:50.000 Probably 90% of what religion is, is telling people about the values they should hold beyond the church walls.
01:04:56.000 This is what the left actually thinks of the Constitution, and it's quite devastating.
01:04:59.000 So, it's a dark day for America.
01:05:01.000 It really is.
01:05:01.000 We're in a dark place.
01:05:03.000 However,
01:05:04.000 Hold fast to those conservative principles, and I do think that there is a way to come back.
01:05:09.000 I think it's a long road.
01:05:10.000 I don't think this is a short road.
01:05:11.000 I don't think we're one minute away from saving the country.
01:05:14.000 I think that not only are we going to have to force the Republicans' feet to the fire to hold fast against President Obama or Hillary or anybody who appoints leftist judges to the Supreme Court, we're going to have to go further than that.
01:05:24.000 We're going to have to start preparing for the day when states start forcibly resisting.
01:05:29.000 I do think this is going to happen.
01:05:31.000 Forcibly resisting federal mandates that are unconstitutional.
01:05:34.000 Because there will come a time when the federal government passes a law that cracks down on the rights of citizens, and state governors are going to have to say, you do not step past this line.
01:05:44.000 If you step past this line, there will be resistance.
01:05:47.000 Because somebody is going to have to do this.
01:05:49.000 There's still people in this country who take their rights seriously.
01:05:51.000 And the longer this goes, the bigger government gets, the greater that conflict appears in that rearview mirror.
01:05:57.000 And things are already closer than they appear.
01:05:59.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
01:06:00.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.