Ben Shapiro explains why he thinks President Trump won the 2016 election. He also explains why the culture war has begun and why CNN likes boobs and tweets about it. And he explains why you should not care about why Trump won because it has nothing to do with the issues. Ben Shapiro is a conservative commentator and host of the podcast "The Ben Shapiro Show" on the Fox News Channel. He's also the host of "The Weekly Standard" and hosts the conservative think tank "The Civility Project." He's a regular contributor to The Weekly Standard and has been featured in the New York Times, CNN, and other publications. He is a frequent guest on CNN and other conservative media outlets, and is a regular guest on Fox News and other right-wing media outlets. Ben's book "Why Trump Won" is out now and is available for pre-order on Amazon Prime and Vimeo worldwide. It's also available on iTunes, Podcoin, and many other platforms, including Audible, iTunes, and Podcoin. Thanks for listening and share the podcast with your friends and family! Tweet me and tell us what you thought of this episode and what you think of it in the comments section below! Timestamps: 1:00:00 - Why Trump Won? 4:30 - How did Trump win? 6:00- Why Trump won? 7:00sucks? 8:15 - Why I think Trump is a better president than Hillary Clinton? 9:40 - Who's going to win in 2020? 11: Why Trump has a better chance to win the 2020 election? 16:30- Why he's a better presidential candidate? 17:10 - Who s going to be the next? 18:10 Why Trump's base is more authentic than Hillary's base? 19:00 22:00 -- Why Trump wins? 21:00 | Why Trump is more authentically authentic? 26:30 -- Who's winning? 27:00 Why Trump s a conservative? 29:00 Is Trump better than Hillary s base better than Sarah Palin better than the most authentic guy? 30:00 Does Trump have a chance of winning the 2020 campaign? 31: Does he really have a shot at it? 32:30 35:30 | Why he won the nomination? 36:00 What s the real choice? 33:00
00:00:25.000We'll be talking about the Emmys in a little while.
00:00:28.000But before we talk about the Emmys, first I want to talk about all the things political that are actually important or quasi-important for a couple of reasons.
00:00:35.000One is because the Emmys are less important than what's actually going on.
00:00:39.000I'm going to give you the entire narrative.
00:00:40.000And then, also because if we show too many clips of the Emmys, then Facebook gets mad at us.
00:00:45.000We'll be showing clips of the Emmys a little bit later in the show.
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00:02:22.000As I say, I could begin with the Emmys, but before I get to the Emmys, I really want to talk about why I think President Trump won.
00:02:29.000Now what's really interesting is when you talk about why President Trump won, I know it's sort of an old topic, but there's a phrase that's used very frequently.
00:02:36.000You'll see a piece of news and somebody will say, that's why Trump won.
00:02:40.000And you'll see a piece of news and somebody will say, that's why Trump won.
00:02:42.000You notice it's never a piece of news that actually has to do with politics.
00:02:46.000It's never a news that has to do with politics per se.
00:02:48.000It's always something that has to do with the culture.
00:02:50.000It's always a kindergarten forces young kids to be confronted with transgenderism.
00:02:56.000Or a baker is forced to cater a same-sex wedding.
00:03:12.000The reason I say this, and the reason I think this is deeply important, is because it's very easy to get caught up in the idea that President Trump won because of a particular political viewpoint.
00:03:23.000That's important because right now President Trump is obviously in the middle of a shift toward the middle.
00:03:27.000He's obviously shifting his politics from what people would consider the normal hardline right, the kind of Ann Coulter populist right.
00:03:35.000He's shifting from there to many democratic policies and there are a lot of pundits, people like Ann, who have been saying, well he's going to lose his support base, right?
00:03:42.000This is the perspective of Steve Bannon as well, that he ran on all these populist issues and that's why he won.
00:03:47.000I don't actually think that's why he won.
00:03:49.000You know, Ross Douthat, during the election cycle, a guy who's sort of more mainstream traditional conservative than than Coulter or Bannon, he was saying the whole time that Trump won because he talked about issues nobody had talked about before.
00:04:00.000Tariffs and trade and higher taxes and all this kind of stuff.
00:04:04.000I really don't think that's what it was.
00:04:06.000I think that a lot of the support for President Trump was attitudinal.
00:04:09.000I think a lot of it was about attitude.
00:04:14.000We'll get to the Emmys in a little while here.
00:04:16.000But that's why the Emmys matter because if you watch the Emmys, the Emmys will drive more votes into President Trump's column than anything he does in terms of straight policy this year or next.
00:04:27.000The culture war is what people are hit with in the face every day.
00:04:31.000They're not hit with policy every day.
00:04:32.000Most of the policies you live with are made at the local and state level.
00:04:35.000They're not made at the federal level.
00:04:37.000Your life probably did not change all that much when President Obama was president on a policy level.
00:04:44.000I mean, our tax rates went up and down.
00:04:45.000If you were in a business, you had to deal with the Obamacare shtick.
00:04:48.000But if you're just a normal employee of a company,
00:04:52.000Your life probably did not change radically thanks to President Obama, or thanks to George W. Bush, or thanks to Bill Clinton, or thanks to Ronald Reagan.
00:05:00.000The fact is, in our mass media era, what matters most is the culture war.
00:05:05.000Everyone wants to focus in on the political war, what matters most is the culture war.
00:05:13.000President Trump's in the middle of a policy shift, and the shift is pretty thoroughgoing.
00:05:16.000Tom Cotton, who's been an ally of the president, senator from Arkansas, he was ripping on President Trump's plans with regard to the DREAM Act over the weekend.
00:05:25.000Now remember, President Trump campaigned on the idea that everyone has to go.
00:05:34.000And now President Trump says we're going to re-enshrine President Obama's Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals.
00:05:38.000We're going to legalize everybody between the ages of 16 and 31 by 2012 and who had arrived in the country before 2007 and doesn't have a criminal record.
00:05:46.000We're going to legalize all those people.
00:07:13.000Triangulation just means that he was going to do popular stuff with the opposite party, and his own base didn't care because, again, Bill Clinton was a culture warrior, and all that matters is the culture war.
00:07:40.000He, I think the President realizes that the best policy comes from bipartisan discussions, and he wanted to host one and tell us that he's very interested in our input.
00:07:52.000And so Joe Manchin and Joe Donnelly and myself were invited to sit down with John Thune from South Dakota, Orrin Hatch from Utah, Ron Johnson from Wisconsin, and Pat Toomey from
00:08:06.000Pennsylvania and really spend a lot of time visiting about, you know, what our expectations were for tax reform, try and figure out where the sweet spot is.
00:08:16.000But we also talked about infrastructure and being from New York.
00:08:19.000I mean, there's a major shift to the left by President Trump.
00:08:21.000Now, he was talking about this during the campaign that we're going to spend lots on infrastructure, but obviously this is not typical mainstream conservatism.
00:08:28.000We complained when President Obama dumped a trillion dollars, or close to it, in his stupid stimulus package that didn't do anything for the economy.
00:08:39.000This is a big win for conservatives, the idea that Trump was going to pull out of the global warming-oriented Paris Accords.
00:08:45.000This was in an accord that supposedly committed us to moving toward a zero net carbon emissions economy.
00:08:54.000Rex Tillerson, the Secretary of State, now he's walking it back.
00:08:57.000He's saying, well, Trump might actually stay in the Paris Accords now.
00:09:00.000Again, the right was celebrating this.
00:09:01.000Do you think that Trump's going to lose a lot of votes because of this?
00:09:05.000But there's a chance that if things get worked out, both on the voluntary side from the U.S., the voluntary restrictions for the U.S., that it could change, but then also with China, there's a chance the U.S.
00:09:17.000The president said he's open to finding those conditions where we can remain engaged with others on what we all agree is still a challenging issue.
00:09:25.000Okay, so again, another issue where President Trump is obviously moving to the left.
00:09:29.000Is it going to lose him a lot of votes?
00:09:31.000Here's why I don't think it's going to lose him a lot of votes.
00:09:33.000I don't think that it's going to lose him a lot of votes, because the truth is, most people didn't vote for Trump thinking he was an ideologue.
00:10:01.000He's just going to do whatever he thinks is good for himself.
00:10:04.000Well, it doesn't make me question that because I think all of us recognize that outreach for what it is, and that's purely transactional, purely something that will come up from time to time when the president decides it's in his personal interest to work with Democrats.
00:10:19.000This is a president, look, who has no ideology.
00:10:47.000This is something Andrew Breitbart, one of my mentors, was very big on.
00:10:50.000This idea that the culture was upstream of politics.
00:10:53.000That what we imbibe from the culture around us is much more important than the politics of a given situation.
00:10:59.000And this is particularly true of Trump.
00:11:01.000Again, Trump is currently governing like a moderate Democrat.
00:11:04.000Okay, what he's done over the last couple of weeks has been stuff that is straight from the Democrat playbook.
00:11:08.000It is not from the conservative playbook.
00:11:10.000But, in a cultural way, Trump is offensive to the left, and the left is offensive to the Trump people, and therefore, there is a war going on, even though he's now currently governing with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.
00:11:21.000Pretty amazing stuff, and I'm going to get to that culture war in just a second, and why I think that President Trump, this is one area where I think Trump is quite astute.
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00:14:40.000It's still a little funny, but the part that's not so funny about it is that the President of the United States is the one who's actually retweeting it.
00:14:47.000It really is not particularly appropriate for the President of the United States to retweet things about him physically assaulting a fellow presidential candidate, let alone a female presidential candidate, because again, the left is just going to cry sexism.
00:15:02.000So long as Trump is willing to be quote-unquote politically incorrect and tweet this stuff, then he's gonna love it and the left's gonna hate it.
00:15:08.000So he's using the culture war in order to avoid the political war, okay?
00:15:13.000In WWE, I can't say I'm a WWE connoisseur, but I know this much.
00:15:17.000You have the stock villains, and you have the stock heroes, and they fight each other, and sometimes they switch places, and the villain becomes the hero, and the hero becomes the villain, but everybody is playing a particular kind of role.
00:15:27.000And in the end, they go out back and they drink with one another.
00:15:29.000It's not they actually hate each other.
00:15:47.000They see that President Trump dislikes the left on a cultural level.
00:15:50.000He's willing to retweet stuff like this that shows malice with regard to Hillary Clinton, and they like that.
00:15:56.000It doesn't matter that he's cutting deals with all of her friends.
00:15:58.000Chuck Schumer's good friends with Hillary Clinton.
00:15:59.000Nancy Pelosi is good friends with Hillary Clinton.
00:16:01.000None of that matters because, again, it's cultural.
00:16:03.000Tucker Carlson, I think, gets this exactly right with regard to Trump, and it's why Trump has his finger on a pulse a lot of us don't follow.
00:16:09.000You know, a lot of us are very interested in data, and so we like polls.
00:16:15.000That being said, Tucker Carlson is right, and I think Trump is right when he says that Trump grants a lot more credibility to watching TV than he does to polls, and I think that there is some... I think there is something to that.
00:16:26.000I think there's something smart about that.
00:17:06.000I think that if you're looking, I think it's actually very smart and very astute for President Trump.
00:17:09.000Now, it may just be that he likes watching TV, but it's also true that what we watch on TV may be more indicative of what we truly feel than what we tell pollsters.
00:17:20.000When you watch TV, that's sort of instinctual, right?
00:17:23.000You get up in the morning, or you're going to sleep at night, you flip on the TV, you put on what you enjoy, you don't feel judged, and then you watch what you watch, and they're measuring the ratings.
00:17:31.000That's not the same thing as when a poster calls you and says, what do you think of X?
00:17:34.000Now you have to go through a conscious process.
00:17:37.000Daniel Kahneman talks about this in sort of a different context, the idea that you have almost two systems in your brain.
00:17:42.000You have System 1, which is the fast-moving, instinctive system, and then you have System 2, which is the rational system that sort of overrides the instinctive system when you kick it in.
00:17:52.000And we tend to mistake things that we're doing in System 1 for things that we're doing in System 2.
00:18:12.000And when you go to vote, are you voting with System 1 or System 2?
00:18:16.000I think you're voting with System 1, and I think you're justifying it with System 2, at least the vast majority of voters.
00:18:20.000I think the vast majority of voters have a gut feeling about a particular candidate, and they decide how they're going to support that candidate, and then they make up an excuse later.
00:18:28.000I think a lot of people who were instinctively put off of President Trump on the left, it wasn't that they hated his policies because he was closer to their policies than any Republican candidate of my lifetime.
00:18:38.000No, it was that he himself made them feel yucky, and so they found a rationale for not voting for him.
00:18:44.000And I think the same is true on the right with Hillary Clinton.
00:19:07.000So what happens when you have a population that's voting based on System 1, this instinctive, quick, make-the-move system in your brain,
00:19:14.000But the policy that we need is based on System 2.
00:19:17.000What if we're electing people because we instinctively like them or dislike them, but what we actually need to be doing is engaging System 2, thinking about the policy.
00:19:24.000In other words, we should be thinking more about the DREAM Act and infrastructure and the Paris Accords than we are about Trump hitting a golf ball and hitting Hillary Clinton in the back and retweeting it.
00:21:32.000That's why we in the media tend to focus around flashpoints.
00:21:36.000If you look at the flashpoints in American politics, they very rarely have to do with policy and they usually have to do with something sexy in the news.
00:21:43.000So, for example, here's a sexy thing in the news right now.
00:21:50.000Louis regarding this guy named Jason Stockley.
00:21:56.000Jason Stockley was a police officer who shot a guy named Anthony Lamar Smith in 2011.
00:22:02.000I'm going to give you all the details on why this is important in just a second.
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00:23:31.000The media have focused on the peaceful nature of some of the protests, but it's gotten so bad that U2 and I believe Ed Sheeran were both supposed to do concerts in St.
00:24:10.000Anthony Lamar Smith was in the middle of a drug deal, and the police were staking him out.
00:24:15.000He ran from the police after ramming them with his vehicle.
00:24:17.000And then, he finally crashed into an SUV.
00:24:21.000Jason Stockley popped out of the car, he ran over to the car, he took out his gun, there's about a 15 second gap, and then Jason Stockley shot Anthony Lamar Smith.
00:24:30.000He claimed that Lamar Smith was going for his gun, and that he had warned him not to, and that he shot him at basically point-blank range.
00:24:37.000People in the prosecution, this guy was prosecuted, this cop, suggested that Jason Stockley had gone in with the intent to murder Anthony Lamar Smith and killed him and then planted a gun on him.
00:25:14.000Privately an owner of so it's not as though the cops issue that so here you see it from a different angle Anthony Anthony Lamar Smith panics he backs into the cop car in an attempt to get out of there And and drives away, so he basically comes very close to hitting this police officer the police officers hop back in their car and
00:25:32.000The police car dash camera video isn't the best quality, but look closely.
00:25:36.000It starts at the Church's Chicken at Riverview and Thecla.
00:25:38.000You can see the time stamp, December 20, 2011, a rainy day.
00:25:42.000The officers had stopped a car in a suspected drug deal.
00:25:45.000Here, you can see officer Jason Stockley exit the police cruiser.
00:25:49.000In his hand, his own personal weapon, an AK-47, a violation of department policy.
00:25:55.000He raises his hand to a car coming towards him, then points the AK at the car.
00:26:00.000As the car drives away, Stockley then pulls his department-issued weapon and fires it.
00:26:05.000Then he runs back to the police cruiser.
00:26:08.000And he and the officer driving the cop car take chase at high rates of speed.
00:26:14.000At one point, they crash into a tree but continue to pursue the white car.
00:26:18.000A camera inside the squad car also capturing that jarring moment.
00:27:06.000Was this a murder, or was this not a murder?
00:27:08.000So they waived the right to jury trial, and instead they went directly to a judge, which you can do, I guess, in the state of Missouri.
00:27:14.000And the judge ruled that he was not guilty.
00:27:17.000That doesn't mean that he was not guilty in the technical sense, in the full-on guilt and innocence sense.
00:27:22.000It means that he's not guilty according to the letter of the law, because you have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
00:27:26.000So, there are a couple of things that I think are worth noting.
00:27:29.000One, Anthony Lamar Smith was involved in a drug deal, tried to use his car to ram police officers, ran away from the police officers at a high rate of speed, endangering people.
00:27:36.000And then, according to the other officers there, you can hear on the tape, one of the other officers shouts, gun.
00:27:44.000And then the officer, Jason Stockley, shoots Anthony Lamar Smith.
00:27:48.000As far as the idea that he planted a gun in the car and that there was no actual gun in the car, when I looked at the tape, I didn't see a situation in which Stockley actually had the opportunity to plant a gun without other cops around.
00:27:58.000So that means all the other cops would have had to be in on it.
00:28:00.000The prosecution never bothered to call the other cops to testify that he had planted a gun, which suggests either that everyone missed it or that Stockley didn't do it.
00:28:09.000So here is what the judge ruled, okay?
00:28:12.000that the that he it had not been proven that he planted the gun prosecutors argued that the presence of stockley's dna on the gun proved that the gun must have been planted by the officer the defense countered that stockley heard his partner yell gun and saw the driver's hand on a gun as this car sped by him stockley testified he does not draw his service revolver and fire until he saw smith reaching around inside the vehicle after it was stopped he said smith changed his demeanor suggesting
00:28:57.000Because a full-sized revolver was too large for the officer to hide in his pants pocket and he was not wearing a jacket and if the gun had been tucked into his belt it would have been visible on a bystander's video.
00:29:45.000And we all agree that cops should not shoot innocent people.
00:29:46.000So on a policy level, we all agree with this.
00:29:48.000And we agree that if there is evidence that this is a racist shooting, the guy should go to jail.
00:29:52.000Everyone was appalled when there was that case in South Carolina where Walter Scott, a black guy, was shot in the back by a cop and you can see the cop planting a gun next to Walter Scott.
00:30:00.000I believe that he was convicted later.
00:30:03.000But in any case, there was a hung jury.
00:30:04.000In any case, everyone was appalled if he was not convicted.
00:30:07.000But this is a major public policy issue nonetheless, even though it has nothing to do with policy.
00:30:15.000Meaning, people react by saying, this is indicative of a system that's racist, or they react by saying, this is indicative of a bunch of people who are always going to say that the system is racist, even without evidence that the system is racist.
00:30:25.000These cultural issues shift more votes than anything that President Trump does on policy.
00:30:31.000Policy does not shift votes in the same way that culture does, and that is because of the mass media.
00:31:31.000This is the thing that Hollywood really doesn't understand.
00:31:33.000If they were a little bit less overt in their politics, they'd actually be much more effective in shifting the cultural debate.
00:31:38.000But it's the culture war that truly matters.
00:31:40.000People like Trump because they hate the Emmys.
00:31:42.000People like Trump because they hate Stephen Colbert.
00:31:44.000People like Trump because they hate what they saw last night with a bunch of rich
00:31:49.000Puffed up, arrogant elitists who suggest they know best for the rest of America while living in their palatial estates off of Sunset Boulevard and avoiding their taxes by banking offshore.
00:31:58.000That's what people see when they watch the Emmys.
00:32:00.000That culture war matters a lot more than where Trump is on the Paris Agreements.
00:32:03.000So long as Trump continues to show scorn for Hollywood, so long as he shows scorn for leftist cultural institutions, he's going to get away with whatever policy he wants to get away with.
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00:34:51.000What about people who think the news isn't that terrible?
00:35:05.000I mean like there's like half the country that thinks that the news isn't like it's not the stock market's up right I mean like people are getting their jobs back this idea that everything is garbage and that we're all going to die I just I there's not a lot of evidence of that and then we finally get to the end of this and I don't know if we can fast forward to the the graphic where we have the handmaid's tale at the very end of this little musical number there's a there's he brings out a bunch of people to dance for the handmaid's tale and it's a bunch of people in basically spandex lingerie outfits
00:35:39.000So, if you're watching this at home, and you're annoyed by this, and every five seconds there's a Trump joke, you're like, okay, well, listen, if I have to choose between Hollywood and Trump, I'll choose Trump.
00:38:15.000Then we got to Colbert's opening monologue, and his opening monologue really was pathetic.
00:38:20.000Of course, there's no way anyone could possibly watch that much TV other than the president, who seems to have a lot of time for that sort of thing.
00:38:39.000And then they brought out at one point Sean Spicer to mock Trump and to mock himself.
00:38:43.000So Spicer was of course played by Melissa McCarthy, who won an Emmy last night for playing Spicer.
00:38:49.000Alec Baldwin won an Emmy for playing Trump.
00:38:52.000Kate McKinnon won an Emmy for playing Hillary.
00:38:53.000So basically everyone won an Emmy for playing the part of political people, which just demonstrates the merger between politics and entertainment.
00:39:01.000That we only care about the... if we have to choose between Alec Baldwin and Donald Trump.
00:39:05.000Donald Trump wins that battle every time.
00:39:07.000In any case, in the middle of this, Sean Spicer is brought out to make a joke about himself and the left loses their minds over this.
00:39:14.000Sean, do you know... This will be the largest audience
00:39:34.000Okay, so again, what's funny about this, listen, I think it's funny that he did this.
00:39:39.000I think that it's funny that Sean Spicer participated.
00:39:42.000Although, I've objected in the past to all of these politicians participating.
00:39:45.000If we're gonna do it, this is funnier than Obama just showing up on random shows, or Biden showing up on random shows, because he is the butt of the joke.
00:40:13.000People on the left were insulted that Sean Spicer had been normalized.
00:40:17.000These are the same people who say that Chelsea Manning is a hero.
00:40:20.000These are the same people who say that Chelsea Manning... Vice ran a headline today that said Chelsea Manning is the purest soul on the internet.
00:40:27.000But these are the people who say Sean Spicer must never be normalized.
00:40:30.000Ben Rhodes, who's National Security Advisor under President Obama, and who blatantly lied about the Iran deal to the American people for years.
00:40:37.000He said, how could we normalize Sean Spicer?
00:42:33.000So long as it's a culture war, Republicans can win, but conservatives won't.
00:42:38.000Okay, the only thing that conservatives can win on, we can use the culture war to win, but then we have to have a political war where we push for policy.
00:42:45.000It is not enough to react to Kate McKinnon.
00:42:47.000It's not enough to react to Stephen Colbert.
00:42:51.000You then have to promulgate good policy, not move to the left.
00:42:54.000Okay, so just because you hate the Emmys doesn't mean you should support President Trump's policies, even if you think that he's right and the Emmys are wrong.
00:43:01.000Okay, time for a couple of things I like, then some things that I hate.
00:43:56.000Announcing the return of the most glamorous motion picture ever made, David O. Selznick and Alfred Hitchcock bring you the Grand Slam prize winner that made motion picture history.
00:44:08.000Winner of the Academy Award, voted by America's critics as the best picture of the year.
00:44:12.000And now, as a result of a national poll, winning new honors, as audiences throughout the country vote to see it again.
00:44:19.000The Selznick Studios successor to Gone with the Wind, Rebecca, brought to the screen with all the warmth and emotion that made millions of readers acclaim Daphne du Maurier's bestseller as the most exciting love story of our time.
00:44:32.000Okay, one of the things that I like about this preview is that it actually references the book, right?
00:44:35.000How literate is a preview when it actually references specific passages from the book and shows how closely it hues to the book?
00:44:53.000There's a 66-year-old bodybuilder, who I guess is colorblind, and his family got him a set of these very expensive glasses that allowed him to see color for the very first time.
00:45:01.000So here he is seeing color for the first time in his life.
00:46:16.000It is pretty amazing how, I mean, the technology that we have now to be able to do these kinds of things is truly incredible.
00:46:21.000And also, there's something wonderful about the fact that when we finally experience something wonderful in life, we're almost reduced to children again.
00:46:34.000Clay Travis is a commentator on Fox Sports and I'd be remiss if I did not comment on this because it was just making the entire office laugh hysterically last week.
00:46:43.000Clay Travis was on CNN with Brooke Baldwin and I'm not sure the name of the other fellow and he decides to drop his slogan.
00:46:52.000So apparently Clay Travis is sort of almost a quasi Howard Stern-esque
00:46:56.000Sports figure like he drops obscenity on his show and he does this kind of man show vibe And he dropped one of his slogans and Brooke Baldwin was not prepared for it.
00:47:15.000And so once they made the decision that they were not going to allow a conservative, non-sports related commentary, they couldn't do it either.
00:47:38.000So for somebody to come on CNN and to say something like the only thing I believe in in a discussion about something... I'm still there too and I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly.
00:48:58.000Is it possible that we can just say stuff is stupid without us being deeply offended by it?
00:49:02.000You can even see in this clip if you go back to the beginning of the clip you can see when he first says it Brooke Baldwin wants to laugh like you can see she's about to laugh and then she stops herself and she and she decides that it's time for her to get offended like watch her expression when he first says it she actually starts to laugh because she realizes how stupid this whole thing is and then she realizes that she has to get offended because society mandates that we all get offended about stupid nonsense now so here she watch watch Baldwin's face in this
00:49:34.000I just want to make sure I heard you correctly as a woman anchoring this show.
00:49:37.000You can see she wants to laugh, right?
00:50:39.000Cathy Griffin says nipple, nipple, nipple over a piercing.
00:50:42.000This is on live national TV, CNN, right?
00:50:45.000Okay, so if we're going to like whine about national discourse, like CNN, take a look in the mirror again.
00:50:52.000I can say that our discourse has gone down the toilet, and I can also say that we don't have to be deeply offended by Clay Travis liking breasts.
00:50:58.000I'm sorry, I'm not going to pretend to be deeply offended.
00:51:00.000I think Jon Podhoretz's line about this was exactly correct.
00:51:22.000Apparently there's a story out today, by the way, and there's an old prophecy that's been interpreted to say that the world will end on September 23rd.
00:51:30.000If it does, I can't say that we've lost a lot, according to this particular show.