On February 20th, James O'Keefe stepped down as the CEO of Project Veritas, a conservative nonprofit news organization that was founded by James and focused on exposing corporate and government corruption. But a few days later, the FBI raided James' home and removed him from the organization, placing him on an indefinite leave of absence pending an investigation. On today's show, Ben Shapiro sits down with James to discuss the circumstances of his ouster, the fallout from the FBI raid, and what's next for him and his new venture, O'Keeffe Media Group, a new organization focused on citizen journalism and the future of the project. Ben Shapiro is the host of The Ben Shapiro Show on Fox News Radio and host of the conservative radio show The Oasis Radio Show on SiriusXM Radio. He is a frequent contributor to The Weekly Standard and has been featured in the New York Times, USA Today, The Huffington Post, and The Daily Wire. He is the author of several books, including The OVee Report, and is a regular contributor to the conservative media outlets including The Daily Caller, The Weekly Beast, and the Weekly Standard. James OKeefe Media Group is a podcast produced in partnership with Procter & Gamble and Proctor & Gamble, a partner in a new venture called OVEE Media Group. . James has a new book out now, Overest, which is out in paperback! and is available for pre-order on Amazon Prime, Blu-ray, and also on Vimeo. and Audible. in paperback, and on the Audible, wherever else you get your favorite podcast is available. You can get a copy of the book, Proctor . or listen to the podcast on Audible or watch the show on the podcast, The FiveThirtyEight and subscribe on the Fourcast, wherever you get the podcast. podcast is also available on the internet. Thank you for listening to the show? Subscribe to our new podcast, subscribe to our podcast? Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, subscribe on iTunes or wherever you re listening to our newest episodes are available. Thanks for listening? Learn more about you re getting the latest episodes of the Four corners of the internet? The Fourteenth Season of Four Corners Podcast? Subscribe on Fourcast? Connect with us on social media? We re Fourcasted by Fourcast Connected by Sixcasted?
00:00:00.000Everybody is sort of opining on the events of the day and telling you what to believe or who to vote for or what the public policy is good or bad.
00:00:09.000For example, people may ask, your audience might be asking, well, what, what stories are you going to focus on?
00:00:13.000I said, I don't know what stories I'm going to focus on, but all the stories will have one thing in common.
00:00:17.000They'll expose liars, cheats, and frauds.
00:00:21.000James O'Keefe and I have known each other for over a decade, both of us coming up in the world of media and politics under the mentorship of our dear friend Andrew Breitbart.
00:00:28.000I first met James as he was in the process of showing the Acorn tapes to Andrew.
00:00:32.000Those tapes exposed the prominent Obama-affiliated community activist group as corrupt left-wing radicals, which became the genesis of Project Veritas, the nonprofit news organization founded by James from which he was controversially ousted last month.
00:01:01.000Under James' leadership, Project Veritas exposed corruption, bias, and wrongdoing at some of the most prominent organizations in America, including ACORN, Planned Parenthood, NPR, And Pfizer.
00:01:13.000James O'Keefe has been unsurprisingly treated as pariah by legacy media and big tech, but no one expected his role as the CEO of Project Veritas to come to an abrupt end.
00:01:23.000That ending sent shockwaves through the media and the conservative movement.
00:01:26.000For reasons that remain contested, the board at Project Veritas placed James on an indefinite suspension pending an investigation, and on February 20th, James announced his resignation as CEO.
00:01:36.000The board's treatment of James was met with indignation from conservatives who have supported and cheered on James' work over the years.
00:02:16.000So, I know your time is tight, so let's just jump right into, obviously, the most controversial aspect of what's going on right now, and that is the launch of your brand new organization.
00:02:24.000So, why don't you give us, for folks who are not in the know, the backstory of how Project Veritas broke with you, or you broke with Project Veritas, because obviously, for most people, myself included, you're synonymous with the organization.
00:02:35.000I mean, the idea that Project Veritas is going to continue as an organization without James O'Keefe, that's like saying that Coca-Cola is going to continue without the formula for Coca-Cola.
00:02:42.000So, can you explain exactly what went down with Project Veritas?
00:02:50.000Um, I met you around that time, the acorn story with Andrew Breitbart many years ago.
00:02:55.000And, um, I spent 14 years building that organization.
00:02:58.000And then I broke the story on Pfizer, uh, last week in January.
00:03:02.000And then a week later I was ousted from the organization.
00:03:05.000So I've been the same guy for many years.
00:03:07.000Um, they, they made arguments that, uh, I took too many black cars and, and took sandwiches from pregnant women and some other strange things.
00:03:17.000I posted a video, a 45-minute long video three weeks ago, my departing remarks to my staff, and I was pretty honest and vulnerable about everything.
00:03:27.000So I don't really know I never really figured out what exactly happened, but it's important for me to continue with my mission.
00:03:36.000I never really focused on board composition or board management, but I can tell you that while there were some really horrible things that happened, I also saw a lot of goodness in the people around me, some really good journalists.
00:03:50.000And right now I've assembled a team of about a dozen elite Journalists and I'm going to alter my vision a little bit and I'm going to crowdsource out the journalism and decentralized journalism so I can give hundreds of cameras to other people.
00:04:03.000So that's everything in a nutshell, but I can get more into some of the detail if you want.
00:04:07.000So I'd love to hear about what the new organization is going to do and how it's going to differ from Project Veritas.
00:04:41.000I think journalism is about storytelling and exposing what needs to be exposed and doing it in a visual format.
00:04:50.000This mission, O'Keefe Media Group, is about getting little cameras into the hands of thousands of people and helping everyone be a journalist.
00:05:26.000But there's also the Jeff Bezos version, which is 20 or 40 bucks.
00:05:29.000People are buying those by themselves.
00:05:32.000So the mission is to teach people, then, about journalism ethics, teach people about technology, teach people about recording laws in various states.
00:05:41.000I intend to open source all of that on the website, which is not yet built out.
00:05:52.000It's a very ambitious mission, but I intend to do that, get this ready to go in the next few months.
00:05:59.000Well, I mean, obviously you were close with Andrew Breitbart so was I, and this sounds like sort of a reification of many of the things that he talked about very early on when you and I met.
00:06:06.000The idea that everyone with a camera was now a journalist, and now you're actually making that real by helping to get people those cameras and then teaching them the basic rules of journalism is sort of what it sounds like.
00:06:16.000Yeah, I think there's four different things we need to teach people.
00:06:20.000Journalism ethics is critical and you hear that a lot, but I think we all know journalism has been dead for a long time now.
00:06:27.000You guys have revived it a bit at Daily Wire.
00:06:30.000There really isn't really any investigative reporting going on in this country.
00:06:34.000All the corporate media has stopped doing it because it's too expensive.
00:06:38.000As an attorney, you know that there's a lot of legal issues inherent in recording.
00:06:43.000There's 38 states where it's perfectly legal and 12 where it's problematic.
00:06:46.000So everyone has to be equipped with that information to do it.
00:06:50.000But I think it's important to decentralize journalism.
00:06:55.000I think it's important for people who have access to the proverbial scene of the crime, you know, whether you're in the FDA or the government or Pfizer or wherever you are, it's a lot harder for me to try to infiltrate or to get someone inside.
00:07:08.000It's a lot easier for people out there who already know someone who's there to do it themselves.
00:07:15.000And again, Andrew and I talked about this many years ago.
00:07:23.000In many ways, Ben, the story I did on Pfizer, which you covered a month ago, this was the guy who was talking about mutating the virus.
00:07:29.000He smashed the equipment when I showed him the story.
00:07:32.000I think me being thrown out of the company that I founded, I actually think that inspired a lot of people.
00:07:37.000They were like, whoa, that's crazy that you were ousted from an organization that you founded just a week after that story The timing was very peculiar to people, and it led more sources to come to me.
00:07:51.000I got 10,000 emails saying, hey, give me one of those cameras.
00:08:04.000You know, James, one of the things that I've said about, you know, the thing that you do is that, you know, there's this attempt by those in the journalism industry to say that there is such a thing as, quote unquote, a journalist.
00:08:15.000And the journalist is, you know, touched by the hand of God and has special gifts and abilities and special credentials.
00:08:21.000And those special credentials mean that you can be as biased and insane as you want to be, or in many cases, inaccurate as you want to be.
00:08:27.000But so long as you have the journalist hat, then this means that you are a journalist.
00:08:31.000You're a normal citizen, and you commit an act of journalism.
00:08:34.000You're not actually a journalist, because there's no such thing as an act of journalism.
00:08:37.000I've described what you do as acts of journalism.
00:08:40.000The reports that you make are, in and of themselves, journalism.
00:08:43.000And so it's less about the label that is on you.
00:08:45.000Because I think this is the way that the left has tried to attack it.
00:08:49.000Well, you know, you didn't work at a big organization.
00:08:50.000You don't know all the rules of journalism-ing.
00:08:53.000And therefore, the breaking stories that you provide are not actual journalism.
00:08:56.000That seems to me a way of credentialing your way out of the central problem, which, as you say, is that many journalists don't actually do journalism, while many common citizens are doing acts of journalism.
00:09:07.000Yeah, I think that's a very astute point, that journalism, as you say, it's an activity, not just an identity.
00:09:17.000And not just that, it's also reporting the cold, hard facts.
00:09:22.000Everybody is sort of opining on the events of the day and telling you what to believe or who to vote for or what the public policy is, good or bad.
00:10:23.000If that's what you want to do, if that's what Jeff Zucker, a former president, then say, we are the anti-Trump network, but don't try to hide it.
00:10:35.000I don't claim to have some special knowledge about that.
00:10:39.000I guess that's what Congress is supposed to do, which is pass laws in the interest of the citizens.
00:10:44.000What I'm trying to do is get information into the hands of the citizens So that they make the best decisions to elect the right representatives.
00:10:51.000Because I actually believe that if people had any idea what was actually going on in the three-letter agencies and the schools, I think we're seeing more of that now, then they would be rightfully outraged.
00:11:03.000And they would make the right public policy decisions.
00:12:09.000vpn.com slash ben there is no reason that anybody else should have control over your data so keep control over your data with expressvpn.com slash ben James, one of the things that's been really evident throughout your career, and again, you and I have known each other since you first walked into Andrew's basement, actually, with the Acorn tapes.
00:12:42.000You hear the phrase selectively edited coming up a lot.
00:12:44.000This has been true all the way since the Acorn tapes when you revealed Acorn station after Acorn station talking about how they would essentially facilitate funding for underage child prostitution.
00:12:54.000And you revealed that tape and then, oh, it's selectively edited, selectively edited.
00:12:59.000Can you speak to the difference between, quote unquote, selective editing, the way that they're accusing you of doing and what it is that you actually do?
00:13:06.000And by the way, there's one more that when I met you 13 years ago, you wrote a piece because you went to Harvard Law School, and they said, well, the Acorn employees were exonerated.
00:13:47.000All Pulitzer Prize-winning reporting is edited.
00:13:50.000Journalism is not just releasing raw stuff.
00:13:53.000It's giving the who, what, when, where, why.
00:13:55.000It's assembling it into a package because you have limited time.
00:13:58.000You can't put out three hours and 48 minutes of tape.
00:14:01.000You can't, for example, show unredacted source material.
00:14:05.000You can't show the hidden camera part where the guy forgot to turn off and urinated in the stall.
00:14:10.000There are certain things that you have to redact.
00:14:12.000There are certain sources that you have to protect.
00:14:15.000And in order to get the information out in a limited amount of time, and everything has to be done in context, it's not easy to do, it's an art, but if you look at the New York Times today and the hyperbole and the mendacious innuendo of the newspapers, the Washington Post and the New York Times in particular, the way that they arrange, you know what I'm talking about, they chop the quotes, they describe things in this mendacious way, So you don't even know what you're reading.
00:14:39.000It's almost like you have to twist the newspaper to figure out what... Let me give you one quick example.
00:15:44.000Yeah, James, one of the things that's always striking about the media coverage of what it is you do is that if the left were to break similar stories about the right using exactly the same methodologies that you've been using, of course, they would be winning Pulitzer Prizes.
00:15:55.000You do this sort of stuff, and they immediately claim, number one, that you're dishonest, and number two, they claim that the methodologies that you're using are dishonest.
00:16:02.000So things like undercover footage or recording conversations that are happening in public These sorts of things are supposedly super terrible, but, you know, when it's serving left-wing purposes, then these people are the best journalists on planet Earth.
00:16:37.000I work with Lila Rose, and he worked with Lila Rose.
00:16:40.000That was the body parts undercover camera investigation.
00:16:43.000Kamala Harris, the then Attorney General of California, Can you imagine Kamala Harris raiding undercover journalists to record puppies being abused?
00:16:49.000his equipment. Imagine if David DeLeon had recorded abuse at puppy mills in California.
00:16:56.000Now, they try to go after him for California Penal Code 632, recording without permission.
00:17:02.000But can you imagine Kamala Harris raiding undercover journalists to record puppies being abused? She would never do that. And that's the lack of equality before the law.
00:17:39.000And we will make sure that we have the legal primer on our website because, again, there are 38 states where this is legal and 12 where you have to be careful.
00:17:48.000For example, in California, you have to be in a public place.
00:17:51.000We'll make sure everyone has that information.
00:17:53.000So, James, you know, when you look at sort of, you know, the amount of footage that's going to come back to you, and it's going to be extraordinary amounts of footage, because if you've got hundreds of people out there who are investigating stories, you're going to need a big staff.
00:18:03.000I mean, I'd imagine it's going to take an enormous amount of resources just to go through all of this, investigate the stories that are coming back to you.
00:18:09.000You know, we here at Daily Wire, we have a big company, a big staff.
00:18:12.000We don't have all the resources necessary to do this sort of stuff.
00:18:14.000How big do you imagine your staff is going to have to be just to cull through this footage and then investigate what is actually newsworthy and what's not?
00:18:20.000I think initially, right now, I have a dozen.
00:18:38.000Initially, we have to curate the material.
00:18:41.000It's a lot easier to curate the material than it is to collect it, I've learned, Ben, in my life.
00:18:46.000Undercover work sometimes takes six to nine months, so if you have someone with an access point into an organization and they just send you the material, you've cut out 99% of the expense and 99% of the work.
00:19:00.000When you have thousands of people recording, what you have to then do is not curate it yourself but teach them how to curate it themselves.
00:19:09.000In other words, you have to help them identify what a story is, you have to help them perhaps produce the material themselves, tell the story themselves.
00:19:18.000People do often struggle with finding, you know, communicating in a very short amount of time what's important.
00:19:25.000And I intend to teach people how to do that.
00:19:27.000In fact, I won't say which because I don't want to have what happened to Charlie Kirk or the Antifa come or whatever, but I've been invited to speak at a journalism school, a very famous one.
00:19:36.000This is the first time in my life I've been invited to teach a course on on ethics of covert recording.
00:19:44.000And I intend to film it and produce it like you would see a master class.
00:19:48.000And these are the sorts of things I want to do.
00:19:50.000I want to teach people how to do it themselves so that I don't have to curate it.
00:19:55.000And if that vision comes to life, I think that could change the world.
00:20:03.000But in the interim, I have this team of 12 that I've identified in the very short term that will curate the material.
00:20:11.000So James, let's go back in time to when the idea of doing this sort of stuff first occurred to you.
00:20:15.000So obviously you were a gadfly going all the way back.
00:20:17.000I actually saw a tape of you today from almost 20 years ago back at Rutgers trying to get the board of Rutgers to ban Lucky Charms in order to not offend the Irish for St.
00:20:29.000Patrick's Day and succeeding in that apparently.
00:20:31.000So you were a gadfly and you were a prankster going all the way back to 2005.
00:20:35.000But how did this turn into sort of a journalistic crusade?
00:20:38.000This is the very first thing I've ever done to this effect.
00:20:42.000I went into the vice president of Rutgers, St.
00:20:46.000Patrick's Day 2005, 18 years ago today.
00:20:50.000And I said that the leprechaun was offensive to my heritage.
00:20:54.000You could say I was a little ahead of my time.
00:20:56.000I'm not sure that irony would even work today.
00:20:58.000We were having this conversation this morning with my staff.
00:21:08.000The vice president of HR, a woman named Carolyn Knight Cole, with a straight face, took copious notes and said, can you tell me that again?
00:21:27.000I turned it into a nervous cry. You can see it. I reposted it today.
00:21:30.000And they actually told me they would ban Lucky Charms. And I took out the campus speech codes, which said you can't offend anybody's heritage. As an Irishman, I said, well, this offends my heritage. So it's sort of like making them live up to their own book of rules. And they're damned either way, because if they don't ban Lucky Charms, they're going to break their own law.
00:21:52.000If they do ban Lucky Charms, they're becoming a laughingstock on campus.
00:21:56.000And that dichotomy is what launched what I would call Veritas visuals, which eventually became Project Veritas. So yeah, I've been doing this for 20 years. You might ask what prompted me to do that?
00:22:09.000I don't know. I guess it was the artist in me wanted to bring things to light and to expose things for what they were. What prompted me to do that? I was a thespian in high school.
00:22:23.000I was a person who did like to read the newspapers and I watched local news and I was very contemptuous of what I saw and I wanted to do something about it.
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00:23:40.000You and I know the story because we were there, but why don't you tell the story for people who don't know the story of the Acorn videos?
00:23:45.000Because that's really when you first broke into sort of the American public imagination, breaking the series of videos demonstrating that a very highly networked, Democratic front group, was in fact engaging in what would have been a legal activity if you'd actually been not an undercover journalist, but actually had been the thing that you purported to be.
00:24:03.000So why don't you first explain to people, because it's been a long time, what exactly Acorn was doing, how you decided to go after Acorn, how that story developed, and then what your relationship was with our friend Andrew Breitbart.
00:24:12.000Yes, and I wrote a whole book about this.
00:24:14.000So I'll try to summarize it in a New York Minute.
00:24:18.000ACORN was the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
00:24:21.000Barack Obama was an attorney for ACORN.
00:25:30.000It was a pinhole camera with a wire into my pocket.
00:25:35.000These cameras were different about 15 years ago and there was no Amazon where you can buy them.
00:25:42.000And I recorded in Baltimore this lady telling me, I was scared to death and my heart was beating 180 beats per minute because I'm saying outrageous stuff about underage hookers and I'm going to use the money to do illegal things.
00:25:57.000And she told me how to lie on my tax forms and classify the underage girls All of which I was just making up, but she didn't know that.
00:26:05.000She said, call them dependents on your tax forms and lie to the government and don't let the police catch you.
00:26:31.000They released the second, third, fourth, and fifth tapes.
00:26:34.000And then by the fifth tape, the House of Representatives, democratically controlled, voted to defund ACORN.
00:26:40.000The Senate voted 83 to 7, this is a democratically controlled United States Senate to defund ACORN, and Barack Obama signed that legislation probably because he wanted to distance himself, but nevertheless, that's how the world has changed.
00:26:54.000You could never see an even Republican-led Congress defund anything, let alone a social welfare organization funded by your tax dollars.
00:27:21.000So what was it like for you on a personal level?
00:27:23.000I know obviously, you know, you and I were a lot more anonymous when we first met, but you know, you became famous pretty much overnight.
00:27:29.000I mean, you went from being somebody that nobody knew to somebody that everybody knew, and that came with extraordinary levels of attendance attacks.
00:27:35.000I mean, you've been on the end of a number of tsunamis over the years.
00:27:38.000What was it like to first experience the tsunami of rage that came at you in the aftermath of the Acorn Tapes?
00:27:44.000The first thing that comes to my mind is the media.
00:27:48.000We all know this because we're all astute observers of the press.
00:27:51.000It's another thing to live through it.
00:27:54.000CNN called my phone that day like 70 times trying to get a hold of me.
00:28:00.000And Andrew Breitbart said, do not pick up that phone.
00:29:02.000They tried to claim the tapes were edited.
00:29:04.000I remember I was 25 years old, sitting in front of my computer, literally tearing up about being presented in such a horrible way on Wikipedia.
00:29:16.000And there's really nothing I can do about it.
00:29:18.000I can't edit the Wikipedia page because they immediately have an army of people, I guess Media Matters or whoever it is, that's editing it right back to what it is.
00:29:26.000So yeah, this is a really hard thing to digest, to accept.
00:29:46.000I probably put out a thousand investigations over the last 13 years, and every one of them, they attacked me.
00:29:53.000And every time I said, you know, I just gotta keep going.
00:29:56.000Even recently, look at the last 45 days of my life, I was thrown out of the corporation that I founded and was the chairman of, and I said to myself, I just gotta keep going.
00:30:49.000I mean, you've had law enforcement come after you.
00:30:52.000So maybe you can discuss what that's like, because, you know, fortunately for me, I've not yet been attacked by law enforcement, but, you know, you never know.
00:32:27.000And one of the things that struck me about the FBI was I actually believe that the majority of these people are really good people.
00:32:35.000I believe the people at the top are fairly compromised.
00:32:39.000And what struck me about their body language is they realized That they were not doing the right thing.
00:32:46.000And I think some of them had a conscience.
00:32:47.000And I know that because one of them blew the whistle.
00:32:51.000A guy named Kyle Serafin, FBI agent, leaked some documents to us from a different source showing us that the FBI knew we were a news media.
00:33:11.000You can't let lawyers stop the creative process, but you have to do the right thing, and you have to have backbone, and you have to have integrity.
00:33:23.000And even when you do the right thing and have integrity and behave ethically, they'll accuse you of doing the wrong thing, and you have to stand your ground.
00:33:30.000In this matter with the FBI, the ACLU, Ben, the American Civil Liberties Union has defended me.
00:34:03.000Do you think Josh Gerstein wants to be raided by the feds for publishing the leaked?
00:34:08.000And by the way, I defended, I may not like the leaker, we may not like the person in the Supreme Court to leak that, but I defend the right of the journalists to publish the leaked material.
00:34:19.000That is a very important American tradition.
00:34:23.000And I think a lot of these left-wing journalists are, Ben, they're afraid that the three-letter agencies might come for them.
00:34:32.000So in a strange twist of fate, they defended us.
00:34:36.000And I think that's actually a very hopeful thing.
00:34:38.000And it's a good sign that we're not yet fully lost in society.
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00:35:40.000So James, you talked a lot about what Andrew would call walking through the fire, you know, keep on going even when they're firing the arrows at you.
00:35:46.000But over the course of 20 years, obviously, I have my own career regrets, things that I wish I had done differently.
00:35:52.000Well, what are some of the things that, you know, looking back, you wish that you had done differently or known so that you would have done something differently?
00:35:57.000You know, that's a really good question and goes to the issue of regret.
00:36:01.000Because a lot of the things that happen to us form who we are.
00:36:04.000Like the Louisiana thing, this is another Long story, which I'll try to summarize in 30 seconds.
00:36:10.000I was arrested in a federal building in 2010.
00:37:23.000I went to a small law school and dropped out after a year, but I feel like I'm an attorney.
00:37:30.000I think all good journalists sort of have to be lawyers because you have to, when you're in the field, you have to Do the IRAC issue rule analysis conclusion while you're recording.
00:38:27.000But I probably should have done a better job of selecting who is on my board.
00:38:33.000And I need to make sure that the people that I surround myself with, particularly in an area like at the board or at the top, have really what we call testicular fortitude.
00:38:56.000And because I learned from it, I don't regret it.
00:38:58.000I just, I'm going to be more effective moving forward.
00:39:01.000And I think that things are happening for a reason and are happening as they should.
00:39:05.000So, you know, we talked a little bit before about what it's like to be on the receiving end of the tsunami.
00:39:10.000On a personal level, obviously, you keep walking forward.
00:39:13.000On a business level, in your public-facing life, you always have to keep walking forward because the minute you show weakness in the industry that We both share in politics or pretty much any other industry.
00:39:23.000The minute you show weakness, that's just blood in the water to your enemies and to your opponents.
00:39:27.000You know, for me on a personal level, one of the things that I've had to do is not only cultivate a thick skin, but also sort of create a bubble around myself that's permeable by people I trust, but not permeable by anybody that I don't.
00:39:36.000Meaning, you know, I have a wife, I have kids, I have parents, I have siblings, I have a set of close friends.
00:39:41.000And then, you know, kind of outside of that, you know, all the other opinions sort of don't matter.
00:39:44.000So on a personal level, What sort of life have you tried to cultivate in order to both protect yourself but also allow for criticisms that you have to hear in order to get better at what you do to permeate?
00:39:55.000Well, on a professional level, you have to admit mistakes when you make them journalistically.
00:39:59.000And there's about three or four mistakes I've made in my life, and I've admitted them.
00:40:02.000I'm talking about journalistic mistakes.
00:40:05.000Maybe you get the thing wrong, or you misspell the name.
00:42:25.000One of my guys is a pastor in his real life, and he put the whistleblower's flight on his credit card last week.
00:42:33.000Luckily, we've been able to pay all the credit cards off because of the subscriptions.
00:42:36.000These are the sorts of people that you need.
00:42:39.000You need people who are willing, who are brave, who are just excellent human beings.
00:42:46.000I don't know if that makes sense, but you've got to go through the SHIT to figure out who those people are.
00:42:56.000So, James, one of the things that people may have noticed about your videos is that some of them have a lot of flair to them, some of them are very provocative.
00:43:05.000It's not just going to be watching a CNN broadcast.
00:43:06.000Sometimes you have humor in there, or you have even song and dance, depending on what you're doing.
00:43:12.000How do you balance the need to do the journalistic stuff with sort of that creative itch that you want to scratch?
00:43:16.000Because obviously you've had that for as long as I've known you.
00:43:19.000Yeah, and some people don't like it, and I understand, and I would say to them that I wouldn't be a storyteller if I didn't have the artistic flair, because this is about storytelling.
00:43:28.000I'm not motivated by power or politics.
00:43:32.000I wouldn't even say I'm a political person.
00:43:34.000I do cover political stories, but I'm really more of a storyteller.
00:44:22.000So, you know, obviously you look at the political scenario right now, it is a target rich environment if ever there has been one.
00:44:28.000Elite institutions control more of our lives than ever at any time in certainly my lifetime.
00:44:34.000Since the pandemic, it seems like every institution has gained consolidated control or more consolidated control.
00:44:39.000So I'm not asking you to reveal any of the stories that you're going to be researching, but which areas do you think are sort of the targets?
00:44:45.000If you could put a focus on them, you would.
00:44:48.000I've been focusing a lot on education over the last year because I think everyone agreed you don't mess with the mama bears.
00:44:54.000And I think we're so divided in this country morally, politically, every which way.
00:44:59.000I feel the education issue does unite 85% of people.
00:45:07.000So that's one area that I'm passionate about, because I think you shouldn't abuse children.
00:45:11.000And I think we can unite around the fact that child abuse is wrong.
00:45:16.000We disagree about what child abuse is, but I think we can unite around the fact that you don't target children. Also the three-letter agencies. I think the federal agencies, I may testify in Congress about the FBI raid. Jim Jordan has written about that with me. And third is the pharmaceutical companies. I think we need to stay on the Pfizer beat and some of what they're doing.
00:45:46.000I think the drug companies are needed in some respects, but I think some of the lies that we've exposed, like why are they lying to their consumers about their products?
00:45:55.000And if that sounds good to you and you're watching this program and you're a citizen out there, it's not for everybody, but we can ship you a camera.
00:46:02.000If you go to this website, okifmediagroup.com, we'll help you tell your stories.
00:46:08.000Because there's a lot of people with a conscience out there that want to do that.