The Ben Shapiro Show - July 30, 2018


Path To 2018 | Ep. 591


Episode Stats

Length

49 minutes

Words per Minute

211.25041

Word Count

10,559

Sentence Count

780

Misogynist Sentences

13

Hate Speech Sentences

9


Summary

As the 2018 election approaches, both parties prepare to prepare for the mid-term elections, President Trump takes on the New York Times, and the Mueller blowback continues. Ben Shapiro explains why Rudy Giuliani has two jobs: exonerate his man, Michael Cohen, and try to make sure that President Trump doesn t get in trouble with the special counsel investigating him. Plus, Ben explains why Trump should have been on national TV over the weekend, and why he's not going to get much of a head start on the 2020 midterms unless he s willing to go on national television to prove his loyalty to the president. And, of course, who's going to believe Michael Cohen anyway? Who do you believe? Ben Shapiro: Do you believe him or do you think he's a pathological liar? The answer to that question is simple: who do you trust, and which one is more likely to be correct? Guests: Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and former FBI Director Michael Cohen. Former FBI Director Robert Mueller. President Trump's lawyer, Michael Avenatti. Michael Cohen's attorney, Robert Klay Thompson. Chief White House Correspondent, Sean Hannity. Robert Downey Jr. and his wife, Stephanie Grgurich. Special Agent in charge of the Mueller investigation, Jillian Kilgariff. Senior White House Counselor, Sean Rowan. . Chief of the National Security Adviser, Mike McCarty. Director of the Joint Improving Relationships with the Justice Department, Sean Preet Bharara Senior Counselor and Chief Strategist, John Dowell, James McCarty, and Chief of Staff, Patrick Downey, John Avray, and others, and others And so on and so on, and so much more! Thanks to Ben Shapiro, Ben Shapiro and Ben Shapiro. The Weekly Standard The Daily Beast, The Daily Caller, The Hill, and The Daily Wire, The Weekly Beast, and Rachel Maddow the Weekly Standard, The Hollywood Reporter, The Huffington Post, The Wrap, The New York Post, and ABC News, The Wall Street Journal, The Associated Press, and other media, The Washington Post, the Hollywood Reporter and The New Yorker, and Rolling Stone, among many other publications, among others. , and The Hill and The Hollywood Insider, and many others! and many other media outlets, for their coverage of the scandal.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 As the 2018 election approaches, both parties prepare, President Trump takes on the New York Times, and the Mueller blowback continues.
00:00:06.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:00:07.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:13.000 Well, I hope you had a wonderful weekend.
00:00:14.000 I actually had a wonderful weekend.
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00:01:34.000 All right, so.
00:01:35.000 It was a busy weekend, not only for me, but for Rudolph J. Giuliani.
00:01:39.000 I don't actually know what his middle initial is.
00:01:41.000 But in any case, Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York, he is now President Trump's personal attorney.
00:01:46.000 And he was on national television over the weekend and on Monday morning talking about the president of the United States and Michael Cohen.
00:01:52.000 Now, as you recall, when last we left our compelling narrative, Michael Cohen, the president's other former personal attorney, he had been arrested, well, not really arrested, but raided by the FBI.
00:02:03.000 The FBI had gone into his office.
00:02:05.000 They'd found all sorts of recordings.
00:02:06.000 And then Michael Kahn had begun to sing like a bird in the press.
00:02:09.000 He had gone out there and suggested that the president of the United States had, in fact, paid off a bunch of women.
00:02:13.000 He had tapes to prove it.
00:02:14.000 And then he suggested that President Trump knew about a 2016, June 2016 meeting between Donald Trump Jr.
00:02:21.000 and members of the Trump campaign, and this woman named Natalia Veselnitskaya, who is a Russian hired lawyer,
00:02:26.000 Who is supposed to be a go-between, supposedly, between the Russian government and the Trump campaign.
00:02:30.000 And Cohen says Trump knew about this.
00:02:32.000 Now, he has no tapes to prove it, but we're supposed to believe Michael Cohen anyway.
00:02:35.000 Which would be fine, except that Michael Cohen is a pathological liar, but so is everybody else, apparently.
00:02:40.000 Like, this is the problem with politics.
00:02:41.000 Pretty much everybody's a pathological liar.
00:02:43.000 So, who do you believe?
00:02:45.000 And the answer is, you really shouldn't believe anybody, but I will say that Rudy Giuliani
00:02:49.000 He's in an awkward position because now he's the president's personal attorney on the Mueller investigation and the Cohen matters.
00:02:55.000 And Giuliani has two jobs.
00:02:57.000 One is to try and exonerate his man, right, to make sure that President Trump doesn't get in trouble that he ought not be in.
00:03:02.000 And two is to perform for President Trump.
00:03:04.000 And that's not the easiest job because President Trump likes performative people.
00:03:08.000 He likes people who go out there and do these kind of loyalty shows on national TV.
00:03:11.000 We know this about President Trump.
00:03:14.000 He's a guy who enjoys the visual.
00:03:15.000 And so this has been true since the beginning of his administration.
00:03:18.000 People in his administration say, and have said, that when they want to talk to President Trump, what they try to do is go on national TV, on a show they know he is watching, and then talk to him that way, because he likes to watch the telly.
00:03:30.000 So, Rudy Giuliani was on the telly, and he was talking about Michael Cohen.
00:03:34.000 And what he had to say about Michael Cohen, it may be good, it may be entertaining for President Trump, but it's not great for public relations.
00:03:40.000 If you're trying to make sure that your client looks innocent, you probably shouldn't say stuff like this.
00:03:44.000 Turned out to have a close friend betray him.
00:03:48.000 Like, uh...
00:03:50.000 Like Iago betrayed Othello, and Brutus put the last knife into Caesar.
00:03:55.000 Okay, so he's going with the full Shakespeare references right there.
00:03:58.000 Iago betraying Othello, and Brutus taking the last knife to Caesar.
00:04:01.000 There are a couple of problems with this particular analogy.
00:04:04.000 One, Iago succeeded in destroying Othello, and also Brutus succeeded in killing Caesar.
00:04:09.000 So if he's likening Iago and Brutus to Michael Cone, what he's basically saying is Michael Cone's gonna take down the President of the United States.
00:04:16.000 Well, that's not so great.
00:04:18.000 Also, just this kind of vitriolic back and forth is not useful.
00:04:21.000 Like having your lawyer out there saying, listen, Michael Cohen has a long history of dishonesty.
00:04:26.000 Michael Cohen has described himself as loyal to the president, as the president's bag man and all this routine.
00:04:31.000 And the media hated him and thought he was dishonest until he flipped.
00:04:33.000 And all of a sudden you guys think he's honest as the day is long.
00:04:36.000 All that would be fine.
00:04:37.000 But the Shakespearean reference is probably not good.
00:04:39.000 And then Rudy Giuliani goes even further.
00:04:40.000 And this is where he gets himself in real hot water.
00:04:43.000 He's talking about President Trump not colluding with the Russians.
00:04:46.000 And then he drops this line.
00:04:47.000 He was never involved in an intimate business relationship with Donald Trump.
00:04:52.000 Four months, they're not going to be colluding about Russians, which I don't even know if that's a crime, colluding about Russians.
00:05:00.000 You start analyzing the crime, the hacking is the crime.
00:05:04.000 Well, that certainly is the original problem.
00:05:06.000 Well, the president didn't hack!
00:05:07.000 Of course not.
00:05:07.000 That's the original problem.
00:05:08.000 He didn't pay them for hacking!
00:05:09.000 Okay, so, the goalposts are now moving, and it's very difficult to see this playing well in the public sphere.
00:05:18.000 Because when you've got your personal lawyer going out there, and the goalposts move from, he didn't collude, to, even if he did collude, it's not a crime, people start to think, well, did he?
00:05:27.000 Or didn't he?
00:05:28.000 Here's the thing.
00:05:29.000 Giuliani isn't wrong.
00:05:30.000 I've gone through the statutes with regard to collusion.
00:05:33.000 There's no actual statute on collusion.
00:05:34.000 There are statutes about conspiracy.
00:05:36.000 There are statutes about campaign finance violations.
00:05:39.000 There are all sorts of statutes that could be implicated if the President of the United States was, in fact, colluding with the Russians in order to shift the results of the 2016 election.
00:05:46.000 There are actual statutes that are on point, but they don't talk about collusion.
00:05:49.000 They talk about a variety of other specific crimes.
00:05:52.000 Collusion is a blanket umbrella term that is supposed to cover a wide variety of activities.
00:05:57.000 So when Giuliani says collusion itself isn't a crime,
00:05:59.000 This is technically true.
00:06:00.000 However, the question is not that.
00:06:02.000 The question is, is it impeachable?
00:06:04.000 OK, is it something where the American people turn on the president of the United States and say, you are guilty of trying to interfere with the election by working with the Russians to do so?
00:06:14.000 Doesn't matter whether there's a criminal trial.
00:06:15.000 The real question is whether the American people decide that they are so sick of all of this that they oust Trump in 2020 or they oust Republicans in 2018 and then impeachment takes place.
00:06:25.000 So when Giuliani says this sort of stuff, it's just not useful.
00:06:27.000 Now, I'm somebody who doesn't believe the president of the United States colluded with the Russians.
00:06:31.000 I don't think that's a thing.
00:06:32.000 I don't see any evidence so far that the President of the United States was working with the Russians, and they were coordinating their activities, and that these coordinated activities, exchanges of information, played any part in the actual election cycle itself.
00:06:44.000 So again, I don't see why Rudy Giuliani is moving on this point, but unfortunately, he's not the only person in Trump's camp who's saying this sort of thing.
00:06:50.000 Chris Christie this morning came out and said exactly the same thing.
00:06:52.000 He was on national TV, and Christie said the same thing.
00:06:54.000 He said, I'm not sure collusion is a crime.
00:06:57.000 Don't shift the goalpost publicly.
00:06:59.000 If the goalpost, like just as a lawyer, okay, putting on my lawyer hat,
00:07:03.000 If I'm arguing for my client, my first argument for my client is my client is innocent.
00:07:07.000 And then if it turns out that my client is guilty of something, my second line of defense is, even if my client is guilty of that, it's not a real crime.
00:07:14.000 But I don't preemptively go to my second defense.
00:07:16.000 I don't preemptively go to, well, I'm not sure collusion is a crime, because this is all a public relations battle.
00:07:21.000 And this is what has bogged down the Trump administration, not the actual criminal proceedings.
00:07:26.000 The actual criminal proceedings take time.
00:07:28.000 They take money.
00:07:29.000 All of the hearings, all of the interviews, all that stuff is expensive.
00:07:32.000 And all that stuff is annoying.
00:07:33.000 But that's not really what's bogged down the administration.
00:07:35.000 What's bogged down the administration is this perception that President Trump is guilty of something.
00:07:41.000 Now, most Americans don't actually believe that President Trump is guilty of something, which is why it's weird that Rudy Giuliani is out there saying that collusion is not a crime.
00:07:49.000 It's just, it's a huge unforced error by Rudy Giuliani.
00:07:54.000 And it doesn't help when the president is tweeting about Robert Mueller.
00:07:56.000 So President Trump continues to tweet about Mueller, and here is what he tweeted over the weekend.
00:08:00.000 He tweeted, Here's the thing.
00:08:17.000 Some of what he's saying here is true.
00:08:20.000 This idea that the Mueller investigation was at least partially reliant on a dossier funded by Hillary Clinton, that's true.
00:08:27.000 But I don't know what the point of this is other than to sound off.
00:08:32.000 Now, listen, Republicans believe President Trump.
00:08:34.000 I think most Americans are relatively, I would say, skeptical of the Mueller investigation.
00:08:41.000 I think rightfully so.
00:08:43.000 But I'm not sure that at this point the president's constant focus on this thing is helping.
00:08:46.000 He also tweeted out, Also, why is Mueller only appointing angry Democrats?
00:08:48.000 Some of whom have worked for Crooked Hillary.
00:08:50.000 Others, including himself, have worked for Obama.
00:08:51.000 And why isn't Mueller looking at all of the criminal activity and real Russian collusion on the Democratic side?
00:08:56.000 Podesta dossier?
00:09:13.000 I think there's some actual real good questions to be asked about the Mueller investigation and why they've not, for example, looked into Podesta, or if they have, how much they have, and if they've looked into the dossier, how much they have done that.
00:09:23.000 But remember, every Republican, including Newt Gingrich, was out there saying that Mueller was honest, an honest man, and now Trump is out there slamming Mueller.
00:09:30.000 The question is, does this make Trump look more innocent or does it make him look more guilty?
00:09:33.000 Now, people who already believe he's innocent are going to say it makes him look more innocent because he's an outraged man.
00:09:37.000 OK, fair enough.
00:09:38.000 But for the vast, moderate, undecided in the middle,
00:09:41.000 Do you really think that they look at tweets like this and Rudy Giuliani's statement and say, this sounds like a guy who's being wrongly maligned?
00:09:48.000 Or do they look at that stuff and say, well, maybe there's something to this?
00:09:50.000 Again, I'm saying this as someone who believes there is not something to this, or at least the evidence has not been shown that there is something to this yet.
00:09:57.000 This is what I find so confusing.
00:09:58.000 I'm not sure I understand the public relations strategy on all of this.
00:10:02.000 And the Republicans are getting involved in this too.
00:10:03.000 It's not just Trump and the Trump administration.
00:10:06.000 Devin Nunes, who's the House Committee Chairman for Intelligence, he came forward and he says that the DOJ and the FBI have been stalling turning over their documents because they hope the GOP will lose the midterms and then they won't have to turn over those documents.
00:10:19.000 So he's going after the DOJ and the FBI.
00:10:21.000 Here is Devin Nunes from California.
00:10:23.000 There's a stall game going on at DOJ and FBI.
00:10:26.000 They're trying to stall as much as they can, hoping and betting that Republicans would lose the House in the fall.
00:10:34.000 OK, so this is all fine.
00:10:36.000 There's only one problem with it.
00:10:37.000 And that is if the president wants to declassify this stuff, he can declassify this stuff now.
00:10:40.000 If it is true, there's this awful conspiracy going on inside the DOJ, inside the FBI.
00:10:46.000 And the president of the United States has an obligation, an obligation to declassify all of this material so we can see what is actually going on here.
00:10:54.000 It's not enough to sit there and complain about Rod Rosenstein and Attorney General Sessions and the head of the FBI.
00:11:02.000 It's not enough to do that.
00:11:04.000 Because first of all, Trump appointed all those people.
00:11:07.000 So if you're really upset about this stuff, then Trump ought to be tweeting less and declassifying more.
00:11:12.000 If we really want to get past all this, tweet less, declassify more.
00:11:16.000 This is my advice.
00:11:17.000 The president doesn't have to take it.
00:11:19.000 He's obviously done well not taking my advice before.
00:11:21.000 But I do think that it would behoove him to recognize that
00:11:25.000 The base that brought him here is not going to be enough to win re-election or necessarily to do well in the 2018 midterm elections.
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00:12:52.000 OK, so.
00:12:54.000 The president is obviously very focused on the Mueller investigation, which I think is a waste of effort.
00:13:00.000 I think it's a waste of effort.
00:13:01.000 The Mueller investigation is going to do what the Mueller investigation is going to do.
00:13:04.000 The president is not going to fire Robert Mueller.
00:13:06.000 The Republicans are not going to impeach Rod Rosenstein.
00:13:08.000 It's a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
00:13:10.000 And in the end, I don't think that Mueller is going to come up with anything anyway.
00:13:14.000 What I really think is going on here, you know, there are a lot of people who say, OK, so then why is Trump so fussy about this?
00:13:18.000 If there's nothing happening, why is Trump so upset?
00:13:20.000 Well, you'd be upset too if somebody suggested that your election victory was not real and that it had been achieved by colluding with a foreign power.
00:13:27.000 But all of that said, the president really is not doing himself any service with his great frustration.
00:13:33.000 A lot of the president's mistakes have been made out of a sense of frustration, and there's no reason he should feel frustrated right now.
00:13:39.000 The economy's doing really well.
00:13:40.000 He's doing fine in the approval ratings.
00:13:42.000 All he ought to be doing is focusing on what is the program for 2018 and beyond, because the polls right now are not looking good for the Republicans in 2018.
00:13:49.000 So how's he gonna turn this thing around with just a few months to go here?
00:13:53.000 Right now, there were two polls last week that came out D plus 12 in the generic congressional ballot.
00:13:58.000 The president has to assert some leadership on all of this.
00:14:01.000 It was funny, over the weekend, there was a story about Barack Obama and Michelle Obama, who are apparently in Europe, partying at a Jay-Z-Beyonce concert, dancing at a Jay-Z-Beyonce concert, and Jake Tapper of CNN got in all sorts of hot water with the left wing, because he suggested that while Obama and Spouse are partying, the Democrats are at low ebb, the lowest ebb they've been since the 1920s, which is true.
00:14:23.000 So why is he partying it up?
00:14:24.000 The same thing could be said right now for the president.
00:14:27.000 Stop focusing so much on Mueller.
00:14:28.000 It's time for you to focus on how exactly you achieve victory in 2018 midterms.
00:14:32.000 Because if you lose the House and you lose the Senate, not only is nothing going to get done in 2018 to 2020, there will be nothing but endless investigations against you.
00:14:40.000 Nothing but endless investigations against Republicans, against Trump himself, against other members of the administration.
00:14:46.000 I mean, you want to ensure that you lose in 2020.
00:14:48.000 An easy way to do that is by not doing enough to win in 2018.
00:14:50.000 2018 is going to have a major impact on 2020.
00:14:52.000 Right now, the Republicans can play rearguard for President Trump.
00:14:55.000 The Republicans can stop President Trump from doing some of the things that would damage his own administration.
00:15:00.000 The Republicans in the House can sort of act as a back shield for the President.
00:15:05.000 But they can't act as a deflector shield for the President if they're in the minority.
00:15:09.000 Well, with all of that said, let's talk about how the president of the United States is going to attempt to affect the midterms.
00:15:13.000 So, President Trump has a strategy.
00:15:15.000 His strategy for the midterms is this.
00:15:17.000 He is going to go full-on immigration.
00:15:21.000 And attacking the media.
00:15:21.000 This is his strategy.
00:15:22.000 So he's not going to pump up the economy.
00:15:24.000 He'll talk about the economy some.
00:15:26.000 He may talk about the Democratic agenda a little bit.
00:15:28.000 But mostly, he is going to be talking about, I think, immigration and the media.
00:15:32.000 Which is the gal that brung him.
00:15:34.000 Let's be real about this.
00:15:35.000 President Trump in 2016, his campaign, if it was won on any two issues, it was you hate the media and the Democrats are too soft on immigration.
00:15:41.000 Those were his two big issues during the campaign.
00:15:43.000 Okay, so, President Trump tweets out on Sunday about the government shutdown, about a government shutdown.
00:15:49.000 He says,
00:16:03.000 And then he continues along these lines, he says accurately, 90% of media coverage of my administration is negative despite the tremendously positive results we are achieving.
00:16:10.000 It is no surprise that confidence in the media is at an all-time low.
00:16:13.000 I will not allow our great country to be sold out by anti-Trump haters in the media, in the dying newspaper industry.
00:16:19.000 No matter how much they try to distract and cover it up, our country is making great progress under my leadership and I will never stop fighting for the American people.
00:16:26.000 As an example, the failing New York Times,
00:16:29.000 Now, I don't think this is a terrible strategy.
00:16:37.000 I'll be real with you.
00:16:42.000 I don't think this is the worst strategy President Trump has ever come up with.
00:16:44.000 I think that there's some effectiveness to this.
00:16:47.000 The reality is that the polls show that Republicans hate the media far more than they hate pretty much anybody else in American life.
00:16:53.000 There's a morning consult poll
00:16:55.000 They came out over the weekend, and what it showed is, who do you trust more, right?
00:16:59.000 Here's the question.
00:16:59.000 Who do you trust more, the national media or President Trump's White House?
00:17:03.000 Republicans, 71% say President Trump's White House.
00:17:06.000 Only 7% say the media.
00:17:07.000 22% say they have no opinion.
00:17:10.000 That is a slight shift in favor of President Trump since the same time last year.
00:17:15.000 Independents say that they don't trust the media.
00:17:17.000 This is the fascinating part.
00:17:19.000 When you think that President Trump is destroying the media, the media are destroying the media.
00:17:22.000 How do you know this?
00:17:23.000 Look at the numbers among independents.
00:17:25.000 So yes, Republicans have shifted dramatically in the direction of the White House as opposed to the media, but look at the numbers on independents.
00:17:31.000 In May 2017,
00:17:34.000 26% of independents said that they believed President Trump more than they believed the media.
00:17:37.000 35% said they believed the media more than President Trump.
00:17:40.000 39% said they didn't know.
00:17:42.000 A year later, 24% said they trust President Trump, so that's a decrease of 2%.
00:17:48.000 32% said they trusted the media, which is a decrease of 3%.
00:17:52.000 And 44% said they didn't know who to trust.
00:17:55.000 Which means that while the media say you ought to trust us, and Trump says you ought to disregard the media, most people are saying, I don't trust either of you folks.
00:18:01.000 Or at least the vast majority of people in the middle.
00:18:05.000 They say, I don't really trust any of you people.
00:18:07.000 And even among Democrats, you're seeing that.
00:18:09.000 Even among Democrats, you're seeing that fewer people trust the media now than they do a year ago.
00:18:13.000 Only 7% of Democrats say they trust President Trump more than they trust the media.
00:18:17.000 63% say they trust the media more than they trust Trump.
00:18:20.000 But that number was 66% last year, and 29% say that they don't know who to trust, which means that more people believe that the media are simply not credible, which demonstrates the poor job that the media have done in staving off President Trump's correct critique of the media, that they are wildly biased against him.
00:18:37.000 Now, President Trump tweets out that all of these outlets are biased against him and he calls them the enemy of the people.
00:18:42.000 And all of this drove Pinch Sulzberger's son, the new Sulzberger who runs the New York Times, to put out a statement about his meeting with the president.
00:18:52.000 So, according to the New York Times, President Donald Trump and the publisher of the New York Times, A.G.
00:18:56.000 Sulzberger, engaged in a fierce public clash Sunday over Trump's threats against journalism after Sulzberger said the president misrepresented a private meeting and Trump accused the Times and other papers of putting lives at risk
00:19:06.000 Sad.
00:19:17.000 And then Silsburger put out a statement.
00:19:18.000 He said he had accepted Trump's invitation for the July 20th meeting, mainly to raise his concerns about the president's deeply troubling anti-press rhetoric.
00:19:25.000 He said, I told the president directly, I thought his language was not just divisive, but increasingly dangerous, is what Silsburger said.
00:19:31.000 I told him that although the phrase fake news is untrue and harmful, I'm far more concerned about his labeling journalists the enemy of the people.
00:19:37.000 I warned that this inflammatory language is contributing to a rise in threats against journalists and will lead to violence.
00:19:42.000 Now, I said months and months and months ago, if the media actually want to regain credibility, the best way to do this is to turn down the rhetoric to two and turn up the fact-checking to ten.
00:19:50.000 That's the best way to do this.
00:19:51.000 Instead, the media have turned up the rhetoric all the way to eleven, and they've turned the fact-checking down to about four.
00:19:55.000 They're spending most of their time showing that they enjoy being in this sort of Rock'em Sock'em Robots mode with the President of the United States.
00:20:02.000 What does that mean?
00:20:02.000 It means really neither of them is winning.
00:20:04.000 But if neither of them is winning, Trump is winning.
00:20:06.000 Because the media rely on trust.
00:20:07.000 President Trump's a politician.
00:20:08.000 He doesn't rely on trust.
00:20:09.000 President Trump relies on policy and policy wins.
00:20:12.000 The media relies solely on trust.
00:20:14.000 So if you trust Trump, great.
00:20:15.000 But if you don't trust the media, terrible for the media.
00:20:17.000 Okay, so in just a second, I want to talk about the other prong of President Trump's 2018 plan.
00:20:22.000 Prong number one is attacking the media.
00:20:24.000 Prong number two is immigration.
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00:21:35.000 OK, so prong number one of President Trump's 2018 plan is attack the media.
00:21:39.000 That will get his base fired up.
00:21:40.000 I'm not sure it's going to get them fired up enough to actually go out to the polls in massive numbers.
00:21:44.000 Prong number two is immigration.
00:21:46.000 And here, the president has it right.
00:21:48.000 The president knows that his base is deeply concerned about the impact of illegal immigration.
00:21:52.000 The president ran on building a wall.
00:21:53.000 There is no wall, and Coulter pretty much every day tweets out that we are now in day whatever it is, 400 of the presidency, and not one foot of wall has been built by the president of the United States.
00:22:03.000 She's very frustrated with that.
00:22:05.000 So the president now says, OK, now's the time.
00:22:07.000 I'm going to go for a government shutdown.
00:22:08.000 He tweets out on Sunday, quote,
00:22:11.000 I'd be willing to shut down government if the Democrats do not give us the votes for border security, which includes the wall, must get rid of lottery, catch and release, etc., and finally go to system of immigration based on merit.
00:22:21.000 We need great people coming into our country.
00:22:23.000 Now, is this a great strategy?
00:22:27.000 Probably not to say it out loud.
00:22:29.000 Would he be right to shut down the government, meaning he's not going to sign any bill that doesn't include border funding?
00:22:34.000 Yeah, I think that he'd be fully within his rights to do that.
00:22:37.000 I think he'd be fully within his rights to do that.
00:22:38.000 I think the president ought to do that a lot more often.
00:22:40.000 He's been signing in trillion-dollar budget packages for the past year, and those packages are garbage.
00:22:45.000 Those packages are giant pork-laden barrels of crap.
00:22:48.000 The president of the United States should exercise that veto pen.
00:22:51.000 And if Mitch McConnell and the Republicans can't get it done, well, then they can't get it done.
00:22:54.000 But the president is fully justified in saying, listen, I want the border funding or I'm not going to sign this.
00:22:58.000 Now, should he be openly talking about, I'm willing to do government shutdown?
00:23:02.000 Probably not.
00:23:03.000 What he really should be saying is, listen, I know the kind of bill I want to sign and Democrats, it's their choice whether to shut it down or not.
00:23:09.000 This is what Obama did and did successfully.
00:23:11.000 Now, Obama, of course, had the help of that compliant media doing his work for him, but
00:23:16.000 The first person to say shutdown is usually the person who is blamed for the shutdown, so that is not particularly a great political tactic.
00:23:22.000 But, is it smart for the president to stand on this particular soapbox?
00:23:26.000 Yeah, I do think that it's smart for him to stand on this particular soapbox.
00:23:30.000 Now, the problem is he's not going to get what he wants, because the Republicans are not going to pass a bill along these lines, and the Democrats are not going to pass a bill along these lines.
00:23:36.000 So then the question becomes, if the president is going to declare a game of chicken, is he actually going to put a brick on the accelerator?
00:23:43.000 Now, one of the things that you do in politics, do a tiny bit of game theory.
00:23:48.000 There's a game in game theory called chicken.
00:23:52.000 Now, the game of chicken, you'll recall from things like Rebel Without a Cause, you see it in movies sometimes, two people basically drive cars directly at each other, and the question is, who's going to turn the wheel first?
00:24:02.000 Whoever turns the wheel first is considered the chicken and loses the game.
00:24:05.000 Well, the way that you win that game, if you are that interested in winning, is you take a brick, you put it on the accelerator, and then you move over into the passenger seat.
00:24:13.000 Because you've now demonstrated to the other guy, I am not turning no matter what.
00:24:16.000 No matter what you do, I've pre-committed.
00:24:18.000 I cannot turn.
00:24:20.000 Well, the president, if he's going to declare a game of chicken, he has to pre-commit.
00:24:23.000 And that means that he has to say, listen, I will veto any bill that doesn't include this provision right here.
00:24:28.000 And then we find out whether the other side is willing to blink or not.
00:24:32.000 He hasn't done that in the past.
00:24:33.000 He's said in the past that he's been willing to do a government shutdown.
00:24:35.000 He hasn't actually been willing to do a government shutdown.
00:24:37.000 And blinking is not a particularly successful strategy.
00:24:40.000 Democrats are pre-committing.
00:24:41.000 They're saying, we're not going to be bullied.
00:24:42.000 So here's Maxine Waters, anti-Maxine, as they call her, saying that she's not going to be bullied into giving the president the funding necessary in order to protect our border.
00:24:49.000 This president is a bully.
00:24:51.000 And he'll try and intimidate all of us.
00:24:54.000 He's not going to shut down anything.
00:24:56.000 American citizens are not going to pay for this wall.
00:24:59.000 He's not going to shut down the government.
00:25:01.000 And we're not going to be intimidated by his bluffing and his bullying.
00:25:05.000 OK, I do appreciate that Anne T. Maxine, a woman who suggested that people be confronted in gas station parking lots.
00:25:11.000 She's calling President Trump a bully, so that's great.
00:25:13.000 But she's not wrong that if you're going to play this game of cards, if you're going to play chicken, you've got to pre-commit.
00:25:18.000 So if the president wants to shut down the government, or rather, if he wants to get what he wants in this bill, then he needs to say, here's what I will veto.
00:25:24.000 And he needs to make clear what he will veto.
00:25:26.000 Now, it's pretty clear the Republicans don't believe him.
00:25:28.000 And this is the problem, right?
00:25:29.000 So Senator Ron Johnson, who was elected as part of the Tea Party, he says, listen, all of this is not particularly helpful, this shutdown threat stuff.
00:25:36.000 I certainly don't like playing shutdown politics.
00:25:39.000 And how damaging would that be for Republicans ahead of the November races?
00:25:44.000 I don't think it'd be helpful, so let's try and avoid it.
00:25:46.000 Okay, so Republicans in Congress are very much afraid of the possibility of a shutdown, but I'm not sure why they should be.
00:25:51.000 And I said this with regard to the last threat by President Trump of a shutdown.
00:25:55.000 I don't know that they should be that scared because, in essence, it's the people who are seen as obstructing the government's workings who are going to be blamed for any sort of government shutdown.
00:26:04.000 And Republicans will get out to the polls for this sort of stuff.
00:26:06.000 Republicans will get out to the polls.
00:26:08.000 I, you know, there was a lot of talk after Ted Cruz was, quote unquote, responsible for a government shutdown back in 2013.
00:26:13.000 This was going to damage Republicans.
00:26:15.000 Republicans won walking away in 2014.
00:26:18.000 All this talk about government shutdowns damaging the, damaging the Republicans.
00:26:22.000 I just, I haven't seen that that's really been true in general.
00:26:26.000 So if President Trump wants to do it, then I say go for it.
00:26:30.000 I just wouldn't signal that you want a government shutdown.
00:26:32.000 I think that what you should say is, listen, here's what I'm willing to veto and here's what I'm not willing to veto.
00:26:36.000 You know, I think that the idea of immigration and media being the two prongs for 2018 are not actually that bad.
00:26:43.000 The other prong obviously has to be the insanity of the left and why these people should never be in charge of anything.
00:26:48.000 The latest reason is because of this.
00:26:50.000 There's a new study out today with regard to Medicare for all.
00:26:53.000 Okay, so this has been the call from insane nutjob Bernie Sanders.
00:26:58.000 So, Bernie Sanders, when he is not stuffing his face with pudding, believes that we ought to have Medicare for all.
00:27:04.000 Now, Medicare is basically a blanket coverage for people who are old, but he wants that now applied to everyone.
00:27:09.000 He essentially wants a government nationalized healthcare system.
00:27:12.000 He says that this will pay for everything, it'll pay for itself.
00:27:15.000 Whenever he's asked, you know, people will ask him, so how do you pay for this, Bernie?
00:27:18.000 He says, that's not important.
00:27:19.000 What's important is that Europe finds a way to pay for all of this.
00:27:22.000 And Europe has fantastic healthcare.
00:27:24.000 Okay, first of all.
00:27:25.000 Europe has 60-65% tax rates.
00:27:28.000 These healthcare systems are bankrupting countries.
00:27:30.000 The fact is that they've had cutbacks in a lot of these areas.
00:27:33.000 They've had to bring in immigrants to simply staff the medical profession in places like the National Health Service in Great Britain.
00:27:40.000 These are all much smaller countries, too.
00:27:42.000 I mean, when he talks about Norway or Denmark, these are places that have a population less than the population of L.A.
00:27:46.000 County alone.
00:27:49.000 Let's put it this way.
00:27:55.000 It's not easy to scale a nationalized healthcare system to a system just on an effectiveness level.
00:28:00.000 Forget about the fact that it is an invasion of people's rights and that it's not my job to pay for your healthcare because your healthcare is yours.
00:28:07.000 It's my job to pay for my health care, my kids' health care, my family's health care.
00:28:10.000 It's my job to help out with people who I want to help out with regard to charity.
00:28:14.000 But it is not my job to pay for your health care because if I'm paying for your health care, that creates a perverse incentive system where you can go make a bunch of decisions that are not great for your health, knowing somebody else is going to pick up the tab and access health services at a faster pace.
00:28:27.000 All of that said, the effectiveness of these healthcare systems abroad, there are a bunch of different types of systems.
00:28:32.000 Everybody sort of thinks that there are two systems.
00:28:33.000 There's the free market system, and then there's the nationalized system.
00:28:36.000 This is not true.
00:28:37.000 There are a bunch of different types of system.
00:28:38.000 The Swiss system is a lot more privatized than, for example, the Nordic system.
00:28:42.000 The Swiss system works great.
00:28:43.000 And the Nordic system works pretty well too.
00:28:46.000 There are differences between how they work.
00:28:48.000 They both work, but part of the reason they both work is because they had functioning health care systems before they actually had a nationalized health care system in Sweden, for example, or in Norway.
00:28:57.000 And the reason for that is, again, because lifestyle differences and cultural differences in these places, these are not the same places as the United States.
00:29:04.000 You have to take these things into account.
00:29:05.000 You can't just take something that works in Denmark and assume it's going to work in the United States.
00:29:08.000 That's idiotic.
00:29:09.000 That's not how policy actually operates.
00:29:11.000 Anyway, Bernie Sanders says he wants Medicare for all.
00:29:13.000 So there's a new study out today
00:29:15.000 from the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Virginia.
00:29:18.000 Now, the left is saying that this, this is just, this study is nonsense.
00:29:21.000 It's nonsense.
00:29:22.000 How do we know that it's nonsense?
00:29:23.000 We know that it's nonsense because, after all, it was funded by the Koch brothers.
00:29:27.000 Well, how about this?
00:29:28.000 There's another study from the Left-Wing Urban Institute.
00:29:30.000 They estimated the cost of Medicare for All.
00:29:32.000 Here's what they came up with.
00:29:33.000 $32 trillion over the next 10 years.
00:29:37.000 $32 trillion.
00:29:38.000 That is twice the annual GDP of the United States.
00:29:41.000 It is double the annual federal budget every single year.
00:29:46.000 It's another $4 trillion of federal budget every year.
00:29:50.000 And there's a study from the Mercatus Center, and they say it'll cost $32.6 trillion over 10 years.
00:29:58.000 According to Bloomberg, Bernie Sanders' plan builds on Medicare.
00:30:01.000 All U.S.
00:30:01.000 residents would be covered with no co-pays and deductibles for medical services.
00:30:05.000 The insurance industry would be relegated to a minor role.
00:30:08.000 Charles Blauhaus is the study's author.
00:30:09.000 He was a senior economic advisor to former President Bush and a public trustee of Social Security and Medicare during the Obama administration.
00:30:16.000 So this is not a partisan hack.
00:30:17.000 He says enacting something like Medicare for All would be a transformative change in the size of the federal government.
00:30:22.000 We'll talk about a little bit more about this proposal and why it's going to fail and why Democrats shouldn't be in charge.
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00:31:07.000 So $32.6 trillion.
00:31:09.000 How much money is $32.6 trillion?
00:31:11.000 Tiana Lowe over on Twitter, she says that is nearly twice our annual GDP.
00:31:15.000 It's 54 times our annual defense spending.
00:31:18.000 It's over eight times our annual federal budget.
00:31:20.000 It's 281 times the private sector's annual medical R&D investment.
00:31:25.000 It is 867 times the federal government's annual medical R&D investment.
00:31:30.000 And by the way, Medicaid covers one in three Californians and nearly 40% of LA residents.
00:31:35.000 And since the ACA expansion, Medi-Cal providers went from barely breaking even to making $5.4 billion in profits from 2014 to 2016.
00:31:44.000 Okay, so this is ridiculous.
00:31:46.000 Okay, by the way, the statistics I'm citing about, you know, it's 867 times the federal government's annual medical R&D investment, right?
00:31:55.000 We are talking about over 10 years, but still, it is twice our annual GDP, $32.6 trillion.
00:32:00.000 It's an enormous blowout in spending.
00:32:02.000 Now, Bernie Sanders doesn't have any actual argument with these statistics.
00:32:05.000 He just doesn't like that the Koch brothers funded this particular study.
00:32:08.000 But again, the Urban Institute says it'll cost $32 trillion as well.
00:32:12.000 It turns out that covering people's health care endlessly means that you're going to spend endless amounts of money.
00:32:18.000 Dan McLaughlin over at National Review, he has a framework for understanding health care, and here's what he says.
00:32:22.000 He says, basically...
00:32:24.000 You can have three things in healthcare.
00:32:25.000 You can have affordability, you can have universality, you can have quality.
00:32:29.000 You can only have two of those three things.
00:32:30.000 You cannot have all three.
00:32:31.000 Again, affordability, universality, quality.
00:32:34.000 It can either be cheap, or it can be universal, everybody can have it, or it can be good.
00:32:39.000 So it can be good and it can be affordable, but not everybody's going to have it, right?
00:32:42.000 It's a free market system.
00:32:43.000 You can have universal and cheap, but then it's going to be kind of crappy.
00:32:46.000 You can have universal and good, but then it's going to be really expensive.
00:32:50.000 Right?
00:32:50.000 So you can only have two of these particular three things.
00:32:52.000 Bernie Sanders says you can have all three because he is lying to you.
00:32:55.000 I love this.
00:32:56.000 Bernie Sanders's office, they say that this estimate is bad, but their office has not done a cost analysis.
00:33:01.000 Wait, you mean a lazy socialist who didn't bother doing his homework?
00:33:04.000 I can't believe it!
00:33:05.000 That's crazy!
00:33:06.000 Bernie Sanders' staff did find an error in the initial version of the Mercatus report, which counted a long-term care program that was in the 2016 proposal but not the current one, which means it will merely cost $29.6 trillion as opposed to $32.6 trillion.
00:33:17.000 Oh, well that fixes everything.
00:33:22.000 And by the way, you could remove every dollar from every rich person in the United States.
00:33:27.000 It would not pay for this for more than a year.
00:33:30.000 So this idea that you're going to somehow fund all of this is just insane.
00:33:34.000 The study estimated that doubling all federal individual and corporate income taxes would not fully cover the additional costs.
00:33:40.000 So, all of this sounds great.
00:33:41.000 All of this sounds nice.
00:33:42.000 How are you going to pay for it?
00:33:43.000 The answer is, you ain't.
00:33:44.000 You ain't.
00:33:45.000 Because Democrats have no interest in paying for this stuff.
00:33:47.000 If you actually want to help cut healthcare costs, by the way, in the United States, there is a way to do it.
00:33:51.000 What you actually have to do is ease regulation, particularly when it comes to all of the administrative paperwork.
00:33:56.000 Dealing with all the regulation is what doctors do most of the time.
00:33:59.000 You may have heard, my wife is a doctor.
00:34:01.000 Okay, being a doctor, that means she has to deal with paperwork on a near constant basis.
00:34:05.000 And when you own your own office,
00:34:07.000 You have to deal with Medicare and Medicaid.
00:34:10.000 Many doctors have stopped working with the government because they don't want to deal with all the regulations and all the paperwork.
00:34:15.000 The New York Times has a piece out just a couple of weeks ago saying that it only takes a glance at a hospital bill or at the myriad choices you may have for health care coverage to get a sense of the bewildering complexity of health care financing in the United States.
00:34:26.000 The complexity doesn't just exact a cognitive cost, it comes with administrative costs.
00:34:32.000 In 1999, the New England Journal of Medicine, which is the premier journal of medicine in the United States, they estimated that about 30% of all American healthcare expenditures were the result of administration.
00:34:41.000 In other words, dealing with insurance companies, working with the government, trying to deal with regulation, all that stuff is expensive.
00:34:47.000 And you know who gets charged for it?
00:34:48.000 You do.
00:34:49.000 And your insurance company does.
00:34:51.000 There are ways to cut down on that, but that means deregulation, which is precisely the opposite of what the left actually wants to do.
00:34:57.000 It also turns out, by the way, that in nationalized healthcare systems, there's a lot of paperwork as well.
00:35:01.000 This idea that it solves everything to be nationalized is just not true either.
00:35:06.000 So this is what's so ridiculous about this.
00:35:08.000 The Democrats come forward with their proposals for 2018.
00:35:10.000 This is where Trump really should be hitting them.
00:35:12.000 What Trump should be saying is, you can't allow these people to be in charge because if you put these people in charge, it's going to be a disaster.
00:35:19.000 Their policy proposals are insane.
00:35:21.000 Another policy proposal that's just, it just shows how asinine the left's take on economics is.
00:35:26.000 Kamala Harris tweeted this out.
00:35:28.000 She tweeted out, Let's do some basic econ here.
00:35:30.000 Where do you think that money is going to go?
00:35:31.000 The answer is to the raised rent.
00:35:49.000 Okay, you'll spend more money on rent.
00:35:52.000 Because if I just give you money back, because you spent a lot on rent, what do you think that your landlord is going to do?
00:35:56.000 He's going to raise your rent, because there's now increased demand in the housing market.
00:36:01.000 There are people who want to get into the housing market and spend more in the housing market, and they're going to offer the landlord more.
00:36:06.000 You're just going to take that money, and you're now going to spend it on the rent.
00:36:09.000 Democrats don't understand basic economics, so they make proposals that sound like free money, but actually are just inflating the cost of the actual product itself.
00:36:16.000 No Democrat should not be in charge.
00:36:19.000 Now, I also want to talk about, you know, the insipidity of our politics, the stupidity of our politics.
00:36:25.000 This is the best story of the day.
00:36:27.000 It's pretty spectacular.
00:36:28.000 So, the Democratic challenger in Virginia's 5th congressional district, Leslie Cockburn, I'm not making that name up, called out her opponent, GOP nominee Denver Riggleman, again, not making the name up, for his love of Bigfoot erotica.
00:36:42.000 Again, not making this up.
00:36:44.000 This is real.
00:36:45.000 Cockburn tweeted out, This is not what we need on Capitol Hill.
00:36:47.000 Now, I know you're sitting there asking yourself, what in the world is Bigfoot erotica?
00:37:07.000 It's exactly what it sounds like.
00:37:09.000 It is erotica about Bigfoot.
00:37:11.000 Her evidence included a drawing of a naked Bigfoot with a large and long censored bar over the presumptive location of Bigfoot's privates that Riggleman had posted on Instagram.
00:37:20.000 And she also posted a second image with Riggleman's face pasted on top of another naked but censored Sasquatch.
00:37:28.000 Rigelman just started his campaign after being named to replace Representative Thomas Garrett on the ballot in a red-leaning district in June.
00:37:34.000 Apparently, he's a craft distillery owner and former Air Force intelligence officer.
00:37:39.000 He's facing Cockburn, who's a journalist, author, and first-time candidate, trying to capitalize on opposition to President Trump in Charlottesville and other liberal enclaves.
00:37:46.000 Now,
00:37:47.000 Is it true that any of this, that Riggleman is actually devoted to Bigfoot erotica?
00:37:52.000 Of course it's not true!
00:37:53.000 Because that's ridiculous!
00:37:54.000 There's no actual such thing as Bigfoot erotica.
00:37:56.000 It's a bunch of people who are mocking the fact that there should, like, the idea of it is so insane.
00:38:01.000 But we now live in such a literalistic universe that somebody puts up a joke about Bigfoot erotica and their political opponent decides that it is absolutely necessary and worthwhile to turn this into a campaign issue whether, in fact, their opponent is checking out the Ding Dong
00:38:15.000 Of a creature that does not exist but wanders around in the forest.
00:38:19.000 So that's very exciting stuff.
00:38:21.000 I'm glad that our politics has come this far.
00:38:23.000 Clearly, the founders would be happy with the state of our republic.
00:38:26.000 Bigfoot erotica.
00:38:27.000 Just really, really solid stuff.
00:38:28.000 But when Democrats are not worried about fake stories about Bigfoot erotica,
00:38:33.000 They're also worried about renaming the city of Austin.
00:38:36.000 So according to the Austin Statesman, known as both the father of Texas and the namesake of the state's capital, Stephen F. Austin carved out the early outlines of Texas among his many accomplishments.
00:38:45.000 He also opposed an attempt by Mexico to ban slavery in the province of Tejas and said if slaves were freed, they would turn into vagabonds, a nuisance, and a menace.
00:38:51.000 For that reason, the city of Austin's equity office suggested renaming the city in a report about existing Confederate monuments that was published this week.
00:38:59.000 Also on the list of locales to possibly be renamed, Pease Park, the Boulding Creek neighborhood, Barton Springs, and 10 streets named for William Barton, the Daniel Boone of Texas, who was a slave owner.
00:39:08.000 So now we are in the process of renaming all sorts of things, including the city of Austin itself, because Samuel Austin, who helped found the city, was a slave owner.
00:39:18.000 This is what we're going to do now.
00:39:19.000 Which means that we're going to have to turn Washington, D.C.
00:39:21.000 into not Washington, D.C.
00:39:22.000 anymore, because George Washington was a slave owner as well, and we're going to have to rename the state of Washington, too.
00:39:27.000 Also, we're going to have to get rid of Jefferson City.
00:39:29.000 We're going to have to get rid of the Jefferson Memorial.
00:39:31.000 We're going to have to tear that sucker down.
00:39:32.000 We're going to have to get rid of any reference whatsoever to any Southern president from the first part of the nation's history.
00:39:40.000 It'll just be great.
00:39:42.000 Apparently, Austin will do this to virtue signal.
00:39:44.000 So, the council has already renamed Robert E. Lee Road and Jefferson Davis Avenue.
00:39:49.000 They now want to rename Austin.
00:39:51.000 Now, listen.
00:39:53.000 I understand people being uncomfortable, particularly black folks being uncomfortable with the fact that some of these figures were being paid tribute to as people who are proposing slavery.
00:40:02.000 I do think there is a difference in kind, by the way, between Samuel Austin and Jefferson Davis.
00:40:05.000 I think that Jefferson Davis is mostly famous for having defended slavery.
00:40:09.000 As the president of the Confederacy, I don't think the same is true of Samuel Austin, who's mostly famous for having started American settlement in Texas, right?
00:40:16.000 What we pay attention to with regard to naming things is generally the thing that the person is most famous for.
00:40:21.000 But it does demonstrate the left's full-scale desire to destroy history and whitewash history.
00:40:26.000 Why is it possible that you can't just explain that people did bad things in the past and some people who may have been bad had an impact on the nation's history?
00:40:34.000 I don't understand why any of this is supremely controversial or difficult.
00:40:38.000 Teaching history is all about teaching nuance, but we now live in a world where every nuance has to be removed forcibly.
00:40:44.000 And by the way, all the people who are busily getting rid of the name Austin in Austin, Texas, in a hundred years, when their names are on street signs, all of them will be cast out too, because virtually all of these people are going to be pro-abortion, pro-uh...
00:40:58.000 Okay, let's do a couple of things that I like and then we'll do a couple of things that I hate.
00:41:01.000 So,
00:41:14.000 A thing that I like.
00:41:16.000 So I mentioned last week that my dad is a tremendous jazz pianist.
00:41:19.000 And I was not kidding.
00:41:20.000 Here is a cut of my dad playing.
00:41:23.000 This is him playing jazz.
00:41:24.000 Girl from Ipanema.
00:41:25.000 And all of this is original.
00:41:27.000 You know, he made it up because he's a jazz musician.
00:41:29.000 So here it is.
00:41:43.000 I don't know.
00:42:11.000 Let's go.
00:42:23.000 So my dad can play.
00:42:24.000 So you can check out some of these cuts.
00:42:26.000 He's got a couple of cuts on YouTube that you can check out.
00:42:28.000 Just search David Shapiro piano and check it out.
00:42:32.000 And we'll have to have my dad on the Sunday special one time, because I think that'd be a lot of fun.
00:42:36.000 And I'll interview him about all this stuff.
00:42:38.000 My dad was playing clubs when he was like 12, 13 years old.
00:42:41.000 He would go into the clubs and play jazz piano at these clubs.
00:42:44.000 So when I say that I grew up with a bit of a musical background, that's because my dad was that guy.
00:42:49.000 Okay, time for, let's do another thing that I like.
00:42:51.000 So, I will admit when people on the left do something funny.
00:42:54.000 People on the left have no sense of humor about people on the right.
00:42:56.000 They say that nobody on the right has any sense of humor, we're all a bunch of fuddy-duddies, and when we make a joke, it's not really a joke because we're mean and we're cruel.
00:43:02.000 Sometimes the left does something funny.
00:43:04.000 I will acknowledge that this is actually pretty funny.
00:43:05.000 So, the other day, some schmuck went down to Hollywood Boulevard,
00:43:11.000 We're good.
00:43:30.000 Donald Trump is not the only conservative who has a star on those sidewalks.
00:43:32.000 I mean, Ronald Reagan obviously has one.
00:43:34.000 But I have a friend, Larry Elder has one as well.
00:43:37.000 In any case, I will admit that this was funny.
00:43:39.000 So a couple of lefties went down to the star and they guarded the star dressed up as Russian soldiers in like the full-on gear with the Russian flag, which is kind of funny.
00:43:48.000 So here is Kimmel talking about it.
00:43:49.000 The president now has security out there on the boulevard protecting his star.
00:43:57.000 Anyway, that's what comrades do for other comrades.
00:44:05.000 Okay, so I'll acknowledge that that is pretty funny.
00:44:08.000 Like, credit where credit is due, sometimes people on the left can be funny.
00:44:11.000 Okay, time for a thing that I hate.
00:44:18.000 Gender roles for children are important.
00:44:20.000 Gender is connected with biology.
00:44:22.000 Why is it that primates, like chimpanzees, males and females, act differently and have different genders?
00:44:29.000 Is that because of the patriarchy?
00:44:30.000 The monkey patriarchy?
00:44:32.000 Is it because of that?
00:44:33.000 Well, apparently, according to the BBC, the answer is yes.
00:44:35.000 According to the BBC, all gender is connected with social stereotyping, and so what they're going to do is torture a few kids.
00:44:41.000 To make sure that you know that you are actually a sexist.
00:44:44.000 So, they cut a video over at BBC.
00:44:46.000 I'm sure taxpayers in Britain are super thrilled that this is what they spend time on.
00:44:50.000 Here is the BBC reporting on taking a couple of kids, one who's a boy and one who's a girl, and switching their clothing, and then watching as adults treat them differently.
00:44:58.000 Right, because adults are not stupid enough to believe that boys and girls are the same.
00:45:01.000 Look at this, you like it, don't you?
00:45:06.000 OK, this is Edward, who's dressed as a girl.
00:45:07.000 I think she liked that pink dolly the best.
00:45:12.000 If I were to tell you actually that Sophie is Edward, does that change anything?
00:45:17.000 I maybe thought, oh, this is a little girl, so I have to give her little girl things.
00:45:21.000 So long.
00:45:22.000 So long.
00:45:23.000 What's this one?
00:45:24.000 The answer is it's nature, you guys, by the way.
00:45:33.000 Is that a robot?
00:45:34.000 If I tell you that he is actually a girl.
00:45:37.000 Really?
00:45:37.000 Yes.
00:45:39.000 Oh, wow.
00:45:39.000 I like the lady's look of disapproval.
00:45:41.000 Like, why would you do that?
00:45:42.000 I suppose it's because of the stereotype.
00:45:44.000 And then that changed your behaviour towards the child.
00:45:47.000 Yes, it did.
00:45:47.000 It did.
00:45:48.000 And your behaviour was quite directive.
00:45:50.000 I was surprised.
00:45:52.000 So I automatically went for the pink fluffy toy because I see it was a girl, so I was sort of stereotyping.
00:45:58.000 Okay, this is so stupid!
00:46:00.000 This is so stupid.
00:46:01.000 Stop for a second.
00:46:01.000 Okay, stop.
00:46:02.000 This is so stupid.
00:46:03.000 Oh, I wish I was... I thought I was more open-minded.
00:46:05.000 I immediately went for the gender stereotype toy.
00:46:06.000 You know why?
00:46:07.000 Because babies... I have a girl, I have a boy.
00:46:09.000 You know what?
00:46:09.000 They prefer different toys.
00:46:10.000 They prefer different toys.
00:46:11.000 My boy prefers a lightsaber and smacking his sister with it.
00:46:14.000 My girl prefers actually sitting there and reading books and playing with dolls.
00:46:18.000 Okay?
00:46:19.000 Every so often, she'll grab the sword and smack her brother back.
00:46:21.000 But that's not because she prefers that kind of toys.
00:46:25.000 There's such, there's deep social science about toy preference.
00:46:29.000 Okay, it's so funny.
00:46:30.000 I think it was Hasbro at one point tried a gender neutral dollhouse.
00:46:34.000 They tried a gender neutral dollhouse.
00:46:35.000 And you know what they found?
00:46:36.000 What they actually found is that the girls were taking the dollies and putting them to sleep.
00:46:39.000 They're being all nice to the little dollies.
00:46:41.000 And the boys were taking dollies and catapulting them off the roof of the toy house.
00:46:45.000 Because boys and girls are different.
00:46:47.000 The only reason my boy ever wants to play with anything that my daughter has is because my daughter has it.
00:46:51.000 That's legitimately the only reason.
00:46:54.000 Now, is it bad to reinforce these natural inclinations of children?
00:46:58.000 No.
00:46:58.000 Would it be the worst thing in the world if my kid wanted to play with a doll and my boy?
00:47:01.000 No.
00:47:01.000 But why would I possibly, like, try and steer him in the direction of playing with dolls when that's not something he wants, number one?
00:47:07.000 And number two, when I think it is very important to reinforce gender stereotyping.
00:47:11.000 I think some gender stereotyping is quite good.
00:47:12.000 Not about what you can do and what you can't.
00:47:14.000 My daughter can be a scientist.
00:47:15.000 My daughter can be a doctor.
00:47:16.000 Her mommy is.
00:47:17.000 But it is important to recognize that men and women are not the same.
00:47:21.000 And trying to undermine this by confusing a child is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
00:47:26.000 I'm sure it makes you feel better about yourself to believe that you have this much control over the world, but you actually don't.
00:47:31.000 It turns out that men and women are very different in a variety of ways that extend beyond genitals.
00:47:37.000 And the fact that the left continues to propose this anti-scientific nonsense that boys and girls are completely the same and that if we just retrained women to be more interested in engineering that suddenly the gap would disappear.
00:47:48.000 It's just not true.
00:47:49.000 It's just not true.
00:47:50.000 You know they've been trying this stuff in the Nordic countries and it's been failing dramatically.
00:47:54.000 There's no evidence that any of it works.
00:47:56.000 Because in the end, nature will end up winning.
00:47:59.000 It's ridiculous.
00:48:01.000 And to do this to small children, to dress up a boy as a little girl just so you can show parents, oh my gosh, look at your stereotyping.
00:48:07.000 Why don't you just dress the boy in boy clothes because he's a boy?
00:48:11.000 It's important.
00:48:12.000 It's important.
00:48:13.000 Now, it's interesting.
00:48:14.000 People have this whole thing now about cross-dressing.
00:48:15.000 Well, why do you care if your boy wears a dress?
00:48:18.000 Why do you care if your doctor wears a white coat?
00:48:20.000 Why do you care if your police officer wears a police uniform?
00:48:22.000 Why do you care if you walk into the office dressed like a normal human being or dressed as a schlub?
00:48:26.000 It turns out that clothes actually mean something.
00:48:28.000 They give off social cues.
00:48:29.000 And not only do they give off social cues, they also give you a uniform to identify with.
00:48:34.000 It is good that boys should identify with other boys.
00:48:36.000 It is good that girls should identify with other girls.
00:48:38.000 It is good that sexes understand the differences between the sexes.
00:48:42.000 And it is not bad to reinforce those things.
00:48:44.000 Again, this is not nothing to do with reinforcing lies about the capacity of women or anything of that sort.
00:48:50.000 But to suggest that it's good if a girl cross-dresses or a boy cross-dresses, it makes them more sensitive?
00:48:55.000 No, it makes them more confused.
00:48:56.000 It gives social cues to people they should treat the boy as a girl.
00:48:59.000 And boys and girls are not exactly the same.
00:49:00.000 And treating them exactly the same... You're a bad parent if you do.
00:49:03.000 If I treated my girl the exact way, the same way I did the boy...
00:49:06.000 You know what I'd be?
00:49:07.000 A garbage parent.
00:49:07.000 Because they don't want the same things, they're not interested in the same things, and it would be me being selfishly stupid to do that.
00:49:14.000 Turning everybody into these faceless widgets is the dumbest nonsense ever.
00:49:17.000 All these individualistic lefties who want to turn babies into widgets so they can treat them all as genderless neutral beings.
00:49:25.000 They're not these balls of slime that you can mold into any shape you want.
00:49:29.000 You idiots.
00:49:30.000 Okay.
00:49:30.000 Well, we will be back here tomorrow with much, much more frustration and anger.
00:49:33.000 We'll see you then.
00:49:34.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
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