The Charlie Kirk Show - Gaza, DOGE, and... Star Trek?

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody.

00:00:00.000 What is Gaza?

00:00:01.000 Where is Gaza?

00:00:02.000 We dive into President Trump's very newsworthy announcement regarding Gaza and our perspective on that.

00:00:09.000 Then Senator Schmidt from Missouri joins us about Doge, confirmations, and more.

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00:01:27.000 cover today.

00:01:28.000 Front page of the Wall Street Journal.

00:01:30.000 Trump urges U.S. takeover of Gaza.

00:01:34.000 Front page of the New York Times.

00:01:36.000 Trump proposing takeover of Gaza as a U.S. territory.

00:01:41.000 Where is Gaza?

00:01:43.000 Most Americans cannot tell you.

00:01:44.000 So let's first just educate all of you and catch you up to speed on where in the world is Gaza.

00:01:53.000 Well, Gaza is a very interesting piece of the Middle East.

00:01:57.000 History dates back all the way to 15th century BCE. It was an important city in ancient Egypt and even the Philistines.

00:02:06.000 Seems that there's always been conflict around this specific sliver.

00:02:11.000 Let's show the map.

00:02:12.000 Now, when you talk about Israel, Israel is about the side of New Jersey.

00:02:16.000 Israel, as it is in this particular map, is the turquoise on the map.

00:02:23.000 More brown color, as I see it presented, is what would be called the Palestinian Authority.

00:02:28.000 This is a very important point.

00:02:29.000 The Palestinian Authority, what usually here is the West Bank, meaning it's west of the Jordan River, is Judea and Samaria.

00:02:36.000 There you'll have Hebron.

00:02:38.000 There you have Nablus.

00:02:39.000 There you have the major metropolitan centers of the Palestinian Authority.

00:02:43.000 What most people don't understand, though, is that there is a separate area of...

00:02:50.000 Arab-Palestinian authority control, which is not contiguous.

00:02:54.000 It is discontiguous.

00:02:56.000 And that is the Gaza Strip.

00:02:58.000 You can see the Gaza Strip right there, which is positioned near the southwest corner of the state of Israel.

00:03:05.000 The Gaza Strip is gorgeous.

00:03:07.000 It's beautiful.

00:03:08.000 It's right on the Mediterranean.

00:03:10.000 It has rolling hills, vineyards, orchards.

00:03:14.000 It legitimately could be the new...

00:03:18.000 Beirut.

00:03:19.000 Well, when Beirut was actually very nice.

00:03:20.000 It could be a Hong Kong.

00:03:22.000 It could be a Singapore.

00:03:23.000 It could be a beautiful beacon.

00:03:25.000 But there's been a lot of conflict over Gaza throughout the years.

00:03:31.000 So Gaza, we'll just kind of fast forward to more modern time.

00:03:36.000 Of course, we had the creation of the State of Israel in the 1940s.

00:03:41.000 And as the creation of State of Israel happened, there was a lot of conflict of, well, who's actually going to control Gaza?

00:03:47.000 Interestingly, Gaza was under Egyptian control from 1948 to 1967. It was not formally annexed by Egypt, but Palestinian national identity, whatever that is, however you want to explain it, started to take shape.

00:04:05.000 Now, in 1967, there was something called the Six-Day War.

00:04:10.000 Very famous six-day war where Israel captured the Gaza Strip and basically controlled it for the next 40 years.

00:04:21.000 From there, you started to see a lot of people in Gaza that were Arab, Palestinian, Muslim start to get a little bit discontent.

00:04:30.000 There was a lot of resentment.

00:04:31.000 There was something from 1987 to 1993 which was called the First Intifada.

00:04:36.000 It was an uprising against Israeli occupation that began in Gaza, marking a key moment in what they would call the struggle for self-determination.

00:04:47.000 There was also the Oslo Accords that were offered by Bill Clinton Signed in the early 1990s and established the Palestinian Authority and set the framework for Palestinian self-rule.

00:04:59.000 Now understand, the people of Gaza that call themselves Palestinians, they've always wanted to govern themselves.

00:05:04.000 We don't want to be under Israeli rule.

00:05:06.000 We don't want to be under Israeli rule.

00:05:08.000 Now Hamas started to rise up in the late 1980s as a radical Islamic resistance movement.

00:05:15.000 As it started to percolate and manifest, More and more radical, anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish, Jew-hatred rhetoric started to metastasize in the Gaza Strip.

00:05:28.000 Then in 2005, the big decision was made.

00:05:31.000 In 2005, Israel made the decision to unilaterally withdraw from Gaza, dismantling settlements and evacuating military personnel.

00:05:41.000 Basically, Israel said, forget it.

00:05:44.000 We're done.

00:05:44.000 This is too much headache, too much consternation.

00:05:48.000 It's nothing but problems for us.

00:05:50.000 If you guys really want to govern yourselves, have at it Gaza, have at it Hamas, have at it Palestinian Authority.

00:05:59.000 A couple years later in 2007, following violent clashes between Hamas and Fatah, Hamas took complete control of the Gaza Strip, further deepening the political division between Gaza and the West Bank.

00:06:14.000 Now, they've always wanted self-determination, and that's what they got, but they really also wanted more than that.

00:06:20.000 They didn't just want self-determination.

00:06:22.000 They wanted free stuff.

00:06:25.000 They wanted aid.

00:06:28.000 They also wanted Israel not to exist.

00:06:31.000 Now, let me reiterate.

00:06:33.000 Gaza could be a lovely place.

00:06:34.000 The problem is the people who rule it.

00:06:37.000 Israel, in a past time, also captured the entire Sinai.

00:06:41.000 What's notable is they gave back the Sinai.

00:06:43.000 But not Gaza in the peace deal.

00:06:46.000 The whole idea was land for peace.

00:06:48.000 We're going to give you land and we're going to get peace.

00:06:50.000 But land for peace has never worked.

00:06:53.000 Hamas wants to destroy Israel on the most radical elements of Islamic fundamentalism to control the Gaza Strip.

00:07:00.000 Now, as I keep that map up on screen for just one more second, all of the activity on October 7th originated from the Gaza Strip, not from the West Bank.

00:07:11.000 The Gaza Strip Was the launching off point.

00:07:14.000 The Gaza Strip, controlled by Hamas, is where they went to the rave concert.

00:07:20.000 They went into the kibbutzes.

00:07:22.000 They went into the nurseries.

00:07:23.000 They went into the little schools.

00:07:25.000 They went into the synagogues.

00:07:27.000 It was the launching off point in the Gaza Strip, not in the West Bank.

00:07:31.000 So fast forward now to today, where it's a major mess.

00:07:37.000 When Israel has now done their...

00:07:39.000 Response to the horrific, unspeakable mini-holocaust on October 7th, it has all been in the Gaza Strip.

00:07:47.000 It has been focused on the Gaza Strip.

00:07:50.000 And the untold military story, which honestly the media has had a lot to cover the last year and a half, is yes, the IDF has been largely successful, but not nearly as much as they would have liked.

00:08:04.000 And this is a pattern that America experienced in Vietnam.

00:08:07.000 An America experience in Afghanistan.

00:08:10.000 An America experience in Iraq.

00:08:12.000 With a small, determined fighting force in their home neighborhoods and in their homeland can be very difficult to defeat.

00:08:21.000 They get stronger the more you repress them.

00:08:24.000 They get more of a fighting spirit.

00:08:27.000 The snipers and the dodge and duck type strategy on the streets of Gaza have been very difficult for the IDF. To completely eliminate and wipe out Hamas.

00:08:37.000 They've done a pretty good job, but Hamas has yet to be totally and completely defeated.

00:08:42.000 Now, just a reminder, polled in December of 2023, Palestinians in Gaza overwhelmingly support what happened on October 7th.

00:08:53.000 Now, 72% of respondents said they believed Hamas' decision to launch the cross-border rampage in southern Israel was correct.

00:08:59.000 Now, let's be honest.

00:09:00.000 How do you conduct a poll in the midst of a war zone?

00:09:03.000 So let me actually give you a piece of data that is, I think, even more compelling.

00:09:07.000 That the people who did October 7th, the terrible savages, when they returned to Gaza, they were celebrated as heroes.

00:09:18.000 That is more persuasive to me.

00:09:20.000 That there was parties in the streets of the people that returned from the horrific acts on October 7th, and they came to the streets of Gaza.

00:09:29.000 That's more persuasive than some poll that is being done.

00:09:33.000 I mean, they don't even have phones in Gaza.

00:09:34.000 I don't know what they have or they don't have.

00:09:36.000 That is actually a much stronger data point.

00:09:39.000 So this is a big problem for Israel.

00:09:41.000 The question, is this a big problem for the United States?

00:09:43.000 Is this a problem that we want to inherit?

00:09:46.000 Is this a problem that we should have to supervise?

00:09:48.000 Is this a problem that we should have to babysit and nanny because the Egyptians had control of it and they said, no way.

00:09:56.000 Israel had control of it and they said, no way.

00:09:58.000 And it's kind of in this murky middle ground.

00:10:01.000 And those of us that are America first, it is a very serious question of how should we approach The Gaza-Hamas situation.

00:10:09.000 Well, we're going to find out what President Trump means by own Gaza.

00:10:13.000 Does he mean own it like he owns Mar-a-Lago?

00:10:15.000 Or does he mean that we're going to own the activity and be responsible for managing a broker deal?

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00:11:26.000 So President Trump, if I were to infer, I have no first-hand knowledge of this.

00:11:31.000 Of other things I do.

00:11:32.000 Of this, I do not.

00:11:33.000 If I were to infer what led to this clip we're about to play, was obviously his meeting and press conference with Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu, is that there was likely a dialogue that was occurring.

00:11:47.000 Of all the people that don't want to assume control of Gaza.

00:11:51.000 The Egyptians don't want it.

00:11:53.000 The Jordanians don't want it.

00:11:56.000 Israel doesn't want it.

00:11:57.000 And I could see a situation where President Trump says, oh, forget it.

00:12:01.000 We'll just take it over.

00:12:03.000 I could see a moment where President Trump says, you guys are all, you don't want to take control of it.

00:12:08.000 We're going to be the alpha males and we're just going to come in.

00:12:12.000 So let's play this piece of tape here.

00:12:14.000 And it is really shaking the matrix.

00:12:15.000 I have received hundreds of messages about this.

00:12:18.000 People asking, asking.

00:12:19.000 That's what's so nice about having this program.

00:12:21.000 I don't have to respond to text messages.

00:12:23.000 I say, just watch the show.

00:12:24.000 Just watch the show.

00:12:25.000 It's good for ratings.

00:12:27.000 Just watch the show if you want to hear my thoughts.

00:12:29.000 This is one of the moments that shook everything up that led to these headlines.

00:12:34.000 Front page above the fold.

00:12:36.000 Trump urges U.S. takeover of Gaza.

00:12:38.000 Playcut 122. The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it, too.

00:12:45.000 We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous, unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area.

00:13:06.000 Do a real job.

00:13:07.000 Do something different.

00:13:08.000 Just can't go back.

00:13:10.000 If you go back, it's going to end up the same way it has for 100 years.

00:13:14.000 Okay, let's take a step back here.

00:13:16.000 Now, is this the art of the deal?

00:13:17.000 Is this to get more moderate Arab countries to step up?

00:13:20.000 Is this cutting Israel in line?

00:13:23.000 We don't know.

00:13:24.000 But President Trump was reading prepared remarks there.

00:13:27.000 This was not off the cuff.

00:13:28.000 It's very important.

00:13:29.000 This was not President Trump just answering a question from a reporter.

00:13:33.000 He was reading prepared remarks.

00:13:35.000 So it begs that there's some sort of chess game going on here.

00:13:40.000 But let's kind of go through our red lines.

00:13:42.000 Without knowing the exact maneuvers and countermoves that are happening, let's go through some red lines.

00:13:50.000 Number one, under no circumstances are we going to allow refugees from Gaza to come into the United States of America.

00:13:58.000 I can't imagine that is even on the table.

00:14:01.000 I don't think President Trump would allow that, but it needs to be said.

00:14:04.000 It needs to be emphasized.

00:14:06.000 While we're doing the largest deportation effort in American history, which is going very well, we've got Gitmo, El Salvador, we've got planes going all over the place, we're not going to go let in a bunch of Ilhan Omars that are going to be singing Alu Akbar on college campuses burning American flags and waving Palestinian propaganda in the faces of American students.

00:14:25.000 We're not going to put up with that.

00:14:26.000 So the answer is zero.

00:14:28.000 Not going to happen.

00:14:29.000 Zero.

00:14:30.000 And number two.

00:14:31.000 Is that we're not going to have any U.S. troops fighting in Gaza.

00:14:34.000 That would be a detrimental mistake.

00:14:36.000 That would be catastrophic.

00:14:39.000 Now, when President Trump says we're going to own it, does that mean that we're going to own the situation?

00:14:43.000 We're going to diplomatically handhold it?

00:14:44.000 We're going to bring stakeholders together?

00:14:46.000 I'm not sure.

00:14:47.000 But we are not going to have a single U.S. troop.

00:14:50.000 We're going to speak out against that with every fiber RBN. We are not going to get involved in another Iraq, another Afghanistan.

00:14:56.000 By the way, to the best of my knowledge, Israel has never even asked for U.S. troops.

00:15:00.000 All they want is the ability and the green light to be able to wipe out Hamas.

00:15:06.000 But I do think we have to also proceed with some caution here.

00:15:09.000 On this program, we have been outspoken critics of nation-building.

00:15:13.000 I don't think that's what President Trump is talking about here.

00:15:15.000 But I think it's within the same potential topic here.

00:15:22.000 That nation-building is one of the things that we've been most critical of.

00:15:27.000 In Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Libya, in Syria, in Ukraine.

00:15:30.000 This is likely President Trump trying to create more leverage, the same way he did with Canada, same way he did with Colombia, same way he did with Mexico.

00:15:36.000 So I trust Trump 100% to navigate this.

00:15:39.000 He is the master, and in him I trust on this.

00:15:42.000 At the same time, though, we need to make sure that we articulate the principles that built his entire presidency and built the entire movement.

00:15:50.000 The occupation of Gaza is not worth the life of a single Marine from Oklahoma.

00:15:55.000 Period.

00:15:56.000 It's not worth it.

00:15:57.000 That is not America's role to go put our most prized possession, our 18-, 19-, and 20-year-old young men on the front lines to go fight in a region that has been described as sand and death.

00:16:07.000 The IDF can handle that, and we should give them a green light to go finish the job.

00:16:11.000 That I completely support.

00:16:13.000 But limitations on American foreign policy intervention is something that has been widespread approval, and the president believes this.

00:16:22.000 And so...

00:16:23.000 This situation in front of us is probably going to be developing in real time.

00:16:28.000 But the Jordanians and the Egyptians have to step up.

00:16:30.000 If all of a sudden we're going to say, hey, get out of Gaza, well, the Jordanians don't want them.

00:16:36.000 The Egyptians don't want them.

00:16:38.000 But I think this definitely creates a lot of momentum to force Arab neighbors to take Palestinians.

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00:17:46.000 With us is one of my favorite senators.

00:17:50.000 senators.

00:17:51.000 He's doing amazing work.

00:17:52.000 Senator Schmidt from Missouri.

00:17:54.000 Senator, welcome back to the program.

00:17:56.000 Senator, it looks like Trump's going to get his entire cabinet.

00:17:58.000 You've been holding the line, doing great work here.

00:18:00.000 Give us the latest.

00:18:01.000 Yeah, no, I think that's exactly right, Charlie.

00:18:04.000 And, you know, he's got a great team, and you've talked about it, I've talked about it.

00:18:09.000 I think the conference understands, and certainly something that I've been talking about a lot, is this election cycle was the disruptors versus the establishment, right?

00:18:17.000 And he deserves to have a team in place that's going to be real reformers on the inside.

00:18:22.000 And I think, you know, the RFK pick, the Tulsi Gabbard pick, which were, you know, some of the results maybe were in question a little bit earlier in the week in committee.

00:18:30.000 They both came on a committee and I expect them to get confirmed next week.

00:18:34.000 Both of them, Kash Patel, will probably vote on him in judiciary next week.

00:18:38.000 So he'll be a few days behind that.

00:18:41.000 But having said that, I think they're all in really good shape.

00:18:43.000 And I think it's important.

00:18:44.000 I think it's important to honor.

00:18:46.000 You know, the trust that voters gave President Trump to pick his team in this broad coalition now that we have.

00:18:52.000 And I think his cabinet reflects that broad coalition and, you know, one of the main reasons they all need to move forward.

00:18:58.000 And I think they will.

00:18:59.000 One last point on that.

00:19:01.000 We're way ahead.

00:19:02.000 I mean, Senator Thune deserves some credit here.

00:19:04.000 Way ahead of the timetable that we've seen was Joe Biden or President Trump's first term, where 12 confirmed by the end of this week, maybe 13, I think it might end up being.

00:19:14.000 It was at 6. In his first term, Biden had six.

00:19:17.000 So you'd have to go back to the Obama era where we were moving as quickly.

00:19:21.000 So that's a good sign, too.

00:19:22.000 It's a great sign.

00:19:23.000 And that's also just mention that with maximum Democrat opposition, every trick in the parliamentarian handbook.

00:19:32.000 Can you speak about that?

00:19:34.000 You got Senator Schatz from Hawaii who's saying he's going to delay everything over USAID. I mean, it's like every possible trick.

00:19:43.000 How has that made it a little bit more difficult, and how do you navigate such delay tactics by the Democrats?

00:19:50.000 Yeah, normally on these confirmations, like basically you have an executive calendar in the Senate, you have a legislative calendar in the Senate, and you have an impeachment calendar in the Senate.

00:19:59.000 There's only three things that you're doing at any one time, and you've got to switch back and forth, which, you know, takes a little time.

00:20:05.000 But we're staying on the executive calendar.

00:20:08.000 We're staying on these nominees.

00:20:10.000 They can force us to go longer.

00:20:11.000 We can only do one at a time, but we're plowing through it.

00:20:14.000 We've made it clear we're going to be here nights, weekends.

00:20:16.000 We're getting this done.

00:20:17.000 And I think they, as much as they're kicking in.

00:20:19.000 I totally agree.

00:20:41.000 We should relish this.

00:20:43.000 People have been clamoring to rein in government, this administrative state that's out of control.

00:20:47.000 It needs to be dismantled.

00:20:48.000 And now that the permanent Washington really doesn't want people to know how this money gets spent.

00:20:54.000 And USAID is at the top of the list of corrupt organizations that have spent money on DEI programs in Uganda and sex change operations in South America.

00:21:05.000 It's an insult to taxpayers.

00:21:07.000 So this is really shaking up.

00:21:09.000 Sort of business as usual in Washington.

00:21:11.000 They like this stuff in the dark.

00:21:13.000 It's all coming out in the open and under scrutiny, and that's a good thing.

00:21:15.000 And they're mad about it.

00:21:16.000 So, like I said, they can kick and scream about it, but we're going to get this done.

00:21:20.000 Yeah, and again, it is about making government more efficient.

00:21:24.000 And just so everyone understands, from the 2019 to 2020 fiscal year to today, so in about four years of fiscal year, our federal budget has nearly doubled.

00:21:34.000 Nearly doubled.

00:21:35.000 And I just hope everyone understands that, that there was almost a pre-COVID And the post-COVID baseline is so extraordinary.

00:21:42.000 What is our federal budget?

00:21:44.000 It's going to be about $6 trillion-ish, right?

00:21:46.000 If you count this reconciled fiscal year, is that about right?

00:21:49.000 $6 trillion-ish?

00:21:50.000 Yes, and I think that's a great point.

00:21:52.000 And one of the things I try to mention is, pre-COVID, we were spending about $4 trillion, okay?

00:22:01.000 The budget this year will be, like, Biden wanted to spend $7 trillion, okay?

00:22:06.000 Maybe it's going to be $6 trillion.

00:22:08.000 Right?

00:22:08.000 So, pre-COVID, 2019, President Trump's in office, $4 trillion.

00:22:13.000 Our revenues now, Charlie, are $5 trillion.

00:22:15.000 Like, if we were just spending what we were spending a few years ago, we would have a surplus.

00:22:20.000 But the Democrats, they do not want to give any of that money back, so we're going to have a real fight on our hands in this next reconciliation package to sort of rein this in.

00:22:28.000 And, you know, I kind of get tired of saying, well, it's only a couple billion dollars, or the waste is only a few hundred million dollars.

00:22:35.000 Like, I still count my money.

00:22:36.000 And in Missouri, if you were to tell somebody that, that like, oh, it's only a few hundred million dollars or a billion dollars, they'd be pissed.

00:22:44.000 And they should be pissed.

00:22:45.000 So I think any money we save, whether it's a dollar or a trillion dollars, we ought to be focused on it.

00:22:52.000 And I think that for now, that is where the momentum is.

00:22:55.000 And we ought to hold on to that.

00:22:56.000 And we ought to fight that fight with the Democrats every single day.

00:22:59.000 So, I want to dive deeper into the Doge issue, specifically USAID. Your colleagues are losing it over the USAID situation, which is one of the most wasteful, grotesque agencies.

00:23:14.000 It's actually a very good one for President Trump and Elon Musk to focus on out of the gate, because it's all about funding silly pet projects externally and not doing anything internally.

00:23:25.000 Let's play just some of this here.

00:23:27.000 This is...

00:23:28.000 Cut.

00:23:29.000 Let's just actually listen to Caroline Levitt list out some of the waste from USAID. Play Cut 64. Through USAID over the past several years, these are some of the insane priorities that that organization has been spending money on.

00:23:41.000 $1.5 million to advance DEI in Serbia's workplaces.

00:23:47.000 $70,000 for a production of a DEI musical in Ireland.

00:23:51.000 $47,000 for a transgender opera in Colombia.

00:23:55.000 $32,000 for a transgender comic book in Peru.

00:23:59.000 I don't know about you, but as an American taxpayer, I don't want my dollars going towards this crap, and I know the American people don't either, and that's exactly what Elon Musk has been tasked by President Trump to do, to get the fraud, waste, and abuse out of our federal government.

00:24:11.000 Thank you, guys.

00:24:12.000 Senator, this is where our taxpayer dollars are going, and they're mad that Elon and Doge are putting a stop to it.

00:24:20.000 Yeah, that's exactly what's happening.

00:24:22.000 And I think it's also important to put in context here that this is sort of business as usual in permanent Washington.

00:24:29.000 It's also part of this decades-long failed foreign policy establishment that is being forced now to look in the mirror a little bit.

00:24:39.000 It's not working for the American taxpayer.

00:24:42.000 As Secretary Rubio said, the only money that we should be spending anywhere in the world is if it advances U.S. interests, our core U.S. interests.

00:24:51.000 Providing sex change operations and doing this DEI stuff in foreign countries is lunacy.

00:24:57.000 But it's what happens when you have these agencies that are totally unaccountable.

00:25:01.000 They have a pot of money and they get turf and they feel important and they spend the money and then they have...

00:25:07.000 Politicians that get to travel to those places and then they get to feel important when the leaders thank them for that.

00:25:12.000 Like, that's not why I did this.

00:25:14.000 Like, I mean, but that is why a lot of politicians in Washington, you know, they love being greeted at the door and thank you, thank you for all this or whatever that we're spending money on.

00:25:25.000 So anyway, I think the reckoning is coming.

00:25:28.000 And that's a good thing.

00:25:30.000 And this is just the first step.

00:25:31.000 By the way, USAID is top of the list, but it's not the only thing on the list.

00:25:36.000 And I think that, again, this fight is worth having across the board.

00:25:42.000 Dismantling the administrative state will do more to restore the health of this republic than almost anything else we can do because they're totally unaccountable.

00:25:49.000 You can't vote them out.

00:25:50.000 And so this is an important fight.

00:25:53.000 So let's emphasize that for a second, which is we live under the appearance that there are co-equal branches, that the first executive branch, the legislative branch, and the Supreme Court, that there's tension between them.

00:26:08.000 You're speaking about a fourth branch of government that was never authored by the founders, the administrative state.

00:26:14.000 And technically, that should fall under the vested authority of the president in Article 2.

00:26:23.000 They don't believe that.

00:26:25.000 And speak about what we are really barreling towards.

00:26:28.000 We are barreling towards a constitutional crisis, and I think the Supreme Court will rule correctly on this, of who actually runs the bureaucracy.

00:26:39.000 Yeah, and I think, look, COVID was so informative in so many different ways.

00:26:45.000 Power doesn't necessarily corrupt, it reveals.

00:26:49.000 And what COVID revealed was that there is a class of people in this country.

00:26:53.000 Particularly on the left, that really does, you know, the whole trust the experts thing.

00:26:59.000 This is a fight between we the people and the experts.

00:27:02.000 It started with Woodrow Wilson, not to get too historical about this, but like maybe one of the worst presidents, if not the worst president, who believed that the experts knew better than the people.

00:27:09.000 It's really a fundamental distrust of our republic, right?

00:27:13.000 That the people actually get to decide.

00:27:16.000 We have a vertical and horizontal separation of powers, whether it's federalism or the three branches of government.

00:27:23.000 The founders envisioned that to constantly be checking one another so that no one branch, no one person ever got too powerful.

00:27:30.000 Why is that?

00:27:31.000 The fundamental goal was to protect individual liberty.

00:27:34.000 That's the constitutional design that we have.

00:27:37.000 They never envisioned a separate branch apart from that that would have immense power over people's lives and livelihoods.

00:27:45.000 Correct.

00:27:46.000 Correct.

00:27:49.000 But they can send a guidance letter and totally destroy a third-generation business.

00:27:54.000 Or they can have an agency like OSHA that was created to make sure forklifts beep when they back up, force the COVID shot on 100 million people.

00:28:04.000 So this fight really is about, it's the opening salvo about returning power back to where it always belonged, which is with the people.

00:28:11.000 And the Article I branch, the legislative body, should be making these decisions.

00:28:15.000 It's one of the reasons why Mike Lee and I and others are really pushing for the RAINS Act to get done, because if you have an agency that's trying to get a rule done, right, we should have to vote on it.

00:28:26.000 Like, if you think banning gas stoves is such a great idea, make us vote on it.

00:28:31.000 And the truth is, those ideas would never come that far because they know they're ridiculous and never get voted on.

00:28:36.000 But if they did and somebody voted on it or voted against it, you could hold them accountable for it.

00:28:40.000 So this is, I think, a really important fight about...

00:28:43.000 Like, where does power reside?

00:28:46.000 And the permanent Washington and mostly the Democrats, they really don't like that being exposed because it's been a great deal for them.

00:28:52.000 They get other people to do their bidding, and they're never held responsible for it.

00:28:56.000 And this is exactly why they're going to try to do everything they can to stop Russ's vote.

00:29:01.000 Russ's vote is prepared.

00:29:03.000 He's tipping the spirit.

00:29:04.000 He's tipping the spirit.

00:29:06.000 Charlie, they're already language talking about Project 25. The irony is...

00:29:10.000 Their opening and closing argument during the campaign was that Trump was a threat to democracy.

00:29:14.000 He lost that.

00:29:15.000 In the middle of that argument, somewhere along the way, they tried to scare people with Project 25, whatever.

00:29:21.000 But here we go now.

00:29:22.000 They're using similar language, and they're just going to lose.

00:29:25.000 And we have to exercise the power that we have now that we're the majority to right-size government and put power back to where it always belonged.

00:29:33.000 Senator Schmidt, excellent work.

00:29:35.000 Thank you so much.

00:29:36.000 All right.

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00:31:02.000 For those of you that watch Star Trek, in Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan, there is a fictional training exercise called Kobayashi Maru, or Keimaru.

00:31:17.000 In this, it was an exercise designed to test a cadet's character and ability to stay in control under pressure.

00:31:27.000 The potential cadet must decide whether or not To try and rescue the damaged Kobayashi Maru ship or leave it destroyed.

00:31:36.000 If a cadet tries to rescue the ship, they'll face an insurmountable enemy force.

00:31:42.000 The exercise is intended to help cadets learn to deal with the emotional toll of defeat.

00:31:47.000 Now there's only one individual, and of course this fictional story in Star Trek II Wrath of Khan, that was ever able to beat the Kobayashi Maru.

00:31:58.000 And it was Captain James Tiberius Kirk, no relation, who was the only one ever to beat the exercise.

00:32:06.000 And how did he do it?

00:32:07.000 By hacking the simulation.

00:32:11.000 What Elon Musk has done, successfully, via Doge, is he has hacked the Matrix.

00:32:17.000 He won a set-piece battle that was impossible.

00:32:21.000 And the bad guys knew it.

00:32:23.000 So the system had to be completely reprogrammed.

00:32:25.000 To make success possible.

00:32:27.000 Reject the premise and hack the matrix.

00:32:31.000 Front page of Politico.com.

00:32:34.000 Quote, Elon Musk's campaign to cut Washington bureaucracy is aiming at a very specific...

00:32:53.000 Very sensitive digital power center.

00:32:56.000 The federal IT infrastructure.

00:32:59.000 Musk and his allies have gained access to the Treasury Department's payment systems.

00:33:03.000 They've commandeered enough control of OPM to send out a mass email offering to federal employees, unnamed federal officials tell the Washington Post.

00:33:12.000 Anna Lewis, who is the former director of the Technology Transformation Services under GSA, says, quote, Elon's team, they've done their homework.

00:33:21.000 Going where the majority of the volume of government transaction data is very strategic.

00:33:29.000 Elon Musk has rejected the rules.

00:33:32.000 Instead of playing the game of the Kobayashi Maru, he went and changed the rules and hacked the matrix.

00:33:38.000 We're going after the computers.

00:33:41.000 Give us the passwords.

00:33:43.000 What Elon has done is he has consolidated technological control for the president, by the way, as his emissary, as his ambassador, as his representative, as his special government employee, to say, we can now send mass emails to the entire federal government.

00:33:57.000 Did you know prior to Elon Musk showing up and doing this, there was no way to be able to email everyone at.gov?

00:34:03.000 There is no federal directory of all the employees?

00:34:06.000 There is no way to be able...

00:34:08.000 To find out who does what and where the payment systems are?

00:34:11.000 Get me the passwords and you control the federal government.

00:34:15.000 And the rock stars he is bringing in are these young superstars.

00:34:20.000 Here's one of them, Cut91, who's being smeared by the media.

00:34:24.000 Oh, these 19-year-olds.

00:34:26.000 These 19-year-olds are smarter than the entire combined intelligence of the U.S. Senate if you exclude Mike Lee and Rand Paul.

00:34:34.000 And there's a couple other great ones, too.

00:34:36.000 We should be grateful that these young geniuses are giving us a minute of their time.

00:34:40.000 Instead, they're being smeared.

00:34:41.000 They're being attacked.

00:34:43.000 And they better be careful, by the way.

00:34:44.000 This could be, I'm telling you, this could be a Covington Kid situation 2.0.

00:34:48.000 These are not public figures.

00:34:51.000 These are private actors that are being attacked every day by the media.

00:34:54.000 This could be Nick Sandman 2.0.

00:34:57.000 Playcut 91. And one day I was just listening to a podcast back in March.

00:35:02.000 It was with Nat Friedman.

00:35:03.000 He just kind of got on the podcast, explained, like, there are these burnt-up scrolls that were buried in the Pompeii eruption.

00:35:09.000 No one knows how to read them, but some professors have created CT scans of these scrolls, and they uploaded the data on the Internet as a competition to see who could find writing inside of these scrolls.

00:35:20.000 I just went home from work that day at the end of the day, and I've been working on it evenings and weekends ever since.

00:35:25.000 Late one Saturday night, I was sitting at a party at a friend's house in Omaha, and I get a text from another person on the challenge team, and he says, hey, I've just uploaded this new kind of piece of the scroll.

00:35:37.000 You should take a look at it.

00:35:38.000 I remotely accessed my computer.

00:35:40.000 I type into it, like, please run the algorithm on this new piece of scroll.

00:35:44.000 And then I just kind of started.

00:35:45.000 I pull out my phone again, just nonchalantly, like, hey, I wonder how that went.

00:35:48.000 And there are three Greek letters on the screen.

00:35:50.000 Letters I'd never seen before.

00:35:52.000 It was really cool because it's like, oh my goodness, we actually detected new writing in the scrolls using AI. That was the moment I realized this is actually going to work.

00:36:01.000 We're probably going to read the scrolls.

00:36:03.000 That is one of the young men that Elon has brought into the government.

00:36:06.000 High IQ combined with patriotism is a threat to the establishment.

00:36:11.000 The federal government has been synonymous with underachieving lazy mediocrities.

00:36:15.000 But a new team is here.

00:36:18.000 Checkmate Kobayashi Mari.

00:36:20.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:36:21.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:36:24.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - February 05, 2025

Gaza, DOGE, and... Star Trek?

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