Iranian forces shot down a U.S. surveillance drone over the Strait of Hormuz on Thursday, according to the New York Times. It s just the latest in a growing list of tensions between the United States and Iran that has raised fears of war. But is a shooting war with Iran actually on the horizon? Ben Shapiro explains why it s unlikely, and why we should take Iran's claims about their intentions seriously. Plus, a look at how the White House handled the situation, and what it means for the future of the country s relations with Iran, and whether or not it s time for a full-scale shooting war. Plus, more on Joe Biden and slavery reparations, and Chuck Todd s run-in with the woke schools. Subscribe to Ben Shapiro's new show, The Ben Shapiro Show, wherever you get your shows. Use the promo code "UPLEVEL" to receive 20% off your first month with discount code "WEBINAR" at checkout. Thanks for listening and share the podcast with your fellow podcasting friends! Subscribe, review, and tell a friend about what you think of the show! It helps us spread the word to the world about it! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! - Ben Shapiro Music: "Good Morning America" by Suneaters, "Goodbye Outer Space" by Fountains of Troy, "Outer Space, Goodbye" by Haley and Co., by Haley & Co., "The Good Morning America by Ferg & Co. "Bye Bye Bye Byebye, Love, Judea & Good Luck, by Mr. Lovell & Good Morning, - by Ms. & Mr. Goodbye, Bye, Lovell and Mr. Badbye, "Auntie" by Mrs. Jacklyn "Thank You, Bye Bye, Bye, Blessings, Jacklyn & Good Night, Bless, Bless You, Bless Blessings -- xOXO, Billie & Joe" by EJ & Ms. -- "Amberly & EYETTERING, - EYEAH? -- Thank You, EYELOTTERY & KELLY AND JUICY & MURCHLEY & JOSEPH & MRS. - PRAISE YOU, EABBYE & JAYE AND GRABBYE
00:00:18.000So we begin today not with segregationist senators or reparations We begin today with the breaking news that Iran yesterday shot down a U.S.
00:00:26.000drone, according to the New York Times, escalating tensions.
00:00:30.000surveillance drone early on Thursday, according to both nations.
00:00:33.000The nations differed on the crucial issue of whether the aircraft had violated Iranian airspace in the latest escalation in tensions that have raised fears of war between the two countries.
00:00:42.000I do love, again, the sort of cycle of violence language that is used by the New York Times.
00:00:46.000It's just the latest escalation in tensions.
00:00:48.000Generalized tensions out there in the universe that have raised fear of war.
00:00:52.000Actually, it's just that Iran keeps bombing things and, like, shooting things down.
00:00:56.000The United States has taken no aggressive military action against Iran, as in none, going all the way back to the Obama administration, when the Iranians were taking prisoner American soldiers.
00:01:05.000Iranian officials said that the drone was over Iran.
00:01:09.000Each side accused the other of being the aggressor.
00:01:11.000Obviously, we should take the Iranian contentions with all of the All of the verifiable, I think, truth that they deserve.
00:01:20.000I think we should absolutely take Iran's contentions seriously, because they never lie about these things, like wanting to develop nuclear weapons, or bombing ships, or anything supporting terrorists.
00:01:32.000Obviously, we should take the contentions of the American government and the Iranian government with exactly the same amount of seriousness.
00:01:39.000Both of the countries said the downing occurred at 4.05 Iranian time on Thursday, 7.35pm on Wednesday in Washington.
00:01:45.000The drone was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile system while operating in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz, according to U.S.
00:01:54.000Again, the Strait of Hormuz is the geographic region that is the source of a lot of this tension right now because the Iranians are effectively seeking to bottleneck all oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz, which is responsible for an enormous amount of the world's oil market.
00:02:09.000They're hoping to drive up the price of oil artificially by preventing a solid supply through the Strait of Hormuz.
00:02:17.000The United States said this was an unprovoked attack on a U.S.
00:02:19.000surveillance asset in international airspace.
00:02:21.000An Iranian attack on an American aircraft, even an unmanned drone, adds a potential flashpoint to the growing list of recent clashes.
00:02:28.000Also, the White House had late night meetings yesterday.
00:02:32.000Sarah Huckabee Sanders told news outlets that the president had been briefed on the missile attack and that the administration was monitoring the situation.
00:02:39.000And then President Trump went on Twitter this morning and he tweeted out, Iran made a very big mistake.
00:02:48.000So if we end up going to war on the basis of a tweet, I'll say it's not ideal.
00:02:53.000Like we used to have a procedure for this where you went to Congress for permission to go to war and all of this sort of thing.
00:03:56.000You know how many times the United States has fired missiles into particular areas?
00:04:00.000You know, I mean, we did it under Trump to Syria like two years ago.
00:04:05.000It didn't devolve into a full scale war between Syria and the United States.
00:04:07.000And we have American troops in Syria right now.
00:04:10.000So, you know, I'm skeptical of the claim that the Trump administration is ready to send 150,000, 200,000 American troops into the middle of the Middle East.
00:04:20.000That is just not something that is really on the table.
00:04:24.000So we'll keep an eye on that, obviously, and we'll keep an eye on President Trump's Twitter feed to determine if he decides to announce any targets via Twitter.
00:04:31.000I guess that's how we're doing this thing now.
00:04:34.000We're just going to wait, and he's going to be like, yeah, I tell this beach house, go.
00:04:41.000OK, meanwhile, Joe Biden, they're coming for old Joe.
00:04:44.000So I've been predicting this since the day that Joe Biden decided that he was going to run for president, is that all the guns would turn on old Joe.
00:04:52.000And I have to admit, if old Joe had not spent the last few years being Just a terrible politician, then I'd feel a lot more sympathy for him because the attacks on Joe Biden today are extraordinarily unfair.
00:05:05.000I mean, just in all intellectual honesty, they are really, really unfair attacks on Joe Biden.
00:05:12.000Joe Biden has expressed sympathy for segregationist senators in the past.
00:05:16.000Joe Biden has actually said nice things about segregationist senators in the past.
00:05:19.000Not because they were segregationists, per se, but because he says lots of nice things about lots of senators because he was, wait for it, in the Senate.
00:05:26.000This is just something that happens in the Senate.
00:05:29.000There are lots of people in Congress who praise each other on a regular basis.
00:05:35.000How dare Joe Biden suggest that he was once civil to people with whom he radically Disagrees.
00:05:42.000And again, this is, as I say, it's not unusual.
00:05:45.000Steve Kornacki, who works over at NBC News, national political correspondent, he points out that Ted Kennedy used to talk about his warm collegial relationship with James Eastland, the senator at issue, in Joe Biden's comments.
00:05:57.000Does that mean that Ted Kennedy was a vicious, brutal racist?
00:06:05.000Nonetheless, Joe Biden stepped in it because you're not allowed to acknowledge the humanity of people who you disagree with, even people who you think are truly wrong about everything and hold evil principles.
00:06:16.000You're not allowed to acknowledge their humanity or acknowledge that if you sit in the Senate with them, that sometimes you have to make deals with them.
00:07:27.000In geopolitical instability news, Iran is obviously escalating tensions in the Middle East.
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00:08:40.000Okay, so Joe Biden had the gall, the temerity, to suggest that if you really disliked somebody, if you held principles different from somebody else, if you didn't agree with somebody, you still had to get things done in the Senate.
00:09:03.000Joe Biden was not saying that the segregationist principles of these senators were good.
00:09:07.000He was not saying that these were good, wonderful men.
00:09:09.000There's no evidence that he said that about these guys.
00:09:12.000Instead, he said that we tried to be civil, and we achieved civility, and we worked together.
00:09:18.000I thought for a second that that was what politics was all about, actually.
00:09:21.000But no, it turns out that politics is more about showing that you hate somebody more than the other guy hates that person.
00:09:27.000So all of the Democrats in the 2020 race jump on Joe Biden.
00:09:31.000Specifically, this is a rich vein for them because Joe Biden is doing exceedingly well with black voters right now.
00:09:37.000He's doing great with black voters right now.
00:09:38.000And so there are a bunch of candidates ranging from Kamala Harris to Cory Booker, specifically Cory Booker, who really needs a lot of black support if he's going to start climbing in the polls.
00:09:46.000He's got no white support at this point.
00:09:49.000Elizabeth Warren jumping into the fray as well.
00:09:59.000One, if Joe Biden was truly friendly towards segregation, why didn't anybody in the media notice this for, you know, the eight years when he was vice president under a black president?
00:10:24.000Weird how the media are finally starting to pay attention to Joe Biden's odd musings on race.
00:10:29.000I mean, this is old stuff, but hadn't heard this surfaced until Democrats decided, hey, wait a second, we have some questions about old Joe.
00:10:35.000Isn't it odd how we only find out that Beto O'Rourke was part of a hacking group and is also a giant weirdo with no political abilities as soon as he stops running against Ted Cruz?
00:10:44.000Isn't it weird that we only find out that Joe Biden is apparently a weirdo on race as soon as he starts running against a bunch of Democrats the media like better than Joe Biden?
00:10:59.000What kind of a chance would a Northeastern liberal like Joe Biden stand in the South if you were running in Democratic primaries against Southerners like Mark Warner and John Edwards?
00:11:34.000When Joe Biden was on the good side of the media, everybody sort of took his words for him just being an idiot and him gaffing.
00:11:40.000And now everybody is taking it as though he is a borderline vicious racist.
00:11:44.000And then they're using plausible deniability.
00:11:46.000So this was the strategy of Cory Booker.
00:11:49.000who came out and effectively suggested that he was a racist and then ran to his crying room and hid as soon as Joe Biden called him on it.
00:11:55.000So Cory Booker put out a statement about Joe Biden.
00:11:57.000He said, Vice President Biden's relationships with proud segregationists are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people and for everyone.
00:12:04.000perpetuate white supremacy, and strip black Americans of our very humanity.
00:12:09.000Vice President Biden's relationships with proud segregationists are not the model for how we make America a safer and more inclusive place for black people and for everyone.
00:12:16.000I have to tell Vice President Biden, as someone I respect, he is wrong for using his relationships with Eastland and Talmadge as examples of how to bring our country together.
00:12:23.000And frankly, I'm disappointed he hasn't issued an immediate apology for the pain his words are dredging up for many Americans.
00:12:43.000If you're not suggesting that he is a closet segregationist, or has closet segregationist sympathies, or that he's treating segregation and segregationists with too kind a hand, and that that has nothing to do with racism, then what exactly is the complaint?
00:13:03.000We'll get to Joe Biden's response, what the rest of the Democrats had to say about this, what exactly they're trying to do, and why Joe Biden, frankly, is suffering from a bit of schadenfreude.
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00:14:21.000Okay, so Cory Booker comes after Joe Biden.
00:14:23.000And it's not just Cory Booker, obviously.
00:14:25.000It's also Bernie Sanders, who is fading in the polling, desperately trying to grasp with all of his socialist might, all of the might left in the tips of those pudding stained fingers.
00:14:36.000He's trying to grip onto whatever level of support he still has.
00:14:39.000So Joe Biden, so Joe Biden attacked by Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders with block of wood, Chris Cuomo.
00:14:45.000Look, we all have to work with people with whom we have very different points of view.
00:15:24.000You weren't saying that like five seconds ago when he was vice president of the United States.
00:15:27.000Very, very odd to see all these Democrats suddenly realizing that old Joe is a vicious racist.
00:15:34.000As I say, there's some schadenfreude to this.
00:15:36.000I mean, it was Joe Biden who was calling Mitt Romney a vicious racist five minutes ago, based on literally nothing, because Joe Biden is just as scuzzy a politician as all the rest of these, as all the rest of these dolts.
00:15:46.000Here is Joe Biden doing this routine back in 2012.
00:15:49.000Look at their budget and what they're proposing.
00:15:51.000Romney wants to let the, he said in the first hundred days, he's going to let the big banks once again, write their own rules.
00:16:09.000So he deserves everything that he is getting on just a cosmic level.
00:16:12.000But it is kind of hilarious to watch, and sad in the sense that if you like truth, it's sad, to watch these Democrats pile on Biden for making the fairly innocuous remark that a bunch of people, he was taking an extreme example.
00:16:23.000The example doesn't work if he says, you know who I agreed with a lot, John McCain, and then we made deals.
00:16:42.000How am I the Joe Biden defender today?
00:16:45.000Because I still care a little bit about honesty, and Democratic candidates don't, apparently.
00:16:48.000So Senator Kamala Harris, who is also black and also running for president and also cynical, said, if those men had their way, I wouldn't be in the United States Senate and on this elevator right now.
00:16:57.000She's talking about Senators Eastland and Talmadge.
00:17:35.000Now, Joe, and by the way, the most extreme folks, of course, are the woke scolds on the left who come for Joe Biden.
00:17:42.000Dan Savage, who is just a disgusting human being.
00:17:45.000I mean, Dan Savage is the worst in a variety of ways.
00:17:48.000A man so gross that he once volunteered for the Gary Bauer campaign in 2000.
00:17:52.000And because he hated Gary Bauer, when he obtained the flu, Dan Savage, he decided to go around licking the doorknobs in the office so as to give all of the other staffers the flu.
00:18:01.000So Dan Savage, who is now the voice of tolerance, Apparently.
00:18:06.000He runs one of these anti-bullying groups, even though he is one of the bigger bullies in modern media.
00:18:11.000He tweeted out, What a kind, anti-bullying guy Dan Savage is.
00:18:13.000had a racist bone in your body when you were just sucking a dead segregationist bleep.
00:18:16.000What a kind anti-bullying guy Dan Savage is.
00:18:22.000My favorite part of this is when there was an MSNBC anchor yesterday talking about all of this, and the MSNBC anchor called all of the segregationist senators Republicans.
00:18:31.000And MSNBC has issued no apology or correction, by the way.
00:18:47.000Well, there was another problem, which is that they were both Democrats.
00:18:49.000But, you know, I guess MSNBC doesn't care about that sort of stuff.
00:18:52.000OK, so Cory Booker says what he says, and he is leading the charge here because Cory Booker is desperately trying to wrest away control of some segment of the black vote, particularly in southern primaries like South Carolina, away from Joe Biden.
00:19:05.000And Joe Biden responds exactly how Joe Biden should respond, frankly.
00:19:08.000I mean, Joe Biden should say he should have responded this way on the Hyde Amendment.
00:19:11.000Joe Biden's entire appeal right now is with the moderate and conservative segments of the Democratic Party, which, yes, does still exist.
00:19:17.000If you look at the polls right now, he is extraordinarily narrowly leading the rest of the field among liberals.
00:19:23.000It's like 25 to 24 over people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
00:19:27.000OK, but when it comes to when it comes to moderate voters in the Democratic Party, conservative voters, he's up on the rest of the field by a margin of 30 points.
00:19:36.000If he starts to fade because he starts to kowtow on things like the Hyde Amendment, if he kowtows here, then he's admitting guilt and he can't do that and he shouldn't do that.
00:19:44.000So Joe Biden responds, in my opinion, particularly appropriately here.
00:19:49.000You're not allowed to do this, by the way, according to the media.
00:19:51.000If you slap at Cory Booker so that they have this catch 22, Cory Booker effectively implies that you are secretly a racist or two kinds of racists.
00:19:58.000And then you respond the way Biden does.
00:20:00.000And then they call you a racist for responding to Cory Booker.
00:20:35.000There are people who know him going back to his days in Newark, where he was pretending to cultivate bipartisan relationships, which he abandoned as soon as he became a senator from New Jersey.
00:20:43.000He has shifted his positions on a wide variety of issues.
00:21:50.000And whether I'm running for president or not, as many people today have been, on Juneteenth no less, calling out for the vice president to acknowledge that his words were harmful and hurtful.
00:22:25.000Biden's spokesperson came out yesterday and talked about this as well, pointed that there's a need to done Biden campaign surrogate and former Obama staffer very early on in his in his campaign in 2008.
00:22:35.000And she points out that both Booker and Elizabeth Warren, who also attacked Biden over this, have touted their work with GOP senators in the past, which is all that Biden was doing here.
00:22:43.000But again, this is a cynical ploy to separate Biden from a black base of support.
00:22:49.000I work all the time with members of the other party whose positions are repugnant to all of us as Democrats.
00:22:58.000You know, Cory Booker, who has worked with Jeff Sessions on many things.
00:23:02.000Elizabeth Warren talks about how she's worked with Chuck Grassley, who led the fight for Brett Kavanaugh, and who wouldn't even meet with Merrick Garland.
00:23:10.000And Elizabeth Warren tells the story about how she has worked with Chuck Grassley for over-the-counter hearing aids to save money for people.
00:23:17.000The reality is that at some point— But none of these people are currently espousing segregationist views.
00:23:22.000OK, so Anita Dunn getting just raked over the coals for all of this, and the media going out and really digging up as much material as they possibly can on Joe Biden now.
00:23:52.000I think Joe Biden is just as cynical as many of the politicians attacking him today.
00:23:55.000What I do hate is people who are lying.
00:23:57.000And what we are watching right now are a bunch of people who are telling deliberate lies about Joe Biden, specifically because they are looking to open a racial gap.
00:24:04.000Reopening racial gaps in the country to suggest that America is rife with racism to get ahead politically is one of the ugliest aspects of our politics right now.
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00:25:25.000Okay, so speaking of reopening racial wounds deliberately in order to make political hay, the entire Democratic Party is now engaged in this process.
00:25:34.000They're reopening racial wounds by talking about slavery reparations.
00:25:38.000Now, I think we can all acknowledge and in fact fought a giant war to acknowledge that slavery was a grave evil.
00:25:44.000I think that everyone acknowledges at this point in American life, 50 years after the Civil Rights Act, I think everyone acknowledges that Jim Crow Was deeply evil.
00:26:43.000The only reason to discuss this is to imply that people who oppose slavery reparations don't do so on the basis of impracticality or the immorality of slavery reparations.
00:26:52.000They do so on the basis of pure, unadulterated racism because they don't take the legacy of racism and slavery seriously enough.
00:26:59.000That's the implication Democrats are trying to draw here, which is why I think that they were having congressional hearings on an issue that is never going anywhere.
00:27:07.000That's why they did this because they had congressional hearings yesterday.
00:27:09.000Now, let me just point out that among the brutal, vicious racists who once opposed slavery reparations is Barack Obama.
00:27:16.000Here's Barack Obama circa 2008 being asked about slavery reparations.
00:27:19.000Every single Democratic candidate Opposed slavery reparations in 2008, except for Dennis Kucinich, who is considered a nutjob because he is a nutjob.
00:27:28.000Here's Barack Obama answering the question.
00:27:30.000Senator Obama, your position on reparations?
00:27:33.000I think the reparations we need right here in South Carolina is investment, for example, in our schools.
00:27:39.000I did a town hall meeting in Florence, South Carolina, in an area called the Corridor of Shame.
00:27:46.000They've got buildings that students are trying to learn in that were built right after the Civil War.
00:27:51.000And we've got teachers who are not trained to teach the subjects they're teaching in, high dropout rates.
00:27:59.000We've got to understand that there are corridors of shame all across the country.
00:28:03.000And if we make the investments and understand that those are our children, that's the kind of reparations that are really going to make a difference.
00:28:10.000Okay, so it used to be okay to say this sort of stuff.
00:28:14.000It used to be fine to say this sort of thing.
00:28:42.000There's nothing that makes Cory Booker an expert on reparations.
00:28:45.000There's nothing that makes Cory Booker an expert on slavery.
00:28:47.000There's nothing that makes Cory Booker an expert on the wealth gap.
00:28:50.000There's nothing that makes Cory Booker an expert on any of these topics.
00:28:52.000And yet he ends up in front of the House committee where he basically gets to do a presidential stump speech about how America is inherently and brutally racist.
00:29:06.000And I feel a sense of anger where we are in the United States of America, where we have not had direct conversations about a lot of the root causes of the inequities and the pain and the hurt manifested in economic disparities, manifested in health disparities, manifested in a criminal justice system that is indeed a form of new Jim Crow.
00:29:28.000And so we as a nation have not yet truly acknowledged and grappled with racism and white supremacy that has tainted this country's founding and continues to persist in those deep racial disparities and inequalities today.
00:30:04.000That's the line that Cory Booker is going with?
00:30:06.000We'll get to Ta-Nehisi Coates, who was also called to testify because he wrote a very purple essay for The Atlantic a few years back about slavery reparations.
00:30:13.000The entire essay was basically him describing how evil slavery was.
00:30:40.000We've been having these conversations.
00:30:41.000I'm bewildered by folks who say we have not been having these conversations.
00:30:45.000Of course we've been having the conversations.
00:30:47.000Just because people disagree with you on policy doesn't mean the conversation hasn't taken place.
00:30:52.000We'll get to more of this in just a second.
00:30:53.000We'll get to Ta-Nehisi Coates' commentary, which is very much like Cory Booker's commentary, the idea being that slavery is responsible and Jim Crow is responsible for all disparity between black and white income and wealth in America and therefore reparations are necessary.
00:31:07.000We'll get to why this is not actually factually true.
00:32:19.000We're gonna talk about whether it is the same thing to deserve a reparation as it is to actually suggest that a reparation would be helpful, which is kind of a separate question.
00:32:29.000We'll get to all of that in just a second.
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00:34:51.000All righty, so Ta-Nehisi Coates also stops by again, famous because he's written a bunch of very purple books that are basically bad James Baldwin knockoffs.
00:35:09.000Like, the thing about James Baldwin is dude was actually a really talented writer.
00:35:12.000Ta-Nehisi Coates, I think, is one of the more overrated writers and muddy thinkers in America right now.
00:35:17.000I just think that his thinking is messy and muddy and chaotic.
00:35:21.000There are a lot of thinkers like that at the New York Times, and Ta-Nehisi Coates, not at the New York Times, also a muddy thinker.
00:35:26.000In any case, Ta-Nehisi Coates steps up in front of the committee, and you'll see him basically wrap everything into a ball.
00:35:57.000It was 150 years ago, and it was right now.
00:36:01.000The typical black family in this country has one-tenth the wealth of the typical white family.
00:36:05.000Black women die in childbirth at four times the rate of white women.
00:36:09.000And there is, of course, the shame of this land of the free, boasting the largest prison population on the planet, of which the descendants of the enslaved make up the largest share.
00:36:20.000The matter of reparations is one of making amends and direct redress.
00:36:26.000But it is also a question of citizenship.
00:36:29.000In HR 40, this body has a chance to both make good on its 2009 apology for enslavement and reject fair weather patriotism.
00:36:38.000Okay, so him wrapping up all of these statistics here, you know, trying to suggest that the difference between black women dying in childbirth and white women dying in childbirth, that that is a reflection of slavery or Jim Crow.
00:36:49.000They didn't have slavery or Jim Crow for a long time over in Europe.
00:36:55.000And in Europe, the black and white birth rates, death during birth rates are very similar to the United States.
00:37:01.000So there's just not a lot of evidence to support all that.
00:37:04.000So basically the argument for reparations is threefold.
00:37:08.000And there's some, and we'll talk about sort of the merits and demerits of each of these arguments, because I think that it is worthy of examination since we are talking about it.
00:37:14.000So, number one, there is this idea that there are folks who are living today who deserve recompense for things that are done 150 years ago.
00:37:26.000If somebody hasn't done anything to you in your lifetime, you do not deserve recompense for that.
00:37:30.000If somebody has done something to you now, you deserve recompense to that.
00:37:32.000So, I have a lot of sympathy for the idea that if you are a person who lived during the Jim Crow South, and you were deprived of the ability to buy a house, then at least there's a feeling that you deserve some sort of recompense from the people who are trying to harm you.
00:37:44.000But you have to have been specifically harmed.
00:38:10.000Instead, what is being done is to broaden that concept out to the idea that if you are black in America, just inherently, right now, you don't have to show any evidence that you were specifically targeted by Jim Crow or by slavery.
00:38:22.000You can't by slavery because it's been a while.
00:38:24.000And Jim Crow, it's hard to say that Jim Crow has targeted you when you were born in 2002, for example.
00:38:29.000But the idea is that every disparity is due to this sort of discrimination and therefore a broad-based solution is the answer.
00:38:36.000Well in a second, I'm going to explain how much of the wealth gap, we're going to try and estimate how much of the wealth gap is due to slavery and Jim Crow and how much is not.
00:38:45.000So that matters only in the sense that if you are trying to determine You know, whether slavery and Jim Crow are really responsible for the entire difference in economic performance and economic wealth between black and white, you should actually examine the statistics.
00:38:59.000You can't just throw out every disparity and suggest that that is due to underlying discrimination.
00:39:03.000Also, as a corollary, very important to note, That disparities exist within every group.
00:39:09.000Discrimination has happened to a bevy of groups in the United States.
00:39:12.000People in the United States are not talking about reparations for the Chinese who were viciously discriminated against when they came to the United States.
00:39:19.000Reparations are not being talked about for Jews who are barred from a lot of the same places that blacks were barred from for many decades in the United States.
00:39:26.000Reparations are not talked about For a wide variety of groups that have been discriminated against in the United States.
00:39:31.000And the reason those reparations aren't talked about is because to bring history forward and then suggest that as a descendant of somebody who was discriminated against, you are therefore owed something by a descendant of somebody who discriminated.
00:39:41.000I never quote the Bible, but I think the Bible happens to be correct on the proposition that you don't make a child pay for the sins of their parents.
00:39:50.000That is a recipe for a society that is disastrous in its ability to actually heal wounds.
00:39:58.000But let's talk about the wealth gap issue.
00:40:00.000So yesterday on my radio show, I talked specifically about the wealth gap.
00:40:04.000I said some of the wealth gap is inherently due to slavery and Jim Crow, and much of the wealth gap is not due to slavery and Jim Crow.
00:40:10.000This apparently is enough for Media Matters to clip me out of context and suggest that I'm saying that the entire wealth gap is due Okay, Coleman Hughes, who was called to testify by the Republicans yesterday in the slavery reparations hearing.
00:40:31.000He testified about slavery reparations, and then he was insulted for it.
00:40:34.000Here's what he had to say, and then we're gonna go through the reason he was actually called, which is that he's done a very solid analysis, dating back to July 2018, of exactly how we should view the wealth gap in the United States.
00:40:45.000Reparations, by definition, are only given to victims.
00:40:49.000So the moment you give me reparations, you've made me into a victim without my consent.
00:40:55.000The question is not what America owes me by virtue of my ancestry.
00:41:00.000The question is what all Americans owe each other by virtue of being citizens of the same nation.
00:41:08.000And the obligation of citizenship is not transactional.
00:41:50.000But certainly black folks in America, they would like them to feel like victims, even though the philosophy of being a victim of America is one of the chief obstacles to achievement in America.
00:42:00.000And when I talk about individual choice and how you can rise from poverty, I think that's a fairly inspiring message, a lot more inspiring than America owes you a check because your great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was a slave, or because your grandfather suffered in Jim Crow Alabama.
00:42:15.000It seems to me a better message to suggest not that your neighbor in your dorm room at Harvard owes you a check because of the color of his skin and the color of your skin.
00:42:25.000It seems like a better message to say, make these decisions that are good and you will rise out of poverty.
00:42:30.000Let's start with, let's try and break this down.
00:42:32.000So the argument number one is that certain people deserve reparations.
00:42:35.000Again, I think if you were specifically harmed, then there's an argument that you deserve something.
00:42:41.000So you deserve it from the people who discriminated against you, presumably, not from their grandkids, who did not discriminate against you.
00:42:47.000Number two, just because there's a vast wealth gap, does not mean that that entire wealth gap, or your personal situation, is a result of discrimination.
00:42:56.000On a broad level, some of it is, just on average.
00:42:59.000But that doesn't mean that all of it is, or that your specific situation is.
00:43:03.000So Coleman Hughes, who was ripped up and down for this, Ray Sani, who writes for HBO, tweeted out that it was fine to call Coleman Hughes a C-word.
00:43:22.000As do, by the way, one third of black Americans.
00:43:24.000And then Jamel Bowie of the New York Times, always tolerant, always kind, he tweets out, Will the Republican members of the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties have anyone serious speaking against reparations?
00:43:35.000Or will they just invite Candace Owens to do her thing again?
00:43:39.000Well, Coleman Hughes actually is a serious human who has written a serious analysis of the wealth gap.
00:43:46.000He talks about the fact that he has a long, long piece in which he talks about slavery and American prosperity.
00:43:55.000He says that the factor offered as an explanation for the wealth gap is the exclusion of blacks from a set of New Deal policies designed to promote home ownership, income growth, and wealth accrual.
00:44:04.000After World War II, whites received the vast majority of government-backed mortgage loans.
00:44:07.000By the time the civil rights gains of the 60s made those loans available to blacks, it was too late.
00:44:11.000The crucial economic boon of the previous two decades, during which housing values rapidly appreciated had already passed, blacks, reeling from the effects of redlining and income suppression, couldn't enter the housing market at its new prices.
00:44:23.000Wealth, in the form of property and inheritances, became a birthright for whites, and blacks were trapped in poverty.
00:44:28.000Coleman Hughes says, this story, though based in truth, has been massaged to give the false impression that benevolence from the state is a prerequisite for wealth accrual.
00:44:37.000The account even contains some factual errors.
00:44:40.000It is true that the median income of white men more than tripled between 1939 and 1960, but the median income of black men more than quintupled during that same period.
00:44:49.000Between 1940 and 1960, the black poverty rate fell from 87% to 47% before any significant civil rights gains were made.
00:44:58.000Also, the fact is that there have been other groups discriminated against.
00:45:02.000Starting with the California Alien Land Law of 1913, 14 states passed laws preventing Japanese-American peasant farmers from owning land and property.
00:45:12.000There's not a lot of talk about reparations to Japanese Americans over all of that, specifically because Asian Americans overperform in terms of income and wealth accrual.
00:45:19.000He says historical racism can't explain wealth disparities between groups of the same race, either.
00:45:24.000A 2015 survey of wealth in Boston found that the median black household had only $8 of wealth.
00:45:30.000But the $8 figure only pertained to black Bostonians of American ancestry, black Bostonians of Caribbean ancestry, had $12,000 of wealth, despite having identical rates of college graduation, only slightly higher incomes, and being equally black in the same city.
00:45:44.000He says there's a kernel of truth to the idea that the wealth gap is historically based.
00:45:50.000But that doesn't mean that the vast majority of the wealth gap is attributable to historical discrimination.
00:45:59.000So that's what Coleman Hughes writes about and he gets ripped up and down for all this.
00:46:02.000The second contention of the slavery reparations advocates is that this is going to heal wounds.
00:46:07.000I ask you, is it really going to heal wounds to make white people who had nothing to do with slavery pay black people who were never enslaved?
00:47:19.000A lot of people couldn't pay those subprime mortgages and the mortgage market melted down.
00:47:24.000The government is not always the solution to a historic problem.
00:47:27.000So there are all sorts of problems here.
00:47:28.000Not one of these problems that I am pointing out is in any way downplaying the evils of slavery or Jim Crow.
00:47:35.000But none of this conversation is honest from folks on the left.
00:47:37.000The conversation is simply that if you don't agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates on slavery reparations, then you also must not agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates that slavery was bad.
00:48:12.000The Emancipation Proclamation shifted the nature of the Civil War from a battle about reunifying the Union to a battle about the abolition of slavery.
00:48:20.000He was urged by his own cabinet not to announce it until after a victorious battle.
00:48:25.000He did wait until after a victorious battle.
00:48:27.000And then he threatened the South in late September 1862 that if they did not come back to the table, he would issue the Emancipation Proclamation.
00:48:37.000He said, whereas on the 22nd day of September, in the year of our Lord, 1,862, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States containing, among other things, the following to it, that on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord, 1,863, all persons held as slaves within any state or designated part of a state, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free.
00:49:00.000And the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such persons and will do no act or acts to repress such persons or any of them in any efforts they may make for their actual freedom.
00:49:15.000That the executive will on the first day of January by proclamation designate the states and parts of states, if any, in which the people thereof respectively shall then be in rebellion against the United States and the fact that any state or the people thereof shall on that day be in good faith represented in Congress of the United States by members Shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such state and the people thereof are not then in rebellion against the United States.
00:49:37.000Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, in time of actual armed rebellion against the authority and government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord, 1863,
00:49:57.000And in accordance with my purpose, so to do publicly proclaim for the full period of 100 days from the first day aforementioned, order and designate as the states and parts of states wherein the people thereof respectively are in this day rebellion against the United States, and then he names all of the various principalities and states that are in rebellion.
00:50:14.000He says, by virtue of the power and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all persons held as slaves within said designated states and parts of states are and henceforward shall be free.
00:50:25.000that the executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said persons.
00:50:31.000And I hereby enjoin upon the people so declared to be free to abstain from all violence, unless in necessary self-defense.
00:50:37.000And I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.
00:50:45.000He says, I further declare and make known that such persons of suitable condition will be received into the armed service of the United States.
00:50:51.000So he's gonna say that black folks could serve in the Union Army.
00:50:54.000As upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind and the gracious favor of Almighty God.
00:51:05.000Now, one of the things that this was really important in doing, the Emancipation Proclamation, was keeping the Brits out of the war.
00:51:10.000So there's a lot of talk about the British entering the war on behalf of the Confederacy in order to split apart the United States.
00:51:16.000The Emancipation Proclamation, by transforming the war from a war of unification, a war on the Confederacy, into a war in favor of abolishing slavery, Basically kept the Brits out.
00:51:26.000It basically kept the Europeans out because they were opposed to slavery and so now they would be on the side of an evil institution rather than the side of a of a rebelling part of a nation.
00:51:38.000A deeply important moment in American history and a transformative moment in American history that we should certainly all celebrate.
00:51:50.000I mean, we have a monument to a president who we have a massive monument to a president who was able to mobilize a population to fight a war on behalf of freeing a subject people, people who are enslaved and brutalized.
00:52:06.000And the fact that the United States has not always lived up to its commitment to its highest ideals, that does not mean that the American people have not sought to do so on a broad level, or that now the American people are guilty for the sins that have been committed in the past.
00:52:21.000If we want to live with each other, if we actually want to come together and lead better lives, then reopening wounds by grouping people according to race and suggesting that people who are not guilty for sins pay other people who didn't directly suffer from those sins, that's a very bad way of doing this.
00:52:38.000It's unconstitutional, it's illegal, and it's negative.
00:52:41.000We should all be able to celebrate the legacy of the Emancipation Proclamation together, frankly.
00:52:45.000Okay, time for some things that I hate.
00:52:51.000So, it is pretty impressive how Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez has been able to escape censure from her own party.
00:52:57.000As I said yesterday, I am just waiting for AOC, the estimable, brilliant AOC, to announce that the earth is flat so that we can hear the media's explanation of why actually she is correct, why actually she is right.
00:53:10.000Well, it's funny to watch everybody treat her as a child.
00:53:13.000I mean, other Democrats literally treat her as a child.
00:53:16.000So there's one representative who yesterday was asked about her statements that the detention centers on the border are actually concentration camps, like Holocaust-like concentration camps.
00:53:29.000And Representative Henry Queller, who is a representative for Texas's 28th congressional district, he was asked about this.
00:53:36.000And he explained that AOC just uses words differently than other humans.
00:53:40.000Her comparison to the Holocaust, and especially ending it by saying, never again.
00:53:48.000Well, again, without due respect to her, she has a different usage of words and certainly maybe a different perception.
00:54:17.000Remember when Nancy Pelosi said the same thing about Ilhan Omar?
00:54:20.000So Ilhan Omar's a vicious anti-Semite.
00:54:21.000And Nancy Pelosi said exactly the same thing about Ilhan Omar.
00:54:25.000She said, oh, you know, the thing is that she just uses words differently than other humans.
00:54:29.000The incident that happened was, I don't think our colleague is anti-semitic.
00:54:34.000I think she has a different experience in the use of words, doesn't understand that some of them are fraught with meaning that she didn't realize.
00:54:43.000But nonetheless, that we had to address.
00:54:48.000You know, one of the things I love right now is how this new class of freshman Democrats, they are being treated like my three-year-old son.
00:54:53.000I appreciate the enthusiasm, but stop running into walls.
00:55:03.000This is why English should be the official language of the United States.
00:55:06.000Mainly so that people who already speak English should use words the way that humans use words so that we can understand the words that they use.
00:55:12.000Don't tell me that AOC didn't know what she was saying.
00:55:14.000She knew exactly what she was saying, and then she was upset that she said it, and so she lied about it.
00:55:18.000And the same thing is true of Ilhan Omar.
00:55:20.000She knew exactly what she was saying, and then people objected.
00:55:22.000And then the Democrats came to her defense by pretending that she's a small child.
00:55:26.000It really is pretty demeaning, frankly.
00:55:29.000And then Nancy Pelosi was asked yesterday about AOC's ridiculous concentration camp remarks, and here was her explanation.
00:55:34.000It's all Republicans pouncing everywhere.
00:55:36.000These members of Congress are, they come and represent their district and their point of view, and they take responsibility for the statements that they make.
00:55:47.000I'm not up to date on her most recent one.
00:55:49.000I saw something in the news, but I, no, I haven't spoken to her about that.
00:55:53.000I do have some comments to make to my caucus, writ large, about the political nature of Oh, it's the Republicans pouncing is the issue.
00:57:14.000After being criticized, Ocasio-Cortez tried to make a distinction between concentration camps and Nazi death camps, where the industrialized mass slaughter of the Holocaust occurred.
00:57:23.000Fair enough, but Congresswoman, tens of thousands were also brutalized, tortured, starved, and ultimately died in concentration camps.
00:58:25.000And he says, almost as unfortunate as the fact that you spent this whole time without discussing DHS freezers, dog pounds, missing children, human rights abuses that uphold use of this term.
00:58:56.000So I assume this is the same one where she suggested that the Holocaust was happening on our Southern border.
00:59:02.000In the same video, she also had some points to make about socialism that are so wildly untrue that I'm looking forward to seeing how the media spin them.
00:59:09.000A lot of people think about capitalism and they're like, oh, capitalism, that means businesses, right?