Matt Gaetz gives an exclusive interview to the Charlie Kirk Show. Also, this conversation happened before Mike Rogers was dismissed as potentially being an FBI agent. Also, Charlie Kirk is on college campuses fighting for freedom and freedom on campuses across the U.S. President Donald Trump has chosen Pam Bondi to be the next Attorney General of the United States of America. She is a bright legal mind and a fellow Floridian who hates criminals. She has the legal acumen to do the work that Donald Trump needs to do. She hates criminals and she hates criminals, which is exactly what President Trump needs in order to get things done in the Justice Department. She will be a great addition to the Trump administration and I am very excited to have her on the show today! Tweet me and let me know what you thought of the interview! Timestamps: 3:00 - What's next for the Trump DOJ? 4:30 - Who will replace A.G. Bondi and why it's a good hire 5:00- Why Pam is the perfect choice 6:30- Why I'm excited about the Bondi pick 7:15 - I'm not worried about the transition 8:00 9:40 - I think it's going to be a good fit 11:20 - What will happen 12:10 - Who's the real chance of being the next AG ? 13:30 14:15 15:15- What's the best candidate for Trump's next AG? 16:20 17: What is the best person for the President's agenda 18:40- What do you're going to do on Day 1 19: What are you looking forward to do in the next few months 21:40 22:20- What s going to happen on Day One? 23:00 | What's your biggest challenge for the country 26:40 | What will you're looking for in the White House 27: Who are you waiting for in 2020? 29: What s your biggest takeaway from this White House? 30:30 | What is your biggest chance for Day 1?'s biggest challenge? 32:15 | How do you want to succeed in the future? 35:20 | What s the best thing you can do for the USA First Army? 31:00
00:00:18.000Also, this conversation happened before Mike Rogers was dismissed as potentially being an FBI Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:40.000Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
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00:02:37.000She is a bright legal mind and a fellow Floridian.
00:02:42.000I think that even though the path will take me to a different station in life and a different place to fight for our agenda and President Trump, we've got a great person in place and I enjoyed the time on the Hill, frankly, talking with senators and we had great momentum.
00:02:58.000When people got to hear my vision for the Department of Justice, taking out the weaponization, implementing the President's immigration agenda, changing the Office of Civil Rights to actually fight for the free speech on college campuses that so many of your viewers and listeners care about, attacking the precursors to fentanyl and dismantling the censorship industrial complex, that's exactly the work that Pam Bondi is highly qualified to do.
00:03:23.000And again, while our discussions were going well, I found myself having to do two jobs at one time, Charlie, and you got a front row seat to this.
00:03:31.000I had a full-time job explaining to senators that maybe a tweet I sent about them was rash and not reflective of how I would serve as Attorney General.
00:03:41.000And at the same time, I was having to build out the Department of Justice with the right human talent, the right policy infrastructure.
00:03:49.000And Pam Bondi's confirmation won't have some of the sharp edges that mine would have.
00:04:06.000We remember that it was the Department of Justice with Sally Yates on day one of the last Trump administration where a lot of our agenda was scuttled, where they started the whole Russia hoax nonsense, where they limited the president's ability to do what was necessary on some immigration fronts.
00:04:22.000And so with Pam Bondi ready on day one, we're going to be so much more successful.
00:04:26.000And now you and me and the rest of the America First Army, we're going to get right back to work Scouring for talent.
00:04:35.000And you and I have been very involved at Mar-a-Lago at finding patriotic Americans who want to do incredible service, not for themselves, for the country, and putting them in a position to succeed.
00:04:46.000So I might not lead the league in scoring in the upcoming few months, but I want to lead the league in assists.
00:04:52.000I want to help you find those great folks, get them in great position, and see that President Trump is a historically successful president.
00:04:59.000So, Matt, I want to build that out and continue to go into that.
00:05:03.000But first, I just want to address some of the speculation.
00:05:05.000Some people say it was, you know, the House ethics report.
00:05:08.000Some people say that there were five immovable senators.
00:05:11.000I just want to briefly touch on this, Matt, because there was so much media nonsense around it and lies about you and your character.
00:05:19.000And I was out there defending every single day.
00:05:21.000I just want you to have an opportunity to address that.
00:05:24.000Once and for all, we can kind of put this to rest.
00:06:21.000So that was going to serve as at least enough of a basis to delay my confirmation as Attorney General.
00:06:29.000And I could have answered all those questions.
00:06:31.000I could have engaged in a months-long fact battle, but we don't have months to go through that.
00:06:36.000We've got to have an AG ready to go day one to implement the immigration agenda and work on the other key policy deregulatory objectives of the president.
00:06:46.000Then as it relates to where the Senate was, Charlie...
00:06:50.000Look, there were senators that had not gotten to yes.
00:06:52.000And what I can tell you is the movement was unidirectional.
00:06:55.000The more I got to talk to senators, the more they started to understand that these priorities of mine would bring the country together.
00:07:03.000They would get the Justice Department back on track.
00:07:06.000And frankly, they're going to be the priorities of the Trump administration.
00:07:09.000Under a fantastic Attorney General, Pam Bondi.
00:07:12.000I know what an immigration hardliner Pam Bondi is.
00:07:15.000I know that she's got no tolerance for the censorship.
00:07:18.000I know that she actually was part of the election integrity infrastructure in Florida that became the model for the country, and she can deliver that election integrity through our civil rights division.
00:07:29.000So it was more a matter of pace than anything, and the pace was just going to be too long for me.
00:07:36.000And with someone like Pam that we can put right there in that spot, we're going to be far more successful as an administration.
00:07:43.000So Matt, I now have to ask about just what your plans are.
00:07:46.000And it's okay if you have to punt on it because you might not know.
00:07:51.000It's important to know you resigned from this Congress, not the next Congress.
00:07:56.000Our audience is 100% behind Matt Gaetz, by the way.
00:07:58.000They are very, very upset that you are not able to get all the way to Attorney General.
00:08:04.000I have to ask, what is next for Matt Gaetz?
00:08:07.000I'm still going to be in the fight, but it's going to be from a new perch.
00:08:11.000I do not intend to join the 119th Congress.
00:08:14.000There are a number of fantastic Floridians who've stepped up to run for my seat, people who have inspired with their heroism, with their public service.
00:08:23.000And I'm actually excited to see Northwest Florida go to new heights and have great representation.
00:08:30.000Charles, I've been in an elected office for 14 years.
00:08:32.000I first got elected to the State House when I was 26 years old, and I'm 42 now.
00:08:37.000And I've got some other goals in life that I'm eager to pursue with my wife and my family.
00:08:42.000And so I'm going to be fighting for President Trump.
00:08:46.000I'm going to be doing whatever he asks of me, as I always have.
00:08:49.000But I think that eight years is probably enough time in the United States Congress.
00:08:55.000You know, in Florida, our voters got to vote on term limits for state government.
00:09:02.000And so you can only do eight years in the Florida House of Representatives.
00:09:06.000And so it seems like a pretty poetic time to allow that great new blood to come in, to allow my district to have high quality representation.
00:09:17.000And don't worry, I'm not going anywhere.
00:09:19.000I'm not taking off for like, you know, a tropical excursion for the rest of my life.
00:09:26.000And one thing you know, the great patriots at Turning Point know, we need people at every level.
00:09:31.000We need brilliant lawyers on the outside.
00:09:34.000We need tough congressmen and congresswomen on the inside.
00:09:37.000We need a leadership structure under President Trump that's going to allow for durability of our movement and the ability to continue to This great realignment of our politics.
00:09:50.000I plan to be a big voice, but maybe not as an elected member of the government.
00:09:54.000Matt, you say here in your tweet, I look forward to continuing to fight to save our country, just maybe from a different post, American flag.
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00:11:20.000Matt, I want to get your thoughts on this.
00:11:22.000There's a lot of rumors swirling about who might run the FBI next.
00:11:26.000One of the names that is being discussed is Mike Rogers, who was unsuccessful in his Senate bid in the state of Michigan.
00:11:34.000Last night, Andy McCabe, who we all know is the worst of the worst, endorsed Mike Rogers to become FBI director.
00:11:43.000Andy McCabe went on Andy McCabe has endorsed Mike Rogers.
00:11:56.000How should we think about this, Matt Gaetz?
00:11:58.000Well, I thought I had the worst day for prospects of serving in the Department of Justice, but if Andy McCabe endorsed Mike Rogers and that information gets to President Trump, and I suspect it will, I don't think it will do very well for Mike Rogers' case.
00:12:14.000It's unfortunate that he ran a few points behind the president and didn't prevail there, but I think that Mike Rogers will be asked really tough questions from some of the civil libertarians in the Republican conference about just how robust the surveillance state should be.
00:12:29.000We've seen the surveillance state weaponized against Republicans and Democrats alike.
00:12:33.000We've seen the Constitution torn asunder in the desire to allow the FBI to be very snoopy.
00:12:40.000And Mike Rogers has been a champion for the most aggressive actions in that respect.
00:12:46.000And I think that President Trump wants to see more reform there probably than Mike Rogers does.
00:12:51.000Let's play cut 82. Yeah, this is Mike Rogers, some of his thoughts on President Trump.
00:12:57.000Play cut 82. I don't believe today as I'm sitting here that Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee in 2024. Don't believe it.
00:13:05.000I don't think it's helpful for the President of the United States to attack the media.
00:13:08.000It's petty, and it's certainly below the stature of the office of the President of the United States.
00:13:12.000It's beneath the office in and of itself.
00:13:15.000Actions and activities unbecoming of the office of the President of the United States.
00:13:19.000I don't want to spend too much time on your valuable time, Matt, on this, but it seems as if he's not exactly a fan of President Trump and him becoming FBI director.
00:13:29.000I think his odds are decreasing in real time.
00:13:31.000In closing here, Matt, we have a mandate.
00:13:34.000We have a mandate to fix the DOJ and fix the FBI. You mentioned some of this previously, but what are some of the other things that you had to really think about this last week, Matt?
00:13:44.000You had to really go into planning mode because you were the Attorney General-designate.
00:13:50.000What specific items did you come up with in the last week as you went through these briefings and these transition meetings that you want to share with our audience of action items for Pam Bondi, Todd Blanch, and the incoming Department of Justice team?
00:14:04.000There's going to be a lot of self-deporting at the Department of Justice.
00:14:07.000That was happening when I was the Attorney General-designate.
00:14:10.000I'm sure it will continue with Pam Bondi because people know that reform is coming.
00:14:14.000We're not going to be doing things the same way we used to do them.
00:14:17.000And so you're going to have a lot of positions to And one of the most important things for us to do is get really bright lawyers, not from just inside the beltway of Washington, but from the great DA offices around the country, from state attorneys general, who have people who feel that call to come and help us reclaim the Department of Justice as a valued institution constrained by the Constitution, not as the enforcement wing of the political left in the country.
00:14:44.000And we've seen that under both President Trump and President Biden, it must change.
00:14:48.000The other thing is a bit granular, but I think people will understand it.
00:14:51.000When you have the recalcitrants who dig in and want to do things like change FISA applications illegally and fraudulently to ensnare President Trump or other Republicans, you have to put those people on the line.
00:15:04.000You have to take those people out of their big cushy offices in the Kennedy building or in the Hoover building, and you've got to send them out into the field prosecuting crimes in Indian country or working in litigating sections of the department.
00:15:17.000And if you do that, I think some of the folks who prefer to play politics than follow the facts in the law will indeed leave the Department of Justice, creating more opportunity for those patriotic Americans that we've discussed.
00:15:31.000Also, there has to be a real effort from the Office of Personal Management from the very, very beginning to figure out who was breaking the law with FISA and then fire those people.
00:15:41.000When Inspector General Horowitz, who was appointed by Obama, reviewed their conduct, they were breaking the law 38 times an hour.
00:15:48.000They were spying on their ex-lovers, their neighbors, their spouse's co-workers, and the people that did that, if they are fired for cause, then it will have a very cleansing and therapeutic effect throughout the department.
00:16:01.000Very quickly, what is your advice to Tulsi Bobby that you learned this last week that they should know to get across the finish line?
00:16:08.000Spend as much time with senators as possible.
00:16:10.000My best moments were with some of my harshest critics because when you lay out your plans and your agenda, how that's all going to fit together in great ways with the administration, senators will move.
00:16:39.000As always, you can email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:16:41.000I want to dive deeper into President Trump's policy agenda, and joining us now is a great friend and warrior for liberty, Brooke Rollins, founder and CEO of America First Policy Institute.
00:17:25.000In the very dark days, Charlie, there weren't a lot of us that were still in the MAGA, America First, Donald Trump, you know, keep marching forward world, early 2021. A lot of people thought the movement was dead.
00:17:38.000But Pam Bondi, from the moment we even discussed putting together a massive new effort that is founded on the first term of President Trump's policy wins, for the next 100 years, Pam was there.
00:18:01.000I mean, she is the epitome of the America First movement, and she's going to crush it as AG. Yeah, and the liberals, the left, they're losing their mind.
00:18:10.000I want to play this from MSNBC yesterday and get your reaction, Brooke.
00:18:15.000Just this outrageous reaction from, I think it's Ari Melber and, you know, they're not having a good couple of weeks and it's not going to get better.
00:18:23.000Play cut 80. Pam Bondi is exactly what I was saying in the last segment that we should all fear because she's competent.
00:18:30.000We may not agree with her ideologically, but she actually knows how to do this job.
00:18:34.000So if anyone on the Democratic side or anyone who cared about liberty or justice was thinking, well, maybe Matt Gaetz will screw this up and that'll give us some time.
00:18:43.000She knows what she's doing about immigration.
00:18:45.000Remember, Florida is one of those states that's been very aggressive about migrants and deportation and moving people to different states and everything else like that.
00:18:51.000Florida has enacted all sorts of rules and laws to curtail students and what they can do on campuses and finding legal justifications for manipulating education money.
00:19:01.000She is a dangerous and effective pick, and that's, frankly, worse than what we would have got with Matt Gaetz, even with the deplorable moral background that he has.
00:19:10.000Yeah, and I want to discuss that with a little more depth with both of you, including her record on civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and other issues that are front and center at the DOJ, in which we know were also big campaign issues this cycle.
00:19:23.000Brooke, I mean, I can't think of a better endorsement, Brooke Rollins.
00:19:27.000I can't believe for the first time in the history of all time, I actually agree with someone on MSNBC. Like, this is a banner day for a lot of different reasons.
00:19:42.000She was one of the most, if not the most successful state attorney general.
00:19:46.000And Charlie, you and I have long so believed that the states really are the guardians at the gate.
00:19:51.000And that, you know, coming up through the state process and building a book of business and policy wins in the states is really perhaps the best way to prepare for a big job like Attorney General.
00:20:05.000I think this is maybe his most important pick.
00:20:08.000Others may disagree with that, but I think, you know, Treasury, commerce, education, those are all extremely important, game-changing positions.
00:20:16.000But this position, Attorney General, I believe could be the most important, and I think he's got an absolute winner in Pam Bondi.
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00:21:13.000Let's go through just quickly some of the policy.
00:21:15.000What would you like to see the Department of Justice do from a policy perspective?
00:21:21.000We're obviously going after child sex trafficking, cracking down on illegal immigration.
00:21:26.000What policies would you like to see the Department of Justice focus on?
00:21:31.000Listen, the two you just mentioned are top of the list, but for me, we have a once in a lifetime, perhaps once in a country's history time, an opportunity to de-weaponize government.
00:21:59.000And so the DOJ and what Pam will eventually lead, pending Senate confirmation, which I see no problem there, is the absolute...
00:22:09.000Most important thing, I think, that the Department of Justice and one of the most important things I think that this next administration must tackle and win, and that is taking the government out and getting the weaponization out of our government.
00:22:22.000And that's what I think Pam will lead, and I think she'll be very successful.
00:22:25.000So I want to kind of go around the horn here, but I want to play one more piece of tape here of Pam Bondi's record when it comes to illegal immigration, which again, the Department of Justice has been like a sister agency for the open borders agenda.
00:22:41.000If she was Attorney General of Florida, she would go after illegal migrants that were coming into Florida, and the Department of Justice plays a very important role there.
00:22:51.000I don't think we have that tape, but let's just broaden it more, Brooke.
00:22:54.000Brooke, what would you say of the other personnel and policy positions that President Trump has selected?
00:23:02.000From Bobby Kennedy to Linda McMahon to Tulsi Gabbard, what is your analysis of the team that President Trump is assembling?
00:23:10.000Well, first, and into the original thought, the mass deportation, the securing our borders, I mean, to keep America, that is absolutely top of the list.
00:23:22.000I think that Tom Homan with Kristi Noem and others are going to do a great job.
00:23:25.000But to your point, Charlie, you're always right, that that partnership with the DOJ is going to be absolutely paramount to being able to Going around the horn, you know, I've been talking a lot about the election of 1800 when there was a massive inflection point, right?
00:23:42.000George Washington said, I'm going to step away.
00:23:49.000You then fast forward to the 1860-64 with Abraham Lincoln and his team of rivals, another inflection point in American history.
00:23:57.000Then you move into the 1920s, FDR, 1930s, another inflection point Well, Charlie, in 500 years, they're going to talk about 2024 as the fourth inflection point in American history and perhaps the point that saved America and our founding father's vision of the Constitution and freedom and liberty.
00:24:17.000And so the team that he has assembled, from the incredible Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, I know, Charlie, you've been such a big part of that, the Doge effort, too, the Tulsi Gabbard, the John Ratcliffe, the Bobby Kennedy.
00:24:31.000Charlie, when you and I started working together a decade ago, I'm not sure that we certainly would have dreamt of a moment like this, but I'm not sure that either one of us could have ever hoped for this sort of team of rivals, of game changers, of transformational figures all coming together to meet the moment, to live in this miracle that we find ourselves in, the big win from two weeks ago, but now the most important part, the opportunity to really govern and take our country back.
00:25:35.000I was with the president for three years in the last White House.
00:25:38.000I managed a lot of big projects, but the last year I was his domestic policy chief and really spent a good part of that year mapping out his second term.
00:25:46.000So I knew that November 3rd was the election, fully expected the win, November 4th, Term 2 would begin, and we were going to be, for the first time, incredibly organized and intentional and strategic.
00:25:57.000More tax cuts, a more secure border, you know, all the things that we had finally begun to figure out in that first term.
00:26:03.000Well, as we know, that contiguous second term did not happen.
00:26:07.000So as we were dealing with what was a taken election from President Trump in 2020 to January 6th, which a lot of darkness had descended into Washington and onto the America First movement, In my heart, I knew that if we could keep the momentum, if we could build an organization, if we could have a 100-year plan that was based on the winning of the policy in that first term, no more Republican establishment, Republican business as usual.
00:26:39.000And in so doing, we would build a massive tent of new people that Charlie, youth, you know, Black, Hispanic, etc.
00:26:47.000So we built an entire effort around that first term.
00:26:50.000But what I was really working to do is, no matter who the next America First president was, in that January of 2021, we would begin building in preparation for that day.
00:27:00.000Hopefully in four years from 21, but if it was eight years or 12 years, we would be ready.
00:27:14.000So for almost three-plus years, very quietly under the radar, we never talked to press about it, we had almost 950 former Trump administration officials quietly writing the agency plans, preparing the 300 executive orders, making sure that we had the rules and regulations organized and ready.
00:27:34.000And so obviously tracking with the president.
00:27:38.000Every time at a rally, he'd say, on day one, This is what we're going to do.
00:27:42.000We would write it down and begin mapping out how to actually achieve that in every single lane of policy.
00:27:48.000So what a joy now to see that hopefully a lot of that work is used, maybe most of it, but I think that we're going to be ready in a way, and the president is going to have one of the most remarkable, if not the most remarkable, four years in American history.
00:28:09.000As we build the personnel team, policy will be implemented.
00:28:13.000Please share the website one last time, Brooke, for our audience.
00:28:16.000AmericaFirstPolicy.com and RC4, America First Works, which is taking the policy alongside Turning Point Action into every corner of the country as we keep building the winning machine for the future.
00:30:26.000Who kind of gives you a little bit of a foreshadowing of where the Democrat Party is going to go.
00:30:34.000If you think they're going to moderate themselves, they are going to double and triple down on race politics because race politics is the life force of the Democrat Party.
00:30:45.000And as American politics becomes less and less racialized, And merit and class become more emphasized and race and gender become less emphasized.
00:31:39.000So yeah, we are going to sit here and be offended when you want to sit here and act like, and don't let it escape you.
00:31:47.000That it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us, people of color on this side of the aisle, that y'all are the ones being oppressed.
00:31:57.000That y'all are the ones that are being harmed.
00:32:00.000So I suppose that is supposed to be some sort of rallying cry for the Democrat Party, where she's trying to say that the color of your skin should determine and dictate whether or not you have a right to be able to talk about oppression.
00:32:22.000What does she think of what's happening to Daniel Penny in New York right now?
00:32:25.000Do you think that Daniel Penny would be on this Moscow-style show trial in the city of New York if he was anything but a Marine veteran, white, straight, Christian man?
00:32:38.000By the way, I'm curious what she thinks about affirmative action.
00:32:41.000Affirmative action is hostile, anti-white acceptance policies in higher education and hiring practices in the federal government.
00:32:50.000The Democrat Party is going to go further and further in this direction.
00:32:53.000They think they did not play race politics enough.
00:32:56.000They think they underplayed their hand of the radical elements of their party.
00:33:02.000If you think the Democrat Party is going to come together and kind of become a more moderate version of their former selves and embrace free speech and embrace openness and dialogue, you are mistaken.
00:33:14.000In the DNA, in the fiber, in the modus operandi, in the standard operating procedure of the Democrat Party is race Marxism.
00:33:25.000Is this belief that the structures around us are configured in a way that if you are a quote-unquote person of color, that you must tear down the systems around you and continue the revolution against the white man.
00:33:41.000There's a civil war right now, and the moderates are getting a few shots in, but they're being told to shut up.
00:33:46.000And the Bolsheviks and the race Marxist revolutionaries, they will be successful, and the Democrat Party will become even more radical.
00:33:54.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
00:33:55.000Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.