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00:00:32.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
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00:01:21.000And I just want to ask, do you feel proud of yourself for debating college kids who are unprepared to speak in front of an audience like yourself?
00:03:10.000Again, I think this open dialogue is great.
00:03:12.000I think it's great you're here challenging Charlie, and I think it's great that he's willing to travel campuses across this country to talk to the next generation.
00:03:21.000Now, where's the disagreement, though, on content?
00:03:22.000Because you could criticize style or why you're talking to people or dunk on someone personally, but where do you actually disagree with the substance?
00:03:28.000I agree with the way that you edit content and specifically frame it so that people look bad talking to you.
00:04:38.000My view is that if you're a fully grown adult, 18 or above, you're free to live how you want, dress how you want, marry who you want, if you want, if you're over the age of 18. I agree.
00:04:50.000But you are not free to indoctrinate children in schools who are not yet of the age of consent.
00:04:55.000You are not free, just as a 17-year-old or a 15-year-old can't get a tattoo on their own, I don't think that you should undergo genital mutilation or chemical castration until the age of 18. And so the lines that I draw here is that men are free to claim to be women and swim in swimming pools.
00:05:13.000You're not free to claim trophies in a women's sports competition.
00:05:17.000You're not free to enter a women's locker room.
00:06:45.000We'll end on this and we'll go to the next question.
00:06:48.000When I was 18, and I'm not going to blame you for this, I also took for granted a lot of the stuff that the media force fed me, because that's what you know at the age of 18. You say there are some vague laws making their way through Congress that are hostile to trans communities.
00:06:59.000I don't think those laws actually exist, but I don't blame you if that's what the cable media is feeding you.
00:07:05.000But let's get to the specifics, and then we're able to actually have an open dialogue, and that's one of the things I've learned over the last 20 years.
00:07:11.000I think that the issue is we're getting our media from different sources.
00:07:14.000Both people are getting media from these skewed sources.
00:07:19.000The facts that you're presenting are not always correct.
00:07:22.000And that's why we're here with no TV screens between us.
00:07:25.000So people who have policy-based substantive disagreements, we invite those.
00:07:29.000I think that's how we're going to get our country back.
00:07:30.000And as it relates to trans, which you brought up, 18 or above, you're free to live how you want.
00:07:35.000You're not free to force that onto somebody else or especially kids.
00:07:37.000And if we agree on that, we make some progress.
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00:08:52.000I just want to understand it because I know one of your most recent claims in your book, Truths, I know one of your claims is the climate change agenda is a hoax.
00:09:03.000And I know that you differentiate between climate change politically and climate change in reality outside of politics.
00:09:11.000But what's your argument for that statement?
00:09:39.000And in fact, and here's the controversial but factual part, is there evidence to suggest that could even have positive effects for humanity?
00:09:55.000We're worried about a small increase in global surface temperatures when more people die of cold temperatures.
00:09:59.000The Earth is more covered by green surface area today than it was a century ago because carbon dioxide is plant food and they tend to grow in slightly warmer temperatures, which means the greatest carbon sink, what removes carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, is actually trees, the very thing that carbon dioxide helps create more of.
00:10:18.000Now you go back to actually the 1970s.
00:10:20.000There were climate scientists in the 1970s.
00:10:22.000The climate change movement called on us to stop burning fossil fuels in the 70s because they wanted to avoid an ice age.
00:11:08.0000.04% is the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
00:11:13.000And it used to be higher back when we had global ice ages.
00:11:17.000So the idea that this is actually causing global warming, let alone the idea that even global warming is necessarily a bad thing for humanity, is entirely unproven.
00:11:25.000So against that backdrop, changing our way of life, stop using combustion engine vehicles or our gas stoves, stop denying energy abundance to Americans and people around the world, No, I'm against that agenda, and I think it is the single greatest threat to economic prosperity in this country, and that's why I'm not going to stop fighting on this battle to overcome what I do believe is this mythology, this religion, this cult that has very little to do with science in the name of science.
00:12:46.000And so the governor of Pennsylvania was a much better, much better candidate than Tim Walz.
00:12:52.000The only reason he was not selected is because he's Jewish.
00:12:56.000And Harris Shapiro would have been far more competitive than what we see right now.
00:13:01.000And so I hope as you're a first-time voter and you're looking at who to vote for, you look at a candidate that aligns with your values, stands with our ally in the Middle East, which is President Donald Trump.
00:13:19.000And I think that people who are Jewish have an inherent understanding of the importance of Israel outside of politics.
00:13:24.000But in an American context, the reason everything Charlie said is true is because it's in our own best interest as the United States to ensure that we're able to provide appropriate balance to look after our own interests.
00:13:35.000Here's one thing I would say, though, is that I actually stand for...
00:14:19.000What's going to be done about just more of the hate crimes just done against the Jewish people?
00:14:25.000Because I feel like I've seen a lot of that.
00:14:27.000Well, I think I'll just tie this to a question from a woman who appeared to be maybe more left-leaning before, where I agree with her, too.
00:14:32.000We need to fight all crime in this country, period, by restoring law and order and allow police to actually do their jobs, especially at the local level.
00:14:39.000So what's happening in the country right now is the federal police state is overreaching and prosecuting crimes that aren't actually crimes, making up the law as they go along and going after their political opponents, while at the same time local police are actually unable to even do their job to keep people safe in their communities.
00:15:39.000And that's actually what I care about are our pro-American values.
00:15:43.000Where do I derive my values as a political leader in the country?
00:15:46.000It starts with the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.
00:15:49.000I believe the people we elect to run the government, even if they're the ones I disagree with, the people we elect to run the government should be the ones who run the government, not the unelected bureaucrats who put up puppets as their U.S. president.
00:16:28.000The Republican Party actually was the party that stood against slavery back when Abraham Lincoln was president, and it's a party that stands against enslavement today.
00:16:35.000But if that ever changes in the future, then I'm out of the Republican Party.
00:16:40.000And the reason I vote and stand for election as a Republican is because right now that is the pro-American party in America.
00:16:45.000Yeah, and I'm a conservative and vote Republican because I think the founders got it right.
00:16:50.000I think the founders understood human nature.
00:16:52.000I think that they understood the form of government and they understood that people are best served when liberty is recognized as given by a divine.
00:17:02.000A divine source, not as a government source.
00:17:07.000That three branches of checks and balances and consents of the governed is the correct way of governing a country.
00:17:13.000The conservative movement understands and appreciates our roots going back to 1776 and trying to ask the question, are we leaning into the founders' vision in this country?
00:17:26.000And so those are the values that I hinge upon.
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00:20:11.000I'm a pretty committed leftist Catholic.
00:20:13.000But I am curious, like, what do you, or I guess conservatives generally, like, stand to conserve whenever you shift left every single time the Overton window shifts?
00:20:22.000Like, on certain, like, topics, like, I guess, Like, integration, LGBTQ plus rights movement, immigration as well.
00:20:30.000Like, it seems like, I guess, ideological state apparatuses have...
00:20:35.000Like, obviously, we think slavery is wrong, right?
00:20:39.000But it's also 150 years of state-sponsored education creating that sort of thing, in the same way that we have, I guess, 50 years of integration being promoted and things like that, which I'm not against at all, right?
00:20:49.000I think these are very good things, but it seems like things that previously were tried to conserve or conservative movements in the past have always failed to actually conserve specific social issues like that.
00:21:00.000Did you say you were a leftist Catholic?
00:21:11.000Yeah, like sort of an American Solidarity Party kind of.
00:21:15.000Okay, yeah, but not like liberation theology.
00:21:17.000I can get down with it a little bit, but not terribly so, yeah.
00:21:21.000Like Oscar Romero is a saint, I would say.
00:21:22.000So, what you're trying to pinpoint is a little bit of a logical fallacy, is you're saying that, okay, that slavery is bad, segregation is bad, but there's other things that are worthy of conserving, like the family.
00:22:10.000So from a political context, you're eight times more likely to graduate from high school.
00:22:14.000You're ten times more likely to end up in prison if you grew up in a single-parent household rather than a dual-parent household.
00:22:20.000You're more likely to end up in poverty if you grew up in a single-parent household.
00:22:24.000So I actually believe the nuclear family has been the single greatest building block of not only the United States of America, This is actually true for societies across time, even dating back to Aristotle, believing that the polity was built only around a strong household unit.
00:23:23.000Nuclear embedded in multigenerational?
00:23:25.000Well, I guess my original question was like, because also, since you also agree that the nuclear family is a degradation for the multigenerational, at least in some ways, yeah, obviously.
00:23:34.000But like, what have conservatives conserved on social issues?
00:23:38.000Like, I mean, 20, 30 years ago, a presidential candidate couldn't have said gay marriage was okay.
00:25:06.000Charlie and I haven't talked about this, but I'll tell you where I am.
00:25:08.000I actually gave speeches about this last year, which is that what happens when the thing that you seek to conserve no longer actually exists?
00:25:16.000I actually think the conservative movement right now needs to recreate, actually.
00:25:21.000I think we have lost those founding ideals, so we're not in the mode of just defending a thing.
00:25:38.000Different people are wired in different ways and generally it tends to be like liberal progressive people who have the more sort of creative nature versus a conservative nature is much more of a conservative pattern of thinking and conserving.
00:25:50.000Right now the paradox for the conservative movement is I think we actually need leaders in the conservative movement who have that creative creator mindset because the thing we've sought to conserve In so many ways actually ceases to exist.
00:26:54.000People murder or do not murder, whether or not they believe it is right or wrong, not whether or not you're driving a Cadillac or a bicycle.
00:28:13.000So recently I was on YouTube and I saw one of your viral videos and pretty much you were talking and interviewing a college student like the rest of us and she was pretty much like arguing it was on the topic of abortion and you made the claim that if a young woman like not even a young woman like a child and she made the example if it was your daughter for example Like four, maybe ten years old.
00:28:37.000You know, we literally just had this discussion.
00:28:43.000I just want, and you already obviously, like, know your sad and mindset on that.
00:28:47.000Just to better educate myself and everybody here, I want to know, why would you think that if a ten-year-old were, something horrible were to happen and they were to get impregnated, that they would not be allowed to get an abortion?
00:28:58.000Okay, so first of all, let's just acknowledge that is an incredibly rare case and a disgusting thing.
00:29:33.000And so just so you understand, I have to take a principled view on this because I don't get to pick and choose which life get human rights.
00:29:40.000Acknowledging this is an incredibly difficult scenario that involves potentially my daughter, hyper-emotional, right?
00:29:49.000And I thought I tried to keep an even keel on it.
00:29:51.000But to be consistent, you don't get to just murder life.
00:29:56.000Because it's a situation that is disgusting and evil.
00:30:00.000Secondly, when in life is it okay to do something evil after something evil happens?
00:30:51.000No matter what the law is, you cannot claw back.
00:30:53.000For example, if all of a sudden the government says you can't have a public assembly like this and that is effective tomorrow, they can't go back today and put us all in prison, right?
00:31:53.000First of all, she's not doing the act.
00:31:55.000Many times she's being forced into that situation by someone paying for that abortion, such as someone that she might have had a relationship with, or even terrible pimps also do it as well.
00:32:07.000But we're not going to agree, because I think our posture on abortion should be compassion for the women that have abortions and get abortions, and justice for the industry that lies to them.
00:32:22.000I do not agree with a lot of politically what any of you have to say, but I'm a part of Bridge Pittsburgh, which is an organization that believes in having civil discussion without yelling at each other.
00:32:32.000So I actually have some friends from Turning Point back there, even though I am a registered Democrat.
00:32:41.000Second, As a person of color and as someone of Indian descent, does it offend you whenever there's comments made about Kamala and some racial sensitivities on that?
00:32:52.000Does that offend you in any way or hurt you or does that drive you to still try to be representative of your party even when those comments are made by your party?
00:33:19.000I can tell the difference between somebody who has an earnest joke, and the person who actually happens to say that, I happen to know, doesn't have ill will towards Indian people.
00:33:26.000But if you're going to joke, my only rule is you better apply 360 degrees, okay?
00:33:31.000Here's actually my view on this, is a lot of Indian Americans across the country actually have been somewhat disappointed for a long time about Kamala Harris' willingness to engage with and listen to a lot of the concerns even of the Indian American community.
00:33:44.000I'll tell you what one of them are, is relating to merit.
00:34:30.000I think we've seen it as a reactionary response to the anti-racist movement for the last 10 years because there's no better way to foster racial animus than to take something else away from someone based on their skin color.
00:34:44.000So when you say you don't get that federal aid or you don't get that seat in college or you don't get that job because of your skin color, you're going to have a negative attitude towards the person who was favored because of their race.
00:34:55.000And this is what's going on in Springfield, too, by the way, when I'm visiting tomorrow.
00:34:58.000In a certain sense, if you're going to put 20,000 people who are not going to be able to integrate into a community into that community, I sympathize with people who are suffering as a consequence of that.
00:35:09.000That's necessarily going to spawn a reactionary response.
00:35:12.000I did agree with you on that when you said that earlier.
00:35:14.000But then you can't blame the reactionary response and say they're responsible for the division.
00:35:17.000I think it's a lot of those policies that created that division in the first place.
00:35:22.000And bluntly, I do put a lot of that at the feet of Kamala Harris and the movement that she represents.