The Ben Shapiro Show - Will Trump Get His Revenge?

00:00:00.000 Well, folks, as you probably noticed, the show is very short today.

00:00:02.000 There's a reason for this.

00:00:03.000 There are things I can't say here.

00:00:04.000 But if you head on over to Daily Wire Plus or the Ben Shapiro Show on Twitter, you can see the parts of the show we can't post here.

00:00:09.000 Trust me.

00:00:10.000 You want to check it out.

00:00:10.000 It's spicy stuff.

00:00:11.000 For now, let's get into the latest on Trump.

00:00:13.000 And one of the most shocking moments in American history, President Trump showed up in Miami yesterday to plead not guilty in his arraignment.

00:00:20.000 He's been arraigned on 37 charges.

00:00:23.000 The 37-count indictment surrounding the mishandling of classified material, obstruction of justice, and other behavior surrounding his handling of classified documents.

00:00:31.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, he lashed out at federal prosecutors and portrayed himself as a victim of political persecution hours after pleading not guilty in a Miami court to charges that he illegally retained and shared classified national security documents after leaving the White House.

00:00:44.000 He said this day will go down in infamy.

00:00:46.000 Of course, we went through the details of the indictment just the other day.

00:00:49.000 The indictment does have some descriptions of activities that Very likely transgress on the law if he actually is proved to have done those things.

00:00:58.000 That leaves aside the question as to whether it is correct for the Biden DOJ to prosecute its chief political opposition.

00:01:04.000 Again, two separate questions.

00:01:06.000 There's the legal question as to what Trump did and did it violate the law.

00:01:09.000 Because under that standard, Hillary Clinton also violated the law.

00:01:11.000 And then there's the question of, is it good for the Biden DOJ?

00:01:14.000 And it is the Biden DOJ, as I mentioned yesterday on the show.

00:01:17.000 The simple fact of the matter is that Jack Smith, the special counsel, it's not his fault that he's moving forward with a case that seems pretty clear-cut to him.

00:01:24.000 The real question here is why the Attorney General of the United States, Merrick Garland, who's a political appointee who works for the President of the United States, Joe Biden, is moving forward with this case, given all of the political baggage that is arranged around this case.

00:01:37.000 This is the first time in American history that you have a former president and current presidential frontrunner who's being actively politically prosecuted by the people in the opposing party.

00:01:47.000 Trump is fundraising off of this.

00:01:49.000 He's actually implying that he could receive a maximum sentence of 400 years in prison.

00:01:53.000 He's just saying that in his fundraising letter.

00:01:54.000 So there's the absolute possibility That he could die in prison if he were convicted of these charges, which is, again, an amazing thing to talk about.

00:02:02.000 But that is where we are.

00:02:03.000 Trump put out a letter saying, I honestly cannot believe I just typed those words to you.

00:02:06.000 It sounds like something Stalin or Mao did to eliminate their opposition.

00:02:09.000 Instead, it's happening here in America.

00:02:10.000 Communism has finally come to our shores.

00:02:12.000 And as always, two things can be true at once.

00:02:14.000 One is that Trump may very well have committed the offenses for which he is indicted.

00:02:19.000 And two is that we have never before in American history had a situation in which the current administration is Prosecuting the former president who is the current political opposition.

00:02:28.000 This has never before happened in American history.

00:02:30.000 It's an extraordinarily ugly precedent.

00:02:32.000 And to do so on the basis of mishandling of classified information, even if it's egregious, is insane.

00:02:38.000 And violates a precedent that is not going to be put back in the bottle.

00:02:41.000 And this is where we are right now.

00:02:42.000 Again, James Comey went out of his way in 2016 to say we're not going to prosecute Hillary Clinton because she's an active presidential candidate.

00:02:48.000 And we're not going to involve ourselves in this election.

00:02:50.000 And here you have the DOJ under the current President of the United States who just defeated Donald Trump in an election and presumably might have to run against him again.

00:02:58.000 Having Donald Trump indicted.

00:03:00.000 It is indeed that simple.

00:03:02.000 That is where we are right now.

00:03:05.000 Apparently, Trump went into court.

00:03:06.000 There were no cameras present because of all of the hubbub surrounding this.

00:03:10.000 There was no mugshot.

00:03:11.000 There was a lot of speculation as to whether there would be a mugshot.

00:03:13.000 He got fingerprinted yesterday.

00:03:15.000 And then he sort of did a political tour.

00:03:17.000 So after he left, he went over to Cafe Versailles, which is a very hot political spot here in South Florida, sort of the center of Cuban life down here.

00:03:26.000 It's a great cafe, by the way.

00:03:27.000 They make an amazing cafecito.

00:03:29.000 It's terrific.

00:03:30.000 Trump goes there, and he's hanging out, and his supporters are singing happy birthday to him.

00:03:35.000 So again, there's the legal issue, and then there's the political issue, and the fact that Trump is milking this for political gain, or that people are resonating to his call, that's not a particular shock.

00:03:44.000 Here are his supporters singing happy birthday at Cafe Versailles yesterday to him.

00:03:52.000 What a great group of people.

00:03:56.000 to you.

00:03:57.000 What a great group.

00:03:58.000 Happy birthday to you.

00:03:59.000 Happy birthday dear Donald.

00:04:00.000 Happy birthday to you.

00:04:01.000 Again, this is one of the most controversial prosecutions in American history, probably

00:04:16.000 the most controversial prosecution itself in American history that we're watching happening

00:04:21.000 in real time.

00:04:22.000 What is inexcusable from Trump here is the fact that he knew that they were gunning for him and he did this stuff anyway, right?

00:04:27.000 That's the part that's inexcusable.

00:04:29.000 You totally understand that there are two things, as always, true at once.

00:04:33.000 He is being politically prosecuted here.

00:04:36.000 If Hillary Clinton were in a similar position, she would not be because she wasn't.

00:04:38.000 If Joe Biden were in a similar position, he would not be prosecuted.

00:04:41.000 Donald Trump is being prosecuted for that.

00:04:43.000 Also, Trump knowing that they were coming after him and then specifically engaging in behaviors that made him more vulnerable to political prosecution.

00:04:51.000 I don't know why he would do that.

00:04:53.000 That's just bad judgment.

00:04:54.000 But put that aside for a second.

00:04:55.000 You can see the partisan lines being drawn here.

00:04:58.000 While these supporters are singing happy birthday to Trump and the cameras were on him all day yesterday, from the time that he left Trump Doral, which is his resort down here, one of them, he has Mar-a-Lago and then he also has Trump Doral, that's the one that's closer to Miami.

00:05:08.000 From the time he left Trump Doral yesterday, the cameras were on his motorcade all the way to the courthouse and they were on the courthouse until he left and he went to Cafe Versailles.

00:05:15.000 And you can see the media are just going to essentially convict him before the actual evidence is heard.

00:05:21.000 Jake Tapper, Was watching this happen.

00:05:23.000 He's like, cut away.

00:05:24.000 We can't have any footage of Donald Trump actually, actually being sung to at a restaurant.

00:05:29.000 Why?

00:05:30.000 Really, why?

00:05:31.000 I don't understand.

00:05:32.000 If you're a news organization, it is news.

00:05:34.000 You don't have to love Trump to recognize that the former president of the United States, what he does the day that he is arraigned in federal court makes a big difference.

00:05:41.000 You wonder why the right resonates to Trump.

00:05:43.000 Part of the reason is in reaction to a media that seems firmly convinced that the best thing they can do is shut down anything that Trump says and does.

00:05:50.000 And here's Jake Tapper saying, no, no, no, we're not going to have any of this footage of him being, of people singing happy birthday to him.

00:05:55.000 What?

00:05:57.000 Let's remember what this case is about.

00:05:59.000 Let's remember what this indictment charges.

00:06:01.000 Again, Donald Trump is charged with a series of federal felonies for mishandling the most sensitive government documents that we have and for obstruction of justice, along with Walt Nauda, who is charged with intentionally setting up lies to the grand jury, to the FBI.

00:06:18.000 Any way you look at this, and again, despite whatever may be going on in that restaurant, this case isn't going to be settled legally in a cafe.

00:06:25.000 It's going to be settled in the court based on the facts and law.

00:06:27.000 The folks in the control room, I don't need to see any more of that.

00:06:30.000 He's trying to turn it into a spectacle, into a campaign ad.

00:06:34.000 That's enough of that.

00:06:37.000 Okay, I don't understand even why that's necessary.

00:06:39.000 I mean, like, but again, for the media, that's the whole point, is that if this were a Democrat, obviously they could campaign on that basis.

00:06:45.000 If it's Trump, he can't.

00:06:47.000 It is that sort of oppositionality that is leading to the reactivity of the right saying, well, hold up a second, we can all see what you guys are doing.

00:06:53.000 Trump responded directly to Tapper, as you would imagine.

00:06:56.000 He did so on Truth Social.

00:06:59.000 He said, Fake Tapper just demanded that his broadcast be closed down for Miami because there was far too much enthusiasm on the streets for Trump.

00:07:04.000 The good news is he was the only one to do so.

00:07:06.000 Perhaps a good explanation as to why CNN's ratings are so low.

00:07:09.000 Again, this is the battle that Trump actually wants.

00:07:11.000 The battle, the political battle, I think Trump has the upper hand with regard to sort of the narrative that he is, that he is being hit unfairly and that he has been targeted unfairly since he came down the golden escalator.

00:07:22.000 That, that part's true.

00:07:23.000 That is not going to answer the question as to what actually happens inside the courtroom.

00:07:26.000 We'll get to that in just one moment.

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00:08:32.000 Okay, so yesterday when Trump actually went into the courthouse, he came face to face with the special counsel, Jack Smith, Apparently they were both rather grumpy with one another.

00:08:48.000 Smith is not the one who's actually trying the case.

00:08:50.000 It's a guy named Jay Bratt who leads the DOJ's counterintelligence division.

00:08:53.000 He's the person who's the sole lead attorney in this case.

00:08:57.000 Smith showing up face-to-face is something that Robert Mueller never did when he was going after Donald Trump.

00:09:03.000 So, there was this sort of dramatic moment where they faced off in court.

00:09:06.000 Again, there are no pictures of it.

00:09:08.000 But Trump then posted, quote, this is the thug overturned consistently and

00:09:11.000 unanimously in big cases that Biden and his corrupt injustice department stuck on me.

00:09:15.000 He's a radical right lunatic and Trump hater, as are all his friends and family,

00:09:18.000 who probably planted information in the boxes given to them.

00:09:20.000 So I mean, that's a hell of an allegation is that they actually planted the information in the boxes.

00:09:25.000 Is that gonna be justified by further evidence?

00:09:26.000 I have serious doubts.

00:09:27.000 He's a radical right lunatic?

00:09:29.000 So he's too far right?

00:09:29.000 Again, these are not, this is not the winner for Trump.

00:09:34.000 The winner for Trump is, why is Joe Biden bringing this prosecution?

00:09:37.000 That is the political winner for Trump here.

00:09:39.000 As far as the speed with which this trial takes place, Jack Smith has been saying that he wants this thing to happen fast, but all of these cases drag.

00:09:45.000 I mean, they really drag.

00:09:47.000 So we could be well into 2024 before this thing even hits a courtroom again.

00:09:51.000 Stephanie Siegman, former chief of the National Security Unit of the U.S.

00:09:53.000 U.S. Attorney's Office in Boston said, quote, in every case I had involving classified information,

00:09:57.000 we never had a speedy trial.

00:10:00.000 Siegmund says this case will be designated complex because it involves classified information.

00:10:04.000 So it could easily take months and months and months for this thing even to roll into trial at this point.

00:10:11.000 So Trump left court.

00:10:12.000 The first thing he did is he declared that he was being politically prosecuted.

00:10:15.000 Again, this is going to be his political case.

00:10:17.000 It's not going to bear any weight inside the actual courtroom.

00:10:19.000 But as we've pointed out, even if he's convicted in a courtroom, even if he goes to jail, that does not bar him from being on the ballot.

00:10:25.000 So the political case matters an awful lot.

00:10:28.000 There's every possibility that Donald Trump could win the Republican nomination and then be in jail at the time that the actual election takes place.

00:10:36.000 I should point out here, there's nothing illegal about you voting for Donald Trump at that point.

00:10:40.000 Donald Trump is on the ballot.

00:10:41.000 The only qualifications to be president of the United States is you must be 35 years of age and you have to be a natural-born American citizen.

00:10:46.000 That's it.

00:10:47.000 Those are the only qualifications.

00:10:49.000 Eugene V. Dubbs, actually, back in the early 20th century, ran for president while he was sitting in jail for being a socialist.

00:10:54.000 So, you certainly could do it.

00:10:57.000 And I have to admit that the spectacle of voting for Trump and then Trump winning and then being sworn in from his jail cell and then pardoning himself, I, Donald J. Trump, pardon Donald J. Trump, I mean, just on a pure humor level, that is some pretty amazing stuff.

00:11:10.000 And since we live in God's alternative timeline, I wouldn't put my money against something like that happening.

00:11:16.000 But Trump left the court.

00:11:16.000 He says, I'm not guilty.

00:11:17.000 Here is Trump's response immediately.

00:11:20.000 I think it's going great.

00:11:26.000 I think it's a rigged deal here.

00:11:29.000 We have a rigged country.

00:11:30.000 We have a country that's corrupt.

00:11:31.000 We have a country that's got no borders.

00:11:33.000 We have a country that's got nothing but problems.

00:11:36.000 We're a nation in decline.

00:11:38.000 And then they do this stuff.

00:11:39.000 And you see where the people are.

00:11:41.000 We love the people.

00:11:42.000 And you see where they are.

00:11:43.000 You see the crowds.

00:11:44.000 And everything else.

00:11:45.000 We have a country that is in decline like never before, and we can't let it happen.

00:11:50.000 I'm going to make a little speech tonight in Bedminster, and I hope you're going to be there.

00:11:59.000 OK, so Corrine Jean-Pierre, for her part over at the White House, she's denying that Biden had anything to do with the investigation, suggesting the DOJ is independent.

00:12:06.000 No one believes this.

00:12:07.000 No one believes the DOJ is truly independent because it isn't.

00:12:10.000 You didn't believe it when Trump was president, and you don't believe it when Biden is president.

00:12:13.000 It is Joe Biden's DOJ.

00:12:15.000 Joe Biden runs it.

00:12:16.000 Merrick Garland runs it.

00:12:17.000 They're the ones who have to decide whether the prosecution takes place.

00:12:19.000 They can get the recommendation, then turn it down.

00:12:21.000 They have every ability to do that.

00:12:22.000 By the way, on a pure political level for the United States, that would have been the smart move for Biden, right?

00:12:27.000 Well, imagine for a second, Jack Smith had come out.

00:12:29.000 He said, listen, here's all the information against Donald Trump.

00:12:32.000 I recommend indictment.

00:12:33.000 And Merrick Garland and Joe Biden said, listen, We have an election season.

00:12:37.000 He's my chief political opposition.

00:12:39.000 In this country, we don't arrest our chief political opposition, even if we think that there's a high possibility that he violated the law.

00:12:45.000 Because the American people have to have their say.

00:12:48.000 Imagine if Biden had done that.

00:12:50.000 He certainly could have.

00:12:51.000 It would have been a major political victory for him, but he can't.

00:12:53.000 He can't.

00:12:54.000 So instead, he's going to create and allow the narrative that he himself has signed off on the arrest of his chief political opposition hearest, Karine Jean-Pierre, yesterday, pretending that he had clean hands in this, which, again, he does not.

00:13:06.000 The president's opponents have accused him of weaponizing the DOJ.

00:13:10.000 So just to be clear, can you say categorically that President Biden was not involved or influenced at all any of the decisions into indictment President Biden?

00:13:19.000 Not at all.

00:13:20.000 He was not involved.

00:13:22.000 The president has been very, very clear.

00:13:24.000 The Department of Justice is independent.

00:13:26.000 He wants to restore the independence of the Department of Justice, and that's what you have seen.

00:13:33.000 Yeah, they look like a real independent Department of Justice, which is presumably why Merrick Garland has been going after every police force in the nation and cramming down on parents a bunch of garbage about how they may be part of some sort of group worth investigating.

00:13:45.000 And Merrick Garland, the fully independent, nonpartisan hack over at the DOJ, I truly believe that.

00:13:51.000 Okay, one second, we'll get to the media response to all this again.

00:13:54.000 From a political level, the media response to Trump is going to drive him up in the polls.

00:13:57.000 Because the media are just so terrible at this.

00:13:59.000 We'll get to that momentarily.

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00:15:02.000 Okay, so all this is going down and just like Jake Tapper, the rest of the media are also You know, obviously in the tank on this, but Rachel Maddow over on MSNBC, she refused to cover the Trump rally last night.

00:15:14.000 So Trump had a big rally last night at which he talked about all this.

00:15:17.000 Again, is this just baseline newsworthy?

00:15:19.000 Of course it's baseline newsworthy.

00:15:20.000 Whether you love Trump or whether you hate Trump, it is newsworthy when the former president, who is currently under indictment and was just arraigned, holds a rally where he talks about the newsworthy thing.

00:15:28.000 But Rachel Maddow's like, no, we're not even going to expose you to the evil vitriol of President Trump.

00:15:33.000 MSNBC is just too far above all of it.

00:15:36.000 We knew heading into this that he was planning to make these remarks.

00:15:39.000 We are prepared for his pre-fundraiser remarks tonight to again be essentially a Trump campaign speech.

00:15:46.000 Because of that, we do not intend to carry these remarks live.

00:15:50.000 As we have said before in these circumstances, There is a cost to us as a news organization to knowingly broadcast untrue things.

00:15:59.000 We are here to bring you the news.

00:16:00.000 It hurts our ability to do that if we live broadcast what we fully expect in advance to be a litany of lies and false accusations, no matter who says them.

00:16:12.000 These people are a joke.

00:16:13.000 I'm sorry, they're a joke.

00:16:13.000 This is the reason why Trump has credibility.

00:16:15.000 It's because of you.

00:16:16.000 You guys are a joke.

00:16:18.000 You're a sick joke.

00:16:19.000 Oh my gosh, it hurts our credibility to broadcast things we know are untrue.

00:16:23.000 How about five years of Trump-Russia?

00:16:25.000 How about endless speculation about Trump being a cat's paw of Vladimir Putin?

00:16:29.000 You know, that's not true.

00:16:30.000 That doesn't stop you from broadcasting every single shred of it.

00:16:34.000 It's just amazing stuff from MSNBC.

00:16:35.000 And this is the reason why, again, when Trump says my political opponents are after me, he is not wrong about that.

00:16:42.000 When it comes to the actual charges, he could have done all the things alleged, and still he can be right, that his political opposition is out to get him.

00:16:47.000 So yesterday, at his rally, Trump rolled out a couple of forms of defense, and then he talked about what he intends to do next, and that part's interesting.

00:16:55.000 So, he started off with his sort of quasi-defense.

00:16:58.000 Quasi-defense, number one, is that he didn't know what was in the boxes when he took them.

00:17:01.000 He said, under the Presidential Records Act, I had the ability to declassify everything, and I took the boxes, and I didn't know what was in the boxes.

00:17:07.000 So, number one, He himself says on tape that, I mean, they have him on tape apparently, and we'll find out if this is true in court or it's been selectively edited, but presumably, if the indictment is correct, he actively said that he had the power to declassify certain documents and he did not declassify them.

00:17:22.000 So the Presidential Records Act, which is a civil act and not a criminal act, doesn't actually apply in this particular case.

00:17:28.000 And then he says he didn't know what was in the boxes, which may well have been true when he took the boxes.

00:17:31.000 Obviously, this happens with politicians all the time.

00:17:33.000 They take boxes home, there's a bunch of stuff in them, they don't know what's in the boxes.

00:17:36.000 But again, the indictment says that he went through the boxes personally, many of them, and then he tried to hide particular box of documents from his own lawyers.

00:17:43.000 So him saying it now is, you know, not particularly helpful.

00:17:48.000 Here is Trump's defense.

00:17:49.000 Number one, I didn't know what was in the boxes.

00:17:52.000 I wonder who it might have been.

00:17:54.000 Dumped one of the very neatly arranged boxes all over the floor.

00:17:59.000 They were full of newspapers, press clippings, thousands of pictures, thousands and thousands of White House pictures.

00:18:06.000 The White House photographers, some are with us today.

00:18:10.000 They took so many pictures, and we saved all of them, and they were in those boxes.

00:18:15.000 Clothing, memorabilia, and much, much more.

00:18:19.000 I hadn't had a chance to go through all the boxes.

00:18:22.000 It's a long, tedious job.

00:18:24.000 It takes a long time, which I was prepared to do, but I have a very busy life.

00:18:29.000 I've had a very busy life.

00:18:30.000 They make it more busy because you're always fighting.

00:18:34.000 Okay, so here's the problem.

00:18:35.000 That may work politically.

00:18:36.000 Again, I would have assumed that, except for the details in the indictment where it specifically says that he had, I mean, we have text from Walt Mata, his aide, to other Trump employees, including Trump lawyers, talking about bringing boxes directly to Trump so Trump could personally go through the boxes.

00:18:51.000 And then you have text between Walt Mata and other people saying that certain boxes should be put aside and others handed to the lawyers.

00:18:57.000 That's why this case is a problem for Trump.

00:18:59.000 Then he suggested that whatever Trump documents the President takes, he actually has a right to take.

00:19:03.000 That is not true.

00:19:04.000 So here is President Trump making this defense.

00:19:07.000 Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President of the United States.

00:19:14.000 Think of that.

00:19:14.000 That's the decision.

00:19:16.000 Think of that.

00:19:20.000 Now just think of that.

00:19:22.000 In other words, whatever documents the president decides to take with him, he has the right to do so.

00:19:29.000 It's an absolute right.

00:19:31.000 This is the law.

00:19:33.000 Okay, that's not true.

00:19:34.000 The president has the right to declassify anything he wants to do while he is president.

00:19:38.000 He does not have the right to take whatever documents, including classified documents he wants, from the White House and then later declassify them.

00:19:45.000 He's not the president anymore, right?

00:19:47.000 So again, these are not going to be good legal arguments, but the argument that like this is too complicated for people and Joe Biden just wants me not to run, that argument I think is going to be pretty telling.

00:19:55.000 Trump then went after Jack Smith.

00:19:57.000 We'll get to that momentarily.

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00:21:03.000 Okay, so when President Trump went on in this rally yesterday

00:21:07.000 to rip on Jack Smith, who's the special counsel, here's what he had to say.

00:21:11.000 It's no wonder this raging lunatic was shipped off to The Hague to prosecute war criminals using globalist tribunals, not beholden to the Constitution or the rule of law.

00:21:23.000 Two things Jack Smith clearly disdains.

00:21:26.000 You take a look at this guy.

00:21:27.000 He looks like a thug.

00:21:29.000 But then I watched him make a speech the other day, and he was trembling, because it wasn't his territory.

00:21:34.000 He feels much safer in the inner sanctums of the Department of Injustice, where he can be in his room and scream at people.

00:21:46.000 Is that gonna truck a lot of weight inside the courtroom?

00:21:48.000 We have to separate the two?

00:21:49.000 I'm gonna keep separating the two.

00:21:50.000 I understand there are a lot of people on the right who don't want to separate the two.

00:21:52.000 They want to conflate them.

00:21:53.000 And then they want to suggest that because Trump is being politically persecuted, true, this means there's no legal case against him.

00:21:59.000 False.

00:21:59.000 Okay, that is not the same thing.

00:22:00.000 And there are a bunch of people on the left who want to suggest the opposite.

00:22:03.000 That because there may be legal credibility to the charges, true, this means that he's not being politically persecuted.

00:22:08.000 False.

00:22:09.000 Right?

00:22:09.000 Those are two separate questions.

00:22:11.000 And they have two separate ramifications.

00:22:12.000 One is that he may very well get convicted on these charges.

00:22:15.000 And the second is that he may very well be fully...

00:22:19.000 Durable nominee for the presidency of the United States, despite all of that, or maybe because of all of that, because there are a lot of Republicans who are responding to this by saying, if they're after him, that means that we should support him.

00:22:29.000 Now, again, I don't think that's good logic.

00:22:30.000 And I'll explain why I don't think that's good logic in a second.

00:22:32.000 But Trump also is vowing now that he's going to prosecute Biden.

00:22:35.000 And this is the can of worms that the Democrats have opened.

00:22:38.000 Joe Biden opened this can of worms.

00:22:40.000 Say this for Trump.

00:22:41.000 When Trump took office in 2017, he did not lock Hillary Clinton up.

00:22:46.000 He did not direct his DOJ to lock Hillary Clinton up, even though, again, those charges were very much on the table.

00:22:51.000 He didn't do it.

00:22:53.000 I assume the reason he didn't do it is because he went to his attorney general, at that point it was Jeff Sessions, and he said to him, should we do it or should we not?

00:22:59.000 And Jeff Sessions probably said to him, you know it's a really, really bad idea in America to prosecute your chief political opposition.

00:23:05.000 I assume that's a conversation that happened.

00:23:07.000 Because Trump talked throughout the campaign about the possibility of locking up Hillary.

00:23:10.000 People were literally chanting it.

00:23:13.000 Joe Biden has now broken the seal.

00:23:14.000 Once the seal is broken, it cannot be unbroken.

00:23:16.000 So here is Donald Trump vowing to prosecute the Biden family.

00:23:19.000 And guess what?

00:23:19.000 This will happen.

00:23:21.000 Sooner or later, someone from the Biden family will be prosecuted by a Republican in a position of power.

00:23:25.000 Here's Donald Trump.

00:23:27.000 This was an unwritten rule.

00:23:28.000 You just don't.

00:23:30.000 Unless it's really bad.

00:23:32.000 But you just don't.

00:23:33.000 But the seal is now broken.

00:23:35.000 In addition to closing the border and removing all of the criminal elements that have illegally invaded our country, Making America energy independent and even dominant again and immediately ending the war between Russia and Ukraine.

00:23:47.000 and I'll have it ended in 24 hours.

00:23:54.000 I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the

00:24:00.000 history of the United States of America, Joe Biden.

00:24:03.000 Thank you.

00:24:04.000 you And the entire Biden crime family.

00:24:10.000 Again, this is what is going to be on the ballot now from here to the end of time, apparently.

00:24:14.000 Now that this has happened, every time you vote, you have to decide whether you want somebody to go to jail from the opposition party.

00:24:20.000 That's what this is going to be.

00:24:21.000 That's a dangerous place to be.

00:24:23.000 Brazil is doing that now.

00:24:25.000 Lula wants to jail Bolsonaro.

00:24:26.000 If Bolsonaro gets into power, maybe he jails Lula, right?

00:24:28.000 No one knows.

00:24:29.000 That's a dangerous place for any democracy to be.

00:24:31.000 Joe Biden broke that seal.

00:24:32.000 It's egregious.

00:24:34.000 Once you break that seal, it cannot be unbroken anymore.

00:24:36.000 Now, does this mean that Republicans should nominate Donald Trump for the presidency?

00:24:40.000 Again, I understand the emotional appeal of they're going after him.

00:24:43.000 The best way to protect him is to nominate him, which may or may not be true because, again, if he loses, it doesn't really help very much.

00:24:50.000 And the question is whether this is going to have a salutary impact on his candidacy.

00:24:54.000 The reason I say that the logic here is not particularly good is twofold.

00:24:57.000 One, Donald Trump is a person who steps into bear traps.

00:25:01.000 To be smart about how you do politics is a quality that you look for in a successful politician.

00:25:07.000 When you know, again, this is the thing about what Trump did with the classified documents, I can't wrap my head around really.

00:25:12.000 When you know that they are gunning for you, when you know, as is true, Donald Trump is right, that they were gunning for him full time.

00:25:18.000 They literally spent tens of millions of dollars and years on end gunning for him over Trump-Russia stuff that was garbage.

00:25:24.000 When you know that's the case, wouldn't you be like 10 times more careful?

00:25:28.000 Wouldn't you try to avoid that so that you could be the best possible weapon against their ideology?

00:25:33.000 Or would you go to a bunch of silly nonsense with regard to documents that you don't need?

00:25:37.000 Which would you do?

00:25:39.000 And Trump, because he's very blithe about everything, he just goes and he does the latter.

00:25:42.000 Is that the methodology that you want in the presidency?

00:25:45.000 That's a serious question.

00:25:46.000 Is that someone who's going to methodically, day by day, go through and clear out the executive department of all of the dreck in there?

00:25:54.000 Is that somebody who's got any methodology to his madness at all?

00:25:57.000 That's question number one.

00:25:58.000 And then there's question number two, which is, do you think that he is likely to be elected on the basis of this?

00:26:03.000 Because I promise you, now that he has been indicted and arraigned, and now that this case is probably going to drag on through the election, by the way, this won't be the only case.

00:26:10.000 I assume that there will be indictment forthcoming in Georgia also with regard to alleged election interference and all the rest of it.

00:26:16.000 I assume this is not the end of the charges.

00:26:18.000 I assume there will be more coming for Trump on a variety of fronts.

00:26:20.000 Most of it trumped up, I would assume.

00:26:23.000 If that's the topic of the election, do you think Trump wins the election or do you think Trump loses the election?

00:26:28.000 Because here's the thing.

00:26:29.000 Joe Biden is, in fact, a target-rich environment.

00:26:32.000 Joe Biden is running an extraordinarily radical, radical administration.

00:26:36.000 Despite his image as a doddering old man who's unthreatening, Joe Biden is a deeply threatening president of the United States.

00:26:43.000 His administration is malevolent, and that's particularly true on social issues.

00:26:46.000 He's going after children.

00:26:48.000 He's going after families.

00:26:49.000 The topic of the day, the thing I should be talking about at the top of the show today should not be Donald Trump in front of a court.

00:26:54.000 The thing I should be talking about to lead the show today should be the predations of the Biden administration, which get worse and worse day by day.

00:27:02.000 And here's the thing.

00:27:03.000 If people are not talking about that and they're talking about Trump, who do you think skates?

00:27:07.000 Joe Biden's entire electoral strategy in 2020 was I will hide in my basement and you will talk about Trump.

00:27:12.000 And that worked.

00:27:13.000 And that is his strategy, again, as the sitting president of the United States.

00:27:16.000 He will hide in his basement and he will assume that you will talk about Trump.

00:27:19.000 And Trump loves talking about Trump, so Trump will talk about Trump.

00:27:21.000 Is that a good electoral strategy?

00:27:24.000 Again, I'm not asking about your emotional resonance to Trump.

00:27:26.000 I get it.

00:27:26.000 I do.

00:27:27.000 What I'm asking about is who is most likely to win.

00:27:30.000 The person who is focusing fire on Joe Biden?

00:27:33.000 Not for his own personal defense, but because Joe Biden is a very bad president.

00:27:37.000 Or the person who's spending all day talking about how Jack Smith is a thug and how his documents were perfect and all the rest of that.

00:27:44.000 What is more likely to win?

00:27:47.000 When the issue is the Republican, the Republican loses.

00:27:49.000 When the issue is the Democrat, the Democrat loses.

00:27:51.000 Who is more likely as a candidate to make the issue the Democrat?

00:27:53.000 Donald Trump or anyone else?

00:27:55.000 And the answer right now is clearly not Donald Trump.

00:27:57.000 Okay, meanwhile, again, the Biden-Harris White House, they are vulnerable on a score of topics.

00:28:02.000 One of those topics, inflation.

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00:29:43.000 So yesterday, the new inflation stats came out.

00:29:46.000 And the new inflation stats, again, this is year over year, clocked in about 4%.

00:29:51.000 So the White House immediately put out a tweet, quote, great news.

00:29:54.000 Today's inflation report shows the annual inflation is now at the lowest level since March 2021 and less than half of what it was last June.

00:30:00.000 This is giving families real breathing room.

00:30:02.000 Uh, no, it's not.

00:30:04.000 No it's not.

00:30:04.000 So, they then tweeted out a graphic that says inflation has fallen by more than half since last summer.

00:30:09.000 The problem is that they made a mistake.

00:30:12.000 They put the date going all the way back to July 2020 on the inflation rate in the United States.

00:30:17.000 And so we added in a helpful little hint here.

00:30:19.000 Where Joe Biden took office.

00:30:21.000 Do you see where Joe Biden took office?

00:30:22.000 It's a red arrow.

00:30:23.000 Do you see what happened to inflation after Joe Biden took office?

00:30:26.000 Oh.

00:30:28.000 Oh, look at that.

00:30:29.000 Went up to 9% and now it's back down to 4%.

00:30:32.000 But you know where it's supposed to be is between 1% and 2%.

00:30:34.000 So it's still twice what it normally would be.

00:30:37.000 By the way, when we talk about the rate of inflation, we don't mean that the prices have come down.

00:30:41.000 We mean the rate of the prices going up has gone down.

00:30:45.000 Meaning it was going up at a rate of 5% last month.

00:30:48.000 Now it's going up at a rate of 4%.

00:30:49.000 So it's still going up.

00:30:51.000 So yeah, do you feel the breathing room?

00:30:53.000 No one feels the breathing room.

00:30:55.000 This administration, again, they have a lot of vulnerabilities, a lot of vulnerabilities.

00:30:59.000 This is an administration that is still pushing COVID nonsense.

00:31:02.000 Rochelle Walensky, head of the CDC, she was asked about the science on masking children, and she was like, I run a science-based agency, no one believes you.

00:31:11.000 Did political pressure ever impact your CDC guidance on your public statements about COVID-19?

00:31:16.000 Did you ever feel like you were making statements based on political pressure rather than the science that was available?

00:31:21.000 I run a science-based agency.

00:31:22.000 I'm a scientist.

00:31:23.000 And the statements that I made are defended by the science.

00:31:28.000 Oh, yeah, that's what they've done all along.

00:31:30.000 It's just the science.

00:31:31.000 Kevin Kiley, Republican congressperson from California, asked Xavier Becerra, the head of HHS, about the science.

00:31:36.000 Said, did it help to mask two-year-olds?

00:31:38.000 And Becerra's like, we didn't tell people to mask two-year-olds.

00:31:39.000 It's like, oh, yeah, you did.

00:31:40.000 They're going, no, we didn't.

00:31:41.000 It's like, well, yeah, you did, though.

00:31:44.000 We provide a mask mandate, a requirement for jurisdictions that wish to receive money to provide particular services.

00:31:51.000 So Head Start did have a mask mandate for kids, yes?

00:31:54.000 We had a mask mandate for agencies that wish to get federal dollars.

00:32:00.000 So that's a yes.

00:32:00.000 So can you point to any benefit, any public health benefit from that policy, whether it was recommended or enforced or forced, of requiring young children to wear masks?

00:32:11.000 Did families benefit from the policy of using all protection, all precautions to avoid- No, I'm not asking you to rephrase my question as some abstract question that you'd rather answer.

00:32:20.000 I'm asking that you, as the person who's the Secretary of Health and Human Services, right now, can you point to any evidence that there was a public health benefit to forcing young children to wear masks?

00:32:30.000 Well, the fact that today we are not losing lives the way we lost them when we first got into this pandemic- And you think that's because we forced two-year-olds to wear masks?

00:32:41.000 Yeah, the answer is yes.

00:32:42.000 He thinks that, but that's because they're stupid.

00:32:44.000 Again, the vulnerabilities for the Biden administration are endless.

00:32:47.000 Will Republicans make the most of that or will they not?

00:32:49.000 Okay, time for a quick thing I like.

00:32:50.000 So the thing that I like today is there are going to have to be some gatekeepers in the church community.

00:32:55.000 One of the great stories of the last 50 years is the decline of church in the United States and abroad.

00:33:00.000 One of the reasons for that is because churches decided to make their peace with social leftism.

00:33:03.000 They decided that it was really important to give ground to the social left Because that way they could keep the pews full.

00:33:08.000 What they failed to understand is the entire draw of churches saying, here's an eternal value and we are going to continue promoting this eternal value even in the face of the vicissitudes of social and political movements who hate our guts.

00:33:18.000 We're going to stick with our guns because what we have to say is true.

00:33:21.000 A bunch of churches, synagogues, even some mosques.

00:33:24.000 Many of these places decided, no, no, no.

00:33:25.000 What we have to do is we have to make some sort of concessions.

00:33:28.000 to the social liberal movement, and then people will keep coming to church.

00:33:32.000 What they neglected is that the closer they came to social liberalism, the more people were like, why am I even going to church?

00:33:36.000 You know what I could do on a Sunday morning is stay home and watch football and not go to church.

00:33:39.000 You know what's really boring?

00:33:40.000 Church.

00:33:41.000 You know what's uncomfortable?

00:33:42.000 Church pews.

00:33:42.000 You know what's bad?

00:33:43.000 Church music.

00:33:44.000 You know what I could do?

00:33:44.000 Go somewhere else.

00:33:47.000 And so all these churches who have gone back to traditionalism are doing really well.

00:33:50.000 Traditionalist Catholic churches are filling the pews.

00:33:53.000 Orthodox Jewish synagogues are filling the seats.

00:33:56.000 So, more religions going back to, you know, traditional ways of life and rejecting the conciliation with left-wing social movements, that's a good thing.

00:34:04.000 So, according to the New York Times, a bad thing, of course.

00:34:06.000 So, they're very upset.

00:34:08.000 Because Southern Baptists are moving to purge churches with female pastors.

00:34:12.000 Now, it's been a long-standing thing in a lot of mainstream religions that positions of religious authority in communities, like rabbis, for example, or priests, or pastors, these are supposed to be male positions.

00:34:25.000 And the reason for that is because males are generally more extroverted.

00:34:28.000 Males are generally people who are Capable of taking an enormous amount of flack, right?

00:34:33.000 There are differences between males and females, and those are reflected in biblical views of the roles of males and females.

00:34:38.000 Doesn't mean that women don't have the capacity for leadership.

00:34:41.000 Obviously they do.

00:34:41.000 I mean, if you go back to the biblical story of Deborah, right?

00:34:43.000 Deborah actually leads the Jews in battle.

00:34:45.000 If you go back to the ancient Bible, Miriam is a leader in the Old Testament.

00:34:51.000 And so there are certainly female leaders who have leadership capacity, but the general rule of religion has been that the pastor or priest or rabbi of a community will be male.

00:35:00.000 And there are reasons for that that are deeply ingrained, not only in quote-unquote the patriarchy, but in the differences on a general level between men and women.

00:35:08.000 But this is unacceptable in the modern era.

00:35:10.000 And so churches who have decided to conciliate, those are the ones that are emptying out.

00:35:13.000 Well, the Southern Baptists are like, we're not going to do this anymore.

00:35:15.000 According to the New York Times, convention officials decided to expel a church that had appointed a female pastor Along with four other congregations that have female pastors, including one of the most prominent in the country, Saddleback Church, based in Southern California.

00:35:31.000 The right wing of the Southern Baptist, the largest Protestant denomination in America, is now cracking down on what it sees as dangerous liberal drift.

00:35:38.000 Most people in the denomination have long believed the office of head pastor should be reserved for men.

00:35:41.000 But an ultra-conservative faction with a loud online presence is going further, pressing for ideological purity and arguing that female pastors are a precursor to acceptance of homosexuality and sexual immorality.

00:35:50.000 Now, that would seem like a far-fetched argument except for the fact that it is not.

00:35:56.000 Typically, religious denominations that move significantly to the left on small things tend to move significantly to the left on the big things as well.

00:36:04.000 If religions want to have any sort of lasting durability, they're going to have to stick with the one that brought them.

00:36:10.000 All right, you guys, the rest of the show continues right now.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - June 14, 2023

Will Trump Get His Revenge?

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