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00:04:24.000I think that's good because people could give their overall thoughts and people would be more researched about their opinions.
00:04:30.000Yeah, I mean, where we've seen ranked choice voting employed is usually by liberals and Democrats in very, very red states, and they end up basically eliminating the Republican Party.
00:04:39.000That's a little bit more nuanced, but as far as the Electoral College goes, We're good to go.
00:05:02.000So the beauty of the Electoral College is that it recognizes that America's system is different than Europe.
00:05:07.000It's different than most of the world.
00:05:09.000We are states first, and then we are a national project, and therefore the states need to have some form of representation in how we tabulate our votes.
00:05:18.000And the beauty of the Electoral College is that the swing states, think of how diverse these states are.
00:05:23.000Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
00:05:28.000If it was a pure popular vote, which I know you're not advocating for, it would all be about Seattle, Chicago, San Francisco, LA, New York.
00:05:35.000But the top 10 cities is around 10% of the total population.
00:05:40.000That would not be nearly enough to win the election.
00:05:43.000Even the top 50 cities wouldn't get you close enough to win the election.
00:05:57.000I'm sure we got a lot of Chicagoans there, right?
00:05:58.000So we all know the difference between Chicago and Chicagoland, right?
00:06:02.000So, Chicagoland is nearly, I think, 7 or 8 million people, where Chicago is 3 million people.
00:06:08.000But I think you can agree, at least we can agree, the beauty of the Electoral College, and it does have some flaws.
00:06:14.000The beauty, though, is that it requires candidates to have to go to many different parts of the country and to earn support, not just go to the coastal cities.
00:06:22.000And the way it works in a lot of European elections...
00:06:25.000In the United Kingdom or in French elections, the United Kingdom is not a good example because they have a parliamentary system, but like France, they just run up the score in Paris and they say, you know, forget it, you know, to the rules.
00:06:34.000I think it's a good thing that Wisconsin farmers have a say in this election.
00:06:38.000It gives Wisconsin a seat at the table.
00:06:47.000For a Republican Party that prides itself on personal responsibility, protecting the sentient, unborn, and free markets, I was curious your thoughts on animal rights.
00:06:57.000Just because the government subsidizes animal agriculture far more than fruits and vegetables and plant foods, which inhibits the free market and ends up slaughtering lots of animals.
00:07:07.000And animals are also sentient beings like the unborn.
00:07:10.000So I was curious your thoughts on all of that.
00:07:12.000Yeah, so the question is first, is an animal a human?
00:07:42.000I don't know where you're coming at from this perspective, but some people would say that animals and humans are on the same moral plane.
00:07:48.000I don't think that's what you're saying, right?
00:07:51.000However, there is a push, though, to say that we should no longer eat meat because it's bad for the life of animals.
00:07:59.000We should do what's best for human beings, first and foremost.
00:08:02.000And it's good for human beings to eat meat.
00:08:04.000It's good for human beings to be able to eat animals.
00:08:06.000It's good for human beings to not just eat like this synthetic fake meat that Bill Gates wants to make all day long.
00:08:12.000And so, yeah, where do I stand on animal rights?
00:08:15.000I mean, I don't think any living being should be tortured or should be cruelly treated.
00:08:20.000At the same time, we should always do what's best for human beings and human beings first.
00:08:24.000So, for example, when there's an environmental question, the question should first be, what is best for the human species, not what's best for, you know, the trees or for the snake.
00:08:34.000Those things are important, but it's more important for humans.
00:08:38.000In part is okay if I have a little follow-up.
00:08:40.000I mean, in terms of what rights we give to animals, of course we wouldn't give animals the right to drive a car or vote because it's not relevant to them.
00:08:46.000But the rights that would be relevant to them are basic negative rights, the right not to be mistreated or killed.
00:08:50.000And we already have that for cats and dogs and even cruelty laws on farm animals.
00:09:12.000The negative rights, we do have rights to be able to, for better or for worse, because we do not treat dogs and cats as the same moral level because we as human beings have a soul.
00:09:30.000And so, for example, a dog cannot tell that it's a dog.
00:09:33.000Now, there's some disagreement about that, but we as human beings can make sense of the natural world.
00:09:38.000We are the speaking beings, to say differently.
00:09:40.000But no animal should be mistreated, but to say that animals are not allowed to be killed would be there for an argument against meat, correct?
00:10:43.000Because it's just not as good for the human.
00:10:46.000Real quick, do you think ultimately that...
00:10:49.000A Republican Party that is pro-free market should be propping up billions of dollars towards subsidies for animal agriculture.
00:10:55.000I'm not a huge subsidy fan of things that make people fat and unhealthy.
00:10:58.000So would you, if you were in a voting position either, if you were an elected leader, would you vote against, and should Republicans vote against that?
00:11:15.000I'm not here to disagree on anything, but I just want to hear your opinions on what's the best solution in the long term between Israel and Palestine.
00:11:53.000I am pro-Israel, and I am resolutely pro-Israel, and I think we need to be very clear about that.
00:11:59.000And if you disagree, you guys can come to the mic at any time with that, by the way.
00:12:02.000There probably is not a long-term solution in the way that we look at it, because you have one side that does not believe the other side should exist.
00:12:11.000And if you do not recognize that the Jewish people deserve a homeland and deserve a place to be able to exist and to build out their culture, then it's hard to coexist.
00:12:23.000Probably the best solution Is what is called a three-state solution.
00:12:27.000But understand, the Palestinian Authority, they have elections.
00:12:30.000They receive billions of dollars in foreign aid.
00:12:32.000The Palestinian Authority, they do have self-government and governance over themselves.
00:13:10.000But I mean, understand it is a war that was started by the leadership class of Gaza and largely supported by the people of Gaza.
00:13:18.000It's not an ideal situation, but the 1300 plus Jews that were massacred and murdered at the concerts and the kibbutzes and the nurseries, The babies that were, you know, terribly treated on that morning, that was the declaration of war.
00:13:32.000And they'll say, oh no, we've been at war for the last 20 or 30 years.
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00:14:51.000So I wrote an article this summer where I was highly critical of Turning Point and said that it was doing harm to the conservative movement.
00:16:48.000I was wondering if you could educate us a little bit on Project 25 and how Kamala Harris is using that, even though Donald Trump has repeatedly denounced...
00:16:58.000I haven't even read the entire document of Project 2025. She's making it seem as if this is the official policy position of President Trump's campaign.
00:19:27.000I understand voting for Trump in terms of policy, problems with the left side of the spectrum, and because of the state of the economy or other political affairs, and I understand that there are fair claims to be made, that the media could be biased towards the left, but don't you agree that former President Trump's claims of fraud of the 2020 election, despite all experts contradicting this, is...
00:19:49.000Is direct evidence of perhaps his selfish drive to preserve power at all costs and also evidence of Trump being a danger to American democracy?
00:20:00.000So, real quick, whether you think he incited the January 6th riots or not...
00:20:05.000It's clear that Trump may have a widespread message that the U.S. election process could not be trusted.
00:20:09.000So wouldn't you say that in this election cycle, having a candidate in office that respects the integrity of our election process and won't say things such as, there might not be another election process if I'm not elected, is more important than any policy or cultural issues of the candidates?
00:20:23.000Well, no, but let's go through 2020. So, do you think it's normal for the CIA to interfere in American elections?
00:20:36.000So 50 former intel agents run by Tony Blinken signed a letter calling the Hunter Biden laptop Russian disinformation.
00:20:44.000According to a poll by the Media Research Center, over 20% of swing voters would have voted for Trump if they would have known about the Hunter Biden laptop.
00:20:52.000So before we get into counting or before we get into anything, the experts were the ones that were signing a letter saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was from Russia and that directly impacted people's votes.
00:21:03.000Number two, is it normal when one of the world's wealthiest people, Mark Zuckerberg, put $400 million into our election system in heavy Democrat areas to boost Democrat turnout, otherwise known as Zuckerboxes?
00:21:18.000Wisconsin has now banned Zuckerboxes in this upcoming election so that out-of-state billionaires cannot pump money in there.
00:21:24.000And finally, when it goes to the errors in the 2020 election, we have to understand that Twitter and Facebook did not allow us.
00:21:33.000I lost my Twitter account because I wanted to talk about the Hunter Biden laptop.
00:21:37.000Praise God we now have Elon Musk running Twitter and X. It's a completely different environment.
00:21:41.000And so when President Trump is talking about the issues of the 2020 election, let's just forget all the ballot issues, forget all of that.
00:21:48.000He's talking about the most powerful institutions that were preventing us from being able to get information out to swing voters.
00:21:56.000The threat to democracy is the CIA, is the FBI, is the Department of Justice.
00:22:02.000It's the Department of Justice that's trying to put Donald Trump in jail right now so that people cannot make decisions about their candidate.
00:22:10.000Donald Trump is not a threat to democracy.
00:22:12.000Donald Trump is the savior of American democracy because unlike Kamala Harris, he actually won his primary and people actually voted for him.
00:22:54.000Yeah, even as a Bears fan, because I can't stand the Philadelphia Eagles.
00:22:57.000I think they're my most hated team in the NFL. And I have to say, I love the idea that the people own the Green Bay Packers, and that a Midwest town is able to have a top-level NFL franchise.
00:23:25.000Yeah, I mean, as America becomes more secular and as the country becomes less godly, we become less free, more miserable, more depressed, more suicidal, more anxious, etc.
00:24:02.000Hi, so my brother actually wanted me to ask this.
00:24:06.000So in 2018, you said that if you graduate from a four-year university with a specific skill that you should automatically get a green card?
00:24:41.000They don't know if they'll ever be able to retire.
00:24:43.000So even though, as a Christian, I might not agree with how Trump has been in a couple marriages, sleeps with a lot of women, and gets into all this personal drama, just simply based off the economy, I believe I have to vote for Trump.
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00:26:27.000So I had another question regarding your opinions on Project 2025. I know Trump has said that he aligns with some parts of it but also has heavy disagreements with others.
00:26:37.000I think it's also pretty apparent that the Harris campaign is using that against him as more of a fear factor.
00:26:44.000Do you believe that there are any policies, whether it's Harris or Trump in office, that could be taken from Project 2025 and benefit America?
00:26:53.000Yeah, I think, again, the document is very long.
00:26:56.000The best part of the document is the border plan, is how to secure the border.
00:27:00.000And how to stop the flow of fentanyl into our communities.
00:28:52.000It's because we are actively poisoning our kids with food from Big Ag that we're spraying with all these pesticides, these chemicals.
00:29:01.000And if you look at the ingredient list of just a Lunchables box, we are basically giving kids the worst thing possible for their metabolism, for their endocrinology.
00:29:08.000So I'm more interested in a healthcare conversation that tries to make sure That a 12-year-old doesn't have to get on Ozembic by the time they're 18 years old.
00:29:17.000And just so you know, they're giving pediatric Ozembic now for 12 and 13-year-olds.
00:29:21.000They are now treating obesity as a genetic disorder that you cannot do anything about.
00:29:27.000And they just want a 12-year-old to now have to take a shot every week to try to curb their obesity, which has all other sorts of very, very negative health implications.
00:29:40.000Well, my personal crusade, we have to blow up the food pyramid, that we have way too many carbohydrates in our diet, not enough healthy fats, and not enough protein.
00:29:50.000Whoever made that was obviously bought by the big ag companies.
00:29:53.000And you should just say, I'm not going to have any more high fructose corn syrup.
00:29:57.000I'm not going to have any more processed sugars.
00:29:58.000And if there are ingredients I can't pronounce, I should resist it.
00:30:02.000And in the ideal, we should have a government that promotes the question, did God make it or did man make it?
00:30:07.000Have more foods every day that God made more so than what man made, and you'll be a lot healthier because of it.
00:30:50.000So if you are hiring somebody, for example, to become a surgeon or to become a healthcare technician, to not have DEI means you're going to hire only based on merit, not based on skin color.
00:31:02.000A DEI program says, well, we need 12% or 20% of all of our surgeons to be black.
00:31:06.000I don't care the color of the skin of my surgeon.
00:31:08.000I want my surgeon to be the best in the world.
00:31:10.000So an anti-DEI program is to put merit above something that doesn't matter race.
00:31:14.000A DEI program would say, well, half your pilots aren't black, and that's a problem.
00:31:31.000So, like, where I kind of come from, I'm a doctoral student in the School of Education.
00:31:36.000What I kind of want to look at is MENA students in higher education, how they experience...
00:31:41.000Middle Eastern, North African students, how they experience acculturation and stuff, because I think it's more nuanced, or not more, it's just, it's different from how Asian American students, black students, how they may experience...
00:31:54.000I'm curious, like, is that something that individuals or your side of the political realm, are you against that kind of research, you know?
00:32:04.000Research into how Minas are mistreated is what you're saying?
00:32:09.000That would be specifically my research, but no, not how they're mistreated.
00:32:50.000Iranians, Persians, you guys do not need DEI. You're the most successful immigrant group to America by far because you're some of the smartest, hardest working, and you did that without any sort of favors and any sort of handouts.
00:33:01.000I mean, Persian businessmen have done amazing in America, not because of DEI. DEI would say, oh, Persians are too successful.
00:33:09.000We're going to call them white and we're going to try to have another group be more successful.
00:33:13.000And so that I just kind of personalize it to you.
00:33:16.000Persians have benefited from the idea.
00:33:28.000So I agree with what you just said, actually.
00:33:31.000But to just reinforce why I think the work is important, at least for me, when I read the literature and when I see the impacts, it's simply just like more people graduate, more people succeed in their classes, more people might persist from an undergraduate program to a graduate program.
00:33:50.000And like evidence shows that that kind of work and the policies that come into place from that kind of work helps with that.
00:34:03.000Like, the type of research that I'm talking about in terms of researching student affairs, different programs, different resources that we give to students, like recreation and well-being.
00:34:14.000That would be an example of a resource.
00:34:51.000Of course we needed to end evil segregation.
00:34:53.000The way we did it was with a wide-ranging, over-the-top bill called the Civil Rights Act that has now created the prerequisite of what we now call woke.
00:35:03.000And so, for example, the Civil Rights Act is now being used to put men in female locker rooms.
00:35:08.000The Civil Rights Act is now being used to shut down people's business if they have a certain belief on one-man, one-woman marriage, saying that that is discrimination under the Civil Rights Act.
00:35:17.000So, of course, my perspective is it should be illegal to actively discriminate against somebody based on their skin color.
00:35:22.000That's not what the Civil Rights Act only did, though.
00:35:24.000That's one portion of the Civil Rights Act.
00:35:26.000There's nine or ten components that people don't even recognize or realize that effectively created this massive anti-racist, anti-racist is the term the left uses, monstrosity that is now being used for things that it was never intended for.
00:35:43.000And what's, like, can you name maybe a few specific cases where people have cited, like, using a civil rights movement or something that doesn't relate to it?
00:35:50.000So Merrick Garland recently, the Attorney General of the United States, recently said that North Carolina and Georgia cannot have voter ID laws.
00:36:00.000So asking somebody to provide identification when they vote, because it's a violation of the Civil Rights Act.
00:36:06.000because they say that it disproportionately impacts black Americans.
00:36:10.000So the issue with the Civil Rights Act is not just the action of racially segregating or of being racially insensitive to somebody.
00:36:42.000What people have used it for now, maybe yes, but back then it wasn't a mistake, though, because No, but you have to judge the law as it is now, right?
00:36:49.000So it's like saying, well, the law might have been good 20 years ago, but I'll give you another example, right?
00:36:54.000So Joe Biden, and thankfully this got overturned by a court, but previously he was using the Civil Rights Act saying that biological men who think they are women, so what people would call trans women, but they're not women, are allowed into locker rooms under the Civil Rights Act.