In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host, Candice Miller, sits down with Turning Point USA President, Charlie Kirk, to answer questions from college students across the country. Questions range from abortion, dual citizenship, gay marriage, and much more.
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00:01:35.000Yeah, I actually never thought that deeply about it, but yeah, I probably, if you're an American citizen, I think you should have to renounce the citizenship of another country.
00:01:44.000May I ask why you guys are against it?
00:01:47.000Yeah, so citizenship is about your duty.
00:01:49.000To whom do you actually pledge your allegiance?
00:01:52.000And in theory, two nations can always have their interests conflict with one another.
00:01:55.000And the question is, to which nation do you actually owe that sole allegiance?
00:01:59.000So I think dual citizenship, to even say I'm against it, is even misses the mark.
00:02:04.000It's actually an oxymoron because you can't possibly have conflicting loyalties when push comes to shove and two nations' interests conflict with one another.
00:02:13.000You should be clear with yourself and with your country to whom your ultimate allegiance actually belongs.
00:02:18.000And that's why I also favor lawmakers have to disclose if they have dual citizenship.
00:02:22.000I think they should actually be willing and able to tell the public if they pledge allegiance to two countries.
00:02:32.000I'd like to challenge y'all mainly on like a moral landscape versus like a political landscape because I've not done my homework in the political realm.
00:02:42.000So I'd like to challenge you on like your views on abortion and homosexuality.
00:02:46.000Specifically Charlie because I've consumed some...
00:03:07.000Okay, so unless the life of the mother?
00:03:09.000Unless the life of the mother, of which it would actually not be considered an abortion.
00:03:13.000It's a medical procedure called a septujectomy, but that's, yes, abortion is the intentional taking of a fetus or a human life.
00:03:19.000Our family would never do that personally, correct?
00:03:21.000Okay, and you were brought up a scenario where a young girl, 10, 15-year-old girl was raped, and you were asked, should she give an abortion, or is it More moral to not give or give this abortion.
00:05:20.000So I believe the fetus or embryo or however you want to call it or whatever stage it's in, I believe it should not have the exact same rights as...
00:05:50.000So even when it's 35 weeks, has a heartbeat, its own DNA, brain waves, can feel pain, touch, it can hear you, that baby doesn't get human rights?
00:05:59.000Of course it deserves most rights, but when you are...
00:06:39.000Okay, so therefore we agree that that was actually a moral wrong and a crime that was committed, which means we have common ground, right?
00:06:44.000And by the way, you're not alone in that.
00:06:46.000Nearly every pro-choice person I've met in this country says the same thing, that if the woman is assaulted, she's pregnant, the unborn child dies as a consequence.
00:06:55.000In that context, I haven't met a single person who says we don't treat that as actually a death that that criminal is responsible for.
00:07:01.000So that says we actually all share that same instinct in common.
00:07:22.000And I know this may be controversial to say, but when you look at the number of deaths in this country, lynching ain't got nothing, actually, on the abortions that have occurred in this country targeted against one racial community.
00:07:34.000And so when I hear Kamala Harris walking around talking about reproductive rights, I can't stand it anymore because they're effectively having an agenda preventing the reproduction of one class of Americans.
00:07:45.000And I think especially sitting where we are today, we've got to recognize that racist agenda for what it is, too.
00:08:03.000So, besides the cultural landscape of my generation, so personally, I think my generation has started to abuse the abortion, the option of abortion, and that has led to our society, our culture...
00:08:24.000I have a question for both of you, and then I have a question for Charlie specifically.
00:08:28.000So the first question is, would you two, or just Turning Point USA as a company as a whole, would you guys be willing to make a course based on how to do political research?
00:08:39.000Because for me, I'm absolutely clueless when it comes to it.
00:08:43.000I think I miss a lot of nuance and opposing sides when I do it.
00:08:46.000So would you guys be willing to sell a course like that?
00:08:53.000And then I have a question for Charlie specifically, because I'm a Christian and I enjoy debating with people.
00:09:01.000And I know in the Bible it says not to cast your pearls upon the swine.
00:09:05.000And so my question is, how do I find like a happy medium between not casting my pearls, but at the same time trying to desperately save a fellow American?
00:09:16.000I can tell you what I do, which is I try to tell the truth in all circumstances, regardless of the backlash.
00:09:22.000The scriptures say repeatedly that we are called to be disciples of all nations, not just converts of all nations, and to be salt and light.
00:09:30.000When you are salt and light, that means you try to change the environment that you come in contact with.
00:09:34.000So you constantly need to ask the question, are you changing the environment that you come in contact with to be more godly, more Christ-like, and elevating towards the divine, or are you becoming more worldly?
00:10:29.000What I do know, though, is that Christ was simultaneously absolutely love and absolutely truth.
00:10:36.000And in the current status, we only present Christ as absolutely love, not truth.
00:10:41.000And if we dive deeper into the scriptures, we realize that if you really love somebody, you love to correct them.
00:10:46.000See, in the modern day church, we think of church as affirmation, when in reality it should be correction.
00:10:52.000And so in our life, this is where it could come across as people think you're judgy, or yet you're trying to cast them into a negative light.
00:10:59.000We must have enough love to love somebody that if they're currently in a place of permanent behavioral sin, not one-off sin, but lifestyle behavioral sin.
00:11:07.000For example, if your best friend is an adulterer and drinking out to 3 a.m.
00:11:11.000every night, Do you love that person enough to tell them they have to get their act together?
00:11:15.000Or do you just say, hey, I love you so much.
00:11:17.000Keep on doing what you're doing, right?
00:11:19.000So that would be my advice to you is to have that balance between love and truth.
00:11:22.000We can't forget the truth side of the coin.
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00:13:11.000So my father, he grew up in Macau, China.
00:13:15.000He moved here when he was 17 with his sister and his aunt because his parents wanted him to have better opportunities because America is the best country in the world.
00:13:24.000And when he got here, the day he stepped in America, he began working on his process to become a citizen.
00:13:32.000And they, reminder, they couldn't even speak English.
00:13:37.000They didn't have, they lived in an apartment.
00:13:39.000But he was so strong that that's the only way.
00:14:03.000He was the biggest patriot I knew, and he would always argue, like, move, live somewhere else, because he actually lived in a communist country and says this is the best country in the world and stands by it.
00:15:04.000Now, here's something we don't talk about often enough.
00:15:07.000The real root cause of the immigration crisis is the welfare state in America.
00:15:11.000So if you say to people that if you're going to enter this country and you're going to make contributions, and I believe you have to be able to speak English, and I think you should be able to pledge allegiance to this country, if you check all of those boxes, but also you cannot get any form of government assistance, welfare, Medicaid, any type of government aid for the next 10 years after you're here, 70 percent any type of government aid for the next 10 years after you're here, 70 percent of our immigration And so the problem is we've got this nanny state in America, and then we open the doors to anybody who wants to come in or lie about their basis for coming in.
00:15:39.000That's how you get to the crisis we have today versus people like your dad who are going to say, you know what, I'm going to work hard.
00:15:43.000I'm going to be self-sufficient, raise a son, a young man, and a son who's as engaged as you are right now.
00:15:48.000Happy birthday to you on the age of 18. I think that that's the kind of thing that's a good story that's been bastardized into this mass illegal exodus from these other countries that we've seen.
00:16:06.000And again, I'm kind of concerned about the tariffs.
00:16:09.000Being an Austrian-trained economist, my thinking on the situation is why not let China expand its credit and just fall into a debt trap spiral and, you know, reap the rewards of, you know, cheap goods from China and then...
00:16:31.000So in The Road to Serfdom, Hayek actually makes it clear that he's misunderstood today in the modern libertarian memory of it versus the real thing.
00:16:37.000He says a nation cannot depend, for example, on an adversary for its own military.
00:16:50.000So it makes absolutely no sense, for example, for the United States to depend on China as the number one supplier of our air force, our military, including our army and our navy.
00:17:01.000Forty percent of the semiconductors made for the U.S. Department of Defense come from China.
00:17:05.000So even a principled libertarian like one of the OGs, like Friedrich von Hayek, would tell you that doesn't make any sense, yet that's where we are today.
00:17:11.000Here's something also Austrian school economists would tell you is if somebody else is applying a big tariff or an unfair trading advantage to the United States, us saying that we have to play on a level playing field, that's not actually a violation of free market principles.
00:17:24.000It's a recognition that the market was not free in the first place.
00:17:27.000So those would be the two things I would leave you with.
00:17:29.000And if you look at Donald Trump's actual record in his first four years, that's actually the way he led.
00:17:33.000So that's where the actions speak louder than words.
00:17:47.000For example, during the 1970s and 80s, we decided to shut down a lot of factories and send those jobs to China because it made markets more free and we could get goods cheaper, but it obviously hurt the country.
00:18:01.000So if there was a choice where it made markets freer and it did not hurt the country, would you support it?
00:18:10.000No, because I think in the long run it actually helps the country and I think Reagan's administration kind of shows that.
00:18:15.000See, I just approached it a little bit differently because we got three different views here.
00:18:18.000One is I don't actually think that it made markets more free.
00:18:21.000I think the idea of tipping those jobs to China when the government is actually subsidizing those industries was not actually the free market in the first place.
00:18:27.000It was some made-up mercantilist myth that the CCP took advantage of laughing at a bunch of people who were at the old generations of conservatives from the 1980s who said that was free market capitalism.
00:18:42.000Because it's never worked, and it never will work.
00:18:45.000It's all abstraction staring into the sky.
00:18:47.000And let me tell you, when you go drive through Ohio and Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and you see the deindustrialization of this country, and we were told that it was a good thing, it just hasn't been.
00:18:57.000And so, again, I went to all the Von Mises stuff.
00:19:02.000The literature is very compelling, and there is some truth in the monetary policy of Austrian economics.
00:19:07.000That is the strongest component, where they argue business cycles need to be organic, not artificial, and that the money supply component of Austrian economics is great.
00:19:16.000However, when we get to trade, there needs to be a non-abstraction, more reality-focused way of looking at how we do trade, and we're just not going to necessarily agree on that.
00:19:27.000Here's my opinion, is that The ultimate principle should be, is it good for the country, not is it good for the ideology?
00:19:34.000And we've been having policy that's good for ideology, not for the country.
00:19:38.000Yeah, so a question I have more for Vivek.
00:19:41.000So I guess one tariff that definitely affects Americans that Trump's sort of having to come back around to is the electric car tariff.
00:19:50.000So I agree entirely with the national defense argument.
00:19:53.000That's part of the reason why Biden was Angola, to help secure critical resources from the DRC.
00:19:59.000So I give credit to both candidates for doing that.
00:20:10.000So why should taxpayers have to eat that cost instead of Chinese people subsidizing it overseas?
00:20:16.000So you get to the real problem when you start using the word subsidizing.
00:20:19.000Here's the real problem with electric cars is that taxpayers have been eating the cost since the advent of electric cars in the United States because taxpayers are paying for some guy in California to buy an electric vehicle at the expense of a guy who wants to buy a gas-powered car in Georgia or in the state of Ohio.
00:20:32.000So that's the root cause in the first place.
00:20:34.000So I would say that – see, here's the thing, and this is where I actually really agree with the bang of Charlie's statement, which is we've never really had the libertarian utopia because we were never operating according to capitalist principles in the first place.
00:20:48.000So we've had – I mean the state subsidies in the first place – and Donald Trump's in favor of this, by the way.
00:20:53.000He says – and I agree with this too.
00:20:56.000I like the fact that he's got Tesla, and that's great.
00:20:58.000We just shouldn't have the taxpayers paying for other EVs.
00:21:00.000And the beauty of this is actually if we got rid of the EV subsidies – a lot of people don't know this – Tesla would actually be better off because a lot of the other Ford and GM and inefficient makers are the ones relying on government largesse in the first place.
00:21:12.000And so in some ways we're in the worst of all worlds actually.
00:21:15.000We're neither following Hayek or Mises, nor are we actually doing what's best for American workers or manufacturers.
00:21:21.000And actually pick either of those options, it's going to be better than the state of affairs that exists today.
00:21:25.000And I think Donald Trump, he's a pragmatist.
00:21:27.000And so that's why to libertarians out there, you could look at a textbook and say that Donald Trump's not going to be your ideal candidate.
00:21:34.000But if you look at who actually, over the course of four years in office, better follow those principles, no doubt about it, it's not even the libertarian candidate for U.S. president this time.
00:22:07.000And so the Civil Rights Act has now been used as this major overarching standard that is not just about ending bitter racial segregation, which I'm against and you're against, right?
00:22:18.000No person should ever be discriminated based on the color of their skin.
00:22:20.000What the Civil Rights Act has done, passed through multiple decades, is the law of unintended consequences, that it's created this leviathan within the Department of Justice.
00:22:29.000For example, let me give you just another example.
00:22:45.000Merrick Garland from the Department of Justice came in and sued and says you should not be able to ask for voter ID because of the Civil Rights Act.
00:22:52.000Because it disproportionately hurts black Americans.
00:22:55.000So what would happen is the Civil Rights Act, it did not target discrimination.
00:23:04.000So individualized discrimination, we've always been against.
00:23:07.000But what happens if you have one group that does better than another group?
00:23:11.000There are other explanations for that other than racism.
00:23:14.000Unfortunately, the Civil Rights Act, what it does is it goes back and says everything can be ascribed back to racism as our original sin.
00:23:20.000Now, let me just go one final point, is that the fanfare that the Civil Rights Act is met with, it's almost like the new Constitution.
00:23:27.000We talk about the Civil Rights Act more than the Constitution.
00:23:30.000It is cited more than the Constitution.
00:23:33.000We almost had a new American founding in the 1960s with the Civil Rights Act, which, again, I want to be very clear, and I've always been...
00:23:40.000No human being should ever be discriminated against because of the color of their skin.
00:23:44.000That is always something we've agreed with.
00:23:47.000But the Civil Rights Act has become almost the super constitution of the land.
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00:25:36.000So then we look at what the results have been of this entire agenda.
00:25:39.000Put the Civil Rights Act, put the LBJ Great Society.
00:25:43.000Black Americans are worse off today, even economically in terms of mobility, than they were back then in the name of laws that were passed to supposedly advance black interests.
00:25:53.000So the results haven't worked out so well.
00:25:54.000I want to just bring it back to this election.
00:25:56.000All right, and I'm going to ask you questions.
00:25:57.000This is not like it's a grilling, but more because you have no reason to know the answers to these.
00:26:01.000But we're close to politics, so I'm going to ask you these questions, all right?
00:26:05.000If you take the first three years of Donald Trump versus the first three years of Joe Biden, where we have data for it, were more blacks unemployed under Joe Biden, or were they unemployed under Donald Trump?
00:26:15.000No, I think they were unemployed under Joe Biden.
00:27:19.000And the answer is not very much, actually.
00:27:21.000And I think Donald Trump, when you judge based on the results, has actually given you at least results, even if it's a little bit different than the rhetoric along the way.
00:27:28.000And I do come down on the same side of Charlie with respect to the Great Society is that that, I think, in the name of helping black Americans was disastrous.
00:27:36.000And I think what we would be better doing for all Americans is go back to the first constitution rather than the second one that we reinvented.
00:27:42.000So my question to Charlie, if you had the opportunity, you would get rid of the Civil Rights Act?
00:27:49.000No, I think you should have a one-page bill that says that racial discrimination based on race is illegal and will not be tolerated in the United States of America.
00:27:58.000So what happened is that the Civil Rights Act has nine different titles in it, and you have this Leviathan that was created, and something that most black Americans don't support is men and female sports.
00:29:24.000Anyways, so basically in 2014, Venezuela went into a seven-year recession.
00:29:28.000I'm just trying to give context for a situation for people that don't know, but like because of the president, Nicolas Maduro, basically it was like a government-controlled election.
00:29:36.000So with that, like 8 million Venezuelans have left the country since 2014, and they have landed themselves in some of the major cities in the U.S., like Chicago, like Denver, like New York.
00:29:47.000So with that, there has been an increase in crime, because I'm from Chicago, so I know that there's a problem with homelessness in 2023 when the Biden administration extended legal status to the immigrants if they had a work visa.
00:30:05.000I'm just wondering, what further steps do you think America should take in policing the Venezuelan refugee crisis?
00:30:13.000What can we do to help the Venezuelans in the source?
00:30:16.000Because also in August of 2017, I know that Trump proposed a military option, and he kind of nodded to the 1989 US invasion of Panama, where they deposed the leader.
00:30:29.000I'm sorry, I'm trying to make this short.
00:30:31.000But I also want to preface, I'm voting for Kamala Harris, but I'm not here to make politically charged statements.
00:30:38.000So yeah, just like, what do you think, regardless of who's president after the election, what do you think should be done about the crisis?
00:30:43.000Well, just, I want to just, I'm not here to pin, but I would have you reconsider your choice for Kamala Harris if you care about the Venezuelans in these cities.
00:30:51.000Because she'll just, you'll have another 20 million people come into these cities.
00:30:54.000And you know it's tearing Chicago apart.
00:30:56.000I mean, yeah, because in 2023 or something like that, about 300, over 300,000 Venezuelan refugees came to the U.S. border.
00:31:05.000It'll be 3 million if she's elected, just so you're clear, okay?
00:31:17.000That if you commit a crime on American soil, we're not going to house you, we're not going to feed you, we're not going to put you in prison.
00:31:21.000You get back on a flight and you go back there.
00:31:23.000Number two, if you are part of a gang, like Trendale Raga, which is taking over apartment complex in Chicago or Aurora, Colorado, get back on a plane and you go back.
00:31:32.000Then from there, you have to have a plan of a deportation effort with Immigration Customs Enforcement and Department of Homeland Security.
00:31:39.000All of that is all applicable only if you secure the border or else you just keep on trying to get the basement to stop flooding without actually trying to plug the leak.
00:31:48.000So I've been to the south side of Chicago.
00:31:49.000I've seen exactly what you describe as well.
00:31:52.000I'm just curious, knowing what you do, because you were pretty well informed in that question.
00:31:56.000I actually think a lot of this is intentional in countries like Venezuela.
00:32:00.000They're not sending us their best and brightest.
00:32:01.000They're sending us the people who are criminals over there that become criminals over here.
00:32:05.000And they're laughing at us at every step of the way.
00:32:07.000And we're giving them foreign aid, by the way.
00:32:10.000One other thing I would do, and I think Donald Trump's on the same page here, is cut off foreign aid to these countries unless and until they've stopped exporting these illegals to our own country as well.
00:32:18.000But my question for you is, knowing as much as you do about this border crisis and seeing how much it's worsened in the last three years, why on earth are you voting for Kamala Harris who's actually been part of the administration that gave us this crisis in the first place?
00:32:31.000Okay, well, you know, like I said, I'm not really here to make politically charged statements.
00:32:36.000I'm just saying because, like, I'm going to be honest, I'm not too well-versed on, like, actual policies that aren't regarding that specifically because I kind of had to write a research paper on it.
00:32:48.000Okay, so can you just, we got time, we got time.
00:32:50.000So all I would say is you see somebody who is so well-versed in this issue because you're actually far ahead of Republican and Democrat politicians on this issue.
00:33:13.000When we look at how prices gone up over the last four years, we've had the biggest spike in prices that we've had probably in your lifetime as wages have stayed flat and Donald Trump, it was reverse.
00:33:23.000Just consider that there's a different way.
00:33:38.000And before you cast that ballot, look at the crisis for the Venezuelans here and of this country for that influx of illegals.
00:33:44.000That's happening in every other domain from violent crime to our economy to now what will happen on the global stage on the brink of World War III. There's still time to consider a different possibility.
00:33:54.000Don't do what somebody else told you, not me, not Charlie, not MSNBC, not anybody else.
00:33:59.000Just think about it yourself and make an independent choice.
00:34:01.000And I have a feeling you might be open to changing your mind.
00:34:04.000Honestly, I'm going to be honest, I'm not open to changing my mind.
00:34:07.000That's just because I've seen, like, I support immigration.
00:34:11.000I don't support when criminals are doing bad things in the country.
00:34:15.000But I also don't support it When you take what this small group did and you try to say that the entire group is doing it.
00:34:26.000But I do agree that there should be, like, asylum checks or something like that to ensure the criminals don't get into the country.
00:34:33.000But I'm voting against Donald Trump because my friends, I have friends that have parents that are illegal immigrants.
00:34:39.000Personally, I'm African American, so I've been here my whole life, generations.
00:34:44.000But don't you think that African Americans should be given priority over illegals?
00:34:49.000I mean, I think that American citizens should be given priority over people that are committing crime in the country that aren't from here.
00:34:56.000Let me ask you, did you have a vacation this summer in a luxury hotel paid for by taxpayers?
00:35:26.000Is that if you break into America, you get a flight to the city of your choosing, you get taxpayer-funded luxury hotels, you get a taxpayer-funded phone, taxpayer-funded food stamps, whereas many Americans are struggling to even make ends meet.
00:35:56.000Trying to go back to what I was saying about what should we do in America, not more so regarding deportation, but for the crimes that are happening already.
00:36:05.000Because there are crimes happening against Venezuelans.
00:36:07.000Even in Chicago, there was a migrant that was killed in December of 2023 in Gage Park.
00:36:13.000And then there are Chicagoans that are warning people to stay neutral, to stay out of the violence.
00:36:17.000So I'm just wondering what you would think that we should do about that.