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00:01:45.000What is the Trump Effect in 2016 and is it happening again?
00:01:48.000The Trump Effect had the effect of it was that just his campaign rhetoric during 2015-2016 caused illegal immigrants to stay home and shelter in place because he was saying crackdown, crack down, big, beautiful border wall, etc.
00:02:09.000The numbers dropped by 80% almost overnight.
00:02:14.000And then once he got into office, it really stayed down.
00:02:18.000But I think that the rhetoric connection to illegal immigrant decision-making is still very strong in that we are probably in the middle of a second Trump effect right now.
00:02:33.000We are not seeing the mad rushes that we thought we were going to see before, mainly because you got Tom Homan out there now with a football stadium-sized bullhorn screaming to the world, we're going to deport all of you, we're deporting everybody, get ready, don't get comfortable, that sort of thing.
00:02:54.000And that has a very powerful effect on the receivers, on the receiving end.
00:03:01.000And so I'm hoping that we are going to see this decline and that the end of the mass migration crisis of the last four years is almost here.
00:03:14.000So that's a really important question, Todd, before we proceed.
00:03:17.000Some people say, oh, that's just rhetoric.
00:03:19.000Can you give us more detail on how that resonates with an illegal who is illegally domiciling and harboring themselves in America?
00:03:27.000Those statements, they spread like shockwaves throughout those communities.
00:03:32.000Is that a fair assessment, Todd Benzman?
00:03:39.000But what we saw, and I point out in the Daily Wire piece today in 2017, that the numbers started to creep back up because they're watching for follow through.
00:03:52.000They need to see actions behind the rhetoric.
00:03:56.000They need to see people actually blocked and actually deported.
00:04:00.000And they're watching on their cell phones.
00:04:02.000I've never met a migrant that didn't have a cell phone fully connected to the internet and social media and everything else.
00:04:08.000In 2017, Immigrant advocate, open borders people gummed up all of Trump's policies immediately with litigation.
00:04:20.000So he was unable to implement for many months.
00:04:25.000It took a long time before he won those cases.
00:04:28.000And so they started to creep back in because they saw that the action was not matching rhetoric.
00:04:35.000The thing to watch for in Trump Effect 2.0 is that very thing.
00:04:42.000We saw a piece in the New York Times just last week about how battalions of immigration lawyers in the United States are already mustered to mount a massive legal challenge to every single thing Trump does.
00:04:59.000So the big question is whether Trump will be able to implement around that.
00:05:06.000And I think there's a good chance that he will this time because many of the policies that he's going to put in place are already legally vetted, like remain in Mexico, safe third country, title 212F.
00:05:21.000There are things that he can do right away that should act as follow through.
00:05:29.000So if they start getting people deported right away, they will be showing up on airport tarmacs in Honduras and whatnot and making news in Spanish language media.
00:05:43.000And that's really what does the trick.
00:05:45.000I think that we're very close to being able to call the great mass migration crisis of 2021 to 2025 over.
00:06:17.000I think that to a limited extent, that might work for some of them.
00:06:21.000People who are promised, look, we'll let you get in line through the legal process if you go voluntarily, but if we have to come and get you, you'll be banned for 10 years or longer from any possibility of coming in legally.
00:06:38.000So there is some merit to the argument.
00:06:42.000I don't think it's going to be a large scale, but I think it'll help.
00:06:46.000So it's just amazing to me how overnight it's like flipping a switch.
00:06:51.000We went from America is a pile of money to loot and you could just come in.
00:06:56.000So all of a sudden, oh no, actually we're a country.
00:07:22.000This has always been a very simple calculus.
00:07:26.000When immigrants think that they're going to get in and stay in and work, they're going to drop the 10 grand on smugglers to get in.
00:07:35.000But if there's a pretty good chance that they're going to get pushed back and blocked, they're not going to do it.
00:07:41.000So when the Biden campaign, and I mean the campaign, was talking about we're going to let everybody in, we're going to give them this, raise your hand for free healthcare and decriminalizing illegal entry and everything, they all heard that and came running.
00:07:58.000All they needed to hear was, we're shutting it down.
00:08:02.000You have Tom Holman out there talking up a storm about what he's going to do, and I'm telling you, that is incredibly impactful all by itself.
00:08:15.000He's going to have to follow through, of course.
00:08:19.000And I think that they will, to a large extent, be able to follow through enough.
00:09:55.000That was a policy that's also legally vetted where you're not allowed to apply for asylum here if you've passed through one other safe country to get here.
00:10:05.000And there's a lot of them that do that.
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00:11:58.000Okay, I want to play some of our voicemails here.
00:12:02.000So we've been a little behind on our members group, members.charliekirk.com.
00:12:06.000You guys can send us voicemails once we get back to regular established order here on The Charlie Kirk Show, which I don't know when that will be, Andrew, based on what's happening here.
00:13:01.000If you're going to be signing search warrants and arrest warrants that needs to go through every established order or else people will not have trust in the justice system.
00:13:35.000Unlike the Senate leadership election, when you guys were able to go hide in your little corner in the shadows and we don't know who voted for Thune and who voted for Cornyn, we know exactly who will vote for Matt Gaetz.
00:13:46.000So when a president has a mandate, which is very rare, you get a couple of gimmies.
00:13:52.000You get a couple little mulligans, if you will, where you kind of get whatever you want.
00:13:56.000And the question is, how bad does President Trump want this?
00:13:59.000And by all indications, both public and private, President Trump has earned this and he really wants it.
00:14:05.000So if he goes to the mat for Matt Gaetz, I would give probability towards Matt Gaetz's confirmation.
00:14:11.000Play voicemail 422 from one of our members, members.charliekirk.com.
00:14:19.000And I'm wondering how Trump feels about CBDC. Central bank and digital currency, especially with Elon Musk coming on board to be a part of his administration and if he supports it or if he is against it and what that looks like for our future financial industry.
00:14:47.000I believe he made a campaign promise to eliminate CBDC. But every campaign promise he's made so far, as far as personnel, has been executed upon.
00:14:57.000So I believe CBDC will not happen under a Trump administration.
00:15:42.000We need someone up there that can kick some...
00:15:46.000Well, first of all, love the question.
00:15:48.000I am not going to be White House Press Secretary.
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00:18:48.000Well, I don't think it's a sure thing, but I think people are being too caught up in the way most of the media covers confirmation controversies, which is what I call perils of Pauline, which is like everything's operating out of control and there's all these issues and the person's never going to be confirmed.
00:19:07.000I think that President Trump won and the Republican Party recognizes the magnitude of the victory demographically, geographically, electorally.
00:19:17.000And I think it's going to be difficult for four senators, which is what it would take for Republicans, to vote against these nominees.
00:19:25.000There are five of them now that are controversial, that want to shake things up, that have biographical and positions from biographical facts and positions from their past that make them not every senator's favorite choice.
00:19:38.000But the Trump campaign, the Trump transition rather, has not started to organize MAGA, pressure on these senators, has not started to make the case for them.
00:19:47.000And I think the media narrative leaves out the fact that Bobby Kennedy was chosen for this job because he's inspiring tens of millions of people about...
00:19:58.000That Pete Hegseth was chosen for the job because he's spoken passionately about getting wokeism out of the Pentagon.
00:20:07.000That Tulsi Gabbard was chosen for the job because she's talked about the intelligence community working in a more efficient way.
00:20:15.000And that Matt Gaetz was chosen for the job.
00:20:20.000Because people want an end to the politicization of the Justice Department.
00:20:23.000I'm not saying they're perfect people.
00:20:25.000I'm not saying there are legitimate questions about their background.
00:20:28.000But I think people are underestimating the extent to which MAGA will fight for these people and that Republican senators, not every one of them, will respond to that.
00:20:39.000And it's a unique thing because the senators that very well might hold this up are from very, very red states, of which they...
00:20:48.000It's overwhelmingly pro-Trump, where there are real threats of primary challenges, of which some of these old bulls in their mid-80s have not experienced this sort of combination of a mandate election.
00:21:05.000You have very popular, albeit unusual, cabinet picks.
00:21:11.000How will the old bulls be able to get through that?
00:21:16.000Well, look, there's the dynamic you and I have just talked about, which is the threat of a primary challenge or pressure at home.
00:21:22.000But there's another more kind of mundane thing, which is right now every Republican senator has staff members, donors, constituents, and maybe even some family members who'd like to work in the Trump administration.
00:21:37.000And if they want to have their folks eligible for jobs, I don't think they're going to be in that line anymore if they're the ones who tank any of Donald Trump's nominees.
00:21:48.000So there's a lot of pressure on them to support.
00:21:51.000And also just deference, not just an elected president who just won the popular vote, first Republican to do that in 20 years, but For this particular president who dominates the party, unlike any other Republican president since Reagan, and maybe even more than Reagan did.
00:22:08.000So they're going to be under a lot of pressure.
00:22:10.000Now, there are two Republican senators of the 53, Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, who are impervious to most of what we just discussed.
00:22:21.000And I wouldn't be surprised if they voted against all five of the controversial nominees.
00:22:26.000But that means they still need to be tuned to more.
00:22:28.000Now, Mitch McConnell, we know Mitch McConnell not particularly beholden to MAGA. He could vote against them.
00:22:36.000They'd still need one more, but you can imagine that happening.
00:22:39.000So again, I'm not saying it's just a sure thing.
00:22:41.000But what I'm saying is the tone of the coverage leaves out two important things.
00:22:45.000why they were picked, the positives of why they were picked, and the prospect that they will in fact be confirmed.
00:22:51.000But I have to caveat this, Charlie, by saying I have extraordinarily good pro-Trump sources on Capitol Hill, around Mar-a-Lago, who are very pessimistic about Gates and about Kennedy in particular.
00:23:43.000He's picked five, and I think there'll be more.
00:23:46.000Well, look, what it looks like is you pick someone who's called a confirmation sherpa, someone with experience on Capitol Hill who develops a strategy.
00:23:55.000Which senators' votes are going to make a difference?
00:24:04.000To lobby them, to vote for the nominee.
00:24:08.000This president is different than most presidents in a lot of ways, but in this respect, if there was a story that came out tomorrow that said nominee X had once been sued by a business partner or had a messy divorce from his wife, there's some presidents who'd be like, whoa, I'm not sure we can stand by this person anymore.
00:24:29.000Donald Trump, as you know, he doesn't have that attitude.
00:24:33.000He'd be like, you know, it's probably fake.
00:24:47.000Donald Trump expects, we saw this with Brett Kavanaugh, he expects his nominees who are under siege, whether it's within their own party or with the press or the other party, he expects them to fight pretty hard.
00:24:57.000And I think the group he's picked are a bunch of fighters.
00:25:00.000I think all five of them are not going to shrink away.
00:25:23.000Every one of these folks is going to go through.
00:25:25.000As much as all five of them have played at a high level in national life, whether it's media or politics or law or something else, All five of them are almost certainly going to go through, before the hearing, a tougher level of scrutiny than they've ever gotten.
00:26:14.000It's been Three's Company meets Game of Thrones.
00:26:17.000Just everything's sprawled all over the place and people are named and other people who are supposed to be in charge don't even know it's happening.
00:27:16.000And all of a sudden, next thing you know, A lot of other announcements.
00:27:20.000No one's talking about Pete Hegseth right now as much.
00:27:22.000So Mark, I want to now shift gears to talk a little about the state of the Democrat Party.
00:27:29.000We have about a minute and a half here to tease it out.
00:27:32.000I've been anticipating this kind of major shockwave and backlash, but there's a fascinating piece on Politico, which is basically the disappearing resistance.
00:27:45.000Well, I think for now, and you hear that on my two-way platform, what Democrats are saying is they're so filled with unhappiness, anger, confusion, that rather than organizing marches or joining new organizations or watching MSNBC or CNN, they want to take a break.
00:28:04.000I think you may see that through the holidays.
00:28:06.000I think in January, when the reality of Donald Trump taking the oath of office and being back in the White House, then I think you're going to see more engagement, more organizing.
00:28:14.000But right now, there is an interesting level of disengagement.
00:28:27.000They are resigned to what America decided, and they're trying to figure out how they feel about accepting the result.
00:28:35.000Yeah, it's just a fatigued movement, understandably, by the way.
00:28:38.000They've been in full non-stop resistance mode through COVID, post-COVID, trying to stop Trump.
00:28:44.000And they lost, and they know they lost.
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00:29:57.000It contrasts with Hillary Clinton's loss in 2016, where right away after I talked about the scientists marching, but there's a huge women's march.
00:30:13.000Much more, right, the pink hats, much more overt kind of let's get in the streets and protests.
00:30:21.000It seems, you know, like people have been on the...
00:30:25.000on the left and Democrats have been hit by a sledgehammer.
00:30:30.000And I think what they're having a lot of trouble kind of dealing with is that the election showed that the country has moved to the right, which was not It's kind of going into election night where everyone was saying it was razor close was not the expectation.
00:30:53.000And, you know, they're kind of in mourning over that.
00:30:57.000Mark, that's from your wonderful dialogue.
00:31:01.000Well, that's Jill Abramson, former editor of the New York Times, who has a pretty good feel for that community.
00:31:08.000And I think it's a weird combination of shock and acceptance.
00:31:17.000And as you said, it's hard to be in the resistance for 10 years.
00:31:21.000And even as Joe Biden had a four-year presidency, Donald Trump was dominating a lot of American discussion, dialogue, popular culture, popular consciousness.
00:31:31.000And so I think there's so much second guessing on the level of kind of tactics of campaigns like Joe Biden staying in too long or was Kamala Harris the right person or did she run a good campaign?
00:31:44.000But what some Democrats are realizing is the problem they have is more profound.
00:32:13.000We had a guy on 2A this morning, earlier today, who is a young doctor who voted for Barack Obama.
00:32:19.000He lives in Tennessee, who voted for Bobby Kennedy.
00:32:22.000and he talked about his alienation from the Democratic Party as inauthentic, as rigging the system against people like Bernie Sanders and Bobby Kennedy.
00:32:33.000His description of his alienation from the party is a big part of why I think the Democrats are confused.
00:33:07.000Most of what they believe is that the party needs to do what Bill Clinton did in 1989 to 92, which is to stand up to the far left of the party and say, we honor your participation in the party.
00:33:22.000We don't want to be at war with you, but you've dragged us too far to the left to come up with some new policy ideas that speak to people, particularly in economics.
00:33:31.000And then most of them would say a governor, not a Washington person, but a governor who understands how to communicate with authentic language.
00:33:41.000And it's true that all it would take would be to have a compelling, dynamic, more moderate figure, be the presidential nominee and win the White House in 2028 to bring the party back pretty quickly.
00:33:56.000Now, I don't see who that person is, and that's a big ingredient.
00:33:59.000But they're hopeful that they can lay the groundwork to do that, and they're hopeful that Donald Trump will overreach.
00:34:05.000And they read in these controversial nominations that we talked about indication that Donald Trump will overreach and that that will give them the opportunity to get an audience with the American people again to make the case that they've got something better on offer.