In this episode, I sit down with Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, a powerful youth organization dedicated to fighting for freedom and freedom on college campuses across the country. We talk about how important it is to have someone like Charlie on your side, and why he is one of the most formidable voices in politics for decades to come. Charlie is a force to be reckoned with, and I can't wait to see what he does in 2020 and beyond. Tweet me if you have a list of the Top 10 Influencers in Trump's 2024 election victory, and we'll put it on The Charlie Kirk Show! Timestamps: 4:00 - Who are the top 10 influencers in the Trump 2020 election? 6:30 - What are the most powerful people in politics right now? 11:15 - How important is Charlie Kirk to me? 13:00 16:20 - What would you put Charlie Kirk in your top 5 of the top 3 most powerful men in politics? 17:00- What are your thoughts on Charlie Kirk's top 5? 18:20- What do you think of Charlie's list? 19:40 - What is your favorite politician you would put Charlie in your own personal top 3? 21:30- Why Charlie Kirk is a formidable voice in politics 22:15- What does he do best? 23:30 24:40 25 - Who's your favorite political voice? 26: Who are you looking forward to in 2020? 27:20 29: Who's going to be the next decade for Charlie Kirk? 30:00 | What are you would like to see Charlie Kirk running the White House in the next five decades? 35:30 | Who do you want to see him running the next 20 years? 36:40 | What s your favorite person in 2020 or 30:10 | Who's the best person you d have in 2020 & 35:20 | Which one of your favorite? 37:10 38:00 What s going to come next decade? 39:10 - What s the best politician you d like to come back in 2040? 40:00 +40:00 & 45: Who would you like to have Charlie Kirk run it? 45:00 And so on and so much more! 47:00 Thanks for listening to this episode of the PBD Podcast?
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00:01:35.000I think both of them were very, very important in the 2024 election that took place.
00:01:43.000There was plenty of moments with Chris being all over the place with his commentary, whether it was at the DNC calling everybody out, whether it's calling out the candidates, whether it's calling out, whether it's being fair, having a moment with J.D. Vance and Trump calls in, whether it's the phone call after the assassination attempt.
00:02:00.000I think Chris was a mensch in the 2024 election that took place.
00:02:05.000It was great watching you, the work you did with News Nation.
00:02:08.000Phenomenal, phenomenal work you guys did out there.
00:03:31.000And Charlie Kirk, to me, I have it in top ten, but I have you in my top five.
00:03:37.000But I think, folks, over the next decade, two, three, four, five decades to come, I think Charlie's going to be one of the most top three, sometimes one or two, most formidable voices in politics for decades to come.
00:03:57.000You'll see what this guy's going to be doing.
00:03:59.000I'm watching his TikTok account when he's going out there sitting with kids and challenging them and bringing other people and you're having those conversations.
00:04:06.000And then the debates, the conversations you're having with people that want to challenge you, going to the youth.
00:05:22.000FEMA, what happened over there with FEMA? You know, the conversations that FEMA's got to report directly to the president, not to some other institution or another.
00:06:00.000Bitcoin, the results, what's happened since Trump got elected.
00:06:03.000Oil industry, Harris' campaign, some numbers came out about how much they paid Beyonce, how much they paid all these guys.
00:06:10.000If that's true, that, I mean, again, I want to get your thoughts on that.
00:06:13.000Rogan saying Harris' campaign wanted topic restrictions for interview issues.
00:06:18.000And then a few other things that Elon apparently knew way before it was done.
00:06:22.000And then China issues warning to Trump.
00:06:23.000Anyways, these are all the things that I got.
00:06:25.000But listen, I wanted to make sure we take a moment to recognize somebody.
00:06:31.000I think this is very important because even though Kamala lost, we wanted to take a moment and create some merch on her behalf because I know it matters to her.
00:06:40.000Rob, if you can, because, listen, right now it's what?
00:06:58.000And when we all sing happy tunes and sing Merry Christmas and wish each other Merry Christmas, these children are not going to have a Merry Christmas.
00:07:51.000You want some of the ugly sweaters that we have here, Rob?
00:07:53.000Can you show some of the stuff that we got here?
00:07:55.000You want to get some of the stuff for your kids, shirts, future looks bright.
00:07:59.000Merry Christmas gear is officially here.
00:08:02.000And if you're bold enough to do it and order it, and again, you place any orders of these, we're going to put some future Looks Bright ornaments in the order for you.
00:08:12.000Limited edition custom that we have for the first hundred that placed the order.
00:08:15.000If you're bold enough and you're comfortable going out there telling people Merry Christmas and you're a valutainer that believes the future Looks Bright, Go place an order.
00:08:25.000And let's make some people uncomfortable or comfortable this Christmas with saying Merry Christmas.
00:08:30.000Having said that, let's get right into it.
00:09:25.000Everybody should remember this moment.
00:09:27.000Look, I'm going to echo Charlie from earlier.
00:09:30.000Remember where you were when this happened.
00:09:32.000Remember where you were when you realized that the Uniparty and all these, you know, just the establishment, you said it's time to actually participate.
00:10:24.000Donald Trump was basically in political exile, and we dug out of what would be the greatest political hole in modern American history.
00:10:34.000And especially this last year and a half, everything was just coming through me from not just how hard the president worked, but how hard we worked.
00:10:40.000I mean, we traveled the country nonstop, didn't see my family, did events in every corner.
00:10:44.000The president was facing 700 years in federal prison.
00:10:47.000They tried to take his business empire away from him.
00:10:49.000And then, of course, he got shot and nearly shot again at the golf course.
00:10:52.000And there was this kind of feeling of like, is this possible?
00:10:58.000And, you know, going into election night, we're almost built in with kind of this paranoia that there's no way this is actually going to materialize.
00:11:09.000It's God shining His grace on this great country and is just overwhelmed in that moment.
00:11:16.000It still really hasn't set in, to be honest.
00:11:18.000Charlie, to the average person that's watching this, we know some of the stories that have come out from the moment it was announced that he's won.
00:11:25.000What events have taken place the last few days?
00:13:06.000But he's listening to Fox, so when Fox says it, that's what...
00:13:09.000There's not a real big upside to being first.
00:13:12.000What's relevant to me, you just don't want to be wrong, okay?
00:13:15.000That's why, guys, when the momentum was hitting you during your event, which is amazing, by the way, and I love that it came off as successfully as it did.
00:14:24.000He just won by a small margin in a lot of areas, and she underperformed.
00:14:30.000The reason Trump won was because the Democrats, you know, other than the themes and all the stuff that we can talk about, the ideas behind the motivation, The Democrats underperformed.
00:17:55.000How have you, for somebody that's been in this space, viewed...
00:17:59.000The evolution, he may not say this, but from the viewer's side, from Cuomo 10 years ago, 8 years ago, 6 years ago, 4 years ago, 2 years ago today.
00:18:22.000And look, I think that I don't know Chris very well, but it seems as if Chris has an act to actually do what journalists used to do, increasingly so.
00:18:31.000And I mean, you had this great video that someone sent me where you explained why Trump people were voting for Trump and they wanted to hire somebody for a dirty job.
00:18:40.000I'm paraphrasing, but I thought that was really smart.
00:18:43.000And, look, I don't expect everyone in media to go vote for Donald Trump.
00:18:46.000I actually think it's awesome that he didn't vote for Kamala Harris, which is super refreshing because that's like the automatic entry point, right?
00:19:10.000But thank you for doing that because so many people would hold back on that because they're afraid of being called all these terrible names.
00:20:10.000My concern is that we've become so sensitive.
00:20:13.000To the criticism and the gotchas, it's become such a commodity that what I love about what he's doing at Valuetainment is that there are a number of people who will tune in, Charlie Kirk, Chris Cuomo, thinking that, like, I'm going to try to lift you over my head at some point, you know?
00:20:28.000And I get that that's a commodity, but I also think it's really toxic to us because every time they do a poll of real people, we know what they say.
00:20:37.000Seven out of ten of them say they share common interests.
00:21:15.000The fact that you're talking vaccine, that is also part that he can do it while you're representing a NewsNation, so kudos to them, where maybe you couldn't do it being at a different outlet.
00:21:26.000Now, you may defend him now and say, yeah, I could still do that, CNN, etc., etc.
00:21:30.000I don't know if during that time they would have let that, you know...
00:22:21.000That would have been like, you know, you got to be careful because now you're speaking for all of CNN.
00:22:26.000But let me, look, I will tell you, I think the day, the show that you did with News Nation, with Dana, Cuban, all those guys, I think that was successful.
00:22:40.000I'm a big booster of yours because I believe...
00:22:43.000That, and, you know, it's not about what your political aspirations are and the stupid rule that, you know, you can't be president because you didn't live here.
00:22:50.000I mean, if there was one thing that I could change, you know, it might not matter to people, but it does to me.
00:22:55.000In a nation of immigrants, you know, you can't be one and be president.
00:25:10.000So we've been trying to get on TikTok for a while, and TikTok had a censorship regime that was very sensitive to topics that we would discuss on campus.
00:25:21.000Well, it's interesting, and I have a whole theory that October 7th was the event that led to the end of the Democrat Party, and I could lead it through four or five different examples.
00:25:30.000And I think Chris would actually agree with this, because it's just an objective analysis, not a partisan one.
00:25:35.000And the buried lead of the October 7th was that it got TikTok banned.
00:25:41.000And remember, the TikTok ban stalled based on just China concerns.
00:25:44.000But TikTok was the hub of a lot of the anti-Israel sentiment that was brewing with Gen Z. And then all of a sudden the TikTok ban got resurfaced.
00:25:55.000Mitt Romney said at a security conference, we are banning TikTok because it is sowing anti-Israel sentiment in the United States.
00:26:39.000And so we started posting my old college discussions there because I've been doing this for 12 years where we just have open dialogues and we started to get 5 million views a day, 6 million views a day and 10 million views a day.
00:26:50.000And so over the summer, I said, well, what if this election season I do like 25 campus stops and we kind of create these open air discussions and they might go viral, especially on TikTok, that could influence a lot of people to view the election the way obviously I want them to view it.
00:27:07.000And yeah, look, on TikTok alone, it was a billion views in 90 days.
00:27:11.000It's like 60 to 80 million views a day.
00:27:13.000And that sounds like a number, but all of a sudden, here's what was amazing.
00:27:17.000It was the most effective way I ever reached the working class in my career.
00:27:30.000Even more so than YouTube and Instagram, for whatever reason, something about TikTok really reaches people that Donald Trump was trying to win 10 or 15% more of.
00:28:14.000If you would have told me a year ago that we'd have one of the largest TikToks out there in conservative media in all politics, I would have said no way.
00:28:22.000And we could go whatever direction you want, Pat, but I believe without the horror and the tragedy on October 7th and the events that came subsequent, I don't know if we would have had the success on TikTok that we did.
00:28:44.000This was kind of interesting because one day I get a call from Vanity Fair and they're asking me about what do you think about the fact that Barron Trump is getting all these podcast bros for his father to get on and what do you think about that strategy and all this?
00:29:05.000Trump's win included a 14-point lead among men under 30, a drastic 30-point shift from 2020 when Biden had a 15-point lead.
00:29:15.000For women under 30, Harris led by 18 points, a drop from 32 points in 2020.
00:29:20.000Nationally, 16% of voters were under 30, up from 13%, so three plus in 2020, with Harris's support among them shrinking to just six points over Trump, 52 to 46.
00:29:34.000Economic issues dominated young voters' concerns with 39% of young women and 42% of young men prioritizing jobs and the economy.
00:29:42.000Trump's campaign reached young voters through college events.
00:29:46.000TikTok, they're talking about you right here, and popular podcasts.
00:29:50.000Following advice from his son, Barron, who recommended appearance on platforms such as Aiden Raz, drawn hundreds of thousands of views.
00:29:57.000No, Now, Aiden, sure, Gamer, all this stuff.
00:30:00.000But a lot of this, if I was to hear someone, for example, Celebrity gets on.
00:33:04.000You know, when Donald Trump at some point decides to come on News Nation and sit down, it's not going to be like he's sitting down with Newsmax or Fox News.
00:33:32.000But I think you'd do a good job if you came from a perspective of you want to make sure the American people have clarity on what he believes.
00:34:54.000NBA, Cleveland Cavs are off to a 12-0 record.
00:34:57.000It doesn't matter when it comes down to the playoffs.
00:34:59.000In politics right now, a lot of events happened last 12 months.
00:35:04.000I remember a year and a half ago, I'm bringing guests here, and we're having different conversations, and a lot of people were still DeSantis.
00:35:11.000They were even uncomfortable to be pro-Trump.
00:35:15.000I would go to events, and guys were kind of like, whoa, you've got to be comfortable.
00:35:21.000Don't be too pro-Trump because you're even losing the conservative vote.
00:35:24.000This was about a year and a half, two years ago that was happening.
00:35:26.000So you had to kind of be like, ah, relax a little bit when you're being 2-2-2.
00:35:34.000But then in the last 12 months, specifically, if this is a sport, in the last 12 months, to both of you guys, what would you say were the defining moments where it flipped?
00:35:44.000And by the way, I'd like to see one from both of you guys, but also reasons.
00:37:01.000And the reason being is that you saw a national popular vote tilt a certain way, which is indicative that the entire country is consuming information differently.
00:37:25.000But national public polling shows that there was this moment where the country started to care more about immigration.
00:37:30.000The country started to care more about what's happening in Ukraine.
00:37:33.000Public attitudes were changing, and I believe that is because we had a platform that finally allowed freedom of speech, because all the other ones were clamping down on it.
00:37:44.000And then number two, I think it would be the indictments of Donald Trump, starting which, when the Rubicon was crossed, when Alvin Bragg indicted Donald Trump in New York for this ridiculous, just concocted pile of garbage that no one could explain, and Donald Trump was then viewed correctly as a martyr by his supporters and a sympathetic figure to the people who couldn't afford groceries.
00:38:10.000And for a regular person, the equation, the formula is built.
00:38:14.000I can't afford stuff that I used to, and the guy I've been told to hate is now facing prison time.
00:38:23.000And so then what happened is that regular, everyday people would go turn on the networks and say, okay, help me understand this, MSNBC. A lot of people would give the benefit of the doubt.
00:39:32.000And when you had that kind of focus from obviously the highest capacity person on the planet, coupled with Donald Trump, you're talking about a force multiplier the likes of which that literally, in my opinion, saved civilization.
00:40:32.000It depends what he does with his podcast.
00:40:34.000But he's probably not going to do very well.
00:40:35.000But I'm saying, right, because it could fade into because what it has done very well Well, fringe and dissenting voices have done very well in that space.
00:41:02.000Because what happened was the left got caught in a space of trying to convince you that you weren't paying more for things and that that wasn't really a problem.
00:46:02.000And it is something that Donald Trump's most effective political advertisement in this cycle, and Susie Wiles deserves such credit for this and her entire team because they trust their instinct.
00:46:15.000The first one is where they showed Kamala Harris sitting down with a trans activist in California where she was bragging that illegals got taxpayer-funded gender reassignment surgery.
00:46:24.000I mean just like such – and bragging about it.
00:46:26.000Then they ran another ad of Charlemagne from The Breakfast Club reacting to that and basically saying Kamala Harris is for they, them.
00:46:45.000I got to disagree a little bit with Bill O'Reilly here, based on what you said.
00:46:48.000It wasn't just groceries and gas, because the Trump campaign spent $75 million on a non-grocery and gas, because that ad struck down to a chord that was Kamala Harris's weakness.
00:46:59.000She is this radical ideologue from California who will pander to foreigners, not Americans, with the most wild abstract left-wing ideas, and then incorporated in that, oh, by the way, she's also for they-them, so anyone who's dealing with that kind of HR policing in the corporate life, it's kind of a little trigger.
00:48:28.000Here's my problem with this issue, and I welcome this.
00:48:32.000I say all the time, You're not going to get a lot of parents to vote for you when you say it's okay that a guy my size is playing girls volleyball in high school.
00:50:04.000This two-minute video, the guy is saying, when you start putting men competing in women's sports, the guy comes out, Jay, correct him, saying you can't have transphobia.
00:51:31.000If they continue this way, though, Chris, if they continue this way...
00:51:36.000The argument, the argument when you're presenting and the method of you trying to gain the voters, when you do things like that, you lose in a major way, which, by the way, this is the commercial Charlie was talking about.
00:52:26.000There has been this consensus by some that the culture war should be away from politics and the culture war loses elections.
00:52:34.000This this advertisement, as studied now by three different firms as the most effective ad is is against that theory, which is that the culture war actually gave Donald Trump the ad edge.
00:52:47.000Now, Chris, I'll also say that ad probably was also why some black young black men stayed at home.
00:53:46.000I totally agree with the premise, okay?
00:53:48.000And I think that the manifestations of it that they were putting out there are even more effective Then the sports one, that everybody gets access to a sex change in prison, that even illegal migrants get access.
00:54:00.000That bothers your sense of rightness, okay?
00:54:07.000To me, those are more powerful than the guys my size playing high school, or that guy was like twice my size, that was in the commercial, playing with girls.
00:54:40.000Or right now, the story that was cooking before the election, the San Jose State volleyball team, all these teams are forfeiting.
00:54:47.000I mean, that is at the highest levels of the NCAA. And so, yeah, I mean, look, we don't know to the exact rapidity that it is happening, but even if it happens once at an NCAA championship level.
00:54:59.000Now, where I had more of a problem with this is the immigrant crime issue, because to me, like on this one I get because it's a value play.
00:55:07.000On the immigrant crime thing, I was like, hey, you don't have to make boogeymen out of them.
00:57:11.000Where it's hard for people to disagree with the position, you're in a very good space.
00:57:16.000And immigration, it's been on poll preferences before, but it's never been like a main thing, the way it has the last couple of cycles.
00:57:27.000And I think that that has been a huge differentiator that has been beneficial to the right slash Trump, which is...
00:57:35.000Really, that far-left explanation of open borders, you know, it's very hard to find a Democrat who's in power who's in favor of an open border.
00:57:44.000But the perception that, well, Trump had this set of rules.
00:57:50.000You came in, and you got rid of all of them because they were his, and you did nothing to replace it to deal with the problem, and it all got worse on your watch.
00:57:58.000It's really hard with anybody to disagree with that.
00:58:36.000For the record, it wasn't just because of Abbott.
00:58:38.000Joe Biden and the DHS also, they do flights out from the ports of entry, right?
00:58:43.000So it wasn't just red state governors.
00:58:45.000Right, but he did it with an intentionality.
00:58:48.000There was some political theatrics to it.
00:58:51.000However, the policy of the Department of Homeland Security is that you go to a port of entry and we will give you a flight to 30 cities that you're choosing.
00:59:05.000And look, catch and release is another one of those things that it is hard to be in favor of as a principle.
00:59:15.000So wait, you're going to catch somebody doing something wrong, and you're going to let them go and hope they come back and probably get kicked out of the country.
00:59:29.000the last four years if it does it if it's so insane why do you think that is several reasons okay uh one because solving that problem is not as useful to them until now as weaponizing the problem and i believe that about both sides that it allowed democrats to say boy do you people hate people you are anti-american you don't even love immigrants anymore
00:59:55.000you toxic whiteys and it allowed the right to say you people are crazy You do not use your brain.
01:00:04.000There is nothing good about what's pouring over the border.
01:00:06.000And I really believe that's a big motivator and why neither side, you know, Obama had both houses, didn't, you know, did health care, didn't do this.
01:00:14.000Nobody has, when they've had the chance, has tried to do this except late in the game this last cycle, which everybody saw through.
01:00:20.000Second reason, they do have a left flank issue.
01:00:23.000They do have a left flank issue that is hypersympathetic To the suffrage of those people and believe that you should just be welcoming all in.
01:00:56.000So what you do in politics nine times out of ten is ignore it and focus on something else instead of owning and fixing because owning gets you owned.
01:01:06.000I mean, but if you know that 10,000 people a day are coming into your country and you ignore it, how is that not treason?
01:01:58.000I have my own speculation, of which is nothing but that, how you can say that you're governing a country, and you're spending all this money on Ukraine, and all this stuff on abstractions, and you just are kind of, at best, indifferent to your own nation being overrun.
01:02:26.000And my reason for saying yes is because if Twitter was still owned by Dorsey, ran by the old guy, I don't remember his name, the CEO, A lot of people wouldn't be back on, and the first domino of getting Trump back on social was Twitter when he let Alex Jones back on, when he let Andrew Tate back on, when he let Trump back on, and Trump wouldn't tweet because he was still on truth, and Facebook follows, Instagram follows, everybody else follows, right?
01:02:57.000If that doesn't happen, we don't hear the counterarguments to everything, and we can be gaslit into believing that nothing's really going on with the border.
01:03:06.000That opens it up where someone like me, I run a big insurance agency, and what my day looked like is every day people would bring me things and say, watch what he did.
01:04:06.000There's so much of this that the person that's not involved in politics, that I don't need to have 45 years in politics or 60 years to say, no, common sense, this doesn't make sense.
01:04:15.000No, common sense, this doesn't make sense.
01:04:16.000You have to be right because of what we just saw in the returns.
01:04:19.000Well, it's not about I have to be right.
01:04:20.000I think the American people who don't have time to follow politics, but they've lived a life long enough where they trust common sense, sit there and say, that's the party of common sense.
01:04:33.000I can't vote for you because you don't make any sense with the border, with the economy, with marriage, with the way you're okay with these guys competing.
01:05:04.000Is officially the Director of Immigration in Law Enforcement, the border czar.
01:05:11.000And when that was announced, I think about a year ago, a year and a half ago, we talked about, Rob, that if Trump gets elected, if you can go on Twitter, Rob, just play that clip from the podcast.
01:07:36.000I'm only involved in two transitions if you count this one.
01:07:38.000There is this constant repetition at Mar-a-Lago right now about we need to fulfill the mandate.
01:07:44.000And it doesn't matter anything else except what did the voters select and what is going to allow the president to fulfill the mandate that voters gave him.
01:07:53.000I think his picks so far have been terrific.
01:07:55.000I do encourage people, unless you see it on Donald Trump's Truth Social, it is not...
01:08:05.000Yeah, I mean, some people say, well, Rubio selected.
01:08:07.000Well, it very well might be, but that's not verified yet, okay?
01:08:09.000And people, there's a lot of Twitterati chatter right now, and you guys got to, if you don't see it on Donald Trump's Truth Social, there is an exhaustive process to get it on Trump's Truth Social, and then it's signed, sealed, and delivered, right?
01:08:21.000It's an ironic situation, because usually that It's the last place I would go to know.
01:08:26.000No, but right now I can just tell you that there's a whole process.
01:08:31.000I think Eric Trump also said that last night on Hannity.
01:08:32.000When Hannity asked him about Rubio and he says, look, if my father hasn't said it, it's not verified.
01:09:13.000Whether or not my concern gets internalized or gets heard is a separate issue.
01:09:19.000But I think that if you have too many special elections, you allow a desperate Democrat party that obviously has a lot of money to get newfound momentum while you're trying to actually get your administration off the ground.
01:09:30.000So that is definitely a concern of mine.
01:09:33.000However, you have to build your cabinet.
01:09:52.000It's state by state with the Senate though, right?
01:09:54.000The governors replace and then whether they give them the full term or a special election is state by state.
01:09:59.000However, it is an immediate fill of a vacancy that is in the U.S. Constitution.
01:10:04.000However, a House of Representatives member does not get a vacancy filled by a governor appointment.
01:10:09.000So it remains vacant until a special election, which is a very important technical difference.
01:10:13.000So, for example, if Marco Rubio does end up getting Secretary of State, not verified yet, everybody, Governor DeSantis the next morning can say X, Y, Z. So you don't lose the seat.
01:10:54.000Your views are way, way beyond your followers.
01:10:59.000That is the blessing and curse of social media, is that things get put out, and if they're good for you, great.
01:11:07.000If they're bad for you, terrible, because it'll be seen a gazillion more times than even the people who are looking at you, which is something that can be weaponized.
01:11:16.000And, you know, I don't know the answer to it.
01:11:33.000So I have an opinion that the next wave, the American people will not reward a presidential candidate with their vote.
01:11:43.000If they cannot sustain a three-hour uninterrupted podcast like Rogan or this one, I think that is the new standard.
01:11:49.000I think the days that meet the press or sitting down with 60 minutes for a 15-minute interview, I think those days are being sunsetted.
01:11:57.000And I think the new normal is that you have to earn my vote by sitting down with Joe Rogan for three hours, sitting down with PBD. Because here's what long-form podcasting does.
01:13:14.000So, you know, when I was coming up in the financial space, I had such a fear of asking myself, dude, I don't have a finance degree.
01:13:24.000I'm sitting in a class with Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, a guy sitting to my left in my class of Morgan's at Mark Hopkins Hotel San Francisco because 9-11 happened so we couldn't go to World Trade Center.
01:13:34.000They sent us to their office in San Francisco.
01:13:36.000You know what the kid's name was sitting to my left?
01:13:37.000That was a new advisor with Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, Ted Williams III. I'm sitting there like, how the F am I going to compete with your market?
01:13:46.000This guy goes and presents, Hi, I'm Ted Williams III with Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.
01:13:50.000I'd like to talk to you about your defensive strategy when it comes down to your investments.
01:13:54.000Do you have 30 to 45 minutes to spend time with me?
01:14:45.000This is how I feel sometimes people that are in this business of politics for so long that they think so highly of themselves that they're pompous, arrogant, and play this...
01:14:55.000Look at her reaction to how she talks.
01:14:57.000Folks, tell me how likable this personality is.
01:15:07.000I'm tracking everything that's been going on across the country today.
01:15:10.000And my most important encounter was when I went out to get my champagne.
01:15:18.000I was talking to the guy in the store, of course, asking him, did he vote?
01:15:24.000And he said he did early voting, and he asked me if I early voted.
01:15:29.000And he asked me, you know, Why I was getting the champagne and I said because I'm gonna be toasting Madam President tonight and he just looked at me with kind of like a smirk on his face and I said you know she's she's gonna win this right he says oh well it's very very close and I said no it's not says well what do you mean I said no it's not the women of America are making their voices heard reproductive rights is what it all comes down to and the women are voting in
01:15:59.000in numbers relative to men that are unbelievable.
01:16:59.000She probably went to the right school.
01:17:00.000She probably did everything the right way.
01:17:02.000She is so, you know, brainwashed into her thinking.
01:17:06.000Then you got a guy like this, okay, or Joe Rogan, where, you know, some people say, well, listen, like, Even you were complimentary of us earlier, like, you know, political analysts, all this stuff.
01:19:09.000That day, Chris, is when baseball realized the most important stat in baseball isn't home run, not doubles, not RBIs, not stolen bases, not ERA. The most important data on baseball is on-base percentage.
01:19:21.000Do you know what's happened in the last four years?
01:19:23.000The most important stat in politics is common sense, baby.
01:19:31.000I'm just saying, to Charlie's point about what the future of the process is, I think you're going to see a lot more talent, You're going to see a lot more personalities.
01:19:42.000You're going to see a lot more people with ideas enter that space from other spaces, like Patrick, by the way, who will come in with an acumen, and they'll be conducting interviews that will be longer.
01:19:55.000I don't know about three hours, but they'll be longer.
01:19:57.000I struggle to get through watching, let alone participating.
01:20:02.000But I agree with you that it's an absolutely legitimate space.
01:20:06.000I also believe that Joe Rogan, to his credit...
01:20:36.000When I came back, when I got cammed by CNN, my first move was not to go back on TV.
01:20:41.000I frankly thought I wouldn't go back on TV.
01:20:44.000If I didn't believe in what the News Nation guys were doing, I wasn't going to go back.
01:20:48.000Not for the best reasons, but personally, I guess my ego was so damaged by getting canned that I was like, well, what can I do that would restore, what job could I take where I'd feel like I'm back?
01:21:00.000You know, I've done all these jobs already.
01:21:03.000So I went into the podcast because I believe that it was way more organic space and I sensed that people were highly anti-establishment.
01:22:10.000It's because I think, well, you bring me in, but now I'm seeing some of the stuff that's happening that I can at least see the conversation.
01:26:03.000They were talking about what Turning Point and Elon were doing, and we would continually tell the media, like, well, we're actually delivering results.
01:26:10.000We've registered hundreds of tens of thousands of people.
01:26:14.000And the Kamala campaign was running this massive op where a lot of consultants made money where they'd be like, well, we knocked on 18 million doors this weekend or something.
01:26:23.000And I'd say, well, how many ballots did you put in the box?
01:26:27.000How many votes did you actually bank in the early voting period?
01:26:30.000And we were able to disclose all those numbers in real time as they were happening.
01:26:39.000I don't know who, but I can tell you, being around campaigns a lot, a billion dollars spent 90 days and ending up in debt with very, very little to show for it, it's highly unusual.
01:26:49.000And it is the opposite of what happened in 2020.
01:26:52.000And again, the Trump campaign team deserves great credit.
01:28:38.000When they did their debate, my father made a moment with him where he shook his hand and he turned his wrist and he said, wow, that's a nice watch.
01:28:46.000Because he had like this big timepiece on.
01:28:49.000And so it didn't matter how much he was outspent.
01:31:06.000And when I mean I'm going to go on a run, like, you know when you know you're going to work your ass off and nobody else knows, so it's like three years before everyone's going to find out what you're doing behind closed doors, maybe even five years, and we're going to light it up, and we're going to go, and the market's going to know what we're going to do behind closed doors.
01:31:20.000Step number one, identify who's in and who's not.
01:36:52.000Because what's Donald Trump supposed to think?
01:36:54.000You know, he's sitting down there, he's the president-elect, and now he's got to read in the newspaper tonight that the unelected bureaucracy of the federal government is having meetings at some level about how to thwart or countermand the commander-in-chief.
01:37:06.000I don't care if it's at the Pentagon or at the HUD or Ag...
01:37:11.000The unelected bureaucracy of this government answers to the civilian and duly elected leadership that we just did.
01:37:18.000And if you were in his shoes and you just won the popular vote with a clear mandate and now you've got to read that these unelected bureaucrats are plotting against you, What would you think?
01:37:33.000There's a reason to undermine the Constitution.
01:37:36.000If they have ideas or things, they should call the President's office and say, hey, we'd like to have some discussions for planning purposes.
01:38:01.000Part of why I'm camping out here in South Florida for the next month and a half and move my whole family down here is to try to help any way I can.
01:39:28.000My concern is this deep state stripping out thing that's going to cause a huge legal nightmare that I don't want to cover, let alone live through.
01:39:41.000If Donald Trump Does things differently this time just in a way that he enjoys, which is addressing the nation, addressing the media, nation through the media, however he wants to do it.
01:39:54.000This time should be different for him in terms of how he discusses the ideas.
01:41:09.000It happened on Afghanistan withdrawal.
01:41:11.000It happened on a lot of different things where Donald Trump was routinely undercut by the national security apparatus against things he wanted to do.
01:41:49.000And why Donald Trump won is some voters, this wasn't a primary issue, but this was for me, that the whole structure the founders put together is completely in shambles.
01:41:57.000Where the administrative state runs the country, and the president goes and is like a ceremonial ribbon-cutting role.
01:42:03.000He kind of plays president and says hello, and you have this group of like 2,000 people that run the government.
01:42:08.000And that is the death of America if it continues.
01:42:12.000Well, look, what you need to have is you need to have a top down structure.
01:42:38.000Rubio is going to be doing a lot of things that may or may not be exactly how Trump put it, especially if he's smart about how he does his job.
01:42:52.000If you have a problem, then resign and protest and go write a book.
01:42:55.000That was my beef about Kelly, who's become like a hero to the left for all the stuff he said about Trump.
01:43:00.000My point is, and I knew what his argument would be before he made it, but it was, you should have been saying this stuff when you were in there.
01:43:08.000And he says, well, but then they would have kicked me out and I couldn't have saved us.
01:44:57.000How much of it is activating new audience that was going to sit this out to come out and say, oh, hell no, I'm going to come support this guy?
01:45:06.000There's persuasion elections, and then there's turnout elections.
01:45:09.000And turnout elections typically are midterms or they are one off in special elections.
01:45:13.000This is the first presidential election since probably 2016.
01:45:17.000But that was a different issue where it was pure turnout, where there were very because everyone really had their mind made up on Donald Trump largely.
01:45:31.000And Donald Trump's campaign strategy, of which we helped execute on the ground in some of these states, was like, guys, don't spend your time knocking on doors about a suburban soccer mom who's weighing her options.
01:45:42.000Because that takes nine contacts to try to get her.
01:47:16.000And so what the Trump campaign then did, the Republican consultant playbook that Karl Rove basically authored was everything is about high propensity.
01:47:24.000So there's two types of voters, high propensity and low propensity voters.
01:47:27.000A high propensity voter is typically college educated, lives in the suburbs.
01:47:42.000High propensity voters is where the Republican Party has always been focused.
01:47:45.000But Trump came in and he said, no, no, no.
01:47:48.000We're going to focus on low propensity voters, the welder, the electrician, the carpenter, the police officer, or the person that's just not registered to vote.
01:47:57.000Where I thought that Donald Trump was going to win, and I wasn't as confident as anybody else, okay, was when I started to see the voter registration surge across the country.
01:48:03.000In the summer before this last summer, new people that were registering to vote were registering at a clip three to one versus Democrat.
01:48:11.000In Pennsylvania, for the first time ever, we had every county in Pennsylvania, we were out registering Democrats for the first time ever.
01:48:21.000Now, mind you, what Josh Shapiro did as governor of Pennsylvania is he put in a thing called motor voter, which means you automatically get registered to vote.
01:48:28.000They thought that was going to help Democrats.
01:49:03.000So what Donald Trump campaign did is they hacked the 2024 election, not in a way that people would think, where they said, wait a second, everyone has a supercomputer in the right-hand pocket.
01:49:10.000Why are we worried about what CNN is saying or MSNBC is saying?
01:49:16.000They said, why don't we go on the most ambitious, over-the-top, low-propensity voter communication strategy on Theo Vaughn, Joe Rogan, Nelk Boys, Logan Paul, influencer strategies, right?
01:49:28.000So what they said is, there's this whole reservoir, and the final kicker, my mandate at Turning Point was very simple.
01:49:35.000Charlie turned Trump supporters into voters.
01:49:53.000Among the voters asked by NBC, 56% of first-time voters chose the Republican and Over 43% of first-time voters chose Kamala about four years ago.
01:50:04.00064% of first-time voters picked Biden.
01:50:54.000We registered 900 new voters at that event.
01:50:57.000Said differently, 1 out of 15 people that showed up at a Bobby Kennedy event in August before the election in Arizona were not even registered to vote.
01:51:23.000Sorry, Chris, I don't mean to go too far on this, but it's like, if you don't like the composition of the electorate, then change the electorate.
01:58:13.000Senator, quickly before I let you go, I do want to ask you about the Supreme Court.
01:58:17.000Some Democrats behind the scenes, quietly talking about the possibility, should Justice Sotomayor step down to allow President Biden to appoint someone who's younger?