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00:00:00.000I'm Keith Olbermann, and this is The Resistance.
00:00:03.000Yesterday, we received a magnificent present, a present so large, so impressive, so monumental, as to boggle the mind and set the heart aflutter.
00:00:12.000Yes, my friends, we are well on our way to seeing the usurper Trump brought low, to seeing the restoration of this republic, to seeing, I think, the greatest collapse
00:00:22.000Because, you see, Special Counsel Robert Mueller has uncovered a scandal the likes of which make Watergate seem like child's play.
00:00:30.000This evidence shows that Donald J. Trump is more dangerous than Hitler, more dangerous than Stalin, more dangerous than that mobile pet spa that somehow used the wrong shampoo on my cat Fluffy, leaving her less cuddly than usual and reducing me to a quivering ball of humanity lying prone in my own tears and urine.
00:00:49.000Now, you may say that Mueller's indictment of Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager, says nothing about Trump or his campaign, but you do not have the depth of intellect that earned me entrance to the prestigious Cornell College of Agriculture and Life Sciences.
00:01:03.000You do not have the nuance to understand that Mueller just put the final nail into Trump's political grave.
00:01:35.000You, sir, are the kind of human being for whom decency means nothing and for whom the world is merely a whorehouse of refuse and trash that somehow turns me on and yet simultaneously repulses me.
00:01:48.000Suffice it to say, Donald J. Trump is on his way out.
00:03:12.000Plus, I want to talk a little bit at length about this insane ad that I mentioned yesterday from a Latino victory caucus in Virginia against Ed Gillespie, the Republican candidate for Virginia governor.
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00:04:45.000I mean, this is really an egregious ad.
00:04:47.000So, for those who can't see, you're about to see a bunch of minority children who are running away from a truck that has on it a Confederate flag, a Don't Tread on Me license plate, and an Ed Gillespie bumper sticker because the truck is going to run them over because it's a white supremacist seeking to kill minority children.
00:05:19.000So a Latino kid stops, and then he sees an Asian kid, and then both of them start running because here comes that truck again.
00:05:24.000He's got an Ed Gillespie bumper sticker on it.
00:05:33.000And every racially diverse child in Virginia is on this block.
00:05:38.000And here they're all running away from the truck.
00:05:42.000And oh no, they've run into a dead end.
00:05:48.000Suddenly it's night, and the headlights come up, and all the kids wake up from their terrible dream.
00:05:54.000Is this what Donald Trump and Ed Gillespie mean?
00:05:56.000And then it's a picture of the parents watching the Charlottesville hate rally, and it says, reject hate vote November 7th.
00:06:05.000And it's paid for by the Latino Victory Fund.
00:06:08.000It's not authorized by the candidate, but obviously the candidate did not condemn it.
00:06:11.000The reason that I'm playing this ad again is because it really does speak to the insanity that has now engulfed huge parts of the left.
00:06:17.000You know, the great conflicts in American history have largely been driven not just by political differences, but by the feeling that those political differences are not
00:06:28.000We are unable to overcome those political differences, that we hate each other, right?
00:06:31.000The actual hate in this ad is not from Ed Gillespie, right?
00:06:34.000The actual hate in this ad is from this Latino Victory Fund.
00:06:37.000It's from the campaign for Ralph Northam, who actually, you know, if he didn't give the go-ahead to the ad, which would have been illegal, he obviously hasn't condemned the ad.
00:06:44.000And there was another mailer that actually went out from the Northam campaign, endorsed by the Northam campaign, linking again Ed Gillespie to what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.
00:06:55.000When I read Federalist One yesterday, and I talked about how Alexander Hamilton had specifically cited the idea that in politics, you have to assume the best intentions on the part of your opponent if you want to convince them.
00:07:06.000We're no longer in the age of convincing.
00:07:08.000We're now in the age of getting out your base.
00:07:10.000And I think that that's a political truism.
00:07:12.000I think that people missed that in 2012.
00:07:24.000is to essentially say that your opponent is evil and horrible and nasty and terrible.
00:07:29.000But if you do this too much, if you rely on this tactic too much, you actually end up telling Americans that the people that they live with in their same community are evil, horrible, nasty, brutish people.
00:07:38.000And if you do that, it's very hard to put the country back together again.
00:07:42.000Because I can have conversations with people with whom I disagree.
00:08:12.000You're going to have all of these various minority groups and they're all running away from the evil white majority that is chasing them down on streets.
00:08:20.000And that's not the only evidence that we have of that over the last 24 hours.
00:08:24.000Elliot Hamilton, reporter for Daily Wire, he got a hold of an email that was issued by a woman apparently named Madelaine Leader.
00:08:31.000She is the head of data services for the technology department at the DNC, and she wrote this letter.
00:08:37.000She was trying to search people out for jobs.
00:08:39.000She said, And then she listed a bunch of positions.
00:08:47.000And then she says, as you may have heard, we are rebuilding the technology team into a robust, well-oiled machine that can tackle all elections, from the presidential down to dog catcher and school board.
00:08:56.000What's more important is that we are focused on hiring and maintaining a staff of diverse voices and life experiences, something that we desperately need if we hope to secure the future of our country.
00:09:04.000So they're not just trying to hire a data science lead, or a full stack engineer, or a product designer.
00:09:10.000They're trying to hire a staff of diverse voices and life experiences, because you know when your computer crashes, what you really need is somebody coming in
00:09:17.000And explaining to you how they grew up poor in inner city.
00:09:21.000I know when my computer crashes, the first thing I do when I call our IT guy is I say to him, please tell me the story of your life and how your diverse experiences have led you to the point where you can fix my Mac.
00:09:32.000No, that's not how any of this works, but that's not even the bad part.
00:09:34.000Here's what the email apparently says, according to Madeleine Leder, again, the Democratic National Committee data service manager, who gave a no comment to Daily Wire when we asked her about it.
00:09:43.000She said, Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns and feel free to forward on to your contact.
00:09:48.000I personally would prefer that you not forward to cisgender straight white males since they're already in the majority.
00:09:55.000She says straight out in the email that she doesn't want this email forwarded to people who happen to be straight and white because they're already in the majority.
00:10:03.000It's that same sort of intersectional logic that leads to the idea that we can gauge your value as a human being.
00:10:08.000We can gauge your worthiness in the workplace by your color, by your life experiences, as opposed to by the quality of work you do or by the kind of activity in which you take place.
00:10:17.000Again, the slander in that Latino victory ad, the slander that everyone who flies a Confederate flag is trying to run down black children.
00:10:24.000I mean, there are legitimately hundreds of thousands of Americans who are not doing that and have Confederate flags.
00:10:29.000The idea that everyone who's voting for Ed Gillespie sides with the Charlottesville hate protesters.
00:10:33.000The idea that anyone who has a don't tread on me on the front of their car, that that person is trying to run down some poor Muslim child on the streets of Alexandria.
00:10:43.000But again, it comes from the same intersectional place that this white majority is inevitably imbued with a nasty, horrible racism that cannot be fixed.
00:10:51.000And as long as we think that, as long as the left keeps doing that, they're going to get pushback from the other side.
00:10:57.000You want to know one of the reasons why Trump won?
00:10:59.000One of the reasons why Trump won is because Americans got sick and tired of being told that they were the types of people who are trying to drive people down.
00:11:06.000And Hillary's deplorable lines was the worst thing she could have said during that campaign, because when she said deplorables, she may have been referring to the alt-right, but instead she painted with a broad brush that half of all Trump supporters were members of the alt-right.
00:11:37.000And that's why I think what happens in the Manafort indictment or the Papadopoulos situation, all of that is going to have bearing on how Trump thinks.
00:11:54.000I actually don't think that Mueller is going to be able to make a case against President Trump.
00:11:59.000I think the worst case scenario for President Trump is this ends up looking a lot like a Ron Contra, where the guy at the top is basically let off the hook and some underlings go down.
00:12:06.000But with all of that said, Trump could be convinced to fire Robert Mueller and really create a political firestorm for himself by people whispering into his ear that everyone is out to get him.
00:12:16.000I'm going to explain all of that in just a second, plus what
00:12:19.000Tony Podesta and Hillary Clinton and everybody else have to do with this.
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00:13:33.000To recap, in very brief terms, yesterday's news, there are basically two big pieces of news.
00:13:37.000First was Trump former campaign chair, Paul Manafort, who was in charge of the campaign for something like five months.
00:13:42.000Paul Manafort was indicted on 12 counts.
00:13:45.000Virtually all of them had nothing to do, well, all of them had nothing to do with Trump.
00:13:48.000And the vast majority of them had nothing to do with even the period in which Manafort was working for Trump.
00:13:53.000And the White House essentially said as much.
00:13:55.000Here's Sarah Huckabee Sanders saying that yesterday.
00:13:58.000But look, today's announcement has nothing to do with the president, has nothing to do with the president's campaign or campaign activity.
00:14:05.000The real collusion scandal, as we've said several times before, has everything to do with the Clinton campaign, Fusion GPS and Russia.
00:14:12.000Okay, and she, of course, is at least partially correct.
00:14:15.000The idea that the only scandal here is Fusion GPS and Russia is not true.
00:14:19.000Okay, the fact is that there is some other material, the Donald Trump Jr.
00:14:22.000letters, the George Papadopoulos stuff, that is troubling.
00:14:25.000So the Trump campaign, and the Trump White House more specifically, is doing what they're supposed to do, right?
00:14:30.000They're saying George Papadopoulos was a low-level staffer who had nothing to do with anything.
00:14:33.000He was really not in charge of anything in the campaign.
00:14:36.000And so they're now minimizing his presence in the campaign, just as they did with Carter Page, who's also a former policy advisor with connections to the Russians.
00:14:47.000And again, no activity was ever done in an official capacity on behalf of the campaign in that regard.
00:14:55.000What about the outreach that he was making to campaign officials to try to
00:14:59.000How can you describe Mr. Papadopoulos as having a limited role when there's a photograph of Mr. Papadopoulos sitting at a table with then candidate Trump at a national security meeting?
00:15:21.000Again, the idea that Trump was sitting there trying to direct from the top George Papadopoulos seems kind of ridiculous.
00:15:26.000Here's the problem with regard to Papadopoulos.
00:15:28.000So basically, to recap, Papadopoulos was making some sort of entrees to the professor, right?
00:15:35.000Not the guy from Gilligan's Island, a professor who's located in London who apparently had connections with the Russian government and was trying to fix up the Trump campaign with the Russians.
00:15:43.000And Papadopoulos was trying to make this happen.
00:15:45.000The Russians also told him they had access to thousands of Hillary emails, or thousands of emails more specifically, and they said also that they had dirt on Hillary Clinton.
00:15:53.000Papadopoulos apparently tried to pass this up the chain and this was shut down.
00:15:56.000It's now coming out that some of the people he talked to included Paul Manafort.
00:16:01.000Basically, he was going to be indicted on charges of lying to the FBI about the extent to which he had been working with the Trump campaign while he was making these connections.
00:16:10.000And instead, he pled guilty in order so that he could basically get out of it.
00:16:15.000There's some rumors today that Papadopoulos may have been wearing a wire, that the federal government turned him, and that he was wearing a wire in context of all the other Trump officials.
00:16:36.000released himself on Twitter, where he basically said that he was willing to hear the Russians out about their own Hillary.
00:16:41.000And again, Huckabee Sanders and the rest of the Trump team, they're not wrong to say that Hillary Clinton was willing to do the same thing in that Fusion GPS dossier.
00:16:49.000So, in the end, I don't think any of this really touches Trump.
00:16:53.000I don't think this reaches all the way to the top.
00:16:56.000Manafort's lawyer is saying also there's no evidence of collusion, and he's right.
00:17:00.000I mean, the indictment doesn't contain any evidence of collusion between Manafort and the Russians with regards to the campaign specifically.
00:17:05.000There's no evidence that Mr. Manafort or the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government.
00:17:12.000Mr. Manafort represented pro-European Union campaigns for the Ukrainian.
00:17:22.000And in that, he was seeking to further democracy and to help the Ukraine come closer to the United States and the EU.
00:17:30.000Okay, so, you know, again, I think there's a bit of a benevolent spin on what Manafort was doing, but the evidence simply is not there.
00:17:37.000Trump's own lawyer, Ray J. Sekulow, he's saying that Trump is not interested in firing Mueller.
00:17:41.000The only thing that can damage Trump, in my opinion, here.
00:17:44.000The only thing that will really hurt him is if he fires Mueller.
00:17:47.000There are two things that Trump can do that will start a political firestorm in the midst of all of this.
00:17:51.000One of them I think would be justifiable, one I think would be unjustifiable.
00:17:54.000The thing that he could do that would be justifiable is to tell his Attorney General to open up a special counsel investigation into Hillary Clinton and Fusion GPS to see if there was actual collusion taking place.
00:18:05.000Eli Lake has a really good piece over at Bloomberg View in which he talks about the fact that because Hillary basically used lawyers as go-betweens, and she has both plausible deniability as well as a chain of payment, and it wasn't like a gift from the Russian government, because of that, there may not be any laws violated, but certainly an investigation would be a worthwhile thing.
00:18:25.000It would look like he's trying to misdirect from the Mueller episode.
00:18:28.000I'm not sure it'd be politically smart, even though it'd rev his base up, for sure.
00:18:32.000On the other hand, one he could do that could really hurt him is firing Mueller.
00:18:35.000If he fires Mueller, based on suspicion that Mueller is going to do something, it will look more like a cover-up than like a legitimate exercise of presidential power, even though he does have the power as President of the United States to fire the special counsel.
00:19:05.000Now special counsels can be fired by the president.
00:19:07.000But, if Trump were to fire the special counsel, and if he were to do so on the basis that the special counsel was looking at his family finances, for example, which he has said he doesn't want Mueller to do, or if he were to fire Mueller on the basis that Mueller is going too far into his investigations of Trump personally, it would look like a cover-up, and it would create not a constitutional crisis, because it would be constitutional, but it would create a political crisis for Trump,
00:19:30.000It'll create the appearance that he's firing Mueller in order to avoid being convicted of something.
00:19:35.000In order to avoid being investigated, in order to protect his family members.
00:19:39.000And there are people encouraging him to do this.
00:19:40.000So Trump's lawyer, Jay Sekulow, is doing the right thing here.
00:19:42.000He's saying, I don't think Trump is going to fire Mueller and he has no intention of doing so.
00:19:46.000No, you know, I saw a couple people talking about that this morning and the answer to that is no.
00:19:52.000The president is not interfering with the special counsel Mueller's position.
00:20:02.000I don't think that anybody is surprised that an indictment came down today or that there was this plea because we expected this indictment.
00:20:10.000I mean, I think I've been on your broadcast talking about this a couple months back.
00:20:13.000Now, all of that that he says there is exactly correct.
00:20:15.000John Kelly, Trump's chief of staff, he says the same thing.
00:20:18.000He says, let the indictments work, let's see where the legal system works, and let the system do what it's supposed to do.
00:20:23.000All of the activities, as I understand it, that they were indicted for were long before they ever met Donald Trump or had any association with the campaign.
00:20:32.000But I think the reaction of the administration is, let the legal justice system work.
00:20:37.000Everyone's innocent until—resumed innocent, and we'll see where it goes.
00:20:41.000Okay, and that exactly would be the right thing to do, right?
00:20:43.000You should just let this thing roll out.
00:20:45.000Unfortunately, I think that there are forces on the left and forces on the right that are basically trying to troll Trump into firing Mueller.
00:20:51.000Because once he fires Mueller, then there is going to be an accusation that he fired him for the same reason that he supposedly fired Comey, because Comey was getting too close.
00:20:58.000Now, as I said all along, I think the real reason that Trump fired Comey is he wanted Comey to come out publicly and exonerate Trump.
00:21:04.000Comey wasn't willing to do that because Comey said, if I exonerate you now and then you come under investigation later, then I'm gonna have to say so.
00:21:10.000And Trump didn't like that, so he fired Comey.
00:21:12.000Well, the same thing could easily happen with Mueller, where he goes to Mueller and he says, listen, I want you to exonerate me.
00:21:21.000If that happens, it will look like a cover-up of epic proportions, and it will lead the Democrats not only to try and impeach him if they gain control of the House in 2018, but it'll put Republicans in a tough spot, too, because it will look a lot more like the Saturday Night Massacre under Richard Nixon than it'll look like him just firing somebody who deserves to be fired.
00:21:38.000As I said, there are people on both right and left who are trying to troll him into this.
00:21:41.000Steve Bannon apparently is trying to troll Trump into firing Robert Mueller.
00:21:46.000That's because Bannon has more balls than brains.
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00:23:23.000Okay, so as I say, there are some folks on the right who are trying to tell Trump to fire Mueller, and there are some folks on the left who are trying to tell Trump to fire Mueller.
00:23:30.000I think that some people on the right who are trying to tell Trump to fire Mueller are trying to get in good with Trump.
00:23:35.000They understand that the easiest way to earn Trump's respect and his good grace is to suggest to Trump that he has ultimate power, right, like Jafar at the end of Aladdin.
00:23:48.000The problem is that people like Bannon who are telling Trump, obstruct Mueller, don't give him any documents, try to stop him because he's out of control.
00:23:55.000You do that, it's going to come out, it's going to look like you're trying to obstruct, and then you have a political problem on your hands.
00:24:00.000Whereas you just say, listen, my doors are wide open.
00:24:15.000You know, Laura Ingraham said this last night.
00:24:16.000She said that if Mueller had anything on Trump, he would have hit with that first.
00:24:20.000I think that that may or may not be true, but I don't see, based on the Manafort indictment, unless it's just an attempt to get Manafort to flip,
00:24:28.000I have always thought that if there was any sort of collusion inside the Trump campaign, it wasn't because Trump was sitting atop the campaign directing it.
00:24:35.000It was because Trump had said, I want to be closer to the Russians.
00:24:44.000What if we just go to Putin and help Trump take out Hillary?
00:24:47.000It seems to me that this could very easily be a case of Henry II, well, no one rid me of this meddlesome priest.
00:24:53.000And that would be the easiest answer here, but that would not necessarily be the actually, that wouldn't actually be Trump directing this from above.
00:25:01.000Again, I think both the right and the left, though, are trying to kind of push Trump into using that gun that's over the mantelpiece.
00:25:07.000You know, there's this old rule in drama.
00:25:08.000It's a rule from Chekhov, the playwright Chekhov, that when you put a gun over the mantelpiece in the first act, it must be used by the end of the second act.
00:25:15.000Well, the gun over the mantelpiece is firing Mueller, and I have a feeling that Trump is going to be tempted to do it just because that's what Trump has been tempted to do.
00:25:23.000Again, the only audacious move he's made as president, really, is firing Comey, which blew back on him, which should be a good example not to do this.
00:25:29.000Leon Panetta, obviously a man of the left, he says that more indictments are coming.
00:25:32.000Again, Democrats are going to keep saying this and keep saying this, hoping they can trip Trump into firing Mueller so that then they can go after him on that basis, as opposed to the actual underlying supposed crime.
00:25:42.000What these indictments may indicate is that as a result of it, there will be other trails of evidence that will be followed by Bob Mueller.
00:25:55.000And I think there's probably a very good bet that additional indictments will be forthcoming and could involve members of both parties.
00:26:03.000Okay, well, I think that that last point is the really important one.
00:26:08.000One of the people who was basically called on the carpet, or is going to be called on the carpet, is Tony Podesta.
00:26:13.000Tony Podesta is the brother of John Podesta.
00:26:47.000Trump's best move here is to hold his fire.
00:26:49.000Unfortunately, Steve Bannon, being more balls than brains, is telling him not to do that.
00:26:52.000Bannon apparently, according to the Daily Beast, spoke on the phone with Trump on Monday, offered a message, get yourself some new lawyers.
00:26:57.000Now listen, I know Bannon pretty well.
00:26:59.000I was on a phone call with him twice a day, for an hour a day, for an hour a call, for two years.
00:27:10.000This is not a situation where the honey badger is going to be successful, because the fact is, the more you dig in here, the more the Democrats actually have something to play with.
00:27:18.000According to the Daily Beast, the former White House chief strategist has grown increasingly concerned the president's legal team is falling down on the job, proving too accommodating to Robert Mueller, leaving Trump vulnerable as former campaign aides are handed indictments.
00:27:45.000Apparently two sources inside and outside the White House with knowledge of a conversation between Trump and Bannon told the Daily Beast Bannon advised Trump not to demote Dowd and Cobb but to bring in new lawyers to work over them in the hopes that fresh blood would bring an order and ruthlessness to Trump's legal team that Bannon sees as desperately incompetent.
00:28:02.000Doubt and Cobb have both said that they should cooperate with the Mueller investigation, and both Cobb and Doubt have had their problems.
00:28:09.000But the idea that you're going to fix this by basically stonewalling is the biggest mistake that you can make.
00:28:13.000Stonewalling here, again, if Trump is really innocent, I think that stonewalling is probably the worst thing that he can do.
00:28:21.000And I'll give you an example of this, right?
00:28:26.000And he is talked about by Tucker Carlson on Fox News.
00:28:29.000Well, Venable, which is a very, very good national law firm, they sent a letter to Tucker Carlson and they basically threatened Tucker Carlson to stop talking about this.
00:28:37.000Is it going to help Tony Podesta to do this?
00:28:44.000He's a lawyer with Venable LLP, a big law firm here in D.C.
00:28:48.000The letter demands that this show, quote, immediately cease and desist disseminating false and misleading reports about Mr. Podesta and the Podesta Group.
00:28:57.000It demands we retract and delete all our prior reporting on the Podesta Group and warns that if we don't do this, quote, Mr. Podesta may pursue legal action, including for damages, in order to fully protect his rights.
00:29:10.000The letter doesn't stop there, though.
00:29:11.000It also warns us that we will face legal action under the Copyright Act merely for quoting from this letter publicly, as we just did.
00:29:20.000The most amusing line, though, is this one.
00:29:22.000Quote, Paul Manafort did not work with the Podesta Group in its representation of the European Center for a Modern Ukraine.
00:29:29.000That's what the lawyer's letters told us.
00:29:31.000Apparently that lawyer hasn't read the Manafort indictment yet.
00:29:34.000In paragraph 22 of that indictment, we read this, quote, at the direction of Manafort and Gates, companies A and B engaged in extensive lobbying on Ukraine.
00:29:45.000The indictment also says that the Podesta Group and Mercury were selected personally by Paul Manafort to lobby on behalf of Ukrainian interests.
00:29:54.000So stonewalling, in other words, is the worst thing that you can do here because if you stonewall, it's just going to lead to more information being disseminated like Tucker Carlson did correctly last night on his program.
00:30:05.000The way that Trump should play this, the way that Trump should play this, first of all, let me just say this.
00:30:09.000The person who is most in agreement with me on this is Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard Law professor, who I actually had at Harvard Law, and he says that he doesn't think that Mueller is going to quote-unquote get Trump.
00:30:19.000His indictment has everything to do with Trump.
00:30:22.000They never would have indicted him for money laundering or tax evasion if he weren't somebody who they thought could turn on Trump, could provide information and evidence.
00:30:31.000If not Trump, somebody higher up in the chain between Manafort and Trump.
00:31:06.000That's that's sort of the best thing he can do, especially because, as I'm about to explain,
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00:32:56.000Donald Trump, even if you like him, even if you think he's a well-motivated man, he is not a sophisticated player in this space.
00:33:02.000The lie that he was going to come in and clean everything up because he was just so sophisticated business player, knew the ins and outs, had bribed people, all this, it's just not true.
00:33:09.000The best case you can make for President Trump, if you are a Trump supporter right now, is saying that Trump came in here
00:33:15.000And it turns out that even during his campaign, the swamp was basically trying to infiltrate his campaign and trying to infect his campaign with swampiness, right?
00:33:23.000Manafort was a Republican insider long before, long before President Trump had ever been on the political horizon.
00:33:29.000Again, I told you, I was made aware of Manafort being kind of a swamp creature.
00:33:50.000And he said, OK, sure, Manafort, why not?
00:33:52.000What he should be saying is, listen, all these people who were recommended to me by the RNC, all these people who were recommended to me by the Republican insiders, these are the people who are involved in the swamp.
00:35:18.000Everyone has been implicated in something here that is not good and is swampy in some way.
00:35:23.000And the reason for that is not because all these people are bad.
00:35:25.000It's not because all these people are evil people.
00:35:27.000It's not because they all have bad intent.
00:35:28.000It's because the people who are drawn to Washington D.C., the people who are drawn to power, tend to be the people who most want to take advantage of the money and power.
00:35:36.000The only way to stop this swampiness is to cut Washington D.C.
00:35:49.000Manafort, I had no idea who the guy was.
00:35:51.000He came in, he ran my campaign for a while.
00:35:53.000I really brought him on for delegate stuff, which is probably true.
00:35:56.000When I found out about all the Russia stuff, then I fired him, which is also true.
00:36:00.000I'm not here to participate in the swamp, but I have to admit that being an ignoramus about this sort of stuff, it was pretty easy to infiltrate my campaign, and this is one of the problems that we need to solve by minimizing the power of Washington, D.C.
00:36:10.000That would require Trump to say that he's made mistakes before.
00:36:13.000It would require Trump fans to say that he's made mistakes before, but it seems to me that's the best tactic and can actually be used as a positive for President Trump going forward.
00:36:21.000Okay, time for some things I like, things I hate, and then we'll deconstruct the culture for a moment.
00:36:27.000I've been doing books for parents because I was asked about it last week.
00:36:30.000So this book is called The Happiest Baby on the Block by Harvey Karp.
00:36:34.000So yesterday I gave you sort of a guide to dealing with toddlers because I have a three-and-a-half-year-old and, you know, disciplining toddlers is a difficult thing.
00:36:41.000This one is about how to get some sleep when you're a parent.
00:36:44.000The Happiest Baby on the Block is basically about very, very small babies, right?
00:37:18.000Check out The Happiest Baby on the Block by Harvey Karp.
00:37:21.000There's also a little documentary that you can view online where Karp actually shows you how to do these techniques to get your baby to stop crying so you can finally get some sleep, so check that out.
00:38:41.000So Bryan Cranston is very rare to run across actors who are not so eaten by the Hollywood machine that they don't feel the necessity to go out there and just rip Trump up and down every five minutes.
00:39:08.000Here's what he said, let me get the direct quote.
00:39:10.000According to the Hollywood Reporter, he said, Now, this harkens back to right after Obama was elected and
00:39:32.000Rush Limbaugh said he wanted Obama to fail.
00:39:34.000What he meant by that is he wanted Obama's policies to fail.
00:39:36.000He wanted Obama to... He didn't want Obama's... He didn't want bad outcomes for the country.
00:39:40.000He wanted Obama to fail in implementing his policies.
00:39:42.000But I think that Cranston's comments here go to something deeper, which is people have a personal investment in Donald Trump personally failing, and that's a problem.
00:39:50.000I agree with him, and good for Cranston for saying it.
00:39:59.000Okay, so today's thing I hate, John Kelly, the Chief of Staff, has become more and more sort of openly political.
00:40:04.000I think there's a mistake by John Kelly.
00:40:06.000I think John Kelly had the love and respect of a vast majority of Americans, the Chief of Staff, because of his military service, his great career, the fact that he's a gold star father.
00:40:16.000And now it seems like he's getting more and more political, and when he does so, he's mirroring the Trump line on a lot of topics.
00:40:22.000Sometimes that's good, and sometimes what he's doing is true, but he's getting himself in trouble.
00:40:26.000I'm not sure this is his best use to the President of the United States, is going out there and speaking on things like removal of Confederate monuments.
00:40:33.000Not because I disagree with him about the Confederate monument removal, but because his job is to act as a shield for President Trump, not to act as a sword for Trump's rhetoric.
00:40:42.000In any case, he was on with Laura Ingraham last night, launching her new show.
00:40:47.000It shows you how much of a lack of appreciation of history and what history is.
00:40:53.000I would tell you that Robert E. Lee was an honorable man.
00:40:56.000He was a man that gave up his country.
00:41:03.000for his state, which in 150 years ago was more important than country.
00:41:07.000It was always loyalty to state first back in those days.
00:41:13.000But the lack of an ability to compromise led to the Civil War.
00:41:20.000And men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had them make their stand.
00:41:28.000So people are basically ripping him up and down for that last comment about the Civil War, that Robert E. Lee was an honorable man, that people made stands of conscience on both sides, and they're trying to suggest that he's a racist because of this.
00:41:38.000Watch Ken Burns' documentary, and Ken Burns basically says a lot of these same things.
00:41:41.000This was, until the last five to ten years, sort of the way that the Civil War history was taught.
00:41:45.000When I was in middle school, this was the way the Civil War was taught.
00:41:48.000Not just that it was about slavery, but there were people who were arguing on behalf of states' rights disconnected from slavery, and didn't hold slaves, and didn't even particularly like slavery.
00:41:57.000This was sort of commonplace teaching.
00:42:00.000It may be that the revisionist history is correct, that this was all about slavery, that Lee was not an honorable guy, that he was fighting on behalf of a treasonous cause, and that the entire thing was about slavery from beginning to end.
00:42:10.000That seems to me, in many ways, more historically accurate than the traditional way this has been taught, but to suggest that Kelly's a racist because of this is to be ignorant of how the Civil War has largely been taught in American schools for the last 150 years.
00:42:23.000Now, again, I think his last line there that the Civil War happened because failure to compromise.
00:42:27.000I'm not sure how you compromise with slavery, exactly.
00:42:31.000Lincoln wanted to try and cut some sort of deal.
00:42:34.000Republicans had been trying to cut some sort of deal, even though they were abolitionists, but that failed because the South basically could not accept the results of the 1860 election.
00:42:41.000Okay, time to deconstruct the culture a little bit.
00:42:43.000So, in deconstructing the culture, what we like to do is we like to take a piece of culture that maybe you are listening to, your kids are listening to, your friends are listening to, and talk about what exactly the message is in the culture.
00:43:53.000Ooh, I'm a rebel just for kicks, yeah.
00:43:56.000I've been feeling it since 1966, yeah.
00:43:59.000Might be over now, but I feel it still.
00:44:04.000Okay, so what's weird about this particular music video, aside from the fact that it's a weird music video, is the fact that they actually embedded Easter eggs throughout this music video.
00:44:14.000So you'd have to watch it online, but you can actually click in the middle of the music video and it puts out messages.
00:44:18.000So the people who designed it, right, the band, actually said they wanted it to be a rallying cry for politics.
00:44:23.000They said that they wanted this to be a song for the resistance.
00:44:25.000So you can listen to it and not get that it's a song for the resistance.
00:44:29.000Right, basically they're saying that, you know, you feel the lyric is all about how
00:44:34.000They're supposedly apathetic, but they can still feel the resistance of 66.
00:44:38.000They say, I'm a rebel just for kicks now.
00:44:50.000Actually, if you go back to that particular freeze screen of the people making out in the car, if you were to click on the freeze screen of the people making out in the car, an Easter egg actually pops up when you click on it.
00:45:02.000And it's a direction to Planned Parenthood.
00:45:05.000There's also a direction to give money to the ACLU, or to help refugees, and so they've embedded all these political messages.
00:45:11.000So, right, there's a sort of random shot of people making out in a car.
00:45:13.000If you click on this, then it gives you the direct contact information for the, it gives you the direct contact information for Planned Parenthood.
00:45:20.000So this is the way that Hollywood sees it's making a difference.
00:45:24.000And this is why when people in Hollywood say, we're just out there to make money, we're just appealing to the population.
00:45:28.000No, they feel the necessity to actually push a particular message.
00:45:31.000And everybody's living in this afterglow from the 1960s.
00:45:34.000The 1960s happened literally 50 years ago now, folks.
00:45:38.000The 1960s ended 14 years before I was born.
00:45:42.000It's been a long time, and you've got all these young people who have this glorified version of what happened at Woodstock, which was basically a bunch of hippies smoking dope and screwing each other in the mud.
00:45:50.000And this is supposed to be some sort of great and glorious point in American history, but now we're gonna revitalize that.
00:45:56.000We're gonna make all of that come back through our hippiness.
00:46:00.000I don't think that's the case, and I think that this constant search for a cause is not good, particularly when you don't even know what the causes are that you are talking about.
00:46:08.000The song itself is super catchy, but you should always know what it is that you are watching and listening to, or at least the messages that they are trying to portray.
00:46:14.000I mean, there's a more obvious one, right?
00:46:16.000You see a Hindu guy burning a copy of InfoWars.
00:46:18.000The idea being everyone on the right is an InfoWars Alex Jones reader.
00:46:26.000The embedded messages in a lot of these songs are a little bit hard to spot, but this one was very purposefully put in there.
00:46:33.000The creative director, a guy named Jason Kreeher, he said,
00:46:48.000So just understand that the pop culture is trying to push a particular point of view.
00:46:51.000The reason they're trying to hide it is because if you know they're trying to push a particular point of view, they're not good at doing it.
00:46:55.000Katy Perry pushing a particular point of view in I Kissed a Girl and I Liked It is much more effective than Katy Perry on stage at the DNC speaking on behalf of Hillary Clinton.
00:47:04.000Okay, we'll be back here tomorrow with all of the latest breaking news.