The Ben Shapiro Show - November 30, 2018


Russian Roulette | Ep. 670


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Length

58 minutes

Words per Minute

212.94489

Word Count

12,365

Sentence Count

881

Misogynist Sentences

9

Hate Speech Sentences

17


Summary

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00:00:00.000 New revelations from the Mueller investigation.
00:00:02.000 A CNN commentator says an anti-Semitic thing and gets the boot, and we check the mailbag.
00:00:06.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:00:06.000 This is the Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:08.000 It's here.
00:00:14.000 It's come Friday.
00:00:15.000 That's right.
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00:00:17.000 But don't worry, there's plenty of news to get you through the weekend.
00:00:20.000 We will get to all of it.
00:00:22.000 And I promise you the next few weeks leading up to Christmas are going to be insane because every day since, I don't know, like four years ago has been crazy.
00:00:29.000 So that's not going to let up.
00:00:30.000 We'll talk about all of that in one second.
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00:02:15.000 All right, so, suffice it to say that the last 72 hours have not been kind to President Trump.
00:02:20.000 There have been a number of news items, and I'm going to try and break them all down for you today in a comprehensible fashion, because there's been so much news breaking with regard to the Mueller investigation that it's hard to keep on top of it, and I know that you're hearing two competing narratives.
00:02:33.000 Two competing narratives.
00:02:34.000 Competing narrative number one is the one you're hearing from the left.
00:02:37.000 Doom is imminent for President Trump.
00:02:39.000 He will soon be impeached.
00:02:41.000 It's all over.
00:02:42.000 It turns out that Michael Cohen is going to spill the beans.
00:02:46.000 And he is going to show us that President Trump actively colluded with the Russians in the election.
00:02:51.000 It's not just that he received information from Wikileaks via Roger Stone or something.
00:02:56.000 It's going to be that he was actively working with the Russians to militarize and weaponize that information.
00:03:01.000 And that he suborned perjury to do it.
00:03:02.000 That's claim from the left.
00:03:04.000 We're this close to impeachment.
00:03:06.000 Claim from the right, from people I respect, is that this is basically Robert Mueller in over his head, that he's come up with no actual evidence of criminality, and so he is now trying to create the illusion of collusion on various other matters.
00:03:19.000 So there's no actual criminal activity that took place, and thus all of these ancillary topics really have very little to do with the central contention of the investigation, that they oversold this investigation, and now Mueller is struggling to put together two and two to make it equal five.
00:03:34.000 Well, I think there is some truth to both of these and a lot of falsehood to both of these.
00:03:41.000 My general take is that the evidence is worse for Team Trump than it was a week ago with regard to their relations with Russia.
00:03:48.000 It looks like President Trump may have lied more than he did a week ago.
00:03:52.000 It looks like more members of his orbit have been complicit in working with Russian sources.
00:03:59.000 At the same time, the idea that charges of criminality are on their way, actual criminal collusion, criminal conspiracy, that still seems incredibly far-fetched to me.
00:04:09.000 So it could be ancillary charges of suborning perjury.
00:04:12.000 It could be ancillary charges of obstruction of justice.
00:04:14.000 Those things could be on the table.
00:04:15.000 But the central contention still has been not based in reality.
00:04:20.000 And I'm just going to show you the level of enthusiasm for folks on the left for charges that have not yet been proved.
00:04:25.000 And then we'll get to the actual charges.
00:04:27.000 So you can see Rachel Maddow yesterday on MSNBC.
00:04:30.000 She called into MSNBC and she said that because Michael Cohen, the president's personal lawyer, had pled guilty to a charge of lying to Congress, that this was the beginning of the end for little Trump.
00:04:39.000 Is Robert Mueller somehow throttled compared to how he used to be able to conduct his investigation and pursue prosecutions related to this matter?
00:04:48.000 Is he unable to bring new indictments because Matt Whitaker won't approve them?
00:04:53.000 If what you're saying is true and the investigation continues to be overseen by Rosenstein, it just puts a very different cast on this and I think it makes it It actually makes me feel like this must be a much more ominous moment for the White House.
00:05:06.000 Okay, so she doesn't know anything that makes it seem like a much more ominous moment, but it's ominous.
00:05:10.000 Joy Behar, who of course is kind of the stupid version of everyone on the left, just sort of shouts at things.
00:05:15.000 So here's Joy Behar shouting that Trump should resign.
00:05:17.000 Why?
00:05:18.000 But he should resign.
00:05:20.000 Why?
00:05:20.000 Because she's Joy Behar and she says stuff and her face opens and sound comes out.
00:05:24.000 Today is a good day for Donald Trump to resign.
00:05:26.000 I really believe that.
00:05:27.000 20 years for me.
00:05:33.000 That would be my gift.
00:05:35.000 You're here for 20 years on the view.
00:05:36.000 Donald, do it for me.
00:05:38.000 Today is a good day for...
00:05:40.000 I struggled to name a day that Joy Behar doesn't think would be a good day for Donald Trump to resign.
00:05:45.000 So let's try and separate out all of the various strands here.
00:05:49.000 So over the past 72 hours, there have been a bunch of things that have happened.
00:05:54.000 The first thing that happened, Michael Cohen pled guilty to lying to Congress about a Trump Organization Russian business deal.
00:05:59.000 So on Thursday, Cohen pled guilty to lying to Congress, we talked about this yesterday, about the Russian investigation in a plea deal with Robert Mueller.
00:06:06.000 Cohen already pled guilty in a Southern District of New York case regarding alleged campaign finance violations in making payments to former Trump paramour Stormy Daniels earlier this year.
00:06:14.000 You remember that one?
00:06:15.000 The allegation is that President Trump had basically funneled personal funds via Michael Cohen to Stormy Daniels, but he didn't use his own money.
00:06:21.000 He had Michael Cohen make an in-kind contribution in order to stop Stormy Daniels from coming clean, and this was somehow a campaign finance violation.
00:06:28.000 Maybe, maybe not, but that's what happened earlier this year.
00:06:31.000 Now, Cohen admitted he lied to Congress when he said that the Trump organization's attempt to set up a Trump Tower in Moscow ended in January 2016.
00:06:39.000 So he had testified that in January 2016, Trump stopped talking about the Trump Tower in Moscow before the end of the primaries.
00:06:45.000 And before the general election, Trump himself had tweeted in the middle of 2016 that he had no business relationships in Russia.
00:06:51.000 Now, the language could be true, even if he was in negotiations for those business relationships at the time, and even if he had negotiated with the Russians regarding a Trump Tower in Moscow, like, up to five minutes ago.
00:07:05.000 Ironically enough, that tweet that people are citing, the one where Trump says, I have no business relationships in Russia, that tweet could be I think escaped by President Trump in the exact same way that Bill Clinton tried to escape a perjury charge when he said that he had not had sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.
00:07:23.000 If you recall, his claim was that in present tense, he was not having sex with Monica Lewinsky.
00:07:29.000 And then he was asked, well, you did in the past.
00:07:31.000 And he said, right, but it depends on the definition of is.
00:07:34.000 Right.
00:07:35.000 Well, this could be the same thing.
00:07:36.000 You could have President Trump saying, right, I don't, I said, I don't have relationships with business in Russia.
00:07:42.000 Meaning like right now, but five minutes ago, I did.
00:07:44.000 In any case, Cohen apparently lied to Congress.
00:07:47.000 He says that he made the false statements to be consistent with individual one's political messaging and to be loyal to individual one.
00:07:53.000 Now, what this, what this plea deal by Cohen does not state is that President Trump instructed him to do all of this.
00:08:00.000 President Trump could have been out there saying, listen, I have no business relationships in Russia, and Cohen, in order to cover President Trump's ass, basically took matters into his own hands, and he said, yeah, yeah, yeah, this all ended back in January, without Trump actually informing him that he should lie to Congress.
00:08:14.000 This does make a difference, because if you are suborning perjury, that was one of the charges that was brought against Richard Nixon in his impeachment case.
00:08:20.000 It was one of the charges brought against Bill Clinton in his impeachment case, is what David French and I were talking about before the show.
00:08:26.000 This morning, David, of course, writes for National Review.
00:08:28.000 Cohen also admitted that the Moscow project was discussed all the way through June 2016 and that he communicated directly with the office of Vladimir Putin in January 2016.
00:08:36.000 In September 2017, Cohen had explained that he had nothing to do with any Russian involvement in our electoral process and never saw anything, not a hint of anything, that demonstrated Trump's involvement in Russian interference in our election or any other form of Russian collusion.
00:08:50.000 Now, again, those two statements could still be true.
00:08:52.000 It could be that he was doing business with Russia.
00:08:54.000 And that that does not involve collusion.
00:08:56.000 Because I guess the theory of the case here is that somehow, if Trump was doing business in Russia, that this was a quid pro quo, and that Putin wanted to help him because he was doing business in Russia, none of that has been proved at this point, like, at all.
00:09:09.000 Trump, for his part, denies working on the Moscow deal.
00:09:12.000 He says, that was a project that we didn't do.
00:09:14.000 I didn't do.
00:09:14.000 It was a project that wasn't done for a lot of reasons.
00:09:16.000 I was focused on running for president.
00:09:18.000 I wanted that to be my primary focus, not running or building a building.
00:09:22.000 His ongoing business relationship with Russia, again, would not actively amount to criminal activity.
00:09:28.000 This is what Jake Tapper on CNN pointed out to a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Jerry Nadler, yesterday on CNN, and that Democrat could not explain how the Trump Tower attempts to be built in Moscow had anything to do with electoral hacking or electioneering.
00:09:44.000 I look at these documents and I don't see any evidence of conspiracy between members of the Trump team and members of the Russian government to interfere in the election.
00:09:55.000 He's mixing his personal business profits with respect and perhaps putting them over the interest of the United States and lying to the electorate about it.
00:10:04.000 Sure, it stinks.
00:10:04.000 I'm not saying it's not, but it's not conspiracy is all I'm saying.
00:10:08.000 Okay, so what Tapper is saying is exactly right.
00:10:11.000 You can say that it stinks, right?
00:10:12.000 You can say that President Trump You know, signing business deals with Russia, or trying to do so in the middle of an election where he's praising Vladimir Putin that it smells to high heaven in the same way that it smelled to high heaven when the Clinton Foundation was taking all sorts of donations from various and sundry foreign nations who are suddenly getting special treatment from the Hillary Clinton State Department.
00:10:30.000 You can say it stinks in the same way that Barack Obama's administration stunk in terms of Joe Biden and his family making a big deal with the Chinese government while Biden was vice president, according to Peter Schweitzer.
00:10:43.000 You can say all of those things.
00:10:44.000 None of that is necessarily criminal.
00:10:47.000 Now, President Trump went on Twitter this morning and he said, Oh, I get it.
00:10:50.000 I'm a very good developer, happily living my life.
00:10:52.000 When I see our country is going in the wrong direction, to put it mildly, against all odds, I decide to run for president and continue to run my business.
00:11:00.000 Very legal and very cool.
00:11:02.000 Talked about it on the campaign trail.
00:11:04.000 Lightly looked at doing a building somewhere in Russia.
00:11:07.000 Put up zero money, zero guarantees, and didn't do the project.
00:11:11.000 Witch hunt!
00:11:12.000 And so this is the way that he is spinning this.
00:11:14.000 Again, that's a little bit different from, I didn't have any relationships in Russia, I didn't do business in Russia, nothing is happening here.
00:11:21.000 That seems to be a bit of an exaggeration, at the very least, or a lie at the very most, but that, again, is not perjury because he has not testified to any of that.
00:11:30.000 Okay, so that was story number one, the Michael Cohen pleading guilty and saying that he perjured himself in front of Congress about the involvement of the Trump family and Trump organization in a business deal in Russia.
00:11:43.000 Again, that does not amount to electoral collusion.
00:11:45.000 It does not amount to election hacking.
00:11:47.000 It doesn't amount to a quid pro quo.
00:11:48.000 It doesn't amount to any of those things.
00:11:49.000 It amounts to an ancillary crime that took place after the campaign.
00:11:54.000 When Michael Cohen was testifying before Congress and it has a lot of people on the right asking, OK, well, we know James Clapper lied in front of Congress.
00:12:00.000 We know Eric Holder was held in contempt of Congress.
00:12:02.000 We know that a bunch of officials from the Obama days lied in front of Congress.
00:12:06.000 Hillary Clinton lied in front of Congress on Benghazi for that matter.
00:12:08.000 We know all of those things, but none of those people were prosecuted.
00:12:11.000 So is this just an attempt by Robert Mueller to cram down a crime on Michael Cohen to get him to flip on Trump?
00:12:17.000 The answer is maybe.
00:12:18.000 But does that mean that Trump is off the hook?
00:12:20.000 Not necessarily.
00:12:21.000 Two things can be true at once.
00:12:22.000 One, it's not fair that all those other people went unprosecuted.
00:12:25.000 Two, Michael Cohen may have lied to Congress.
00:12:28.000 Three, this actually does not mean that Trump colluded.
00:12:31.000 It does not support the central charge that Trump colluded in conspiracy to hack the election.
00:12:37.000 We'll get to some of the other news events.
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00:14:34.000 Back to the revelations of this week.
00:14:36.000 So, revelation number one was Michael Cohen's testimony.
00:14:39.000 He pled guilty to lying to Congress about the Trump Tower in Moscow, which apparently was still being negotiated by members of Team Trump, up to and including possibly Donald Trump Jr., all the way up to June 2016.
00:14:49.000 Two, Mueller's team is now looking into President Trump's phone calls with Roger Stone, right?
00:14:54.000 This is another revelation we talked about earlier this week.
00:14:57.000 Basically, the idea is this.
00:14:58.000 There is a chain of gossip that goes from WikiLeaks to Jerome Corsi, a conspiracy theorist, to Roger Stone, another top political operative slash conspiracy theorist, to President Trump.
00:15:09.000 And Trump is calling Stone, who's getting information from Corsi, who's getting information from WikiLeaks.
00:15:13.000 And basically, via this process, Trump is saying to Stone something like, you know, what are you hearing?
00:15:19.000 And Stone's saying, well, I'm hearing from my good friend Jerry Corsi that WikiLeaks is going to dump some stuff on Hillary's health.
00:15:25.000 Maybe she should talk about Hillary's health.
00:15:26.000 And Trump's like, OK.
00:15:27.000 And then the next day he goes out on the stump and he says, Hillary, looks like she's going to keel over.
00:15:31.000 OK, that's not collusion.
00:15:33.000 That is Trump operating off rumored information.
00:15:36.000 Not the same thing as Trump actively militarizing information with the help of the Russian government in exchange for something happening.
00:15:43.000 Is it good?
00:15:44.000 No, it's not good.
00:15:45.000 Hillary Clinton actually did do the exact same thing during the 2016 election with regard to the Ukrainian government, which was providing her dirt on Trump at the same time that was reported by Politico at the time.
00:15:55.000 Stone denies any of his email conversations with Corsi came up with Trump.
00:15:58.000 He says, I didn't actually talk with Trump about the WikiLeaks stuff at all.
00:16:03.000 Maybe, maybe not.
00:16:03.000 We'll see what Mueller has.
00:16:05.000 OK, number three, Paul Manafort had a plea deal that fell apart this week.
00:16:09.000 OK, that plea deal basically suggested he was going to turn on Trump He says he's no longer going to do that.
00:16:14.000 Mueller accused him of lying to him and voided his plea arrangement.
00:16:18.000 And Mueller found out that Manafort's lawyers have been coordinated with President Trump's lawyers.
00:16:23.000 Now that could actually be a problem for Trump because if Manafort's plea agreement voided the joint defense agreement between Trump And Manafort, then all of those negotiations, all of the information that passed hands, if Trump was telling Manafort to fib to Mueller, for example, if any of that happened, that could now be subject to Mueller scrutiny.
00:16:40.000 So that could be very bad for Trump.
00:16:42.000 In a second, I want to tell you about the consequences of this, give you the latest updates.
00:16:45.000 So here are the latest updates that we have over the last 24 hours.
00:16:49.000 According to Axios, they're reporting what they think is going to come next.
00:16:54.000 Garrett Graff writes a piece for Axios talking about what he thinks is going to happen now.
00:16:58.000 Now, he says, Michael Cohen's lies to Congress fit an odd pattern.
00:17:01.000 Multiple people in Trump's orbit have outright lied or forgotten about a whole variety of contacts with Russian officials, developers, oligarchs, and emissaries.
00:17:08.000 It's a uniquely consistent problem across many top aides that only seems to occur when the subject is Russia.
00:17:13.000 And he says, remember, Michael Cohen's two major revelations so far have come in just two fairly limited specific episodes, both of which investigative reporters have unearthed ahead of time Stormy Daniels' hushed money payments and the Moscow Trump Tower project.
00:17:25.000 Cohen worked with Trump for a decade.
00:17:27.000 What else don't we know?
00:17:28.000 Prosecutors ethically can't let a witness testify or plead if things they don't believe are true.
00:17:32.000 So everything Cohen is saying in court, for all the talk about they're making Cohen lie, Mueller would then have to be violating basic legal conduct.
00:17:42.000 Every twist of the investigation shows that Mueller knows far more than we thought he did, according to Axios.
00:17:47.000 Cohen's plea deal shows he has phone records.
00:17:49.000 The aborted Jerome Corsi plea agreement shows Mueller has emails.
00:17:51.000 The fact that Mueller knows Paul Manafort was lying to him likely indicates heretofore unseen corroborating witnesses, documents, and more.
00:17:59.000 So, you know, it's worthwhile waiting at this point.
00:18:03.000 Next in the crosshairs probably, probably, is Donald Trump Jr.
00:18:08.000 This is the latest, this is sort of the latest spin on this.
00:18:12.000 According to ABC News, The admission by President Trump's longtime personal attorney, Michael Cohen, that he lied to Congress about the Trump Organization's plans to build a Trump-branded skyscraper in Moscow, which, by the way, was supposed to have included, like, a $50 million penthouse for Vladimir Putin, has brought new scrutiny upon the sworn testimony of other Trump associates, including his oldest son.
00:18:31.000 Representative Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, has called on the committee's Republican leadership to accelerate the release of transcripts from interviews they conducted behind closed doors to the special counsel.
00:18:42.000 And the public so they could be analyzed for misleading statements.
00:18:44.000 So it looks now like Schiff is going to start targeting Democrats are going to start targeting everybody else in Trump's orbit, hoping that those people will eventually flip on Trump or Trump will be forced to pardon them.
00:18:54.000 Or that if Trump does pardon them, then they will charge him with obstruction for trying to prevent them from testifying about him.
00:18:59.000 Here's Adam Schiff, who, again, has a pup tent set up at both MSNBC and CNN and doesn't actually work for a living.
00:19:06.000 I should know.
00:19:07.000 He's my representative in California.
00:19:08.000 Here's Adam Schiff.
00:19:09.000 We are going through the witness transcripts right now, looking at Donald Trump Jr.' 's testimony, looking at Jared Kushner's testimony, looking at the testimony of Felix Sater and others to determine, okay, what does this tell us about their truthfulness?
00:19:25.000 What missing pieces does this fill in?
00:19:27.000 Mark Warner, who's a senator from Virginia, he says, let's face it, you've got all these close associates of the president, one after another, pleading guilty, often pleading guilty about their ties to Russia and Russians.
00:19:36.000 He said, what are they covering up for?
00:19:38.000 The reason Donald Trump Jr.
00:19:39.000 could be in the crosshairs is because during his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee in September 2017, he was asked about efforts to build Trump Tower projects in Moscow.
00:19:49.000 And at that time, he was asked specifically about the deal.
00:19:53.000 Right.
00:19:53.000 Senators discussed at least two potential developments involving the Trumps.
00:19:56.000 Trump Jr.
00:19:57.000 said one involving the family's partners in this universe pageant died of deal fatigue by the end of 2014.
00:20:03.000 He said, certainly not 2016.
00:20:05.000 There was never a definitive end to it.
00:20:07.000 The proposed deal being worked by Cohen came soon after.
00:20:10.000 Trump Jr.
00:20:10.000 said he knew very little about the proposal.
00:20:12.000 Court filings, however, suggest members of Trump's family were looped into discussions about the proposed deal, referred to Trump as individual one.
00:20:19.000 But that still doesn't answer How much Trump Jr.
00:20:22.000 knew, right?
00:20:22.000 If he said he knew very little about the proposal other than he thought that Trump had signed a letter of intent to pursue it, that may not in fact be lying.
00:20:31.000 All of which is to say, we still don't know what Mueller knows.
00:20:34.000 We still don't know what is coming.
00:20:36.000 What we do know is that the original claim In all of this, the original claim, the powerful claim, from the very beginning, is that President Trump was colluding with the Russians to hack the election.
00:20:45.000 And the idea of hacking the election meant that there was an attempt by Trump to actively collude with the Russians to weaponize information Hacking Hillary Clinton's emails, that his people were working with the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton's emails, or that there was a quid pro quo and Trump was going to give the Russians something in exchange for going after Hillary Clinton or something like that.
00:21:04.000 None of that has yet been proven.
00:21:06.000 So, there are only a couple of paths that seem quote-unquote impeachable.
00:21:10.000 Path number one, Trump suborning perjury.
00:21:12.000 He told Michael Cohen, I need you to go out, I need you to lie to the American people, I need you to lie to Congress, I need you to actually commit a crime.
00:21:19.000 That would be path number one.
00:21:20.000 Suborning perjury is in fact a federal crime.
00:21:22.000 That would probably be an impeachable offense given the precedent of Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon.
00:21:28.000 Precedent number two for impeachment would be if Trump actually participated in some sort of quid pro quo.
00:21:33.000 The soft and maybe most plausible scenario is that Trump had heard about all of this stuff and that he was fibbing about having heard about all of this stuff.
00:21:41.000 Is that impeachable?
00:21:43.000 Probably not.
00:21:44.000 Is it devastating for Trump 2020?
00:21:46.000 It's certainly not good for Trump 2020.
00:21:48.000 But again, We have yet to see the other shoe drop, and I'm happy to wait until the other shoe drops because all of the information will be forthcoming.
00:21:55.000 This is not me kicking the can down the road.
00:21:56.000 It's just we don't have enough information yet.
00:21:58.000 So I'm not going to jump to conclusions.
00:22:00.000 OK, in just a second, I want to talk about this horrifying report about U.S.
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00:23:26.000 Okay, so, in media news, Marc Lamont Hill has now been fired from CNN.
00:23:32.000 He was fired for a good reason.
00:23:33.000 Because he went in front of the UN, in front of a bunch of genocidal, anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic countries, and he said, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
00:23:42.000 Okay, that is a Hamas slogan.
00:23:44.000 The slogan is that Israel will be fully destroyed and that all the Jews in the area will be killed or expelled into the sea.
00:23:50.000 Okay, that is literally what that means.
00:23:52.000 This is not a dog whistle.
00:23:54.000 This is just saying stuff out loud.
00:23:56.000 That's not a dog whistle.
00:23:58.000 That's not making a vague reference.
00:23:59.000 Now, Markleman Hill tried to claim, no, I was just saying human rights for everyone.
00:24:03.000 Really?
00:24:04.000 That's why you, in front of the UN, justified terrorism against Israelis?
00:24:07.000 I mean, he literally did this, and then he went out and spouted a slogan that received wild applause from the Iranians, from the Palestinians, from everyone who wants to see the Juden pushed into the sea.
00:24:20.000 So, Hill did all of this, and it sparked immediate backlash.
00:24:23.000 Why?
00:24:24.000 Because it is a Hamas slogan.
00:24:26.000 So CNN eventually, so Lamont Hill then tweeted out, he's not anti-semitic, he said, I do not support anti-semitism, killing Jewish people or any of the other things attributed to my speech.
00:24:35.000 We didn't attribute it to your speech.
00:24:36.000 You said it.
00:24:38.000 It is not attributed.
00:24:39.000 It's just anti-semitism.
00:24:41.000 And he said, what I meant by river to the sea was not a call to destroy anything or anyone.
00:24:45.000 It was a call for justice, both in Israel and in the West Bank, Gaza.
00:24:48.000 The speech very clearly and specifically said those things.
00:24:50.000 Actually, the speech did not clearly and specifically say any of those things.
00:24:53.000 This is just a blatant attempt to rewrite all of this stuff.
00:24:57.000 I mean, this is what he actually said at the UN.
00:24:59.000 Contrary to Western mythology, black resistance to American apartheid did not come purely through Ghandian nonviolence.
00:25:05.000 Rather, slave revolts and self-defense and tactics otherwise divergent from Dr. King or Mahatma Gandhi were equally important to preserving safety and attaining freedom.
00:25:11.000 If we are to operate in true solidarity with the Palestinian people, we must allow the Palestinian people the same range of opportunity and political possibility.
00:25:18.000 So he's talking about slave revolts and he's comparing that to Palestinians committing acts of terror and defending it.
00:25:25.000 So all of this is just a lie and so CNN fired him.
00:25:29.000 Now this raised a lot of questions from people about whether he ought to be fired.
00:25:32.000 Here is the rule on whether you ought to be fired because we've had several situations in which commentators have said things or tweeted things and then they were fired.
00:25:39.000 So I defended the Roseanne firing.
00:25:40.000 The reason I defended the Roseanne firing at the time is because I said that NBC Did not have evidence that she was a quote-unquote racist.
00:25:49.000 And then she said something about Valerie Jarrett that was on its face racist.
00:25:53.000 She is the character.
00:25:55.000 NBC does not have to take a million dollar loss in order to keep promoting a show that is going to get destroyed in the ratings.
00:26:00.000 That is not their responsibility.
00:26:01.000 It went to the core business.
00:26:03.000 She said something unacceptable and it was new material.
00:26:05.000 I said about Sarah Zhang, who's a columnist for the New York Times, that she should not, in fact, be fired.
00:26:09.000 The reason was not because she hadn't said terrible things in the past.
00:26:12.000 It was because people dug up old stuff she'd said in the past.
00:26:14.000 The New York Times had hired her knowing all that stuff was there.
00:26:17.000 And so there was no new information being presented to the New York Times.
00:26:21.000 It was just a social media mobbing.
00:26:22.000 In the same way I defended James Gunn, right, who had a bunch of old bad tweets, bad jokes about pedophilia and such.
00:26:28.000 And I said, Disney knew about this at the time.
00:26:30.000 This is just a social media mobbing.
00:26:33.000 So my basic rule is this.
00:26:34.000 Private companies, first of all, have a right to do whatever they want.
00:26:37.000 Number two, if you threaten the brand of the company, the company has a responsibility to its shareholders to take you out.
00:26:45.000 Number three, the question is whether a new piece of information has been emergent or whether this is just ginned up outrage about a piece of old Twittery.
00:26:55.000 Okay, Mark Lamont Hill did something new.
00:26:57.000 We knew that Mark Lamont Hill did all this stuff years ago.
00:26:58.000 If, for example, people said, you know, Mark Lamont Hill, back in 2008, defended Louis Farrakhan, he should be fired.
00:27:03.000 I'd be like, probably not.
00:27:04.000 Probably not.
00:27:05.000 Now, I don't like Mark Lamont Hill, I think he's terrible.
00:27:07.000 But, probably not.
00:27:08.000 But this is a new thing that he did.
00:27:10.000 A new piece of information.
00:27:11.000 So CNN, not only had every right to fire him, this was a piece of open antisemitism.
00:27:15.000 Now, I have to tell you, it's unbelievable, UNBELIEVABLE, how exactly the folks on the left have covered the Mark Lamont Hill statements.
00:27:25.000 And it just demonstrates that for the left, as long as you say anti-Semitic things about Israel, we pretend that it's not anti-Semitic.
00:27:31.000 Okay, the actual headline from the Washington Post was this, CNN fires Mark Lamont Hill in wake of remarks criticizing Israel and calling for a free Palestine.
00:27:42.000 That is not why they fired him.
00:27:44.000 They fired him because what he said was anti-Semitic.
00:27:46.000 It wasn't that he was criticizing Israel and calling for a free Palestine.
00:27:49.000 If you actually want to quote the entire phrase, quote the entire phrase.
00:27:53.000 This is just an outright lie.
00:27:55.000 There are people who are in favor of a two-state solution, who say, yeah, we want a free Palestine.
00:28:00.000 You know who would be among those people?
00:28:01.000 Members of the Israeli cabinet, who have called for a two-state solution for nigh on 30 years.
00:28:06.000 It's not going to happen, by the way, because the Palestinians don't want a two-state solution.
00:28:09.000 But that's not what Lamont Hill said.
00:28:11.000 He said, free Palestine from the river to the sea.
00:28:14.000 The river meaning the Jordan River, the sea meaning the Mediterranean Sea.
00:28:17.000 You know what's in the middle of there?
00:28:19.000 That would be Israel right there.
00:28:20.000 So he's talking about the complete destruction of the state of Israel.
00:28:22.000 That's a blatantly anti-Semitic statement.
00:28:25.000 And the Washington Post covers it as though it's just controversial.
00:28:29.000 Mostly just controversial, you know, not anti-Semitic per se, come on!
00:28:32.000 And The Hill does the exact same thing.
00:28:34.000 So The Hill's headline was suggested something like... Suggested exactly the same thing, that it was just a controversial statement that Marc Lamont Hill hadn't done anything truly terrible.
00:28:45.000 He hadn't said anything anti-Semitic.
00:28:46.000 It was just, you know, a little weird.
00:28:48.000 It was just a little weird.
00:28:50.000 Again, the willingness of so many on the left to overlook anti-Semitism coming from the left by saying, well, it's not anti-Semitic, it's just anti-Israel.
00:28:58.000 It just shows you that when people say, I'm not anti-Semitic, I'm just anti-Israel, maybe that's true.
00:29:03.000 But there has not yet been an anti-Semite who is not anti-Israel.
00:29:07.000 I mean, here's the headline from The Hill.
00:29:11.000 CNN cuts ties with Marc Lamont Hill after Israel comments.
00:29:14.000 They didn't... People make comments on Israel all the time on CNN.
00:29:18.000 That is not exactly what happened.
00:29:19.000 Now, contrast this media coverage of Marc Lamont Hill's comments with the media coverage of Tucker Carlson.
00:29:25.000 And you can see the double standard.
00:29:26.000 It's the same Washington Post that said that Marc Lamont Hill was only being criticized for being anti-Israel.
00:29:32.000 That same Washington Post claimed yesterday, the media critic Eric Wemple, that Tucker Carlson of Fox News was a neo-Nazi favorite.
00:29:39.000 What proof do they have that Tucker Carlson is a neo-Nazi?
00:29:43.000 Or is complicit with neo-Nazis?
00:29:44.000 Or is working with the neo-Nazis?
00:29:46.000 Their only proof is an article from BuzzFeed talking about how the Daily Stormer, which is a neo-Nazi website run by a piece of crap named Andrew Anglin, featured articles about Tucker Carlson like 265 times.
00:29:56.000 "265 times." Wemple said, "or as a host like Hannity, for example, "forever parrots Trump's talking points, "Carlson has consistently pursued storylines "and polemical themes that please racists." Carlson hypes alleged crimes and dislocation caused by immigration.
00:30:09.000 He demands the U.S.
00:30:09.000 elites defend the cliché that diversity is our greatest strength.
00:30:12.000 He circulates bogus material about South Africa's alleged injustices against white farmers.
00:30:16.000 And he cheers Trump's hard-line immigration policies.
00:30:19.000 Okay, how any of those things are neo-Nazi material is beyond me, but that didn't stop Eric Wemple from basically labeling Tucker Carlson complicit and working with neo-Nazis for saying things that are basically conservative slash populist, and then lumping him in with the neo-Nazis.
00:30:35.000 So let's just get this straight.
00:30:36.000 Marc Lamont Hill says the Jews should be killed between the river and the sea.
00:30:39.000 When you say pre-Palestine, from the river to the sea, you're talking about a Judenrein area called Palestine where no Jews live, and the destruction of the Jewish state as an entity.
00:30:48.000 That, according to the Washington Post, is just controversial anti-Israeli commentary.
00:30:52.000 Tucker Carlson, however, for saying that he disapproves of illegal immigration and wonders whether diversity is in fact strength or whether we have to have some common set of shared values, that makes him a neo-Nazi.
00:31:03.000 The media bias when it comes to the accounts of particular viewpoints is truly astonishing.
00:31:09.000 Truly, truly astonishing.
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00:35:29.000 So yesterday, in other news, Laura Loomer, she'd been banned from Twitter.
00:35:39.000 The reason that she'd been banned from Twitter is because she tweeted something out about the evils of radical Islam.
00:35:45.000 And she did something that I thought was actually quite good, for the most part, and then she blew it with some of her publicity ploy.
00:35:52.000 So she chained herself to the Twitter headquarters to draw publicity.
00:35:55.000 Totally fine with this.
00:35:57.000 It's a form of protest.
00:35:58.000 She's totally fine doing it.
00:35:59.000 And she pasted, above the Twitter doorway, a couple of competing tweets.
00:36:04.000 One, from Louis Farrakhan, which has not gotten Louis Farrakhan banned.
00:36:07.000 It says, I'm not an anti-Semite, I'm anti-termite from Louis Farrakhan.
00:36:11.000 And she juxtaposed that with her own tweet, which said something like, isn't it ironic how the Twitter moment used to celebrate women, LGBTQ, and minorities is a picture of Ilhan Omar.
00:36:23.000 Ilhan Omar is the Minnesota representative who is pro-BDS.
00:36:28.000 She says she is a pro-Sharia and she is pro-FGM, female genital mutilation.
00:36:33.000 The reason she says that is because Ilhan Omar is one of the four members of the Minnesota legislature who voted against a bill banning female genital mutilation in the state of Minnesota.
00:36:41.000 Under Sharia, homosexuals are oppressed and killed, women are abused and forced to wear the hijab, and Ilhan is anti-Jewish.
00:36:49.000 That is Laura Lummer's tweet.
00:36:50.000 She was banned for that tweet.
00:36:52.000 There's nothing in that tweet that is remotely bannable.
00:36:55.000 Nothing is remotely bannable about that tweet.
00:36:57.000 And she is correct to point out the hypocrisy here.
00:36:59.000 Now, she did make one crucial mistake, okay?
00:37:01.000 In terms of publicity, if she had done that, everyone is totally on her side on the right.
00:37:05.000 Instead, what she decided to do was that, and also she decided to wear a Jewish star that said Uden on it.
00:37:12.000 I'm sorry, being banned from Twitter is not the same thing as being a member of the Jewish population in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943.
00:37:19.000 Not the same thing, okay?
00:37:20.000 It's not the same thing as being crowded into a concentration camp.
00:37:25.000 Like, let's not go there.
00:37:26.000 And this is part of the problem, is that how you get out your message is just as important as the message, in many ways more important than the message.
00:37:31.000 She's totally right.
00:37:32.000 She shouldn't have been banned.
00:37:33.000 Louis Farrakhan should be banned.
00:37:34.000 And the fact that she has basically... When I say Louis Farrakhan should be banned, I'm not even sure that's the case.
00:37:39.000 Maybe Louis Farrakhan shouldn't be banned.
00:37:40.000 Maybe he should stay on Twitter.
00:37:42.000 I'm actually okay with that.
00:37:43.000 I want people to know what Louis Farrakhan thinks.
00:37:45.000 But, certainly Laura Loomer should not have been banned.
00:37:47.000 And Twitter is trying to purge people that it doesn't like.
00:37:50.000 But also, don't wear Jewish stars that are reminiscent of the Holocaust because you got banned from a social media platform.
00:37:56.000 That is not the same thing.
00:37:57.000 It just isn't.
00:37:58.000 OK, so meanwhile, the gravest piece of news this week.
00:38:02.000 Again, it gives the lie to the idea that despair and upset in America are driven by the economy.
00:38:07.000 Here's the story.
00:38:08.000 Life expectancy in the United States dropped yet again as drug overdoses continued to climb, taking more than 70,000 lives in 2017.
00:38:16.000 And suicides rose again.
00:38:17.000 A U.S.
00:38:17.000 government report said Thursday the drug overdose rate rose 9.6 percent compared to 2016.
00:38:22.000 Suicides climbed 3.7 percent, according to the U.S.
00:38:24.000 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics.
00:38:29.000 As a result, the average lifespan in America dropped to 78.6 years, a decrease of 0.1 year from 2016.
00:38:35.000 This is the second straight year in which life expectancy in the United States has dropped after rising consistently for legitimately 100 years.
00:38:43.000 This is a serious crisis, but it is not an economic crisis.
00:38:47.000 What I'm seeing from a lot of folks is, well, this is because they're the economically dispossessed.
00:38:52.000 This does not work.
00:38:52.000 The reason this does not work is suicide rates are now higher than they were, I believe, during the Great Depression.
00:38:58.000 Certainly drug overdoses are a lot higher than they were during the Great Depression.
00:39:01.000 Things were a lot worse then.
00:39:02.000 We've had significantly worse economies.
00:39:05.000 Even... You don't have to go back to the Great Depression.
00:39:06.000 Go back to 2008, 2009.
00:39:08.000 The life expectancy did not drop in 2008, 2009.
00:39:12.000 And the fact that life expectancy has dropped yet again is an indicator that there is something missing in the American soul, that we have destroyed our own social fabric, that we have atomized ourselves into these little, not even groups.
00:39:25.000 Into basically polarized marbles walking around the world, suspicious of everybody around us.
00:39:29.000 They have no values that we hold in common, that we feel threatened, that we feel empty, that we're looking for something.
00:39:35.000 If we don't have shared values, if we don't have social fabric, if we don't have community, if we don't know what America is about or what we're doing in the world, if we don't have purpose and meaning, it makes it almost impossible to live a fulfilled life.
00:39:46.000 I say this because I have a new book that's coming out, and I'm not just pitching the book.
00:39:50.000 I have a new book coming out next year that is specifically about this.
00:39:52.000 What were the shared values of the West that built the West, and how have we lost those things?
00:39:56.000 We live in a time of unprecedented material prosperity, in a time of unprecedented personal freedom, and yet, life expectancy is dropping in the United States.
00:40:04.000 That is happening because there is a God-shaped hole in the American heart.
00:40:07.000 There is a crisis of what you're supposed to do when you get up in the morning.
00:40:11.000 You know, we've been promoting empty nostrums, like, go make the world a better place.
00:40:16.000 Okay, this presupposes a couple of things.
00:40:17.000 What?
00:40:18.000 One, what is a better place?
00:40:20.000 Two, that you have the capacity to make the world a better place.
00:40:22.000 But at the same time, we've been telling people, you don't actually have the capacity to make the world a better place.
00:40:27.000 You're nothing more than a ball of meat wandering around aimlessly in the universe without free will.
00:40:31.000 And also, social forces are organized against you.
00:40:34.000 So why in the world should you go out there and try?
00:40:36.000 And two, we've not defined what better looks like.
00:40:38.000 Okay, if better just means material prosperity, then why are the suicide rates going up?
00:40:44.000 Better always meant spiritual fulfillment, but we don't have spiritual fulfillment in a time when we have cast the spirit out.
00:40:50.000 We have no spiritual fulfillment in a time when we have decided that God, family, community, the very basics, the very basics of what it means to be a fulfilled human being over the course of human history, All those things are irrelevant.
00:41:02.000 The only thing that matters is virtue signaling, politics, rage, showing other people how much you care about things, and despair.
00:41:12.000 Despair, because obviously you're not in control of your own life.
00:41:14.000 This is why, you know, so much of my message is concentrated around what can you do in your life to make your life better.
00:41:19.000 You want to make your life better?
00:41:21.000 Go do it!
00:41:22.000 And if there's an obstacle, then let's talk about the obstacle.
00:41:24.000 But if you are spending all your life focused on everything around you and why it's bad, and you're doing that because you lack a sense of purpose, you're not going to be happy.
00:41:34.000 You're going to despair.
00:41:34.000 You're going to feel like there's no one there to pick you up.
00:41:37.000 We all have to be together to pick ourselves up.
00:41:39.000 And I don't mean through government.
00:41:40.000 I mean through shared values and shared community and a social fabric built up over the course of 3,000 years of Judeo-Christian history.
00:41:47.000 This is tragic, tragic stuff.
00:41:49.000 Okay, let's do a little bit of the mailbag.
00:41:51.000 John says, Hey Ben, I want to ask you to elaborate on why you think Marbury was wrongly decided and judicial review is not the role of the Supreme Court.
00:41:58.000 I'm not too knowledgeable in this area, but I've never heard this argument before and it seems pretty interesting.
00:42:01.000 Any thoughts would be great, thanks.
00:42:02.000 So, the basic idea here is that if you read the Federalist Papers, as we do every week, what the founders envisioned is that all of the branches would check one another.
00:42:10.000 The judiciary would check the executive, the executive would check the legislative, the legislative would check the judiciary, and all of the rest.
00:42:16.000 Making the Supreme Court the final purview of constitutional adjudication prevents a final check from taking place.
00:42:23.000 It means that only the Supreme Court has the purview of interpreting what the Constitution means.
00:42:28.000 The very oaths that people take upon taking office in the United States Congress or upon taking office in the presidency is to uphold, protect, defend the Constitution of the United States.
00:42:38.000 Their interpretations matter just as much as the judiciary's interpretation of the Constitution.
00:42:43.000 So the idea that the judiciary can say what the Constitution is, and use that to strike down laws, seems to me a wild misrepresentation of what the judiciary was meant to do.
00:42:54.000 There's nothing in the Constitution itself that says that the judiciary gets to take a law from the legislature, hold it up against the Constitution of the United States, or an action of the executives, in the case of Marbury v. Madison, and then strike down that action.
00:43:08.000 It actually takes power away from the American people, and it removes responsibility from the American people to vote for politicians who will uphold the Constitution.
00:43:15.000 Instead, we sort of outsource it to the judiciary, and then pretend that the judiciary is a non-political implement.
00:43:21.000 Now, the case against me is that in Federalist 78, Alexander Hamilton talks about judicial review a little bit.
00:43:27.000 He talks about the idea that the judiciary is there to interpret the law, and should the judiciary become a political body rather than anything else, then it would stop Okay, but that's exactly what it's done.
00:43:40.000 Because the judiciary has been given the power to interpret the Constitution, it's become a political tool.
00:43:44.000 Sole power means authoritarianism from any branch.
00:43:47.000 Jacob says, "Dear future Chief Justice Shapiro, "I'm proposing to my girlfriend, "who I've known for 10 years next Saturday.
00:43:52.000 "Any words of wisdom on how not to screw it up?" How not to screw it up?
00:43:57.000 Well, first of all, when you say you're proposing to your girlfriend, we have to determine which sort of proposal we're talking about.
00:44:02.000 Do you know she's gonna say yes?
00:44:03.000 Or is this an actual proposal?
00:44:05.000 So I have this whole thing about how you see people and they're like, "Oh, you know what?
00:44:08.000 "I'm gonna set up my beautiful proposal story.
00:44:10.000 "I'm gonna go and I'm gonna rent a blimp "and it'll write across the sky.
00:44:13.000 "Will you marry me, Charlene?" And Most of the time, the answer is already yes, right?
00:44:18.000 You're just doing this for like a big show so you can tell all your friends.
00:44:21.000 I don't like those proposal stories.
00:44:22.000 I think they're BS.
00:44:23.000 I think that the thing that is important is the original time you asked the question.
00:44:28.000 And the original time you asked the question You know, the question is why she has not committed heretofore.
00:44:34.000 If the real question is how do you convince her, then the answer should be obvious, which is you commit to her.
00:44:40.000 You say, listen, I want to give you the rest of my life.
00:44:42.000 That's what I want.
00:44:43.000 I want to give you the rest of my life and I want to partner with you in this journey.
00:44:47.000 You're the person that I choose to be my partner in this journey to create a family, to create the fundamental building block of society, share values.
00:44:54.000 To be with until I die because, you know, things are going to be great and things are going to be tough.
00:44:59.000 But because we believe in the same things and we share the same soul, then we should be together.
00:45:04.000 So just transcribe that and then say it to her.
00:45:06.000 Andrew says, Hey, Ben, I used to disagree with you about my parents, about parents staying together for the sake of the children, even if they want a divorce.
00:45:12.000 My parents are still together for 33 years.
00:45:14.000 But it's clear they are deeply unhappy.
00:45:16.000 In any event, I have a friend who has had six children and eight years with his wife.
00:45:19.000 Now he's talking about leaving, even though he said he'd still take care of his kids.
00:45:22.000 I told him it was too late to back out now.
00:45:24.000 He disagreed, so we had a friendly argument.
00:45:26.000 By the end, I was fully advocating and agreeing with your position on the subject.
00:45:30.000 I was surprised to see how quickly my thoughts on the subject changed through the course of a single conversation.
00:45:34.000 Have you had an experience where your mind was rapidly and unexpectedly changed on a subject?
00:45:38.000 If not, what has been the fastest amount of time you've changed your mind on something?
00:45:42.000 Well, new evidence tends to change my mind.
00:45:45.000 And usually, changing your mind, I think that even in the course of this conversation, Andrew, it wasn't the conversation that changed your mind.
00:45:52.000 I think that you had heard this opinion Articulated many times, the one you ended up at.
00:45:56.000 Many times, and this was the final straw that broke the camel's back.
00:45:59.000 The art of persuasion is not trying to convince someone in one conversation.
00:46:02.000 It's building up a case, a case, a case, and then finally there's a piece of evidence that breaks the camel's back, and that's how you end up at that position.
00:46:08.000 That happens to me on a fairly frequent basis.
00:46:10.000 My guess is that that's what happened to you here.
00:46:11.000 Kevin says, what are we going to do about the robots?
00:46:14.000 Automation, lethal autonomous weapons, drones, machine learning, taking jobs, etc.
00:46:19.000 Well, big question.
00:46:21.000 My basic thing is, I think that we are the ones who set the parameters for the machines.
00:46:25.000 If we are not setting parameters on lethal weaponry with self-learning capacity, then we don't, we wouldn't like Skynet.
00:46:31.000 But I'm really not that worried about technology taking jobs, because every technology ever created has created more prosperity and more jobs over the course of time.
00:46:39.000 Stephen says, Hi, Ben.
00:46:40.000 I'm considering visiting Israel.
00:46:42.000 Any tips or suggestions for things to do or places to visit?
00:46:44.000 Thanks.
00:46:44.000 I love your show.
00:46:46.000 Israel's an amazing country.
00:46:47.000 You should try to see as much as you can top to bottom.
00:46:49.000 It's also an incredibly small country, so you can actually do this.
00:46:52.000 Everybody visits Jerusalem, which, of course, you should.
00:46:55.000 I'm not, like, that keen on visiting Tel Aviv.
00:46:58.000 Tel Aviv is basically just like any other American city, so I don't think that you gain all that much from Tel Aviv per se.
00:47:03.000 If you're looking for sort of the culture of Israel, I would recommend that you go to Tzfat, which is the mystical city in Israel, Safed.
00:47:10.000 The mystical city in Israel is pretty fantastic.
00:47:12.000 Akko, the Acre.
00:47:14.000 Which is a historic site in terms of Israeli history.
00:47:18.000 For the Crusades it was obviously a historic site as well.
00:47:20.000 That's well worth seeing.
00:47:21.000 You should go see Judea and Samaria if you can.
00:47:24.000 You should go out to see Ephrat which is a Jewish settlement so you can see what a settlement actually looks like.
00:47:29.000 You should go up to Rosh HaNikra, which is at the top of Israel.
00:47:31.000 Go look over the border at Lebanon.
00:47:33.000 See how close everything is.
00:47:34.000 You should go see the Golan Heights.
00:47:36.000 So you can see that when people talk about Israel giving up the Golan Heights, they're absolutely out of their damned minds.
00:47:42.000 But Israel is so fantastic because you can see all of these things in the course of just a few days.
00:47:47.000 And go see all the historic sites.
00:47:48.000 Go see the site where David fought Goliath.
00:47:50.000 Go see the valley.
00:47:51.000 It's really, it's just, it's an amazing, amazing place.
00:47:55.000 Ashley says, what is your opinion of genetic engineering from a moral and policy standpoint?
00:47:58.000 Thanks, Ashley.
00:47:59.000 Well, I think that genetic engineering is appropriate when you are attempting to avoid disease.
00:48:03.000 It is not appropriate when you are attempting to better the child more than nature would.
00:48:09.000 So, for example, if you are selecting for, let's say we have the capacity to select for higher IQ than we can normally select for.
00:48:16.000 I'm not a big fan of this idea.
00:48:17.000 I'm not a big fan of this idea because now you're getting into basic eugenics.
00:48:21.000 However, if we're talking about, if you could just tweak the genetic code and prevent Tay-Sachs, for example, to prevent suffering, then I think that that would be something worthwhile.
00:48:30.000 It's the difference between sort of optional surgery and non-optional surgery in the post-birth world.
00:48:36.000 I'm generally not a huge fan of non-optional surgery.
00:48:40.000 You know, if you're just getting a surgery because you want your tummy to look a little bit better, I don't think that it's, like, tremendously immoral, but I don't think it's good.
00:48:46.000 When you're talking about actively changing how someone's entire life will go, I think that you're looking at immorality and handing a power to a doctor that that doctor should not have.
00:48:54.000 But if you're talking about a cancer surgery, obviously that's necessary.
00:48:57.000 If you're talking about preventing cancer in a baby, that's necessary.
00:48:59.000 Getting rid of a BRCA gene or something.
00:49:02.000 If you're talking about the possibility of changing the eye color of a kid, this gets into, I think, really dangerous territory where you're genetically engineering kids to create some sort of master race.
00:49:14.000 Brad says, "Hi Ben, are Dineshra Seuss's books "like The Big Lie or Death of a Nation historically accurate?" Parts yes, part no, I would say.
00:49:23.000 I think that Dinesh... I'm trying... So, Death of a Nation, I have read.
00:49:28.000 The Big Lie, I have not.
00:49:30.000 So, Death of a Nation, there's a lot there that is historically accurate.
00:49:33.000 I think that Dinesh overshoots his case a little bit in some of these books.
00:49:37.000 I think that he uses an exaggerated form of the case, like the idea that the Nazis learned everything they needed to know about eugenics from the Democrats.
00:49:45.000 It was a worldwide eugenic movement, and the Democrats were part of it, and so were the Nazis.
00:49:49.000 I think the idea that Democrats are the greatest force against human freedom, and that all the other bad guys learn from the Democrats.
00:49:58.000 I have some problems with that.
00:49:59.000 I think you can argue that the Democrats were a force against human freedom and for eugenics and for human rights violations in the 19, 1900s, 1910s, 1920s, 1930s.
00:50:06.000 I think all of that's true, but I think exaggerating the case is not.
00:50:13.000 Particularly necessary.
00:50:14.000 Casey, and by the way, I like Dinesh.
00:50:16.000 I'm friendly with Dinesh.
00:50:17.000 Casey says, Hello, Ben.
00:50:18.000 In my discussions with pro-choice individuals, the question that I always seem to get hung up on is what about the aftercare of women who no longer have abortions?
00:50:24.000 If we managed to sway the country to where abortions no longer happen, what would you recommend or what are your thoughts on how we would take care of the women that are no longer having abortions and may very well be single parents?
00:50:33.000 I really enjoy your opinions and podcasts.
00:50:34.000 OK, this is the last question.
00:50:35.000 So my so I think that we don't focus enough on the on the amazing thing that adoption is.
00:50:42.000 I think we need to focus on the courage of people who take adopted babies.
00:50:46.000 It is a courageous thing to take a baby who is not born of your genetics and to try and raise that child.
00:50:52.000 I have too many friends who have adopted and I see what they go through depending on who the kid is.
00:50:55.000 And I see that they love these children as much as their own genetic children if they have both.
00:51:00.000 These are amazing people.
00:51:01.000 Taking an adopted kid is basically the greatest thing that you can do in this life, I think.
00:51:05.000 And beyond that, I think that a mother who has the courage to see that her child needs a mother and a father, and is willing to make the emotional sacrifice of giving up her own child to a better situation, knowing that a better situation exists, that's an act of courage as well.
00:51:18.000 And women who do that, instead of killing the baby in the womb, those women should absolutely be celebrated.
00:51:23.000 Okay, time for some things I like, and then some things that I hate.
00:51:27.000 So, things that I like.
00:51:29.000 I do love this.
00:51:30.000 So, Payless.
00:51:31.000 Payless Shoes.
00:51:32.000 They opened up a pop-up store.
00:51:35.000 And they called the pop-up store Palesi.
00:51:38.000 P-A-L-E-S-S-I.
00:51:41.000 And it is spectacular.
00:51:42.000 So, here's what they did.
00:51:44.000 Payless opened a fake pop-up store called Pelesi in an LA mall and invited influencers to the grand opening.
00:51:49.000 The store was stocked with Payless shoes in disguise.
00:51:51.000 A woman in a TV ad was holding a pair of $20 sneakers and she said, I would pay $400 or $500 for these sneakers.
00:51:59.000 Another shopper called the Payless shoes elegant and sophisticated.
00:52:02.000 The stunt even included a sleek website and an Instagram account.
00:52:05.000 About 80 influencers attended over two nights, according to Payless.
00:52:08.000 They shelled out a total of $3,000.
00:52:09.000 of $3,000, one shopper spent $640 for a pair of boots, which represented an $1,800, an 1,800% markup.
00:52:17.000 Payless returned their money and let them keep the shoes, Payless said the influencers were paid a small stipend to attend.
00:52:24.000 So Payless said that this social experiment was meant to remind shoppers that Payless's affordable shoes are fashionable as well.
00:52:30.000 What it actually reminds people is there's a lot of social science research to back this up.
00:52:34.000 People don't just buy things because they think that those things are nicer so they pay a more expensive price.
00:52:39.000 People on the upper end buy things that are expensive because they think that the price itself dictates the quality of the product.
00:52:46.000 They think that a product that is identical but costs more must be nicer because we've all learned that if people are willing to pay more for something, that means that it's nicer.
00:52:54.000 So you will see retailers who will actually retail things for an extraordinary markup.
00:53:00.000 Particularly in the fashion industry, where taste is subjective.
00:53:03.000 And then, because it's really expensive, people think that it's better.
00:53:07.000 People think that it's nicer.
00:53:08.000 And so the markup in the fashion industry is really, really strong.
00:53:10.000 This is why competition is so necessary.
00:53:13.000 But, here's the thing.
00:53:15.000 Could Paylessy have gotten away with this indefinitely?
00:53:17.000 No.
00:53:17.000 Because what would have happened over time?
00:53:18.000 What would have happened over time is somebody would have bought a Payless pair of shoes for $20.
00:53:21.000 And then, Presumably, after three weeks, when the Payless pair of shoes starts to fall apart, for example, when these boots don't hold up the way an actual $640 pair of boots hold up, then the reviews start coming in on Paylessy.com and on Amazon.com, and people begin to realize that these boots are not worth it, and the place goes out of business.
00:53:40.000 This is why people misunderstand fraud in capitalism.
00:53:43.000 They're like, well, you know, capitalism, it leads to fraud.
00:53:45.000 People are going to defraud people.
00:53:47.000 Capitalism is a repeat iteration game.
00:53:52.000 There are many iterations in capitalism.
00:53:54.000 It's true, you can be defrauded if you're buying a singular thing one time.
00:53:57.000 But if you have lots of people over time buying lots of things, then eventually people start to actually critique, particularly in an area where social media is active.
00:54:05.000 People can actually critique the product over time and realize that these boots are actually not as nice as the boots that are more expensive.
00:54:10.000 And then we find out.
00:54:11.000 But this actually means we have to do our research.
00:54:13.000 It's why it's good that there are review sites.
00:54:14.000 It's why it's good that people are able to give feedback online.
00:54:17.000 And it's why people tend to trust that feedback online over time.
00:54:21.000 Okay, let's do a quick thing I hate.
00:54:23.000 I'll save the other thing that I like for next week.
00:54:25.000 So, things that I hate.
00:54:30.000 One thing that drives me absolutely up a wall is Neil deGrasse Tyson's science.
00:54:37.000 So, listen.
00:54:37.000 I love science.
00:54:39.000 Science is fantastic, right?
00:54:40.000 I'm a huge science fan.
00:54:41.000 I like evidence.
00:54:42.000 I like science.
00:54:43.000 What I don't like is when people suggest that science is a category that rules everything.
00:54:50.000 That you can determine morality from science.
00:54:52.000 You cannot.
00:54:52.000 You cannot determine morality from science.
00:54:54.000 This is Sam Harris's argument.
00:54:55.000 I think it completely fails.
00:54:57.000 Neil deGrasse Tyson does something else.
00:54:59.000 He basically says, what I believe is science.
00:55:02.000 What you believe is anti-science.
00:55:04.000 So here's what he tweeted out yesterday, and it is just dumb.
00:55:07.000 He tweeted out a picture of the new robot that has landed on Mars and is taking pictures, which is super cool, by the way.
00:55:14.000 It is pretty amazing.
00:55:16.000 We put a machine 300 million miles away on a planet and it's taking pictures and sending them back to us.
00:55:22.000 We're the first human beings in history to have ever seen pictures like this.
00:55:26.000 In any case, here's what he tweeted.
00:55:28.000 Scientists and engineers launched InSight from Earth, a moving platform, across 300 million miles to arrive where Mars, a moving target, will be seven months later, landing safely to do geophysics at the Martian equator.
00:55:39.000 And you have a problem listening to us about climate change?
00:55:43.000 Okay, two things.
00:55:44.000 One, NASA engineers are good at what they do.
00:55:48.000 Their modeling is good.
00:55:50.000 It worked.
00:55:51.000 You know, we know it's good because it worked.
00:55:53.000 When it comes to climate change, all of the modeling so far has been wrong.
00:55:56.000 So, if you were to say, like, I could apply the same exact standard to scientists created the Challenger.
00:56:02.000 It blew up on takeoff.
00:56:05.000 Should we trust those people with climate change?
00:56:08.000 Because you are competent at this thing does not mean that you are competent at this thing, particularly when they are in separate areas of science.
00:56:14.000 This, JPL, NASA, this is all physics.
00:56:17.000 It's not quite the same thing as climate physics or climatology, which has a lot of factors, the modeling has not been proper, and all the rest.
00:56:25.000 The idea that because I have a problem with your solutions on climate change, I therefore have a problem with your science on climate change is nonsense.
00:56:34.000 Everything I've ever said about climate change is cribbed from the IPCC reports.
00:56:38.000 When I talk about the range of variability of the climate over the next hundred years, when I talk about the levels of certainty of that variability, I'm quoting from the reports that Neil deGrasse Tyson likes.
00:56:49.000 I'm quoting from the federal reports.
00:56:50.000 When I talked earlier this week about the 10% reduction in GDP that's supposed to happen over the next 100 years, and I pointed out that that was double the RCP 8.5, the highest risk scenario.
00:57:01.000 When I said that, that is from the report.
00:57:03.000 I am not making that up.
00:57:04.000 I am trusting the scientists.
00:57:05.000 But Neil deGrasse Tyson basically says you should listen to me on everything because some other scientist who is not me did something that is not climate science.
00:57:13.000 Science is not fungible.
00:57:15.000 You can't actually do that.
00:57:16.000 That's not how this works.
00:57:18.000 Really, really stupid stuff from Neil deGrasse Tyson, but again, I don't, it's, stupidity, just because you're a scientist doesn't mean you don't say dumb things from time to time, and Neil deGrasse Tyson's Twitter account is filled with some dumb things.
00:57:31.000 Okay, we will be back here next week.
00:57:32.000 I'm sure there will be many more updates on everything Russia and Mueller related, so you're gonna wanna stay tuned to Trump, season four.
00:57:39.000 It's pretty spectacular.
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