Vivek and I take questions from UNC Chapel Hill students on the eve of the mid-term elections. We talk about the current state of the country and what we should be focusing on in the midterms. We also talk about why we should all get out and vote on November 5th and why you should vote for the other party. We finish with a Q&A from the audience and a special guest appearance from Turning Point USA President, Charlie Kirk. Thank you so much for all of your support and stay tuned for the next episode! The Charlie Kirk Show is the official Gold Sponsored Podcast of The CharlieKirk Show, a company that specializes in gold and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you can protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at NobleGoldInvestments.com. That is where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.co/thecharliekirk and start your gold investments today! It s where I Buy All of My Gold! Go to NobleGold.Investing.co.nz/TheCharlieKirkShow and get 10% off your first order of $100 or more! That is Noble Gold Investing! You can get 20% off of your first purchase when you become a Member of a Noble Gold Investor at $1,000 or more, and get 5% off the purchase of a piece of gold or silver at $5.00 at $10, $25,000 at $20,000.00.00 or $50, $100,000, or $150,000 in total.00, and I'll get a 2-day VIP membership when I buy a 4-a-piece gold membership starting at $35,000 when I redeem my first month and receive 5-day shipping plan starting on $5,00,00 a year, I'll have access to an additional 3-day offer! I'll send you an ad-free membership offer when I become a member of the Noble GoldInvestments membership offer starting on 1/27/1919. You'll get 5-years of the show? If you like the show, you'll get $5/month for 5-of the show and get an ad discount when I receive $5-of-the-a maximum of $50/month, $10/month and $25/month shipping starts after I receive your first month, and a discount on my VIP membership offer starts at $50 or $75,000?
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00:01:55.000So he was talking about identity politics, and I hope if the Democrats learn one thing this election cycle, it will be that identity politics just doesn't work.
00:02:06.000After they lose, we learn once and for all in this country that when you just give somebody a job based on their race and gender, it turns out to be a disaster every single time.
00:02:19.000And I'm not even talking about Kamala Harris this time.
00:02:24.000Who also got his job for his race and gender, but it doesn't work out no matter which direction you do it.
00:02:29.000And the truth of the matter is, November 5th is not the destination actually.
00:02:34.000November 5th is the start line to save this country.
00:02:38.000Our founding fathers, they were not that much older than the people who were in this room when they set an entire country into motion in 1776.
00:02:46.000I think 2024 is our 1776, and you guys are the generation who I think is going to save this country.
00:02:54.000You're going to do it first of all between now and November 5th by actually turning out and voting and surprising and turning upside down what young people are supposed to do.
00:03:07.000And by the way, we'll do primarily Q&A tonight because that's why we're all here.
00:03:11.000It is the first generation since George Washington where you have it worse off than your parents, where that is a standard belief in America that you at least have the same life that your parents would have, if not a better life.
00:03:22.000And your parents were able to work hard, play by the rules, go to college, graduate, be able to get married, have kids, buy a home, and have a stable American dream.
00:03:31.000When Donald Trump was president, in order to buy a home in this country, you needed $75,000 of income a year.
00:03:41.000Our generation is the most depressed generation, the most sick generation, the most anxious generation, the most medicated generation, and the most in debt generation in American history.
00:03:51.000If you as a generation cannot afford a home, your cities are too dangerous to walk at night, and you cannot get married and have kids without going into debt, it's time to fire your leaders and put somebody in charge that can make sure those things are possible for your generation.
00:04:09.000We can have a lot of disagreements tonight, but there has been a ruling class over the last 32 years with one exception, and Vivek and I believe that exception was for four years from 2017 to early 2021 when Donald Trump was president, where there was an agreement to make you poorer.
00:04:32.000They have been playing proxy with your future since the time you were born.
00:04:36.000And now that you are actually a mature adult where you can vote, own property, graduate, and come into the world, you realize this is not the American dream that I thought it was.
00:04:43.000And it's because your leaders in both political parties, but primarily one, They have been playing and mortgaging your future for quite a while.
00:04:51.000We believe it's time for a revitalization and a restoration of the American dream.
00:05:04.000I want to go back to that, where we were not on the precipice of World War III, did not have 10 million foreigners coming into this country, and we were actually putting our country first.
00:05:11.000So we're going to talk about that tonight.
00:05:12.000Vivek, can you speak about that specifically to the next generation?
00:05:15.000And then let's open it up for questions.
00:05:16.000Yeah, and I don't use this terminology lightly.
00:05:20.000We are in the middle of a war in this country.
00:05:24.000Your enemy is not your fellow citizen, but it is an ideology.
00:05:28.000And I call this a war because there's no middle ground here, right?
00:05:31.000Either you believe in merit or you believe in group quotas.
00:05:41.000Either you believe in American exceptionalism, that this country we live in is the greatest nation known to the history of mankind, or you believe in apologizing for who we are and our way of life.
00:06:30.000It's a tough market to be able to get a job, to be able to even aspire to own a home, and all against the backdrop of forget the economics of it.
00:06:38.000I went to places like Harvard and Yale, and they leaned left, but you could still express yourself.
00:06:42.000You wouldn't be at risk of being silenced or reprimanded for expressing your beliefs, even if you're in the minority.
00:06:48.000Today, you've got to choose between speaking your mind freely and putting food on the dinner table.
00:06:52.000Between the American Dream and the First Amendment.
00:06:55.000So you all are actually in a tougher position than I was even about, what, 20 years ago when I was in your shoes.
00:09:02.000So my question's about the Electoral College and why you guys support it.
00:09:05.000I think everyone's vote should count equally, no matter which state you live in.
00:09:08.000Why do you guys support a system where candidates are forced to go to seven swing states that are primarily urban, you know, and leave rural America behind?
00:09:39.000We believe that's actually what makes America different, let me finish, than European projects, which is that we're first and foremost a collection of states.
00:09:46.000The states created the federal government.
00:09:48.000The federal government did not create the states.
00:09:49.000And I think it's a beautiful thing that seven very diverse states with black populations, Hispanic populations, working class white populations, Are going to determine the future of America, not just LA and New York.
00:10:01.000First off, the Electoral College doesn't make it so that states pick the president.
00:10:04.000You can win the presidency with 12 states in the Electoral College.
00:10:07.000What you're proposing is having one electoral vote per state, and that would be by the states.
00:10:12.000Second, there are only nine cities in the US with like a million people.
00:10:16.000It's pretty much impossible to win the Electoral College just by going to big cities.
00:10:19.000When Kamala Harris goes to Pennsylvania, she goes to big cities.
00:10:21.000When Trump goes to Pennsylvania, he goes to more rural areas like in Butler, Pennsylvania.
00:10:26.000The big city's argument just doesn't seem to sit well with me.
00:10:28.000Why not pick the president the same way you pick every other governor in the country and every other office in the country?
00:10:33.000Well, it's actually not how we do every other office.
00:10:34.000There are proportional elections across the country.
00:10:36.000However, again, it goes back to state representation.
00:10:38.000I want to get Vivekan here for a second.
00:10:40.000But I also have another question, which I think is important, which is, do you think that it's a good thing that candidates have to crisscross from Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Michigan, Wisconsin?
00:10:52.000Is there something good that comes out of the Electoral College?
00:11:00.000So, but it's very important, and I just want to say the objections to the Electoral College usually come from the left.
00:11:04.000I'm not saying that's necessarily, but it's typically.
00:11:07.000And it's important to know that both sides, quote-unquote, benefit from states that are not as populated.
00:11:12.000For example, Democrats benefit from Delaware, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and Washington, D.C., whereas Republicans will benefit from Montana, Wyoming, and the Dakotas.
00:11:20.000Not to mention also Hawaii benefits the Democrats.
00:11:23.000It's a tilt advantage for candidates that are actually able to represent the values of the industrial heartland, an area that has largely been forgotten.
00:11:31.000Yeah, I mean, I'd echo a lot of what Charlie said.
00:11:32.000I know this is one of your favorite ones, but I just add one thing to this, and I think it's important to understand that we don't even have to actually be so upset about it.
00:11:40.000There's a method to change it if we don't like it in the United States.
00:11:43.000It's called amending the Constitution.
00:11:44.000So this is part of the original rules of the road that the founders set into motion because they wanted to respect every state in the union.
00:11:51.000Otherwise, some would just be steamrolled over.
00:11:54.000But if we don't like it, you can amend the Constitution.
00:11:56.000But the reason that's not going to happen is because the states of this union recognize the importance of their representation.
00:12:02.000So in a certain sense, it's just what the Founding Fathers wrote into the document in the first place.
00:12:06.000You're entitled to have a different point of view.
00:12:08.000You could persuade your fellow Americans to change it, but the reason that hasn't happened in 250 years is that the system that got us this far, it's been, you know, for all of its faults, working pretty darn well to give us the greatest nation known to mankind that people said would not last more than a generation.
00:12:22.000And a part of the reason why is that we gave that voice to every one of the states, not just the Californians and New Yorks of the world.
00:12:49.000We have already run out of European immigrants to accept.
00:12:53.000We are soon going to run out of Central American immigrants, and after that, we'll run out of Africans.
00:12:59.000At some point, Low-skill immigration labor is not a solution to the fertility crisis.
00:13:07.000China has a fertility rate of below 1, Korea at 1.3, and the United States at 1.6.
00:13:14.000The human race is expected to be significantly less populous at the end of the century than it was at the start.
00:13:23.000What is a policy solution to that, considering that every economic, social benefit, and worker rights solution that's ever been tried in any country, from Sweden, Switzerland, North Korea, China, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, have all failed.
00:13:38.000How do we get people to have more children?
00:13:42.000I mean, I will say that thank you for bringing up a question that is A far greater threat to the future of humanity and the United States of America than climate change ever will be, okay?
00:13:56.000So you're actually putting your finger on the pulse of something that actually threatens the future of humanity rather than the made-up mythology that we make up.
00:14:02.000And they kind of work together, actually, because many people are not having children now in the name of worrying about the future of climate change harming humanity when, in fact, their decision not to procreate is actually what's giving us the crisis in the first place.
00:14:14.000So first thing is outside of government.
00:14:16.000What you said is what policy solution would work.
00:14:19.000You actually raise a pretty good point.
00:14:20.000Policy solutions haven't been great at affecting the fertility rate in Japan, in Singapore.
00:14:26.000China went the other direction, a folly that's now cost them the status of being the world's most populous country.
00:14:32.000But I do believe in a cultural change in this country.
00:14:35.000When you believe in yourself, when you believe in the unit of your family, when you believe in your nation, when you believe that your children grow up in a better country than you do, then people are going to be more likely to have children in that environment.
00:14:46.000So the men in this audience, I mean, my best advice to you is get married, have kids, don't think twice about it, and you're actually doing a service to your country and to the future of humanity.
00:14:56.000Same advice to the women on the other side of it is that we have too long fallen into the trap of believing that somehow having kids is a trade-off versus doing other valuable things in your life, like having your own independent career that's taken over the mentality of becoming actually hostile to having children.
00:15:12.000When, in fact, you're able to do both of those things better if you're bringing more children into the world because you have more skin in the game.
00:15:18.000So I'm going to bet on cultural change far sooner than I'm going to bet on policy change.
00:15:23.000As a matter of policy, we penalize having children in many ways, too.
00:15:27.000So right now, I've got to roll back a lot of those policy changes that penalize the family.
00:15:31.000And with that, we drive a cultural change that makes us happen.
00:15:34.000There's a couple of countries that have reversed it.
00:15:37.000Hungary has successfully, with Viktor Orban's program, of literally paying people to have kids.
00:15:43.000I would point out that the Hungarian reversal is simply a side effect of Soviet birth rate collapse, and that the Hungarian birth rate has started to decline again.
00:16:05.000Having children is a value, and this is a very important teaching lesson for everyone here, which is if you would have told somebody 300 years ago that having children is not natural to humanity, that given the opportunity that you could exist without having kids, people would think you're nuts.
00:16:20.000But now that we have the technology to not have kids, but have the...
00:16:23.000But enact the pleasurable act of having kids without having the kids, right?
00:16:29.000Replacing children with pets, for example.
00:16:32.000Replacing children with pets, for example.
00:17:19.000As long as a culture looks as kids, as impediments to your own wealth and happiness and your own travel schedule and being a CEO of a shoe company, fertility rates are going to keep on going.
00:17:31.000Hey, thanks for speaking with us today.
00:17:34.000So, if y'all's main concern with this tour is that colleges are scamming students, why are you supporting the candidate that had to pay $25 million for defrauding students at Trump University?
00:18:20.000But at least these students might end up getting degrees, but the students that went to Trump's university had to pay all this money and then never even got degrees.
00:18:31.000Well, I know the question you're saying.
00:18:33.000I don't know the details of the Trump University case very well.
00:18:36.000But if this is such a big concern that colleges are scamming students, then why don't you care that the person that you've endorsed for president literally scammed students for college...
00:18:45.000I had to pay them millions of dollars for it.
00:18:46.000Again, from what I understand, some people actually really benefited from it.
00:19:03.000When we signed up for this, we got a bunch of information about how colleges are scamming students.
00:19:08.000And that's what y'all would be talking about today.
00:19:10.000So I thought it would be relevant because y'all endorsed someone that...
00:19:12.000Is on record for scamming students for college.
00:19:15.000Again, I reject the premise, but again, I will say, I think there's a lot of other reasons that Vivek and I are voting for Donald Trump other than Trump University.
00:19:27.000You're trying to create a gotcha moment here.
00:19:29.000No, I mean, I just think it's relevant to the topic that it's all on the screen right now.
00:19:34.000There's one issue with university funding in this country, and this is actually relevant to every voter because we're all paying for it.
00:19:41.000Anybody who's a taxpayer is paying for this behemoth called the U.S. Department of Education.
00:19:46.000And they have nothing to do with Trump University, but they have a lot to do with the rising cost of college across this country.
00:19:52.000Subsidizing one class of degrees while doing nothing for vocational education or two-year college degrees, which is why somebody was sold a false myth to say I'll be a gender studies major in California and somehow get a head start in the American dream when it hasn't worked out that way and they...
00:20:07.000Graduate college with a boatload of debt that they're not actually going to be able to pay off.
00:20:11.000So as it relates to a policy decision, as it applies to universities, Donald Trump has made clear, I shared this position during my own presidential campaign, that we should shut down the US Department of Education and return that money back to the states and to the people to put it in pockets of people like the people who are sitting in the audience right now, So you're not defrauded by your government that you're voting for and paying taxes to.
00:20:32.000And it's a very different position than what the other side has on offer, which is to expand institutions like the Department of Education, which further drive up college costs, which has been disastrous for many of the students who are graduating with debt they didn't intend to fully sign up for.
00:20:53.000I just think that the first thing I would look for in a candidate is someone that I think would be willing to accept if they lost the election.
00:21:00.000And I'm just concerned that after 2020, that if Trump did lose again, that he would again pretend that he didn't lose and lie to all the people that supported him and gave money to his campaign and tell them that their vote didn't count.
00:21:18.000I mean, all the evidence showed that it did.
00:21:21.000What is Kamala's greatest accomplishment?
00:21:23.000I mean, I would say her greatest accomplishments would probably be when she was district attorney, when she was She broke up a bunch of transnational criminal organizations.
00:21:39.000But, again, I was really just asking about Trump University and your opinion because it's relevant to this topic.
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00:22:45.000I'm a conservative political science major, and I do agree that some aspects of college are definitely a scam, like DEI. But apart from law school, do you think humanities majors are unnecessary, even though some jobs do require a bachelor?
00:23:30.000For years, we've made a mistake to say that somehow the only way to get a head start in the American Dream was to go through a four-year college degree.
00:23:36.000You don't think about why you're doing it.
00:24:05.000He actually did not go to law school, but was one of the greatest attorneys at the time of the founding of the country.
00:24:11.000And then eventually he ended up joining the governing body of Yale University, where he actually wanted to do that to be able to give his kids a chance that he didn't have.
00:24:19.000But he was the best attorney of his day, even though he's not actually one who went to law school because he didn't have the money to do it.
00:24:24.000And so I think there's this trap we sometimes fall into of just, you're not asking for advice, but I feel like an older man in this room, so I'll give you some unsolicited advice anyway.
00:24:33.000We fall into the trap of just checking these boxes and somehow think that's going to get us ahead versus actually get to the bottom of what do you want to learn and why?
00:24:41.000It's not going to be the same as the person sitting next to you.
00:24:44.000And the problem with the four-year college degree model is it assumes a one-size-fits-all solution to everybody.
00:24:50.000So whatever the alternative is, I don't want a one size fits all for that either.
00:24:53.000Just ask yourself what you want to do.
00:24:55.000Nobody in this country, if we're doing our jobs right, should stop you from doing it.
00:24:58.000Pursue that with or without the path of the four-year college degree to get there.
00:25:23.000Back home, a lot of you know we have really high taxes.
00:25:26.000But a lot of people are okay with paying them because we get a lot of benefits that people like.
00:25:30.000And one of them is university is covered by government taxes.
00:25:34.000They're also paying for my tuition here, for example.
00:25:37.000And they're doing it pretty cost-effectively.
00:25:39.000Only about 3% of our combined tax pool goes to give everybody a bachelor's degree and a master's degree.
00:25:45.000And I'm wondering what you think about that and if that's a bad idea.
00:25:52.000And what's the highest marginal tax rate in Denmark?
00:25:55.000Oh, we have like up to 50-something percent.
00:25:58.000I think it might even go to the – some of the Scandinavian countries gets into the 60s is my understanding.
00:26:03.000So let me just give you a somewhat charged and controversial response, but it's the truth.
00:26:09.000A lot of the reason that some of these countries are able to get away with it is the United States spend, we spend about a trillion dollars on national defense.
00:26:17.000But a lot of that national defense goes to protect the very countries that then come back and preach at us about how they're able to get away with all of this fiscal balance that the United States doesn't have because they're enjoying the protection provided by the United States of America.
00:26:33.000So I do think that if we're to learn the lesson in this country that somehow high taxes and getting benefits for it is going to work based on the European model, it does not take into account all of the ways that a lot of those European countries are free-riding on the United States of America.
00:26:46.000That math would be really different if those countries had to use those resources for the purposes that the U.S. is itself paying for.
00:26:53.000Now, in the US, we got a separate problem going on, which we ought to learn from Europe on this.
00:26:58.000Starting in the 60s, we were at an event earlier today, we talked about the great society in a different sense.
00:27:03.000We traded off our sovereignty for stuff, okay?
00:27:07.000Back in the 1960s, you get Medicaid, you get welfare, whatever, but you traded off your sovereignty in the process, not just in the form of high tax rates, but a regulatory state that impeded how we do business as a country, how we conduct ourselves.
00:27:19.000And what's about to happen in the generation you all are growing up to, unless we change something big, Is that you traded off your sovereignty, but pretty soon we're going to run out of stuff, too.
00:27:29.000We've got a $35 trillion national debt and growing.
00:27:33.000Because if you've traded off your sovereignty, but you no longer get the stuff that you were promised, that's the stuff of revolt.
00:27:39.000So I think that's the time horizon we're working with.
00:27:41.000I think it's another 10 years or so that we have that country left.
00:27:45.000And I don't think going the direction of Scandinavia or Western Europe works.
00:27:49.000Because while they're able to free ride on the United States, we don't have somebody else to free ride on ourselves.
00:27:54.000We're going to have to figure it out ourselves by actually tackling our own national debt problem with productivity increases rather than doing it by just increasing the serial tax rates that we're charging and soaking the rich with.
00:28:05.000Yeah, and the last thing I'd ask you, is there clamoring domestically in your home country about immigration lately?
00:28:12.000Are you asking whether, could you just say that again?
00:28:21.000So that's the problem with the Scandinavian model.
00:28:23.000It's largely been based on very low rates of immigration.
00:28:27.000Recently, in the last decade, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, the four Scandinavian countries, And also the Netherlands, which is not a Scandinavian country, has decided to boost immigration, specifically from the Middle East.
00:28:36.000And that throws off the numbers a lot.
00:28:39.000Is that homogeneity in those four countries have largely allowed a neighborly type socialism to occur, which I think you would agree with.
00:28:47.000And now those balances are being thrown off.
00:29:10.000I know Norway very well, which is that Norway specifically is funded because of its oil and natural gas assets and putting it into a sovereign wealth fund.
00:29:25.000So, a couple of months ago, Thomas Massey went on Tucker Carlson, revealing how every Republican congressman has their own AIPAC person, pushing them to vote in favor of foreign aid to Israel.
00:29:39.000And this year, APEC spent over $400,000 trying to oust Massey from Congress, and in total, APEC has used over $100 million, ousting both Republicans and Democrats deemed insufficiently pro-Israel.
00:29:57.000So, to get to my question, why is Thomas Massey the only Republican willing to criticize this foreign lobby?
00:30:06.000Or any other pro-racial donors, such as Miriam Adelson giving 100 million to the Trump campaign?
00:30:14.000Why are both of you unwilling to ever criticize AIPAC or even address it or acknowledge it?
00:30:21.000Aren't they, like, literally, fundamentally undermining American sovereignty?
00:30:27.000Well, first of all, I love Thomas Massey, and I have him speak at our events.
00:30:29.000I mean, Thomas has become a great friend, and somebody supports him, I'm never going to speak against that.
00:30:35.000So what do you think about what he said, Tucker Carlson?
00:30:39.000That every Republican congressman has their own AIPAC person.
00:32:54.000The point is that the standard that you are setting for Israel, which albeit is a very principled stand, you should apply it to every other foreign country and the immigrants thereof that have come to this country that lobby Washington DC for countries they care about.
00:33:08.000And yet Israel gets all the attention.
00:33:10.000And so half the world's Jewry with a country the size of New Jersey in the Middle East that has democratic elections, individual rights, and is the most like America in the Middle East seems to be the obsession of the American media and the American college campuses.
00:33:31.000But now you're changing the topic, though.
00:33:33.000You've got to help me understand why is it, and I'm not picking on you, but it's like AIPAC gets all this attention, fine, but there are hundreds of other individual lobbying groups where Americans that came from other countries are lobbying for D.C. to do specific action for or against a country they care about.
00:33:51.000There's nothing wrong with a Cuban that comes to America that then goes to D.C., And advocates for sanctions on Cuba.
00:33:59.000So I would just say, let's say we had just started this with a different premise.
00:34:06.000In general, let's say you walk up to the mic and you say that, I don't think that I want special interests funded by money to have more of a say in the United States of America than the voice of every citizen.
00:34:16.000I think that that is a coherent, respectable, and understandable point of view.
00:34:20.000I think you came up and further said that I don't want foreign countries and That's for the reasons Charlie explained us on AIPAC, but foreign countries which are also lobbying the United States as registered and often unregistered agents impacting our foreign policy decisions based on how they're propping up politicians as their puppets.
00:34:37.000Is that something that both Republicans and Democrats for a lot of foreign influences and a lot of domestic influences of special interests have been guilty of for a really long time?
00:34:47.000So I think that that's a perfectly legitimate beef with the way that our bastardized form of American democracy has worked for a very long time.
00:34:56.000But I do think that Charlie makes a really valid point where anybody who ever usually brings up this issue usually picks their pet cause that they're against to hang that at the stake rather than to actually approach the issue even-handedly across the board.
00:35:11.000And I think if you're willing to do that, that could be a far more constructive conversation.
00:35:32.000I'd like to start off with first, I'm like a registered Republican and plan to vote so in the national election, but you're here in North Carolina and we have a pretty heated governorial election.
00:35:42.000And correct me if I'm wrong, that You've endorsed Mark Robinson as a Republican candidate, and I'm sure that everybody here in this room has seen the commercials regarding Mark Robinson and whatnot.
00:35:53.000So in the governorial race, it's getting pretty difficult to vote for Mark Robinson, and I guess I would like to just see what you think about that.
00:36:00.000Yeah, so I'm aware of some of the accusations, some of which are more interesting than others.
00:36:05.000You've got to educate me on these ads, so...
00:36:11.000So if you want to know about Carrie Lake ads, I can tell you all about them.
00:36:13.000Yeah, so there's been a few of just him on, well, porn sites talking about how he's a black Nazi and he's like made these claims.
00:36:22.000And he's also talked about girls and abortion and like how he said that they should keep their skirts down and legs closed.
00:36:30.000And I don't know, I just find that pretty alarming just to hear that from somebody that is like standing on the main stage and looking for votes.
00:36:36.000And I heard that recently Trump actually, who was once talking about him and was supporting him, has recently retracted his statements and said that he doesn't really know who he is.
00:37:53.000First of all, a lot of the people who have come here through the H-1B system would tell you, as I would, that it is just a broken system no matter who you're seeking to serve.
00:38:02.000For example, you want to talk about special interests and lobbying?
00:38:04.000This is direct Silicon Valley lobbying that said that if you get your H-1B visa and you're hired by one company, you're effectively like a slave.
00:38:11.000You can't switch to a different company.
00:38:14.000So there's so much that's broken and bureaucratized.
00:38:17.000Here's the next question about the H-1B visa system.
00:38:19.000Why the heck do we do it on the basis of a lottery when you could actually just select the very best people?
00:38:24.000So there's a lot that's broken about the administrative state, the bureaucracy.
00:38:28.000My general approach is when something's broken in government, you can't really fix it when it's lasted that long.
00:38:34.000You need to shut it down, start with a blank slate, and rebuild from scratch.
00:38:38.000And that's just a stylistic point that I've applied to this issue as to any other.
00:38:42.000Let me say a word about immigration policy more generally, though.
00:38:45.000You could imagine an immigration system that selects for the smartest people to come to the U.S. You could imagine an immigration system that selects for the ones who are going to work the hardest.
00:38:54.000You could imagine an immigration system that selects for those who love the United States or know the most about the United States or speak the best English.
00:39:01.000You could imagine any of those and we could have a debate which of those is the right immigration system to have.
00:39:06.000Turns out none of those is the quality that our current immigration system rewards.
00:39:12.000If I were to ask you, it would be a hard one for you to guess, but I'll give you a chance.
00:39:16.000What do you believe is the number one human attribute that our current immigration system actually selects for?
00:39:24.000This guy next to me just said nationality, but I also just wanted to say really quick...
00:39:28.000So I'll give you the answer to the question.
00:39:40.000Because if you're somebody coming from another country and you say that I can't seek asylum or say I'm seeking asylum because I'm not facing a bodily threat based on my own race or religion, the qualities required for actual seeking asylum.
00:39:56.000But if you show up at the southern border and check that box as you're instructed to by the cartels, whether or not you're actually facing that level of persecution, you do get into the country.
00:40:06.000So even drawn out of a hat and picking at random is still better than the system that we have right now.
00:40:12.000So my view on immigration policy is this.
00:42:01.000I really don't have time to study for more exams to earn my right to vote.
00:42:06.000So I wanted to ask you, why do you believe that we should be able to answer these silly questions to access our constitutional rights?
00:42:14.000So the last question was about immigration directed at me, and it directly relates to this one.
00:42:20.000So it turns out that every legal immigrant to this country who becomes a citizen, before they cast a vote, they could have paid millions of dollars in taxes.
00:42:28.000They could have made all kinds of contributions to this country, started businesses that employed hundreds or thousands of people.
00:42:35.000But they don't get to vote in this country and they don't get full citizenship until they do two things.
00:42:41.000One is show that they know some basic facts about the United States of America and how our government works.
00:42:47.000And number two is swear an oath of loyalty to the United States of America.
00:42:51.000Those are two conditions required of any legal immigrant who becomes a citizen.
00:42:57.000But my view is if we're going to require that of legal immigrants to this country, as we do, And I think it makes sense for every high school senior who graduates from high school to be able to pass the same civics test required of every legal immigrant to this country, and yes, to swear an oath of allegiance to the United States of America, because we've got a problem in this country.
00:43:18.000We got a crisis of national pride right now.
00:43:38.000Refuse to sit idly by and just watch that happen.
00:43:42.000Our nation go into this decay of civic self-confidence and say, we're actually going to step up and do something about it.
00:43:48.000And the least we could do is to demand some skin in the game that we know the basics about our country before somebody graduates from high school.
00:43:57.000And at least at the level of requiring a civics test for every person who graduates from high school, that is something legitimate for every governor to require in their state.
00:44:15.000So as a pragmatic matter, I would do it for everybody.
00:44:17.000I think it should be required for everybody for a condition for full citizenship.
00:44:21.000Difficulty comes with some practical implementation, but I'm with you on the principle there.
00:44:25.000The practical implementation is when somebody's been voting for 40 years and then you say, I'm going to take away from something from you that you've already done.
00:44:31.000That makes it a lot more difficult to implement than to say somebody's already in school.
00:44:36.000So we can implement civic education into high school, make it easier for actual our high school young people in this country to know more about our country by replacing DEI indoctrination with actual civic education, which we're not doing in this country.
00:44:49.000But while people are in school, you have a chance to start with a fresh slate that you probably can't do with somebody who's already 62 years old.
00:44:56.000So as a practical implementation, at least I would start with that.
00:44:58.000But if I could have it my way, would we do it for everybody?
00:46:16.000So, as a proud American college student and a child of South Korean immigrants, I'm particularly invested in our country's immigration policy.
00:46:24.000So one of the reasons that I've decided not to vote for Trump this year is because he had said verbatim, quote, what I want to do and what I will do is if you graduate from a college, I think you should get automatically as part of your diploma a green card to be able to stay in this country.
00:46:40.000And that includes junior colleges too.
00:46:44.000He's doubled down on this policy repeatedly at his rallies, in interviews, and on Truth Social in June, August, and again three weeks ago.
00:46:51.000He's basically saying that green cards, which is permanent residency, should be automatic for all college graduates with no vetting and given even for two-year degrees, so not just for highly skilled workers.
00:47:01.000That's a radically open immigration policy.
00:47:04.000This is often justified by saying that we need the best and brightest from the world, but it effectively decreases wages for American workers and massively increases competition for jobs and housing.
00:47:14.000Basically, he's promising as many green cards as colleges will accept foreign students, while F1 OPT workers don't even pay Social Security or Medicare taxes on their wages.
00:47:24.000And this cheaper immigrant labor only serves the Wall Street and Silicon Valley billionaires that are funding Trump's campaign this year, and the universities that are happy to accept tuition from rich foreigners, not American students that take out hefty loans for college and then cannot find a STEM job.
00:47:39.000There's already over one million foreign students in America, and there will be many more under Trump.
00:47:44.000I don't want us to become like Australia, where three to four percent of their entire population is students mostly from China or India.
00:47:51.000Kirk, I know that your stance on this topic has changed in the past.
00:47:56.000I've heard you shine light on your platform about over 20 million Americans, college students, set to enter the worst job market in American history.
00:48:03.000I've heard you mention correctly that over 15% of our nation is now foreign-born.
00:48:08.000I've heard you call for a temporary stop to all visas.
00:48:11.000So how do you reconcile your perspective with Trump's policies?
00:48:14.000In short, why should we expect mass immigration to go down under Trump?
00:48:18.000Because frankly, I have no reason to expect it.
00:49:03.000Well, on the open borders topic, well, that's actually really interesting that you bring that up because Trump himself didn't affirm this policy in 2016.
00:49:59.000You staying at home will hand the keys to the kingdom to someone that will destroy this country.
00:50:05.000And so if you actually had the objections and that wasn't some prepared speech that someone gave you, you'd be crawling over grass, grass or glass or both, to go vote for Trump because he's someone that is a much better fit for your worldview.
00:50:17.000See, Donald Trump not only is better at immigration, but I'm sure that you're better fit with him for many other issues.
00:50:23.000But not voting at all, that all it does is makes you feel good while your country burns.
00:50:27.000The country that your parents immigrated to, to try to make sure that you had a future.
00:50:31.000It does no good, except it makes some point here at an event.
00:50:40.000And I do like his rhetoric on immigration more, but legal immigrations, the 85,000 H1C visas were capped out every year of Trump's first presidency.
00:50:50.000Legal immigration, mass legal immigration stayed at an all-time high.
00:51:43.000My last remark is, my concern is that a Trump presidency would quell the dissidence and the dissatisfaction that's been found in the last four years while not fixing our problems simultaneously.
00:51:53.000I'll just give you one final case on that.
00:52:23.000So if your top concern is your ability to be an effective dissident from the right, from the left, or whatever, I think this election...
00:52:30.000Clearly it's about censorship on one side versus free speech on the other.
00:52:33.000And the fact of the matter is, I think your view that you just expressed here might be pretty high on the Kamala Harris administration list of views that need to actually be silenced by the time she's in charge.
00:53:25.000Yes, my family, if my daughter were to be raped, we would not be comfortable if my daughter would have a pregnancy without complications, murdering an unborn child.
00:53:35.000That is the values of our family, correct?
00:54:13.000But you can't tell the difference between the two.
00:54:14.000The point being is that universal human rights apply to all people regardless of the method of conception, correct?
00:54:20.000Now, of course, we acknowledge that rape is terrible and awful, but when in life is doing something evil after an evil act, permissible, acceptable, or okay?
00:54:28.000So, it's not evil because it's not murder, first of all.
00:55:18.000Actually, brain waves start at eight weeks, but let me be very clear.
00:55:22.000Why is it that brain activity is equal to moral worth?
00:55:24.000When someone is quote-unquote brain dead, which we don't even understand where consciousness resides, we know so little about the brain that neuroscientists can't even tell you where your own thoughts occur in the brain, that when someone is quote-unquote brain dead, do you know that women still have periods when they're brain dead?
00:55:37.000Do you know that when you cut someone who is quote-unquote brain dead, their adrenaline was spiked?
00:55:41.000Do you know that when someone is quote-unquote brain dead and a loved one comes in, their heart rate increases?
00:55:44.000So someone that is brain dead is still very much alive.
00:55:47.000In fact, we have hundreds of documented examples of people that were called brain dead by hospitals and doctors that quote-unquote come back to full brain activity.
00:55:55.000And the difference is when you have a baby that is unborn, has brainwaves at eight weeks, uninterrupted and absent intervention, those brainwaves will develop into a complete and fully developed human being as you and I are.
00:56:06.000So it's not the same thing, but why is brainwaves moral worth?
00:56:10.000Well, I describe moral worth as, like, relation to consciousness.
00:56:14.000And consciousness begins at about 20-ish weeks.
00:56:17.000That's when it first appears because that's when complex brainwave activity starts.
00:56:22.000You say at eight weeks that brainwave activity occurs, which is true.
00:57:35.000You could keep saying that, but the only way that the abortionist argument works is if you have a moral dimension for people that are outside the womb and a different moral dimension for people inside the womb.
00:57:45.000Those of us who are pro-life believe that morality transcends your size, location, environment, or degree dependency.
00:57:50.000Just because you're smaller and developing within utero doesn't mean you have a different moral framework that is applied to you.
00:57:56.000That you have universal human morality regardless of how small you are.
00:58:00.000And we don't have to agree on that, but that's the pro-life position.
00:58:03.000The pro-abortion position, you have to constantly be doing contortionist arguments.
00:58:19.000The moral standards that the abortionists will use on any of their arguments are carve-outs and exceptions because It's really hard to confront the truth of abortion, which is the murder and the slaughter of unborn children that did nothing wrong except want a place in this world.
00:59:16.000Okay, we agree, and that's a big deal, because both of those things right now are where this entire conversation is heading.
00:59:22.000And that's important, because right now abortion is being considered birth control, when it used to be safe, legal, and rare, and now it's abundant, and public, and taxpayer-subsidized.
00:59:32.000So we're actually not that far off on this topic.
00:59:58.000And this is relevant because Kamala Harris is now on one hand courting the black community, talking about reproductive rights, when the whole project was actually started to stop the reproduction of African Americans in the United States of America.
01:00:12.000That's the ugly, sordid history of how the pro-abortion agenda expanded politically in the U.S. And so I just think it's also worth tracing.
01:00:21.000I know that's not directly responsive to the really scientifically, you know, grounded attempt at the exchange you all had, but I do think that it is worth keeping in mind the political backdrop.
01:00:31.000It does irk me a little bit when I see a presidential candidate talk about reproductive rights, say I care about the future of the black community, and I also think that those two things have been deeply intentional to one another because the whole project was about preventing the depopulation of certain kinds of people in America.
01:00:45.000And sadly, that's exactly the effect that it's also had.
01:00:49.000Pertaining to also the fertility crisis, that was the subject of an earlier question, too.
01:00:52.000So we've got to look at these things as a whole.
01:00:54.000And I would just encourage you to look at, you know, these logical puzzles around philosophical dilemmas can get you so far.
01:01:00.000But sometimes when you see through the historical context, you see things a little bit differently on the other side of it, too.
01:01:16.000I wanted to ask you guys about climate change today.
01:01:20.000So in my opinion, it is the most important issue of our time.
01:01:24.000And I'll start by saying that research shows that America, or I mean, not Earth, does not have long, but that would be America too.
01:01:32.000A recent study by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change found that we only have about a decade to turn things around before we go over...
01:02:27.000So if you pull up the cover of Newsweek or Time magazine, back in the day they used to have these things called magazines that were like paper copies of things they mailed to people's homes.
01:02:36.000But, you know, I was alive when that happened.
01:02:38.000They had these Newsweek and Time magazines they would mail to your home.
01:02:41.000On the cover of it was warning of the effects of global climate change.
01:02:45.000Unless we stop burning fossil fuels, we're actually going to have not global warming, but an ice age.
01:02:52.000That's what scientists, as recently as the 1970s, were worried about.
01:02:56.000What they realized was that actually they started tracking these global surface temperatures and they weren't really going down.
01:03:19.000So now what are the actual facts we have?
01:03:21.000I don't care about what somebody calling themselves a scientist says.
01:03:24.000I care about what the actual facts are.
01:03:25.000There's facts that the hottest year on record.
01:03:27.000So I'll give you, it happens to be a study, a subject that I have studied quite deeply, and I'll give you hard facts on this without opinions.
01:03:35.000Are global surface temperatures going up by a little bit?
01:04:53.000I'm going to finish this point and then I'll give it right back to you.
01:04:55.000The best way to prevent all temperature-related deaths is more plentiful, abundant access to fossil fuels.
01:05:03.000And so the Earth today is actually more covered by green surface area than it was a century ago because carbon dioxide is plant food and they tend to grow in slightly warmer conditions.
01:05:14.000So I think the evidence, actually, if you had to pick, is stronger to suggest that, on balance, a slight increase in global surface temperatures, which is exactly what we're experiencing, It's actually on net a positive for humanity rather than the thing that's killed more human beings throughout human history, which are global ice ages, which is exactly what they worried about in the 1970s.
01:05:34.000So on the back of that evidence to say somehow we've got to stop burning fossil fuels when actually more people are dying of bad climate change policies, I think it's asinine, and I think it is anti-human, and I think it is going to result in the degradation of the West as we ship those same fossil fuels to places like China in the name of stopping global warming.
01:05:56.000As the same people who oppose fossil fuels are also opposing nuclear energy, the greatest form of energy production that's carbon free known to mankind.
01:06:04.000It doesn't make sense because this is actually a cult, a substitute for a modern religion.
01:06:09.000And I think the climate change agenda, if it's representative of anything, it has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with the loss of actually faith and meaning and purpose and actually self-conviction and belief in God in our country.
01:06:21.000That's actually what I think it's about.
01:06:23.000I think that you have taken this question on a completely other side of the The AMOC in the Atlantic is, scientists are now saying that it is struggling and may collapse within the next few years, which will bring...
01:06:41.000Cold temperatures to the northern Europe.
01:06:47.000So, as you argued that cold temperatures are worse for humans than warm temperatures, heating up of the earth will bring warm temperatures to Europe.
01:07:07.000It's been real since the start of the earth.
01:07:09.000Climate change has existed as long as the earth has existed.
01:07:12.000But the idea that we as human beings are contributing to this in a way that's net negative to humanity is a myth.
01:07:18.000The climate change agenda is a hoax because it has nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with China actually laughing at every step of the way while we impede ourselves in the West.
01:07:29.000China burned more coal last year than they've ever burned in the history of their existence as a country.
01:07:39.000Not only because China's catching up to the United States, but actually in the name of this climate agenda, we forget about actually what I think we should care about, which is clean air and clean water.
01:07:48.000And China's coal is actually far more dirtier for the air than even that which we burn in the United States.
01:07:53.000So the whole thing fails at every level.
01:07:55.000And what it is, is you got a modern Joan of Arc figure, I guess they call her Greta Thunberg, that is offering a substitute for religion that we've lost.
01:08:04.000And I do think that when you stop believing in your nation, you start pledging allegiance to new movements or flags instead.
01:08:10.000This is just evidence of a deeper hunger for a cause.
01:08:14.000Climate change is what we've latched onto, abandoning the facts.
01:08:17.000And as somebody who majored, I was a molecular biology undergrad at Harvard, I'll tell you a simple rule of thumb to say whether you actually are following science or not.
01:08:25.000If your conclusion was going to be the same, regardless of what the data tells you, that means you're not actually following science.
01:08:32.000So that's to say that if they said it was going to be a global catastrophe, if global surface temperatures go up, that that's a problem.
01:08:38.000But then they discover the risk might be that global surface temperatures would go down and that's a problem.
01:08:42.000It means that the data didn't matter to them in the first place.
01:08:45.000It was a separate agenda that they were using the data as a smokescreen to push.
01:08:49.000And that's exactly what's happening with the modern climate agenda.
01:12:37.000The point is that we don't teach our kids to scrap or hustle anymore.
01:12:40.000We have this ridiculous oligarchy that you have to go borrow a bunch of money and get into the secret society, the frat club, and then maybe you might be able to navigate it and meet somebody.
01:12:49.000It's all BS. Life goes to the person who wants it the most.
01:12:53.000If you scrap, if you hustle, you have good ethics and integrity, and yes, 200 grand, you could go a long way instead of studying a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter, find jobs that don't exist.
01:13:04.000I would personally from the football world and from the people I know who have told me to come to college to learn from these people and build those connections.
01:13:13.000I'm telling you from the outside looking in, the world is vastly changing, more than you guys realize, and your little certificate as a piece of paper means nothing for those of us that actually employ people.
01:14:08.000So I just want to start by asking you guys, you guys keep talking about how important homeownership is in this election cycle.
01:14:15.000So can you explain why homeownership is important, firstly?
01:14:18.000Yeah, well, I can just tell you, as someone, when I bought my first home, your mentality changes immediately from when you're renting to when you're owning.
01:14:24.000As soon as you own, you're more invested in your community.
01:14:26.000You actually look at a property tax bill.
01:14:38.000And those three things are increasingly not happening with young people.
01:14:41.000And not to mention, the way the tax code is currently written, it's that it's rigged in favor of home ownership.
01:14:47.000That you get a mortgage interest-based deduction so you can write it off.
01:14:50.000Number two, you're literally putting money in a piggy bank for 30 years.
01:14:54.000And if standard operating procedure continues, that asset will gain value, if not keep value, over a period of time.
01:15:01.000And so, whereas renting, you're making somebody else rich, and you yourself are not actually putting any money in a durable, lasting way to build equity.
01:15:11.000Part of what we miss right now is just a groundedness in who we are.
01:15:16.000I think we've lost that at every level, that I'm a vague global citizen fighting climate change somewhere versus a citizen of the United States of America, that that means something to me.
01:15:24.000That goes from the climate change to the civics question from earlier.
01:15:27.000Part of what we're missing is that I'm a member of a family, that I have a mother and a father, that I believe in being grounded as a member of a family.
01:15:36.000And as part of that, I just think there's something about human nature that requires a grounding in your home to know that that's permanent rather than fleeting.
01:15:44.000It gives you a greater skin in the game in your own community.
01:15:46.000And our founding fathers understood this when they actually said you had to be a landowner back then even in order to vote.
01:15:51.000I'm not saying that's the right solution, but they recognize the fact that we're at our best when we feel grounded and have skin in the game in the country and the community where we actually live.
01:16:00.000Now, we've made home ownership really difficult in this country, in part because the supply of new home construction is basically, I wouldn't say non-existent, but artificially constrained by all these arbitrary zoning requirements, land use restrictions, and it's especially hard for your generation because they actually restrict the ability to build smaller homes, exactly the kind of homes that young people might want to own after they graduate from college or graduate from high school, often with a lot of debt on their shoulders, and I think that's got to go.
01:16:29.000That's all the product of special interest and lobbying.
01:16:31.000And I don't think that you have to own a home that looks exactly like the ones next to you and have to be larger homes rather than smaller ones.
01:16:38.000I think you still can get that same sense of grounding by being a smaller home of a kind that the current regulations aren't allowing to be built.
01:16:46.000I think Donald Trump is very focused on fixing this at a federal level.
01:16:49.000But a lot of this is a state issue, too, that's going to be fixed mostly by red states that are doing a lot better on bringing those housing costs down than a lot of blue states where they've gone up.
01:16:58.000So that's what I'm talking about from a policy.
01:17:08.000Vivek, I appreciate your candor during your appearance on the All In Podcast, where David Friedberg raised concerns about monetary policy and deficit spending as existential threats to our nation.
01:17:19.000I share these concerns, believing that politicians often engage in vote buying or artificially inflating markets.
01:17:26.000Do you support transitioning to a system where the U.S. dollar is backed by gold or another standard?
01:17:32.000If not, what alternative would you propose?
01:17:34.000Additionally, why should we remain at the mercy of the Federal Reserve regarding monetary policy?
01:17:40.000Isn't increasing the money supply, thereby reducing the scarcity of our dollar, a form of taxation without proper representation?
01:17:47.000Yeah, I mean, what are you up to right now?
01:17:50.000Are you graduating from here, or what?
01:17:53.000I'm in this program called CSTAP, so I'm in Wake Tech, and I'll be transferring in next year.
01:17:57.000I just ask because we need a new chairman of the Federal Reserve, and you seem to have a better understanding of it than the people who have occupied that job in the past.
01:18:05.000So, you know, we could talk after if you're looking for some jobs afterwards.
01:18:08.000The chairman of the Federal Reserve is open next January.
01:18:15.000So the Federal Reserve has been openly hostile to wage growth in this country.
01:18:21.000Actually, part of the reason the bottom 99% in inflation-adjusted terms have remained flat, only the top 1% has gone up, is because of the Federal Reserve.
01:18:29.000They treat inflation, historically the last 25 years, as a leading, they treat wage growth as a leading indicator of inflation.
01:18:38.000So that means they tighten monetary policy right into a natural downturn of the business cycle because wages is the last thing to go up, which gives you these boom-bust bailout cycles.
01:18:48.000That 2008 financial crisis I referred to earlier, that was created by a lot of these failed policies.
01:18:53.000And what do you have on the back of it?
01:18:54.000You have a government bailout that taxpayers pay for.
01:18:56.000So we've been through that enough times that the right answer, I'm pretty sympathetic to the idea of tying the U.S. dollar to gold.
01:19:02.000I'd just add a few more commodities to that basket because I don't want to be tied to any one commodity.
01:19:07.000But hard assets stabilize the U.S. dollar as a unit of measurement, period.
01:19:13.000Right now, what the Federal Reserve's been doing, it's like the analogy I'd use is like a drunken man at a bar throwing darts.
01:19:21.000Trying to hit two targets at the same time with one arrow and missing badly on both.
01:19:39.000It's about 23,000 employees at the US Federal Reserve right now.
01:19:42.000We don't need 23,000 people to do that simple arithmetic calculation.
01:19:46.000We need fewer than 2,000, probably only several hundred to get that job done.
01:19:50.000And that reveals the greater problem with our government, which is that when you have thousands of unelected bureaucrats showing up to work, the biggest cost isn't even their salary cost.
01:20:01.000It's that these people find random things to do, and that's exactly what's happened with the Fed, but it's also what's happened with the rest of the federal government.
01:20:10.000And so if we're going to save this country and actually get serious about it, we're going to think about what's real in the next four years.
01:20:15.000What are you going to get from Donald Trump?
01:20:16.000I hope that you're not going to get from any other politician.
01:20:19.000Is mass downsizing of that federal government.
01:20:22.000We got questions about the immigration policy, and yes, we're going to have mass deportation of millions of illegals who are in this country illegally.
01:20:31.000But don't forget the second mass deportation that we also need, which is the mass deportation of millions of unelected federal bureaucrats out of the Washington, D.C. bureaucracy.
01:20:58.000No, if you're serious, you've got to strike this beast at its core.
01:21:02.000You're not going to reform the bureaucracy.
01:21:04.000But if we're really serious about this, we're going to get in there and shut it down.
01:21:08.000That's the stuff of how you save a country, not just the Fed as in the Federal Reserve, but the Fed as in the federal government bureaucracy as we know it.
01:21:15.000So I appreciate the question, young man.
01:21:20.000I just want to remind all you guys, you have to go vote and vote early.
01:21:24.000You're not voting for Trump or Harris.
01:21:26.000You're voting for 5,000 people that will fill your government.
01:21:29.000Which one better fits and better suits your worldview?
01:21:32.000You have Donald Trump that will have Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, Bobby Kennedy, a team of all-stars, or Kamala Harris that has Anthony Fauci, Mayorkas, Tony Blinken, the most unimpressive people you could possibly put together.