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00:02:25.000It's all good. You've got two things to do.
00:02:27.000You've got to tell me how black people are still affected by segregation, and then tell me why that results in so many of them killing people.
00:02:32.000Okay, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.
00:02:34.000So, when segregation ended, when slavery ended, actually, black people were just forced wherever, wherever, right?
00:02:43.000So they had nowhere to go. And then there was laws put in place to put them into prison.
00:03:36.000Of course there is some truth to that.
00:03:38.000However, every culture, every person in this audience can point to issues that families or generations prior had that were able to overcome.
00:03:48.000So the question is, why is it that black America is one of the only populations, that and Native American populations, that have not been able to overcome such evil injustices?
00:03:59.000Here's my perspective, and I want to hear what you have to say.
00:04:02.000Is that the number one way to keep people out of poverty, lower the crime rate, and have a better society is whether or not you have a mom and a dad around.
00:05:04.000And, like, my point, what I was trying to say, is I don't think that we're doing enough to help these black communities catch up, where, as, like, they're underfunded, and they're not, and they're over-policed, and there's these factors that are contributing to, like you said, these single-parent households.
00:05:24.000Yes. So we're not going to agree on this.
00:05:25.000This is where we'll disagree, and that's okay.
00:05:27.000I have more of a view of Thomas Sowell on this, where he believes it's far more about culture, values, and worldview than stuff and over-policing.
00:05:37.000I believe there's not enough police in black neighborhoods.
00:06:12.000And again, it's hard to get up and have these conversations.
00:06:15.000Here's my opinion. My opinion is that, yes, there was some social welfare that subsidized single motherhood, which means it's easier to get cash from the government if you say you are single than if you are married.
00:06:42.000I think the problem stems from a lack of education.
00:06:46.000I think these communities don't have...
00:06:49.000I don't think a lot of them have the proper education or learning from previous to realize what will lead them to a more successful future.
00:06:59.000I think that if we funded more education in these systems, then these men wouldn't be so focused on stuff like Like gang violence to get protection or money or other stuff like that and then end up in prison and then end up with their child having a single mother.
00:07:21.000No, no, it's great. So there's a lot of examples that there's some merit to your argument, but it's more about the quality of education than the amount of money we spend on it.
00:07:28.000Yeah. Such as, that's why I'm a big proponent of school choice and educational vouchers and opposing the teacher unions.
00:07:34.000But the core is this, is that the number one predictor for a kid of any skin color, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, is whether or not dad is around.
00:07:45.000And I look, as an outsider, albeit, at current black culture, right, from the athletes to the rap music to the music, I don't see the nuclear family elevated.
00:07:56.000Nor is it an internal black cultural expectation.
00:07:59.000Now, I will ask some of the white individuals here in this audience, okay?
00:08:02.000If you guys got pregnant and all of a sudden you didn't even know who the father was who was around, how would your parents react?
00:09:21.000But again, if you have a black victim at 2 a.m.
00:09:24.000in a black neighborhood... It's reasonable to say that it was a black-on-black crime.
00:09:28.00090% of murders after 2am in Chicago are black-on-black crimes.
00:09:31.000I'm from Chicago, I happen to know it. But half of all murders in Chicago are unsolved, which means half of all murderers are walking free.
00:09:38.000So we have an under-enforcement of laws.
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00:10:45.000The ladies here in this audience should know this.
00:10:47.000You know that there's over 600,000 rape kits in this country that have not even been opened or tested, which means that there are women who say that they've been raped, and their kits are not even put in the system.
00:10:58.000There are probably hundreds of thousands of rapists that walk free in this country.
00:11:01.000Yeah, no, our system is... No, no, what I'm saying is that's an under-enforcement of laws, though.
00:11:26.000More than 50% of exonerations from prison are black people.
00:11:29.000Like, a black person is more likely than any other race to be tried for a crime that they did not commit and then to be released from prison for a crime that they did not commit.
00:12:06.000You're not being, so let's calm down a little bit.
00:12:08.000You're not being. Am I being sweet to this guy?
00:12:13.000Okay. Alright, let me ask you one question in closing, though.
00:12:17.000If you could, okay, if you could say to Black America, here is more money, more stuff, more housing, or more fathers, which one would you choose?
00:12:48.000I just knew for 100% fact that they were going to stay here.
00:12:51.000No, no, we have agreement. So during the BLM stuff four years ago, did we hear anything from the national BLM leaders or anybody about black dads staying around with women they impregnate?
00:13:06.000They're actually, it's the fundamental issue.
00:13:08.000The fundamental issue is if you have a father around, less likely to commit crimes.
00:13:13.000More likely to graduate high school, more likely to get a job, less likely to be in poverty.
00:13:16.000But how do we get there? Like, this is what I was like, how do we get there?
00:13:18.000Well, the first of which is you must raise the standard of expectation, both internally and externally in the black community, that we're not going to put up with men, because we're both men, fleeing the women that they impregnate.
00:13:30.000That we will say to men that flee the women that they impregnate, you're a loser, we're not going to tolerate you, we're not going to be friends with you, that you're the scum of the earth, that if you impregnate a woman and you just run away from them.
00:13:41.000Most definitely. Do we do that right now?
00:15:24.000I'm Andrew. So, I wanted to talk with you about, again, the 1350.
00:15:29.000So, earlier I did chime in when you were talking with Jackson.
00:15:34.000You said, 2020, with the George Floyd protests, that nobody was talking about the nuclear family, which I think that they're separate issues.
00:17:53.000It can't be an abstraction. You've got to tell me the city in America that is over-policed because I'd be interested to know about that city.
00:17:59.000Well, like I said, I don't have any specific examples.
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00:19:21.000Really to get back to my point, I think police brutality and the culture, black culture, is two separate things.
00:19:28.000I think police officers kneeling on someone's neck for nine minutes is a completely separate incident.
00:19:34.000What was George Floyd's cause of death?
00:19:37.000Asphyxiation. Actually, the original medical report by the Hennepin County Examiner said that it was a drug overdose.
00:19:42.000Did you know that? But that was hired by the state.
00:19:44.000An independent coroner reported that it was asphyxiation.
00:19:48.000It's interesting. You might be right, but if you guys love truth, you should go and dive into the Derek Chauvin court documents.
00:19:54.000There's a lot more to the George Floyd situation than anyone ever told you.
00:21:39.000But yet we have this whole thing about police brutality, and no one can ever give me examples where there's too many police, and that's okay, I'm not just picking on you.
00:21:45.000Just in general, it's easy to get caught up in the abstractions.
00:21:49.000It's easy to get caught up in the parade and in all the bedlam.
00:21:52.000But when you dive into it, you realize that it's all brainwashing, and it's propaganda.
00:21:57.000I guess what I would say in response to that is...
00:22:00.000When you do your own independent research, you can find data to skew in any direction you want it to.
00:22:06.000But it's the Washington Post. I'm not just making this stuff up.
00:22:46.000This is my belief. Black America is so abused by the current mainstream media, it's abused by the Democrat Party, and they don't want...
00:22:54.000Black Americans to think freely or independently that they have been used as pawns by the Democrat Party for the last 60 years.
00:23:02.000That's exactly what is happening right now, and I pray people are starting to wake up.
00:23:09.000A final thought, Andrew? I guess I don't really have anything.
00:23:14.000That's okay. I encourage you to do this.
00:23:15.000Fact check me later. Find out what the unsolved murder rate is in Chicago.
00:23:19.000See if Charlie Cook was right. Look at the Washington Post crime database and find out was it really 15 unarmed blacks that were killed by police year by year.
00:23:26.000Sometimes as low as 8, sometimes as 20, so the average is about 15, okay?
00:23:29.000Go and look at The Biggest Lie Ever Told, the George Floyd documentary.
00:23:33.000Go look at the original Hennepin County medical.
00:24:07.000So you're working on behalf of Kamala Harris here, but yeah.
00:24:10.000Not sure how that works, but I think we disagree mostly on things of degree, like dismantling the administrative state and destroying regulations.
00:24:18.000You talk about tariffs and how they protect the American's consumer, but wouldn't widespread deregulation between our industries help that more?
00:24:41.000Totally agree, yes. So let me tell you what I'm libertarian on, and then I'll tell you what I'm not libertarian on, and then we can find out where we disagree.
00:24:49.000Is that cool? I'm very libertarian on guns.
00:24:51.000I think that people have a God-given and able right to own weapons, and that the Second Amendment shall not be infringed, and that without the Second Amendment, you do not have a First Amendment, a Third Amendment, a Fourth Amendment, and the Second Amendment is God-given.
00:25:01.000We agree on that, right? I believe that the government should be severely restrained in its spying, its capacity to be able to monitor our private communications.
00:25:10.000I think you should get a warrant before that you ever are able to spy in communications, and I think the FISA statute should be completely repealed.
00:25:16.000And I think it's abused by politicians too much.
00:25:18.000Finally, I think we largely agree on war.
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00:26:40.000I do not think that we should have open borders and invite the people of every country around the world to come here while our own citizens are suffering and not able to get ahead as much as their parents, right?
00:26:53.000Secondly, and then I'll let you respond, I'm not libertarian on drug legalization.
00:26:57.000I think that our moving towards drug legalization that starts with marijuana and eventually cocaine and then psychedelics and then heroin has been very bad for society.
00:27:06.000It increases crime. I do not like this idea that you drive every corner and there's marijuana clinics in every corner.
00:27:12.000I don't think that it has improved the well-being or the soul of this nation.
00:27:16.000So on those two things, I'm not libertarian.
00:27:18.000Please respond. Do drugs cause crime or does the drug war cause crime?
00:27:22.000Well, people cause crime, but you also must understand what you do from a policy perspective.
00:27:28.000Just using prudence and not abstractions, is what I am doing improving the livelihood of my people, or is it hurting the livelihood of my people?
00:27:35.000And I could be honest, I don't know, maybe you guys disagree, but since the legalization of weed in a lot of Western states, I do not think it's increased the quality of life out West.
00:27:42.000You could disagree, though. Maybe not for the people in jail who are incarcerated for nonviolent drug possession crimes.
00:27:48.000I think that's a good argument. Those are actually two different things, though.
00:27:52.000Decriminalizing something in the sense of how you enforce it, I can agree with, but then legalizing it so that a 19-year-old can go get a bunch of weed on the street corner.
00:28:01.000We were told a couple things when it came to the drug war.
00:28:03.000We were told that usage rates would go down.
00:28:06.000We were told that the cartel would get super poor and that it would bankrupt the cartel.
00:28:11.000And we were told that it would not increase crime in the areas.
00:28:13.000None of those three things actually happened.
00:28:15.000We didn't end the drug war. We never ended the drug war.
00:28:37.000No, it is. Literally, you and I could get in a car right now, and you and I can get morphine, we can get heroin or fentanyl on the side of the street and shoot up together and watch the sunset over the Golden Gate Bridge.
00:29:17.000The dirtiness and the lack of safety in San Francisco, Portland, Seattle should be a cautionary tale that maybe widespread drug legalization is a really, really bad idea.
00:29:49.000Here's my perspective. We're the wealthiest country ever where the young ladies in this audience probably don't feel safe walking the streets of San Francisco at night.
00:30:01.000And by the way, what a moral failure that you can't walk your own cities at night.
00:30:06.000People say, Charlie, what are your politics?
00:30:07.000How about this? I want to be able to walk every major American city at night and enjoy it like my parents did.
00:30:12.000And not have to worry about being raped, mugged, or shut down.
00:30:14.000And like, whatever it takes to get that done, let's do that thing.
00:30:20.000I think a partial solution to that is just more guns.
00:30:24.000I mean, in California, it wasn't illegal to own a gun.
00:30:27.000I do agree with that, sort of, but I think at some point, if people are showing a pattern of crime, they shouldn't be on the street.
00:30:36.000Right? So if they're dealing drugs and smashing windows and they're holding up, you know, whatever, 7-Elevens, you should be in jail for a long time for those things.
00:30:45.000And what San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle have done is that they've decriminalized, they have no cash bail, they decriminalized it, and they basically, you could get out the same day you commit a crime.
00:30:54.000And again, I just think that this is not even political, but I guess the Republican Party is now the ambassador of this.
00:30:59.000It's so simple that if you don't feel safe in your own great cities, your leaders have failed you and they should all be fired.
00:31:55.000It actually incentivizes homeland production and more jobs for our country and actually the price doesn't get passed on to the consumer.
00:32:03.000I think, hands down, deregulation upon our American companies.
00:32:07.000I tend to agree with that, but I also want to live in the real world, not fantasy world.
00:32:12.000And I think that also, fundamentally, you have a social contract to your people that, for example, if we have critical vitamin needs in this country, most of our drugs are made in China.
00:32:20.000That's bad, okay? We don't have to overthink it.
00:32:22.000You don't need a chart, you don't need a graph.
00:32:23.000Bad that we don't make our own drugs, okay?
00:32:26.000That 90% of all vitamin C is made in China.
00:32:29.000You need vitamin C to live, literally.
00:33:05.000If our candidate hits the 5% threshold, that's kind of the goal.
00:33:09.000Why? Matching federal funds from the U.S. government, which will make our party wealthier and be more competitive.
00:33:18.000So let me just be clear. So do you think that there's, from the values you care about, which is liberty, yeah, and make sure you talk in the mic, is there no material difference to your life between Trump and Kamala?
00:33:29.000Oh yeah, Trump way better than Kamala.