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00:00:00.000Bombs mailed to prominent Democratic figures, Megyn Kelly gets into hot water for her comments on Halloween, and President Trump comes under fire for saying he's a nationalist.
00:00:15.000Man, things are getting quite ugly out there, and we're going to get into why that is and what we can do to actually stop this.
00:00:22.000Why it is that we are, not only why we're polarized, but what we can do to sort of take the temperature down a little bit, because it seems like that's something we need to do, especially in the run-up to this election.
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00:01:38.000Okay, so the breaking news today is this really, really awful news that explosive divisives have now been found, addressed to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
00:01:47.000This after yesterday, there was a story about an explosive device sent to the home of George Soros, the major leftist donor.
00:01:56.000All of this, of course, is abysmal, disgusting, horrific.
00:01:59.000Whoever is doing this should be arrested, they should be tried, and then they should go to jail for the rest of their lives.
00:02:06.000And what's amazing is that if you say that publicly, there's a group of people who immediately suggest that it's a false flag attack, or that, depending on the target of these sorts of bombs, that it's okay, which suggests to me that there is a collective
00:02:18.000A sort of collective mental illness that's fallen across a small but significant group of people who believe that the other side is so evil that everything up to and including sending pipe bombs in the mail to them is justified which is just sick.
00:02:30.000That means that we have a sickness in our society that needs to be eradicated.
00:02:34.000A mental sickness in our society that needs to be eradicated.
00:02:38.000Explosive devices addressed to Hillary Clinton's home when the House and former President Barack Obama were intercepted.
00:02:43.000The Time Warner Center that is home to CNN in New York City was evacuated after a suspicious package that apparently looks like a pipe bomb was sent there.
00:02:50.000A suspicious package was also received at the New York City office of Governor Andrew Cuomo, sources told ABC News.
00:02:56.000Which should narrow it down a little bit.
00:02:57.000It sounds like this is probably somebody from New York State if they're sending it to Andrew Cuomo as opposed to, say, Governor Jerry Brown in California.
00:03:03.000Investigators are working to determine whether the two devices addressed to Clinton and Obama are connected to a pipe bomb found earlier this week in the home of mailbox of billionaire George Soros near where the Clintons live in Chappaqua, New York.
00:03:15.000The preliminary belief is that all three devices are of similar pipe-bomb style construction.
00:03:19.000Now, the immediate jump by folks on the left was to suggest that this was a right-winger who hates left-wingers and has been inspired by President Trump.
00:03:27.000As I have said for years now, I despise when people blame individual acts of violence or attempted violence on generalized political rhetoric.
00:03:35.000Unless you are actively calling for violence and someone takes you up on that offer, you're not responsible for the violent actions of people who take you
00:03:44.000To the ultimate extreme in terms of violence.
00:03:46.000So, for example, when a Bernie Sanders supporter went and shot up a congressional baseball game and nearly killed the House Majority Whip, and the media covered it for all of 15 minutes.
00:03:56.000I didn't blame Bernie Sanders because that wasn't Bernie Sanders' fault.
00:03:59.000When a kind of fringe member of Black Lives Matter shot up police officers in Dallas a couple of years ago, right after Barack Obama had made speeches condemning police officers as broadly racist, I didn't say that that was Barack Obama's fault.
00:04:13.000It was an act of evil on the part of a person who was actually evil or mentally ill or both.
00:04:19.000And that had nothing to do with Barack Obama's words.
00:04:23.000I think that you can raise the temperature in society and do serious damage to the society because you have raised the temperature of that society, but I'm not going to attribute individual acts of violence and evil to individual political viewpoints unless those viewpoints are actively calling for violence.
00:04:36.000And to do anything less leads to the sort of censorship that makes the country a worse place in that way.
00:04:42.000If you believe that free speech is inherently connected to violence, you're more likely to crack down on free speech in order to prevent that violence, and that seems to be more of a broad danger than individuals in the United States who do evil things.
00:04:54.000So with that said, obviously this is really, really bad stuff, and it goes to the question of motives.
00:05:00.000Because what we are seeing now, why is this breaking out so much?
00:05:03.000Why are we seeing ricin sent to Susan Collins in Maine?
00:05:08.000Why are we seeing rocks thrown through the windows of Kevin McCarthy's offices in California?
00:05:14.000Why are we seeing bombs put in George Soros's mailbox?
00:05:17.000It's because they're a group of people who have been fully convinced that the other side, and I don't just mean the other side ideas, I mean people who are on the other side are actively members of evil.
00:05:30.000You know, that sort of rhetoric is responsible for heating up the temperature.
00:05:35.000It's not responsible for individual acts of violence, but it is responsible for an increase in the temperature, and the more you increase the temperature, the more you can expect that there are going to be people who are going to go to the ultimate extreme of attempting to engage in violence.
00:05:48.000You've seen it on the left, you've seen it some on the right, and it's really ugly no matter how you slice it.
00:05:52.000It seems to me that a lot of this is springing from
00:06:00.000And the basic failure of values is something that we call in Hebrew, there's a Hebrew commandment that you're supposed to consider everybody in their best possible light.
00:06:09.000The Hebrew phrase for it is, which literally means that you're supposed to think of everybody's merits.
00:06:33.000Instead, we immediately jump to, this person is the worst person in the world, and their rhetoric is obviously intended for the worst possible effect.
00:06:40.000Now, I can't say I've been innocent in this, because I don't think anybody in politics is innocent in this.
00:06:44.000But I do think that we're going to have to start trying to attribute to people, perhaps, a less vicious motive than we have been attributing to them so far.
00:06:53.000Because people hate each other, not because of what they do, but because of what they think the other person is thinking.
00:06:59.000That's where we are in American society.
00:07:01.000It's one thing to hate another person because of something that they do.
00:07:06.000Somebody murders your father, you're allowed to hate them.
00:07:08.000But what we have come to in society is actions that can be interpreted in a couple of ways, and we have decided to interpret them in the least flattering, most nasty way about somebody else.
00:07:18.000So to take an example, there's a religious baker in Colorado.
00:07:20.000He says, listen, I don't want to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding because I believe that homosexuality is sinful.
00:07:26.000We immediately attribute that to malice.
00:07:28.000We immediately attribute that to, that's because the baker is a mean man who hates gay people.
00:07:33.000Never mind that the baker has been serving gay couples for years in his establishment, and he's just saying, I don't want to be roped or hamstrung into violating my own religious precepts.
00:07:41.000No, we have to attribute to him hatred.
00:07:43.000We have to attribute to him viciousness.
00:07:45.000And we see this on the other side as well.
00:07:47.000There are folks on the left who will say things like, well, I want nationalized healthcare.
00:07:51.000And instead of us saying, on the right, well, maybe they want nationalized healthcare because they don't understand the issue, or because they misunderstand how nationalized healthcare works, or because they have a good faith argument about how we should redistribute resources, instead we go to, it's because they want control.
00:08:08.000Once you start explaining people's motives without reference to their actual behavior,
00:08:13.000You're going to get yourself into hot water politically and you're going to divide the country on a more significant and long-lasting level.
00:08:18.000And yet this is also... Here's the problem.
00:08:21.000This is also the stuff that wins you elections.
00:08:23.000The stuff that wins you elections in today's society...
00:08:26.000is castigating your opponent as morally somehow deficient.
00:08:31.000Saying that your opponent is not just wrong, but evil.
00:08:33.000You know, Ronald Reagan was famous for saying that it isn't that Democrats are just evil, it's that they know so much that isn't so.
00:08:41.000In other words, he attributed to ignorance what he could not attribute to malice.
00:08:46.000And it's a rule that I've had on the program.
00:08:48.000Try to attribute to stupidity what you can't attribute to malice.
00:08:52.000But when it comes to political fights, the easiest thing to do is attribute malice to the other side.
00:08:58.000And you're seeing this manifest in a couple of different ways.
00:09:00.000Let's take, for example, the way that the left has decided to read President Trump's comments about nationalism.
00:09:05.000So the President of the United States gave a speech a couple of days ago in which he was talking about illegal immigration.
00:09:10.000And President Trump is no stranger to character attacks.
00:09:12.000He uses them on a fairly frequent basis against his political opponents, whether they're former opponents like Ted Cruz or whether they are opponents in the Democratic Party.
00:09:21.000It's a lot more effective to attack somebody's character than to attack their ideas.
00:09:24.000Because we tend to vote based on whether we think somebody is a good person or not, not based on whether we believe their ideas are good.
00:09:32.000See, evaluating ideas takes time and effort.
00:09:34.000Evaluating ideas requires you to actually sit there and determine whether you think that the evidence is there to support a particular idea.
00:09:40.000But evaluating a human being, you can do like that.
00:09:43.000And science tends to show that that's exactly how we deal with other human beings in our daily life and in politics more broadly.
00:09:48.000When you meet somebody, you tend to make a judgment about that person within the first five seconds of meeting them, whether you think this is a good person or a bad person, a nice person or a mean person, a person who you think is going to benefit your life or a person who's going to be a detriment to your life.
00:10:02.000That's a lot easier and a lot more instinctive.
00:10:04.000The human brain is built for that, rather than thinking through, okay, what are the policies that this politician is suggesting?
00:10:10.000We as a society need to start thinking about the policies a lot more and stop attributing motives so much.
00:10:15.000But again, it is easier and more electorally lucrative to suggest evil motive on the part of people that you face down.
00:10:22.000Character attacks are deeply effective.
00:10:23.000I wrote an entire book about this in 2013 called Bullies, and the entire premise of the book was that basically the left had decided to leave
00:10:56.000The real point that he's making is that his priorities are the protection of the American people above all else, and other priorities, such as, for example, kindness or human rights, those take second priority to protection of the nation's borders.
00:11:11.000Maybe for human rights reasons, maybe for charitable reasons, but that's the way he thinks of things.
00:11:16.000We're going to see in a second what President Trump said and also how the Democrats responded because they didn't respond by making a critique of President Trump's ideas or what he was saying.
00:11:24.000Instead, they basically suggested the worst form of President Trump.
00:11:27.000President Trump wasn't spouting an idea.
00:11:29.000President Trump was only saying this stuff because President Trump is a big meanie, a terrible, terrible person.
00:11:33.000Again, this is not unique to one side of the aisle.
00:11:35.000It's just the most convenient example today.
00:11:37.000And we'll get to a couple other examples of it too in just a second.
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00:12:56.000OK, so here's President Trump talking about nationalism and then we'll look at the Democratic response because this is driving up the temperature.
00:13:06.000I keep repeating that because I think it's important.
00:13:08.000I think it's important, especially in light of the fact that somebody obviously sending bombs to Democrats.
00:13:12.000OK, Democrats have been engaged in mob violence and now some crazy person or evil person or both is sending bombs to Democrats in the mail.
00:13:19.000So obviously the temperature has risen on both sides.
00:13:22.000And by the way, there are studies that show this.
00:13:24.000There's a chart I talked about on this program, I think, a couple of weeks ago, when we were in Memphis, that showed the level of hatred within each party for the other party has been rising consistently for years, but it has skyrocketed among Republicans.
00:13:36.000And in any case, here's President Trump talking about nationalism, then you're going to see the sort of failure of that Jewish principle I was talking about, Dan LeKauf's Zichus, the idea of trying to think of people in the best possible light.
00:13:47.000You're going to see how Democrats respond that violates that precept.
00:15:25.000Not Lincoln, not Roosevelt, not Kennedy, not Reagan.
00:15:29.000This president is more like George Wallace than George Washington.
00:15:32.000OK, I mean, that is about as vile a statement you can make about another human being as is possible.
00:15:36.000And this is a guy who says that he wants a new kind of politics, and then he maligns the president of the United States as George Wallace, an active segregationist.
00:15:43.000It's an amazing statement, but again, not unexpected from Joe Biden, a man who suggested that Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney, the most milquetoast candidate in American history, wanted to put black people back in chains during the 2012 campaign.
00:15:56.000These sort of character attacks have been happening since long before Trump, and they continue unabated on the part of people on both sides, but the left really has ramped it up.
00:16:04.000There's no question the left has ramped it up.
00:16:05.000I think the right has ramped it up in reactionary response.
00:16:09.000So, Maisie Hirono, senator from Hawaii.
00:16:12.000When President Trump says that he's a nationalist, she says maybe it's because he's a white supremacist or an anti-Semite.
00:16:18.000We should stop giving him the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't understand what he means when he refers to nationalists or any of these other terms.
00:16:27.000These are not just dog whistles, but it's bullhorns.
00:16:49.000When the president says nationalism, that is not what he is saying.
00:16:52.000He is saying that he prioritizes the United States' border security over the human rights of people trying to make their way across that border.
00:16:59.000You may disagree with that, but there is no way that that has anything to do with racism or anti-Semitism.
00:17:03.000But this became the actual talking point across the left yesterday.
00:17:23.000When you're demonizing Middle Easterners and making the suggestion that they're terrorists and so on in that caravan without offering any proof, and then calling yourself a nationalist in front of thousands and thousands of people, I don't think it's a stretch for a lot of Americans out there to wonder whether or not the president is secretly considering himself a white nationalist.
00:17:44.000So much objective journalisming there from Jim Acosta.
00:17:47.000I don't think it's any wonder that people ask whether the president is a Nazi when he says things like, we should protect our border and nationalism.
00:17:54.000I mean, flashback to Barack Obama 2005 saying exactly the same thing.
00:17:58.000Barack Obama actually said this, right?
00:18:00.000Here's Obama circa 2005 when he was just a senator, barely a glint in the nation's eye.
00:18:05.000Here he was saying exactly the same thing as Donald Trump.
00:18:08.000We are a generous and welcoming people here in the United States, but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
00:18:23.000We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.
00:18:39.000Okay, so, you know, again, I guess that Barack Obama, way back when, was a sort of white nationalist also, you know, being half-white.
00:18:47.000I guess that he was a white nationalist as well.
00:18:49.000It wasn't just Jim Acosta, who, at this point, basically everything that he says should be prefaced with, Dear Diary, because he says all of the quiet stuff out loud.
00:18:57.000It was also NBC News' Peter Alexander, more objective journalism-ing from the mainstream media on the issue of nationalism.
00:19:04.000I mean, undertones that are not just racial, they're xenophobic.
00:19:07.000This is something that the president has sort of shied away from in the past.
00:19:11.000Obviously, nationalism was a phrase that Steve Bannon obviously embraced over the course of the campaign, and a lot of the president's opponents tried to pin this idea on him.
00:19:23.000I'm somebody who has said that I prefer patriotism to nationalism.
00:19:25.000I don't think that nationalism alone is enough.
00:19:27.000I think there are ties that bind us, ties of history, ties of culture, but what actually makes the United States the United States is the root idea embedded in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and backed by 2,000 years of Judeo-Christian history, or rather 3,000 years of Judeo-Christian history.
00:19:41.000That's what makes the United States the United States, is the idea of classical liberalism combined with cultural conservatism.
00:19:48.000That's what makes the United States unique.
00:19:50.000That is a unique idea in world history.
00:19:52.000So I'm not such a big fan, even, of the president using nationalistic language.
00:19:56.000But to suggest that that is white supremacy is just idiocy.
00:19:59.000But again, this comes back to the basic idea.
00:20:02.000You want to raise the temperature in a country?
00:20:04.000You want to raise the hackles of people on the other side?
00:20:09.000All you have to do is just question motives day in and day out.
00:20:12.000And that's what we are now in the business of doing.
00:20:14.000And again, I want to work on this myself.
00:20:16.000Every time I give some sort of, you know, values advice, I try to think about how often I violate those values.
00:20:24.000I think we all should work on it because the truth is that in a country where we agree on 90% of our values, we really do, I think, in the end, agree on 90% of our values, the only way you can divide us is by
00:20:36.000Castigating people who disagree with you on the manifestation of those values as evil, nasty, bigoted, horrible people.
00:20:44.000By the way, this is how you got Trump on the left.
00:20:45.000I mean, you wanna know how you got Trump?
00:22:54.000Well, the soft stuff that they were doing was they were talking about Halloween costumes.
00:22:58.000Well, this always gets into dicey areas because as soon as you start talking about limits on Halloween costumes and what should be allowed and what shouldn't be allowed, people get very easily offended by Halloween costumes to the point where people on the left have been suggesting in recent years that white girls shouldn't be able to dress up as Moana for Halloween.
00:23:31.000And this goes to the central contention I'm making today, which is that people are jumping to the worst possible conclusion about people's motives without actually analyzing what the motives are.
00:23:40.000So here is Megan talking about Halloween costumes involving putting on black makeup or darkening your skin for a costume.
00:23:51.000Okay, so she got in all sorts of trouble because she said when I was a kid it was okay to dress up as like Diana Ross.
00:24:09.000Like I was a big Diana Ross fan, and in my neighborhood if somebody darkened their skin to look like Diana Ross, because if you just put on a fright wig, you know, to look like Diana Ross, people still didn't know who you were, so you darkened your skin or whatever.
00:24:40.000When we had the roundtable discussion earlier today about the controversy of making your face look like a different race as part of a Halloween costume, I suggested that this seemed okay if done as part of this holiday where people have the chance to make themselves look like others.
00:24:51.000The iconic Diana Ross came up as an example.
00:24:54.000To me, I thought, why would it be controversial for someone dressing up as Diana Ross to make herself look like this amazing woman as a way of honoring and respecting her?
00:25:00.000I realize now that such behavior is indeed wrong, and I am sorry.
00:25:03.000The history of blackface in our culture is abhorrent.
00:25:06.000I've never been a PC kind of person, but I understand that we do need to be more sensitive in this day and age, particularly on race and ethnicity issues, which, far from being healed, have been exacerbated in our politics over the past year.
00:25:16.000This is a time for more understanding, love, sensitivity, and honor, and I want to be part of that.
00:25:19.000I look forward to continuing that discussion.
00:25:21.000I'm honored to work with all of you every day.
00:26:01.000Blackface has a long, terrible history in the United States.
00:26:04.000People actually dressing up as black folks in order to mock them was something that happened on a frequent basis all the way up till the 1950s and 1960s in the United States.
00:26:13.000And you can go back and you can watch old videos on YouTube of people dressing up, making their faces black, and giving themselves big lips in really, really racist fashion, and then singing Mammy songs in order to mock black folks.
00:26:26.000And it's very much the same thing as in anti-Semitic cultures for centuries where people would put on a hook nose and they'd put on a fake belly and curly side locks and then they would suggest that they were Jewish, right?
00:26:39.000Dressing up as a culture to mock that culture is disgusting, unacceptable, actually racist.
00:26:45.000Now, is that what Megyn Kelly was suggesting?
00:26:48.000This is where we get into the issue of assuming people's motives.
00:26:52.000Here's my opinion on people darkening their face for costumes like this.
00:26:57.000I agree that it's inappropriate specifically because of the past and I think that it is fair for people to look at this sort of thing and be sensitive about it.
00:27:03.000But I think it would also be worthwhile to recognize there is a difference between being ignorant slash racially insensitive and being racist.
00:27:11.000Nowhere was Megyn Kelly suggesting that black people should be mocked.
00:27:14.000Nowhere was Megyn Kelly suggesting that black people are inferior in any way.
00:27:18.000In fact, what Megyn Kelly was suggesting is that maybe white people want to dress up as some famous black people because they admire those famous black people.
00:27:24.000That is not the same thing as people dressing up in blackface.
00:27:26.000Now, again, that doesn't mean that it's okay to go to a frat party dressed as a black person with black makeup on.
00:27:33.000And you should take into account black people's feelings about historic use of this sort of costuming for mockery.
00:27:41.000But I also think there's a difference between even a frat boy going to a party and a little girl who decides that she wants to dress up as Michelle Obama and so she puts on dark makeup.
00:27:49.000Because I think that you can pretty easily tell the difference in motives.
00:27:52.000The attempt to misattribute motives in our society is really gross.
00:27:58.000And Megyn Kelly was not attempting to be racist by that statement.
00:28:01.000At best, you know, at worst, at worst, Megyn Kelly was being ignorant of the history of blackface and the impact it still has on black folks in the United States.
00:28:17.000And yet, here is CNN's Don Lemon suggesting that Megyn Kelly actually is a racist because there's never been a time when blackface was acceptable.
00:28:24.000First of all, he doesn't know where she lived.
00:28:26.000He doesn't know what kind of parties she went to.
00:28:30.000So if his suggestion is that Megyn Kelly was a racist when she was seven years old because she dressed up as Diana Ross and blackened her face for it,
00:28:37.000I would suggest that Don Lemon doesn't really know what he's talking about.
00:28:41.000He may know what he's talking about historically with regard to blackface, but again, there's a difference between darkening your face for a costume to praise an African-American person and darkening your face to mock African-American people.
00:28:53.000And again, I've said several times in the segment, I still don't think that you should do it to praise African-American people specifically because there are too many black folks who are going to look at that and say, well, maybe you're mocking me.
00:29:03.000Maybe the real reason you're doing that is because you're mocking me.
00:29:05.000So out of sensitivity, you shouldn't do that.
00:29:07.000But the attempt to immediately attribute the worst available motive to Megyn Kelly is really telling, and it says something about the nastiness of our politics right now.
00:29:47.000You wanna know how we should deal with these issues?
00:29:49.000Really how we should deal with these issues?
00:29:51.000The same way that Jamie Foxx deals with these issues.
00:29:52.000So Jamie Foxx is obviously an incredibly prominent black man in the United States, has made lots of money as a musician, as an actor, very talented guy.
00:30:01.000He's very close friends with Robert Downey Jr.
00:30:04.000A few years ago, he did a podcast with Joe Rogan.
00:30:06.000And in the middle of this podcast, the question of Robert Downey Jr.
00:30:09.000actually putting on blackface for the movie Tropic Thunder came up.
00:30:54.000Okay, so when Jamie Foxx suggests you have to know where it's coming from, there are some people who are bad out there who don't like you, but Robert Downey Jr.
00:31:33.000Okay, the controversy lasted about five minutes, because Tom Hanks said, listen, that never should have happened, it was inappropriate, I don't know what was going on there, I understand people were offended, and everybody said, right, Tom Hanks isn't a racist, we know he didn't mean to mock black people, we know that he's not interested in somehow hurting black people, and everybody got on with their lives.
00:31:52.000But because we are interested right now in what can we pin people to the wall over, that makes for the worst available country, the worst version of ourselves.
00:32:00.000And that has to stop, whether we're talking about Megyn Kelly, or whether we're talking about President Trump, or whether we're talking about the attempt to nail people on the other side of the aisle in reverse.
00:32:10.000Okay, I'm going to talk a little bit more about this, plus I want to talk about the latest on the caravan issue in just a second, plus there's some breaking news on the return address of the suspicious packages.
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00:33:41.000Okay, I want to give you an update on this bomb situation in just one second.
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00:34:59.000Okay, so the update with regard to these bombs, that there was a return address that was put on the labels to Debbie Wasserman Schultz's office.
00:35:06.000That doesn't mean that Debbie Wasserman Schultz is actually sending these bombs.
00:35:09.000It means that somebody is probably trolling by doing exactly that.
00:35:12.000Okay, so I want to talk a little bit more about where we are as a society and how we cure all of this.
00:35:20.000Again, we need to start with the premise that the people that we are talking about generally do not have harm in mind.
00:35:26.000That their goal is not to destroy us in any way.
00:35:29.000If we figure that, then we can have normal elections.
00:35:43.000I mean, the reality is that we all grew up in the same milieu.
00:35:45.000Our values are not all that different.
00:35:47.000Even the most right-wing members of the United States and the most left-wing members of the United States theoretically agree on certain basic values, like freedom of speech and treating each other compassionately and decently.
00:36:03.000I think that's one of the problems with the country.
00:36:05.000But one of the ways that that split is exacerbated is by simply assuming that political disagreement reflects underlying character differences.
00:36:11.000Now, speaking of political disagreement and, you know, the polarization of our politics, that social fabric, those common values, as I say, are being split.
00:36:21.000And you're seeing it in some of these Democratic campaigns.
00:36:24.000One of those campaigns is from Stacey Adams.
00:36:26.000She's the Georgia gubernatorial candidate for the Democrats.
00:36:29.000And she was caught on tape talking about free markets.
00:36:35.000And I am sick and tired of hearing about the free market being the solution to this problem.
00:36:41.000Because I've never seen the free market right of prescription in rural Georgia.
00:36:48.000Stacey Abrams, if you can't hear her, she's saying that the free market has never solved any problems in the medical field, which is obviously untrue.
00:37:00.000These are baseline root issues in American politics.
00:37:02.000Do I think Stacey Abrams is therefore lacking in character?
00:37:47.000And apparently Stacey Abrams is directly from the American president.
00:37:51.000And then there was a story that I saw today about a guy who looks exactly like David Schwimmer robbing a liquor store and robbing it of beer.
00:37:59.000So Ross from Friends has been cut loose.
00:38:03.000Donald Trump is the president of the United States.
00:38:05.000Scott Adams is the guy who says we may be living in a simulation.
00:38:08.000I'm starting to maybe believe that we are just living inside a weird, weird, weird script.
00:38:12.000But in any case, the divisions that are growing in the country, those need to be rectified, but they cannot be rectified in any serious way unless we stop attributing the worst available motives to everybody.
00:38:26.000And that holds true even with regard to some of these stupidities like the worship for Beto O'Rourke, which is foolish, but I don't think it's coming from a place of
00:38:33.000People who are bad, I think, is just coming from a place of people who fall in love with politicians in the dumbest possible way.
00:38:39.000Now, speaking of attributing bad motives, let's talk about the latest on the caravan.
00:38:43.000So, the illegal immigrant caravan continues to move up through Mexico.
00:38:46.000They're about a thousand miles from the border right now, probably less.
00:38:49.000There are apparently 10,000 people who are walking toward the border.
00:38:53.000The folks who are in that caravan, as I've said, I think many of them are looking for a better life.
00:38:58.000They're looking to come into the United States.
00:38:59.000That doesn't mean that the United States has to admit all of those people or any of those people.
00:39:03.000The United States gets to pick and choose who we decide to admit to the country.
00:39:06.000And yet this is cast as a great moral issue.
00:39:09.000If you believe that America should secure its border, this means that you are racist and nasty and bigoted and terrible.
00:39:14.000And if you believe that people should be admitted to the country because they need a better place to live, then this is because you don't care about America's interests.
00:39:23.000The truth is that people who believe in free flow of immigration, even free flow of illegal immigration, generally they believe that that makes the country better because on a moral level we have to uphold certain charitable instincts.
00:39:35.000I disagree with that assessment, but that's where that's coming from.
00:39:38.000And for people who say we have to secure our border, that is also coming from a good place.
00:39:41.000It's coming from the idea that any country that wishes to preserve its strength so that it can help other people has to have limits on who gets to enter the country.
00:39:50.000So again, there's a way to explain this debate in which we examine everybody's best motives.
00:39:55.000It's hard to do that in a polarized political environment.
00:39:59.000It's hard to do that in a polarized political environment.
00:40:01.000So, President Trump, he had said about this illegal immigrant caravan that there were random Middle Easterners in the middle of it and criminals in the middle of it.
00:40:27.000There could very well be is not a good answer to an accusation that you made about people who are trying to come into the United States.
00:40:37.000Again, that is a political tactic by the president in order to get people to talk about the incipient criminality of the folks who are in that march.
00:40:45.000But it's another way of polarizing politics.
00:40:47.000This is why I've said both right and left are responsible for what's happening right now in the country.
00:40:50.000I'm not going to pretend that this exists only on one side for my own political purposes.
00:41:22.000And I think, Tucker, you have to tell the truth to your audience, and you don't have, you have to make sure that people are not lying about this caravan, because the people from the Middle East are not part of this caravan.
00:41:35.000Okay, but what are you, let me just, let me just say.
00:41:37.000Stupidity on one side drives stupidity on the other.
00:41:39.000When the president says they're Middle Easterners without evidence who are part of the caravan, and the left says, well, they're no Middle Easterners, that means the caravan's good.
00:41:46.000This is not the central argument in any way, shape or form, obviously.
00:41:50.000The central argument about the caravan is whether the United States ought to have borders that are protected or whether the United States is obligated by morality and decency and international law to let people freely cross the border.
00:42:00.000Making that latter case is Tom Perez, who's the head of the DNC.
00:42:03.000And this gets down to the root of the issue.
00:42:04.000And this is where Americans really should be deciding the issue, not on the basis of stupidities about Middle Easterners and a caravan, but on the basis of what are the values we wish to uphold as a country and how do we protect the country best.
00:42:14.000Here's Tom Perez giving the wrong answer to Jake Tapper on CNN.
00:42:17.000We are a nation of laws and the laws that are on the books deal with issues of refugee and asylum status.
00:42:25.000And those are the laws that have always applied.
00:42:28.000It's a humanitarian issue of significance.
00:42:32.000And our laws require that people be treated with dignity and given that process.
00:42:37.000Okay, well, they are given that process.
00:42:39.000They can go to any checkpoint that they wish to go to and they can apply for asylum in the United States.
00:42:43.000Again, the implication by Tom Perez here a little bit is that folks on the other side don't want to treat people who are trying to cross the border illegally with dignity.
00:42:53.000The theme of today's show, and what should be the theme of our politics, is if we want to have serious discussions with folks on the other side, we have to cut out the idea that there are inherently bad, evil folks who are manifesting that bad and that evil in ways designed to destroy the country.
00:43:06.000If we actually believe that, then we are five minutes from civil war.
00:43:09.000If we actually believe that the other side is Hitler, then we are justified in trying to kill Hitler.
00:45:21.000Adolf Hitler also killed 6 million people in a genocide and 11 million people total in mass murders, leaving aside the number of people who died overall in World War II.
00:46:45.000I've never ever been invited on any late night comedy show.
00:46:47.000The only comedy show I've ever been invited on was Trevor Noah, and I insisted that if I were going to do an interview with Trevor Noah, it had to be live in front of the audience.
00:46:53.000I was not going to be taped and then cut apart the way they did to Jonah Goldberg when Jonah was on Trevor Noah's show.
00:47:55.000But one of the things that I love about the psalms, and the reason that they carry over time, the reason that they've been crucial to religious people's understanding of God for thousands of years, is because the psalms don't sugarcoat things.
00:48:06.000Now, for all the people who believe that religious people think that everything is hunky-dory, that we're living in this kind of fantasy world where everything is great and nothing bad ever happens, all you have to do is read the anguish that is implicit in the Psalms, and you know that King David and King Solomon and all the folks who are writing the Psalms, that these Psalms are deeply in tune with
00:48:27.000It's a pretty harsh indictment of God, right?
00:48:45.000Ned Flanders' approach by the secular left to religion, that everybody who's religious is actually just, everything's hunky-dory, everything's great.
00:48:51.000That's not how religious people feel about things at all.
00:48:54.000This is why it's so weird to folks who are religious when non-religious people say to them, well, you know, how can there be a God when bad things happen in the world?
00:49:01.000It's like, oh, you're the first person who thought of the question of theodicy.
00:49:04.000You're the first person in history who thought of that question.
00:49:07.000Now that you've said that bad things happen to children, I guess you've defeated me.
00:49:11.000This is legitimately an argument made by people who are secular all the time.
00:49:14.000Well, you know, if God is good, then why do bad things happen?
00:49:24.000And that's not always a comforting answer.
00:49:27.000But it is a true answer, and it's a reality-based answer.
00:49:30.000Psalm 10 says, It's interesting how wicked folks are characterized not just as people who do other people harm, you know, hunting down the weak, but also they're characterized as folks
00:49:50.000Who don't spend any time thinking about God.
00:50:05.000People who genuinely are wicked, including religious people, spend very little time thinking about higher morality or what is demanded of them by their God.
00:50:12.000Instead, they're spending a lot of time thinking about what they want.
00:50:24.000Obviously, King David led a pretty rough life, right?
00:50:30.000I mean, this is a guy who was being chased from place to place by King Saul.
00:50:34.000He was constantly in threat of murder.
00:50:36.000His kingdom broke down over succession disputes between his own children, several of whom died in the process of him maintaining his kingdom.
00:50:45.000When you talk to a religious person, if you're secular, even if you're not religious, you should recognize that religious people do think about the serious problems of life on a daily basis.
00:50:53.000Their answer may be different than yours.
00:50:54.000I think it's a more inspiring answer than the secular answer.
00:50:56.000And I think it's also a truer answer than the secular answer.
00:50:58.000The secular answer is basically, bleep happens.
00:51:01.000The religious answer is, bleep happens, but that's because God is in charge.