In this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, host Charlie Kirk is joined by Jason Whitlock to discuss President Trump's interview with CNN's Kristen Welker. They discuss a variety of topics, including: - NATO's role in the Ukraine crisis - Will the U.S. stay in NATO? - Will we be part of NATO? - Should Mexico pay their fair share of defense costs? - What is the best trade deal between the United States and Mexico?
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00:01:29.000We are going to have Jason Whitlock on the program in just a second, host of Fearless with Jason Whitlock.
00:01:37.000In the meantime, I want to play some pieces of tape here from President Trump's excellent sit-down interview with Meet the Press and Kristen Welker.
00:02:32.000Otherwise, they wouldn't even be fighting.
00:02:33.000They wouldn't have any money to fight.
00:02:36.000If they're paying their bills, and if I think they're treating us fairly, the answer is absolutely, I'd stay with NATO. You understand, even with those preconditions, many in D.C. are very upset with that answer.
00:02:49.000But why would we be part of a membership organization that does not benefit our own country?
00:02:54.000NATO is basically dependent on only two countries, the United States of America and Germany.
00:02:58.000Basically, the entire project hinges on two countries.
00:03:02.000Now, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization has been around in a rules-based international order post-World War II. And the idea of NATO was always to be a check on the Soviet Union.
00:03:32.000Now they want to include Ukraine in NATO. And remember, I believe it's Article 5, Article 4, Article 5, Article 5, which says an attack on one is an attack on all, which means that an errant missile in a NATO country could involve American troops.
00:03:46.000Involved in a conflict all the way in Europe.
00:03:49.000President Trump continued on his America First focused answers.
00:04:08.000Why are we subsidizing these countries?
00:04:10.000If we're going to subsidize them, let them become a state.
00:04:13.000We're subsidizing Mexico, and we're subsidizing Canada, and we're subsidizing many countries all over the world.
00:04:19.000And all I want to do is I want to have a level, fast, but fair playing field.
00:04:25.000And understand, when it comes to how we deal with Mexico and Canada, this is an idea that even Ross Perot ran on in the early 1990s.
00:04:35.000Now, Donald Trump wants trade that has reciprocity.
00:04:39.000When you are not able to import certain products into other countries, and they're able to dump their products, specifically with China, less to an extent of Canada and Mexico, definitionally, You are not able to then have American industry.
00:04:53.000Our country cannot only be real estate and hedge funds.
00:06:05.000And, you know, so I somewhat enjoyed what transpired this weekend in terms of people's, in terms of teams getting into the playoffs or whatever.
00:06:15.000When you're down to debating who's number 12, it's really not much of a debate.
00:06:20.000I think Oregon is the best team, and I think maybe Georgia, maybe Tennessee, maybe Texas are on their level, but Oregon is clearly the best team in college football, and I don't need a playoff to confirm what my eyes have seen.
00:06:39.000Well, you're going to find no disagreement here on this program, as I'm a big Ducks fan.
00:06:43.000My dad, my uncle, my aunt all went to University of Oregon.
00:07:55.000They overlooked an opportunity to get this thing right coming out the gate.
00:07:58.000I do have one more question on the college football thing, because it actually has a legislative and a policy angle.
00:08:04.000There is going to be a very big push this spring.
00:08:07.000Probably Nick Saban will end up being the kind of consensus figurehead to fix NIL. Does it need to be fixed, Jason?
00:08:16.000If so, how can we even think about this or approach this?
00:08:19.000Yeah, it needs to be fixed, but the solutions that I used to talk about 25, 30 years ago no longer apply because I used to want to attach, hey, like, there's a handful of athletes You know, let's say 300 in major college football, 75 or so guys in major college basketball that need to be paid.
00:08:46.000And now we're paying everybody and it's just, you know, it's professional sports now and everybody's the wild, wild west.
00:08:54.000But my solutions used to be attached to making sure that these guys graduated and And paying them at the end of their college careers upon graduation.
00:09:06.000Now, in my mindset now, where I pretty much hate all these universities and colleges, I'm not sure forcing these guys to be educated or indoctrinated at a college is actually the right incentive.
00:09:21.000But yeah, there has to be some sort of salary cap or some sort of Some sort of fairness introduced rather than, was it Larry Ellison and Dave Portnoy that just bought Michigan's next quarterback, Bryce Underwood?
00:09:40.000I'm just not sure if that's a sustainable structure.
00:09:44.000Yeah, and just again, there needs to be something Still authentic and non-commercialized.
00:09:52.000It is so clear what the committee did here.
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00:11:37.000All right, so there is this story that broke late last night.
00:11:42.000Of Jay-Z, who is named in a civil lawsuit by Tony Busby, who's a serious lawyer, who also defended Ken Paxton in his impeachment trial.
00:11:52.000And then Jay-Z issued this crazy statement on X. Usually I don't cover any of this celebrity news, but Jason, look, I make a habit out of intentionally trying to know as little as possible about random celebrities.
00:12:04.000So tell me about this, Jason, and educate me alongside the audience.
00:12:09.000Well, Charlie, this issue is actually very important.
00:12:13.000What has gone on in the music industry and particularly in commercial hip-hop, it's the It's a partner of Epstein Island.
00:12:27.000It's the partner of sexually compromising certain influencers and celebrities and having dirt on them so that you can control them.
00:12:40.000There's no mystery why everybody in the music industry, everybody in Hollywood, all support the same political party and the same ideology.
00:13:49.000This is what's going on and what's being exposed in the music industry and throughout Hollywood speaks to our overall cultural decay.
00:13:58.000It speaks to how do you get a country in the mindset where a political platform is based on the abortion of children?
00:14:09.000How do you get a country in a mindset where that's even a possibility that the number one focus of your political movement is, hey, we've got to be able to kill babies when and whenever we want.
00:14:21.000You do it by bathing the culture in a nihilistic mindset.
00:14:26.000And the music that Jay-Z and Diddy and hip-hop produced, it all promotes, supports, puts people in a nihilistic mindset.
00:14:40.000I think this is the kind of stuff that I hope Cash Patel and anybody else involved in law enforcement, the Department of Justice, we need to be looking into this.
00:14:52.000How did American culture get so rotten that One half of the country thinks killing babies is a constitutional right and the key to their freedom.
00:15:06.000And so Jay-Z has been linked to in a lawsuit where he's accused of participating in the rape of a 13-year-old girl.
00:15:17.000And Jay-Z's put out a statement threatening the lawyer that's helping the young lady with this lawsuit or whatever.
00:15:25.000It does not surprise me that Jay-Z would be linked to this.
00:15:31.000If you listen to his music, if you listen to the visual symbols that he associated with his music and his music videos, this is exactly the type of behavior that he would be involved in and it needs to be exposed.
00:15:48.000And this is a serious lawyer by the name of Tony Busby, who accuses, I mean, just this unspeakable crime in a civil lawsuit, mind you.
00:15:56.000Any other details about a minute, half a minute remaining here, Jason, that are important in this lawsuit?
00:16:02.000I believe Busby is the lawyer that represented Deshaun Watson, Deshaun Watson accusers, the NFL quarterback that had 25, 30 massage therapists come after him.
00:16:17.000And so his reputation is pretty well established in the Houston area.
00:16:38.000Jay-Z has bragged for years about being a drug dealer, and now he wants to talk about how honorable he is and how there was a code where he grew up where we protected kids.
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00:19:11.000Jason, I don't know if we would have saw that five years ago on network TV. Yeah, we would have seen a, hey, I just want to thank God and then keep it moving.
00:19:24.000But I think people now are being far more specific and far more bold in their proclamations.
00:19:34.000And it's a reflection of the time we're living in, Charlie.
00:19:38.000When you have this level of wickedness in the culture, And people are seeing this and like, man, there's a lot of celebrities that seem to be endorsing this.
00:19:50.000There are people that are trying to make it clear.
00:20:09.000For the level of wickedness that's out in the open and people are doing because it's forcing those of us that are believers to stand more boldly and to quit apologizing about our Christian faith.
00:20:23.000We've been closeted And now to see so many people boldly coming out of the closet about their faith and serving Jesus Christ.
00:20:34.000I've got a good friend that's on the coaching staff at Boise State.
00:20:39.000He's one of their defensive coordinators.
00:20:41.000He's told me about the culture that they've established here at Boise State and just how Much they lean into their faith.
00:20:50.000And it's why they've achieved so much.
00:20:53.000It's why Ashton Gentry has achieved so much.
00:20:57.000I think a lot of people in sports, from Harrison Bucker to just a lot of people, are making it crystal clear.
00:21:04.000You're seeing more after-game and pre-game prayers on the field publicly.
00:21:10.000It's like, man, Tim Tebow was ahead of his time.
00:21:13.000If he was right here, if he was here now, he would be celebrated rather than vilified.
00:21:18.000Yeah, and let's try to kind of connect the dots of what happened in the election and then what was happening here with just the more, let's just say, permission for people to say their private opinions and not be intimidated to do so.
00:21:33.000Was the election kind of a societal-wide permission slip that it's okay maybe to hold opinions that otherwise people would find to be, let's just say, verboten?
00:21:47.000The election process, I would say, and the assassination attempt on President Trump was the real permission slip in my mind, because when you saw that, watched that, you know, man, that's a miracle.
00:22:06.000This man turned his head at the exact right time.
00:22:51.000Permission slip and just the energy, the fuel necessary to get men to ante up.
00:22:59.000As I said last year, throughout all of last year, and I can remember I talked about it at Amerifest, It's like, hey men, we have to quit apologizing for being men.
00:23:12.000We have to quit apologizing for our beliefs.
00:23:14.000We have to move past being afraid that we're going to be called an Uncle Tom or we're going to be called a racist or we're going to be called homophobic.
00:23:43.000I didn't know that it would happen this quickly, but it has.
00:23:48.000On top of that, I have a question about, we're seeing some corporations and institutions retreat from diversity, equity, inclusion, and wokeism.
00:24:34.000Robbie's had success in Hollywood, but he's just sitting here in Nashville, Tennessee, going after these corporations, and they're folding instantly.
00:24:42.000And so it's like The Wizard of Oz when you look behind the curtain and find out, well, man, that's a little punk.
00:24:53.000Thank God for Elon Musk buying X or buying Twitter and turning it into X. We have now, and again, that's why I say this election process, because it ended up sweeping up Elon Musk and giving him more courage and giving him the energy or the resolve to make a $44 billion bet on free speech.
00:25:20.000And I'm not even calling Elon Musk a religious or spiritual figure.
00:25:25.000I don't know where he is with his faithful, but I know that God uses people to get things done that he wants done.
00:25:32.000And he's clearly being used, no different than President Trump is being used, to make sure that we have free speech so we can have freedom of religion.
00:25:42.000It's been wonderful to see, again, President Trump, yourself, Robbie Starbuck, Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, all these people stand up and now to see other people falling and to see these corporations falling like dominoes because, you know, we have finally said enough is enough.
00:26:06.000You make a really important point there that I want to emphasize.
00:26:09.000I believe that when Elon Musk purchased Twitter, it was the most significant purchase since the Louisiana Purchase, and it was met with mockery and slander.
00:26:17.000However, if you really think about it, what purchase actually comes close to it?
00:26:20.000Jason, can you help build out that argument and strengthen it?
00:26:24.000If we could look at a place in time, the conservative movement was largely in the wilderness.
00:26:29.000We were really directionless and we were trying to figure out where we're going.
00:26:33.000President Trump, of course, was still a leader of the movement, was under siege and attack and was put in exile in the law fair.
00:26:39.000And then all of a sudden things changed when Elon bought Twitter and changed it.
00:26:49.000Listen, when Donald Trump started talking about fake news, fake news, fake news, fake news, I don't think Donald Trump fully understood what was the foundation of fake news.
00:27:05.000Twitter was where all the lies got confirmed.
00:27:08.000And so if you wanted to write in the Washington Post, go on CNN or MSNBC and say, oh boy, the police, they're just out indiscriminately killing unarmed black men as they help old ladies across the street.
00:27:26.000You would then go to Twitter and see a bunch of tweets saying, yeah, you're right.
00:27:30.000The police are just, they're killing black men every single day that are helping old women across the street.
00:27:36.000And then the newspapers would then quote, well, on Twitter, this lie was confirmed or this lie was said, and it must be the truth.
00:27:45.000And once Elon came in and said, nah, I'm going to take over Twitter.
00:27:52.000I'm going to make these algorithms fair or eliminate these algorithms.
00:27:58.000You could no longer confirm lies on social media.
00:28:04.000And Twitter's not as popular as Facebook or Instagram or probably even TikTok, but I always recognized that it was the most powerful It was because all the media is there, all the influencers are there, everybody that's on TV and involved in that system of control, they're all on Twitter.
00:28:27.000And so if you could get them all saying the same lie, it would be believed and would be accepted as truth.
00:28:35.000And so, you know, you used to be able to go on Twitter and just say, well, that person over there with batting balls is a woman.
00:28:43.000And people on Twitter were confirming, yeah, you're right.
00:28:52.000And if a man with XY and bat and balls says he's a woman, yes, we must all go along with his cosplay.
00:29:00.000We must all confirm his mental illness.
00:29:03.000And so there's been virtually nothing happening.
00:29:07.000As transformative as Mr. Musk purchasing Twitter, turning it into X, making it more fair and a place where truth and a true public debate can be had.
00:29:23.000Yes, it's Elon Musk and Donald Trump branding it as fake news and Elon Musk getting swept up in Trump.
00:29:33.000Trump's story and purchasing Twitter, it's saved America.
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00:31:07.000Why did this happen and do you see it continuing?
00:31:11.000Well, it happened because Anytime you deny people masculinity, you make it scarce, you make it more valuable, you make it more attractive.
00:31:24.000And so I think many men have come into the understanding that we're in a battle of dominion and leadership and, like, Who's going to actually lead?
00:31:41.000Are we going to give in to the matriarchy or are we going to continue the patriarchy?
00:31:47.000And I think many men have come into the understanding that we have nothing to apologize for as men.
00:32:44.000Technology has fooled everybody into believing that women can do what Men have done.
00:32:51.000And so now that we all have DoorDash and no one actually has to go out and hunt if they don't want to, we've convinced ourselves that, you know what, man, if things have been right, Women would have invented air flight.
00:33:08.000It would have been the right sisters, not the right brothers.
00:33:14.000Men, by nature, value freedom more than safety.
00:33:20.000Women, by nature, value safety more than freedom.
00:33:24.000We have a country that's built on freedom, and it's going to take men to protect that.
00:33:31.000And so I just think people have come into a full understanding of how we got here, that we keep softening things and leaning more into feelings.
00:33:43.000Well, if you feel like a woman, I'm going to have to ignore your batting balls That's something that only a feminized culture would buy into, that, you know, feelings control everything.
00:33:58.000At some point, data, logic, Truth, facts.
00:34:04.000And again, this isn't me taking a dump on women because, you know, love to death, can't live without them.
00:34:11.000They play a super, super valuable role in society, but they are a bit more controlled by their feelings than men, and that's harmful to a culture.
00:34:24.000And so when you sit there and say, well...
00:34:28.000If all these illegal immigrants want to come through the border, you know, I can...
00:34:35.000Well, as a man, I'm like, no, man, we got to draw a line in the sand.
00:35:42.000And I do think the trend will continue as long as we don't get too intoxicated with our victory on November 5th and actually continue to do the work.