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00:01:39.000I just want to say, I personally feel so vindicated right now because I put probably more than- Nebraska would probably be number two or three, but the most amount of political capital in a single thing in the last year of everything we've worked towards, social media, events, towards making J.D.
00:01:59.000the vice presidential selection, that's really what I focused on.
00:02:02.000And people were doubting. They said, oh, you know, he can't do it and he's not up to it.
00:02:07.000Tonight, he showed the country he was presidential, he was poised, he was compassionate, he was precise,
00:02:14.000he was so good on the numbers. I was, I'm just so vindicated.
00:02:17.000He was confident. I was so happy when he just steamrolled them on that.
00:04:23.000It's the guy who has like a very compelling life story.
00:04:26.000The guy who can be the softer edge of this mega agenda.
00:04:31.000And it was totally unprepared, and he was able to sell that very strongly, where it was the mix of firmness where he needed it, but he also has the ability to kind of do what, you know, you would not see Trump do, which is like, OK, you know, you know, you might not agree with everything we do, but X, Y and Z.
00:04:48.000It was such a great compliment to what Trump brings to politics, and Walls was totally not ready for it.
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00:05:19.000You just witnessed a bloodbath, and as someone who was honored enough to help, you know, text JD some thoughts, and he was super nice about it.
00:05:27.000Again, I don't want to say I was on the debate prep team.
00:05:29.000That goes a little too far, but he certainly received and internalized the conversation I had with him, and was texting with him a lot, and he was super great about it, honestly, and he's been a friend for quite a while.
00:05:41.000Andrew, can you mention to the audience how we should all feel vindicated here on The Charlie Kirk Show?
00:05:46.000We were kind of the spearhead, the tip of the spear, if you will, of trying to get JD Vance to be the VP.
00:05:54.000My phone is lighting up like a Christmas tree right now.
00:05:56.000People that hate Trump that say they're voting for Trump because of tonight.
00:06:27.000Any of us who are his supporters could not claim that.
00:06:29.000I mean, he did a phenomenal job both tonight, I mean, this is such a vindication, but there
00:06:34.000are people also that people in this audience would know, very, very famous people, well-known
00:06:39.000people that I'll never forget, Charlie, walking with you at the RNC after, actually before
00:06:46.000and after JD Vance was announced, that were giving us death glares and daggers, stares,
00:06:51.000because they knew that we were supporting JD, maybe they were backing other people.
00:06:56.000I mean, some of the grudges that were held, because it was essentially our guy that got the pick, Those are stories for maybe a book sometime much later, but right now it's just a time to celebrate what a success, what a triumph, what a vindication, and just how proud we are of this guy for prosecuting the case so successfully against Walsh, but also against Kamala.
00:09:01.000Got up at 5 a.m., slept four hours, and I was just, like, working the phones, being like, has Trump made his mind, Trump's mind.
00:09:06.000There was a huge lobbying campaign for other non-vance candidates of, you know, let's just say, other garden varieties of conservatism that we don't believe in.
00:09:14.000And Trump rejected all of that and trusted his gut and made J.D.
00:09:18.000Vance the vice presidential nominee, which was just remarkable and really credit to President Trump.
00:09:24.000By the way, an instant poll from Frank Luntz says that people believe that J.D.
00:09:59.000He said the optics were better for Vance, his answers were better.
00:10:02.000He thought the only thing that he was off on was the January 6th answers, and it was just because he said Vance's answers seemed too slick.
00:10:09.000Which, you know, that's a tough topic to talk about.
00:10:12.000So, and I want to play some of the clips here, which I think is important from the debate.
00:10:18.000JD won on every single topic throughout.
00:10:21.000January 6th stuff I think was probably a tie.
00:10:23.000But he won on immigration, he won on the climate, he won on abortion.
00:10:39.000Now to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world, and he did it by establishing effective deterrence.
00:10:52.000People were afraid of stepping out of line.
00:10:54.000Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.
00:11:03.000They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies, and God forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well.
00:11:11.000Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.
00:11:16.000They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.
00:11:24.000Now you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question.
00:11:27.000Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.
00:11:35.000I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.
00:12:57.000And he's also a more empathetic guy than Trump in a way.
00:13:01.000And it just captures so many things that, you know, Trump is a very strong political
00:13:06.000force, but he's not perfect on everything.
00:13:09.000And Vance really, he fills in all of the gaps in a very balanced way.
00:13:14.000And as you say, it's the last debate of this cycle.
00:13:17.000And it's also one that's coming at a very high salience point where we have all these crises popping out.
00:13:23.000And so I said beforehand, past vice presidential debates haven't mattered.
00:13:28.000We don't know for sure if this one will matter, but if it is going to matter, we're in.
00:13:32.000Everything has come to pass the way we would hope it would.
00:13:34.000I want to name some of our members here.
00:13:36.000I want to thank Jennifer, Amber, Dan, Donna, Parker, Josh, Aiden, Alex, Michael, Antonio, Jared, Shelley, Alex, Aaron, Goran, Lisa, Courtney, Andrew, Ryan, Cheryl, Shelley, Hudson, Anne, Lydia and Paul, I'm signing hats for all of you right now.
00:16:12.000Yeah, well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small, rural Nebraska, town of 400, town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on, and I'm proud of that service.
00:16:24.000My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values that people care about.
00:16:34.000Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?
00:16:40.000All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this.
00:16:44.000So I will just, that's what I've said.
00:18:14.000This was the epitome of People realizing, and this might be the moment that's most important about this debate, is that anyone that watched this debate realized, oh my gosh, the media has been lying to us again.
00:18:42.000I want to just say, in an election that might come down to 10,000 votes in Georgia, or 20,000 votes in Arizona, this matters a ton, everybody.
00:18:52.000This shows a softer side of Trump, but yet precise.
00:18:55.000Not weak, but empathetic, with a balance to it that the media says doesn't exist.
00:19:36.000So many people were just so reassured by the tone, the graciousness, the gentlemanliness, the civility, the ability to kind of disagree agreeably, if you will, despite some pretty heated disagreements.
00:19:52.000They were so assured by what they saw.
00:19:54.000and J.D. Vance. I mean, I believe this is the sort of 2016 come home equivalent, where
00:20:02.000you're going to have a lot of people that were sort of, you know, there's not willing
00:20:07.000to say it out loud that they were going to vote for Trump.
00:20:09.000And now they're like, OK, well, so two things. So Kamala Harris does better with
00:20:13.000registered Democrats than Trump does with registered Republicans.
00:20:54.000Tyler, can you explain how the VP debate is actually to win over higher prop voters, more swing and independent voters, less about driving turnout?
00:21:04.000Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with you in your analysis here, which is that J.D., again, gave a masterclass.
00:21:11.000This may be one of, I think, one of the best debate performances I've seen out of anybody from the last four elections I can remember.
00:21:17.000I mean, I literally was watching here.
00:21:25.000But the way that he carried himself is exactly the tone, the tenor, the look that is going to give people who aren't sure about Trump The confidence to know, oh wow, he's got people around him, especially his VP, who is way, way, way better of a candidate than Kamala or this guy, Tim Waltz, who looks like, I don't know what his haircut was all about, by the way, too.
00:21:56.000And he looked about the same amount of bad of how he answered all his questions.
00:22:00.000And so people that are watching that don't really know JD because he's been portrayed as, I don't know what, quite frankly, from a lot of people, especially the moms that are like, Oh, yeah, don't look at him.
00:22:11.000We don't want to listen to him about abortion.
00:22:14.000We don't want to see all these things.
00:22:16.000Everything he said, I think, including some of the most unfair questions that he was given, he answered so And he said, hey, look, you know, I know some people disagree with me.
00:22:27.000That's why I believe that people can vote.
00:22:33.000Hey, you know, there are some things here that are soft and we can talk about, and there's a lot of nuance and, you know, I'm your guy that you want to listen to.
00:22:42.000And that is an edge that Trump does not have.
00:22:45.000And so when people see that and they ask that question, who's the last person that Trump's going to talk to before he makes big decisions?
00:22:53.000You can't help but look at this debate and say, it is a no-brainer.
00:22:57.000You want JD in that room and not a Tim Walz.
00:23:43.000He had so many lines that he was clearly trying to say that he didn't listen and when J.D.
00:23:49.000Vance said one of the many, many things he really hit Kamala Harris on, not Tim Walz, but Kamala Harris, he didn't respond because he clearly had things in his mind.
00:24:00.000I think the lack of interviews that he has done Well, maybe because he actually talks to the media.
00:25:43.000And by the way, so instead they went DEI, which Tim Walz is the first white DEI pick in presidential history because they try to win over white voters.
00:25:53.000Oh yeah, we're gonna have a guy live-action role-playing in a camo hat.
00:26:16.000No, and so, so, Andrew, kind of, can you riff on this here?
00:26:19.000I think it's super important for you to kind of, for us to build out that Tim Walz was outmatched, outflanked, not prepared, and in an election that could be decided by 100,000 votes, tonight matters a lot.
00:26:32.000Yeah, here's the part that is really key for people to understand.
00:26:37.000This is the last flavor of debate season.
00:26:41.000This is the last piece of energy that's gonna get injected into the veins of the American voting public.
00:26:47.000And the taste is not sweet if you're a Democrat, it's bitter.
00:26:51.000You realize that you just picked a white nobody from a know nothing state,
00:26:57.000I love Minnesota, don't get me wrong, but it's not Pennsylvania when it comes to swing states.
00:27:02.000And you picked him because he was a boring white guy Not because he could speak well or articulate the points, but because he walks around in drag conservative apparel like he's some normal guy.
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00:29:08.000Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.
00:29:12.000A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.
00:29:18.000Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it.
00:29:22.000Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.
00:29:35.000Drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%.
00:29:38.000Open the American southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.
00:29:43.000If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now.
00:30:47.000sort of did what we talked about Trump should have done the last debate, I think, which was frame the debate and say, you're going to hear a lot about what she, or in this case, he is going to say all night.
00:30:58.000And I'm going to keep answering the same answers, like, well, why hasn't she done it yet?
00:31:05.000And I think JD could have even done it a little bit more, but that clip exhibited exactly that.
00:31:10.000And I think that is the best thing you could leave.
00:31:14.000Again, you say taste in the mouth of voters, and you're like, that's the taste that is got to stick with voters.
00:31:20.000And this is the easy sell out the door.
00:31:22.000When you're talking to people who are chasing ballots, we're trying to get people to vote, remember to vote is say, look, this is really simple.
00:31:31.000Why hasn't she done any of this stuff?
00:31:33.000You cannot possibly think that there's any chance, any hope at all, that things are going to get better because she's been there and she's literally promising all this stuff that she could have been doing the entire time.
00:31:42.000And I thought that was probably the strongest part that I hope was the Uh, you know, the takeaway for most people who are watching this and maybe watching JD for the first time is this dude's right.
00:31:54.000You know, I don't know what this Tim Waltz guy is talking about.
00:31:58.000You know, the media told me he looked like, and I thought he was a cool coach and he looks like a, you know, tales from the crypt, bad haircut, weirdo who can't answer why he lies all the time.
00:33:55.000One, that's totally true, but you could even expand on that.
00:33:58.000Good leaders, they keep people around them because people want to be around them, both because they like the leader and because they can sense that that leader is going places, will achieve things, and if they're around them, they can achieve things too.
00:34:12.000And what do we know about Kamala, of course?
00:34:14.000We know that Kamala can't keep staff around, that they don't like being with her, and that's really incredible because, again, think about what we've seen Kamala do.
00:34:23.000She might just She stumbled her way almost by accident into being a nominee for president.
00:34:29.000That was obviously a possibility, yet no one wanted to stay in her office her first three years in Washington.
00:34:36.000You could be right next to a person who could be the next president of the United States and no one wanted to work for her.
00:34:42.000That really should be talked about more as an utterly damning indictment of her case to be president.
00:35:36.000A cordial debate between these two men.
00:35:38.000I wouldn't describe them as evenly matched because they are so different.
00:35:44.000So different in style and so different on substance.
00:35:48.000Very interested to hear from the spin room, to hear from all of my colleagues here, to get to all of the analysis that we're going to get to.
00:35:53.000I think the big picture takeaway from this is that one of these candidates is much slicker than the other, is a much more practiced and professional debate style speaker.
00:36:52.000Look, I'm here at Trump International in New York City right now.
00:36:57.000JD was just was conducting his final debate prep just upstairs from where I am.
00:37:02.000This was the sort of social media spin room that we were doing tonight,
00:37:06.000and it graciously allowed me to use the room for the remainder of the evening while we're on here.
00:37:11.000And look, I just have to say just sitting in the room of Lena Hava was here and so many others from the campaign,
00:37:16.000as well as just a lot of influencers from across Twitter and Instagram.
00:37:23.000And look, people were just very elated.
00:37:25.000I mean, you look at a debate like this and Tim Walz just flustered from the first moment.
00:37:30.000He never really seemed to gain his footing throughout the entire debate.
00:37:35.000And even on layups, like, you know, asking where they really helped him out on things like climate change or and trying to fact check JD Vans when they didn't fact check anything else or anyone else.
00:37:49.000when they asked him, what do you think of the accusations, Tim?
00:37:53.000And specifically brought up, they led him back to his script a few times.
00:37:57.000That's what CBS did everything they could to help Tim Walz out and it wasn't enough
00:38:03.000because he just came across as weird, as flustered, never gained his footing during the debate.
00:38:10.000And this was something where, again, like you're saying there,
00:38:13.000he's supposed to be the guy who's done this his entire career,
00:38:18.000Vance kind of just picked this up as like a, it was almost like a hobby.
00:38:22.000And Donald Trump is someone who picked this up as, not a hobby, is that the right word, but just something that they didn't want to initially do.
00:38:28.000I guess evocation would probably be the best word for it.
00:38:31.000Something they didn't, you know, intend to do with their lives, but realized that they had to because they weren't able to live the lives they wanted to live, didn't want to Let their children grow up in a country that was turning into.
00:38:43.000So you have these people coming as complete outsiders to politics and just running rings around people that have been doing it their entire lives.
00:38:53.000Actually, one quick, if I could throw out, because I was on the stream earlier, so I don't know if you said it, but just, I mean, Charlie, for all the work that you did and Don Jr., Tucker Carlson and so many people behind the scenes regarding the J.D.
00:39:09.000I mean, I just go back to a couple of months ago on July 14th and July 15th, those last couple of days when there were so many people like Lindsey Graham and Karl Rove and so many others trying to stop J.D.
00:39:22.000Vance from becoming the vice president, saying he was the wrong choice.
00:39:25.000Donald Trump listened to the right people and in an impossible situation
00:39:31.000when he had just faced an assassination attempt and then still had to pick his vice president,
00:41:14.000Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact-check, and since you're fact-checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.
00:41:22.000So there's an application called the CBP1 app, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum, or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.
00:41:36.000That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years.
00:41:40.000That is the facilitation of a legal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.
00:41:44.000Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.
00:42:04.000And they need... The Republicans should never stop mentioning this because it's so appalling.
00:42:10.000Almost the fact that we even say the border is like a psyop because it is not the border.
00:42:16.000It is that the Democrats have literally made a system where you can take a smartphone, apply on an app saying, I'm going to illegally cross the border if you don't stop me.
00:42:26.000And then Biden is like, and Harris are like, Oh no!
00:42:37.000And they land in Florida, and this guy drives vans from Springfield, Ohio down to Florida, picks them up, and says, hey, want to work in a factory?
00:42:49.000And they get in, they drive them, they put them in some roach-infested hovel in Springfield, and that is how the Springfield situation happened.
00:42:56.000It is literally There's an app for that.
00:43:00.000And I was so happy that JD Vance just... They don't want to talk about it.
00:43:42.000And one thing I just want to add here, and this is sort of connected to what we're talking about, but also piggybacking off Jack, the most important first decision that a presidential candidate makes is who they are going to select as their vice president.
00:43:56.000And once again, you see Democrats failing on the most basic fundamental tests in Tim Walz, a total loser, a total lightweight, a midwit.
00:44:06.000President Trump making the correct choice.
00:44:09.000And what a testament to the decision-making skills of Donald Trump and what a indictment of Kamala Harris that she went with Tim Walz.
00:44:18.000And what, I mean, President Trump deserves a ton of credit for that.
00:44:21.000Because this is just, their decision-making process is flawed, top to bottom, on the Democrat side.
00:44:53.000Uh, but at the beginning, the two issues driving the campaign right now are, Harris has a big deficit on the economy, Harris has a big deficit on immigration, and Republicans were happy tonight and Democrats a little bit nervous.
00:45:04.000On those two issues, Vance carried it.
00:45:53.000This may be the only chance people have to see the difference.
00:45:57.000Does anyone know what she's talking about here?
00:45:58.000She's like, I think she's talking about like Trump's been around for so long and we still don't know how to- Like the audacity, because of his lies!
00:47:16.000So let me tell you, as we're getting this piece of tape here, remember, the Democrats 20 years ago used to be low trust of institution voters.
00:47:25.000So they used to think that the military was lying to us, the Pentagon, so on and so forth.
00:47:30.000As the Republican Party has become less of the party of college-educated and more of the party
00:47:35.000of workers, the Republican Party is now low-trust of experts and low-trust of the institutions.
00:47:41.000We've seen this inversion. There was this remarkable moment that
00:48:06.000We're very skeptical of the leaders and the experts.
00:48:09.000And Tim Walz was kind of learning this in real time.
00:48:14.000And the vast majority of Americans think that the CDC and the FDA and the NIH were wrong when they were recommending six feet to slow the spread and masks on kids.
00:48:24.000They think it's wrong that we invaded Iraq.
00:49:38.000And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.
00:49:47.000We're bringing American manufacturing back.
00:50:32.000It's not that all experts are bad, but that people have expanded the use of the word expert to encompass a bunch of things that are not technical things.
00:50:41.000We're like, OK, do I need an expert to build the bridge?
00:50:53.000Or some expert who can come in and say, well, actually, we now know that there's infinite genders, and we can't know what a woman is.
00:51:01.000There's so many people who have irrigated the label of expert to themselves who are obvious frauds, obvious charlatans, obvious predators, and a lot of these people have really burrowed themselves into this left-wing governing class, and it shows how terrified they are of having themselves challenged because, as Vance pointed out, They want to censor everything.
00:51:24.000They want to really control discourse because nothing says I'm an expert like, oh, I actually want to make it illegal to disagree with me.
00:52:10.000And again, I'm not attacking anyone, but Vice President Pence was not, did not have the best performance at that sitting thing with the fly all over his face and everything else.
00:52:20.000You had the Sarah Palin, you know, projections that were out there about her performances.
00:52:27.000You had literally throughout history here, you know, everybody attacked Dick Cheney and he was so gruff and so weird and lame and boring and not inspirational whatsoever.
00:52:41.000I mean, we can keep going all the way back.
00:52:43.000Maybe you can make the argument that George W. Bush Maybe, or George H.W.
00:52:49.000Bush was maybe something, but he was definitely not adding anything to Ronald Reagan.
00:52:55.000I mean, you can go back so, so, so, so tremendously far here.
00:52:59.000J.D., and I say this, again, not without even thinking twice about it, is our best VP nominee the Republican Party has had for certainly in my lifetime, maybe my parents' lifetime.
00:55:22.000His other, like, public appearances have been very awkward.
00:55:26.000I'm thinking back to, like, the scenario in the ice cream shop where he just made it so awkward for the employee and they don't want him on camera.
00:55:33.000It would have been the donut too, right?
00:55:34.000Yeah, I just thought, well, like, why can't he just be normal like the rest of us?
00:55:39.000And that's how you felt coming out of here?
00:57:03.000Yes, so Bulletproof, the truth about the assassination attempts on Donald Trump is available for pre-sale and we just announced a couple of days ago, I don't know if I said it on the live stream yet here, one of the super streams, that We're very gracious and honored that Donald Trump Jr.
00:57:21.000has actually penned the foreword for Bulletproof, so the son of the man who was shot and who keeps trying to be killed, who will be at the Butler rally.
00:57:32.000I will be in Butler on Saturday, by the way, and I'm actually going to be hosting War Room I'll just announce it.
00:57:39.000I'm going to be hosting War Room from the Butler Rally on Saturday morning there in Pennsylvania.
00:57:45.000So if anybody wants to come out for War Room 10 a.m.
00:57:47.000to noon, I'll be there hosting on — look, I'm just going to say it.
00:58:42.000So just, you know, we're just... That's actually remarkable that you're over there regularly.
00:58:49.000No, I was like, of all the, like, random things that we've done, when we were doing, like, teaching internet culture to Charlie here on ThoughtCrime.
00:59:40.000Alright, if I were to describe toxic femininity, it would be the hyper-passive-aggressive enforcement of arbitrary rules and standards, and the rejection of anybody with testosterone that pushes back against these arbitrary standards.
00:59:57.000No better example than wine mom extraordinaire, Benzo Woman, 112.
01:00:04.000And I actually think if you're a woman, that might be the worst moment J.D.
01:00:08.000Vance had because he was going to mansplain right over that mute button.
01:00:13.000He was, and again, I don't pretend to know how everyone will react to this.
01:00:17.000I think that a lot of women in positions of authority that should command respect just by virtue of that dynamic will see themselves as some dude that disrespected them and talked over, you know, I mean, there was a moment like that with the vice presidential in the Harris-Pence debate.
01:00:36.000I was just going to say, I mean, I think that every woman would like to have a mute button on some of us men all the time.
01:00:46.000I mean, I know we all have wives and girlfriends that would like to do that.
01:00:51.000I don't think anyone thought that JD, SoftToneJD, trying to answer the question When he was, you know, fact check wrongfully, and giving the right answer back, and then they cut his mic, you know, this is my impression, again, I think I'm playing it pretty fair.
01:01:13.000They just seem very, like, kind of just very nasty, like kind of just like, Oh, no, you can't, you can't, you know, You know, disagree with me.
01:01:41.000I was going to say, and that's the moment where I feel like whenever you're in an argument and it could be a husband or wife, but you have those moments where you like trying to shut somebody down.
01:01:51.000It's like 10 minutes later, you come back, you're like, Hey, I'm really sorry for doing that.
01:01:55.000Like, I felt like that moment where she's like, they had gone over the top.
01:01:59.000And they realized that and almost like, it was just way over the top.
01:02:06.000Yeah, my take here is that Nicole Wallace Like, basically had the exact wrong—she thought the exact opposite of everybody at home was thinking.
01:02:18.000So it just shows what a terrible analyst and what a, like, caring water Democrat she is.
01:02:28.000of 90% of America in that moment and that is why you know the people that exist and make their living within the box they get they get their audience because it's force-fed into American homes that have no justification for their existence other than the fact they exist in the box.
01:02:44.000That was a moment where she exposed herself.
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01:03:35.000Why was that something, James, that resonated with you?
01:03:38.000It is true, Congress has power for these immigration policies, and it just keeps getting pushed back between presidency to presidency, which Congress does have power in these situations.
01:03:49.000It's really just forming a demonization of immigrants, which is such an issue.
01:03:53.000We see a lot of violence against immigrant communities.
01:04:49.000Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border.
01:04:54.000I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules.
01:04:57.000I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country, and we know that they use children as drug mules, and it is a disgrace, and it has to stop.
01:05:07.000Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.
01:05:10.000For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy.
01:05:17.000We had a record number of illegal crossings.
01:05:19.000We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.
01:05:22.000And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.
01:05:30.000The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.
01:05:42.000This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.
01:05:47.000Parents who can't afford healthcare, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president again.
01:05:54.000I mean, you just see them do this again and again, where it's a situation that JV Vance is making a point, CBS has this biased take on it, he gets a chance to respond, and then they kind of talk over him.
01:06:08.000I mean, I don't know if you guys saw this as anything else, but it just, to me, it's It's something where when you're looking at these back, or even in the moment, you're thinking, it's like what Tyler said earlier, that you're just finding yourself identifying, especially, and I'm going to say it, there was a massive gender dichotomy going on, an undercurrent of gender going on in the debate, where even though Kamala Harris wasn't on stage, the fact that the two moderators were female,
01:06:37.000And that JD Vance was a dude who was arguing against women in those instances.
01:06:43.000It just kind of became a sort of microcosm for the entire debate, the entire election, I should say, because that's really how people have split up.
01:06:52.000Charlie has seen this on campus, where it seems like it's a lot of men that are showing up for Trump now, and you just see it repeated over and over and over.
01:07:01.000I don't know if CBS I just want to read.
01:07:03.000We have a donation message from David Edwards.
01:08:05.000It's a huge win, but I'm less interested about that.
01:08:10.000I'm more interested about suburban Republicans that are like, oh, I'm just like so over Trump that now have a reason and a justification to vote for Trump.
01:08:19.000Tyler, in our chasing and in our conversation, that's a big deal, isn't it?
01:08:33.000There's a lot of people who they say, my vote doesn't matter, or I just don't really like anybody that's involved.
01:08:39.000The JD Vance, you know, I'll say angle that is being taken tonight is people don't really, they realize they don't really know him.
01:08:49.000This is their first introduction ever to the guy who could potentially be the second in line to the commander in chief position.
01:08:58.000And they're going, Wait, why have I been held out on really getting to know the actual real JD?
01:09:03.000I've just been told he's this, this like, you know, crazy bigoted, no name loser from Ohio.
01:09:10.000And the truth is, it's actually the opposite is that Tim Waltz is the crazy weirdo from Minnesota.
01:09:16.000And JD is a normal, by the way, millennial So millennial first ever would be millennial VP and the first ever millennial that's first in line to become the president.
01:09:32.000And so I think all the millennials now is the largest voting bloc that is in America, millennial voters.
01:09:38.000Millennial and Gen Z now outnumber the silent generation of baby boomers.
01:09:42.000Millennials are looking at this and going, This looks like a guy that's on my street, and he talks smart, he's good, he knows he understands us, and I'm gonna roll the dice and take a risk on him.
01:09:54.000I think that that's why he's a senator today.
01:09:56.000We're never going to have a Gen X president.
01:09:58.000We're just going to skip straight past him to the millennials.
01:12:00.000But we're talking about the stuff that is now JD is now in history books this stuff will be studied in political science classes like there's only think about it like since the year 2000 there's been one two three four five six there's been seven of these I mean that's this happens as frequently as the Olympics there are less VP debates than there are presidential debates And this is probably the first vice presidential debate that was more exciting than Olympic breakdancing.
01:13:00.000And thanks most importantly to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate.
01:13:07.000I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit, because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.
01:13:13.000I was raised in a working-class family.
01:13:15.000My mother required food assistance for periods of her life.
01:13:18.000My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me, and she raised me in part because my own mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of my early life.
01:13:26.000I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq, and so I stand here asking to be your Vice President with extraordinary gratitude for this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams, And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable.
01:13:47.000I want to try to convince you tonight, over the next 90 minutes, that if we get better leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American dream is going to be attainable once again.
01:13:56.000I mean, so what he did right there was in less than two minutes, He distilled the essence, he didn't say Hillbilly Elegy, but he distilled the essence of what Hillbilly Elegy is, what it means, the discussions of how the American dream is available to some but has been degraded over so many years, but also distilled the essence of someone overcoming great adversity
01:14:30.000Great troubles at an extremely early age when you have no capacity whatsoever to be able to do those things and to be called into it again and again, facing adversity and coming out on top and then connecting his story with the average person out there who's trying to just think, how do I make it through?
01:14:51.000Whatever it is that I'm facing right now and then I turn on the news and I hear there's some war going on or there's some people lost their homes and my gosh what if what if that happened to me?
01:15:01.000He spoke to those incredibly and you know JD delivered this fantastic speech introducing himself and if you notice Tim Walls didn't have
01:15:11.000any introductory statement. Now they didn't have formal introductory
01:15:15.000statements but again I mentioned before Tim just started off on the wrong foot
01:15:19.000never really got his footing and I think that if he had just taken a few seconds
01:15:24.000to deliver a statement, introducing himself to people, setting himself
01:15:29.000from where he wanted to do, this sets the frame for the rest of your entire
01:15:36.000JD did that, Tim Walz never did, and you saw what happened as a result.
01:16:24.000Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border.
01:16:29.000I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules.
01:16:33.000I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country, and we know that they use children as drug mules, and it is a disgrace, and it has to stop.
01:16:43.000Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.
01:16:45.000For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy.
01:16:53.000We had a record number of illegal crossings.
01:16:55.000We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.
01:16:58.000And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, she says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.
01:17:06.000The only thing that she did When she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.
01:17:18.000This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.
01:17:22.000Parents who can't afford healthcare, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president again.
01:17:31.000Yeah, I mean, the 94 executive actions, you know, they like to bring up this border bill.
01:17:37.000They say, oh, well, you know, Donald Trump killed the border bill or else and we would have border security if Donald Trump just didn't cause it.
01:17:42.000It's like, no, you had all the power you needed in the executive branch.
01:19:09.000They've leaked documents to her, stolen from our campaign, that they hacked.
01:19:14.000Russia has said they want Kamala Harris to be president because a weak America is good for Russia, a weak America is good for Iran, and a weak America is great for China, all of whom are chomping at the bit for a Harris-Waltz administration and the continuation of the Biden policies that have failed America for the last three and a half years.
01:19:34.000Man, and this was so bad for Walz, and it could have been so much worse, because they could have been like, you know, Governor Walz, you were governor during a famous moment in the history of the city of Minneapolis.
01:19:47.000According to accounts from other Democrats, you were basically hiding under your desk, sobbing during the entire sequence of events, causing many people to die and many buildings to be destroyed.
01:20:14.000I feel like that was really effective.
01:20:16.000But I think overall tonight, if you're an undecided voter in America, I don't know that you come away with tonight with an additional clarity.
01:20:23.000It kind of reminded me of the June 27th debate when Kamala Harris that night said of Joe Biden, it was a slow start, but a strong finish.
01:20:31.000And that's how I felt that Tim Walz kind of did tonight.
01:20:34.000You know, to use Tim Walz's own words, I mean, a lot about this debate tonight was weird.
01:20:40.000There were uncomfortable, cringy moments.
01:20:42.000But overall, I think my takeaway was something that Reince Priebus said on the outset, which
01:20:46.000was that JD Vance needed to come away as that humble, likable guy from Hillbilly Elegy.
01:20:52.000It seemed like he did perhaps get some points in that area.
01:21:27.000She was the moderator of the last debate, which shows what Trump was facing in one of the dumbest, most biased debates in modern presidential history.
01:21:38.000David Meir looks like he's taken five months worth of Ozempic since the last debate.
01:24:48.000I have to filibuster for a few more seconds.
01:24:49.000Well, Geraldo Rivera did famously open Al Capone's vault, and he found nothing inside, which means he basically found Tim Walz inside Al Capone's vault.
01:24:59.000That was a defining career moment for Geraldo Rivera.
01:25:02.000And today was a defining career moment for Tim Walls, so... I just want to remind you guys... 121, let's play it.
01:26:07.000So he basically, you know, 40, 54% thought Waltz would win and only 45% said he did so.
01:26:14.000And I think that's pretty decisive considering, I think this poll like others was, it was among all debate watchers.
01:26:21.000So a few things, one, their poll of debate watchers was slightly more Democrat than, you know, the nation as a whole.
01:26:27.000It sounds like there was a more Democrat audience actually tuning in to watch this one.
01:26:32.000And you also have to figure, Probably 40 to 45 percent of people are just locked in and they're going to say they're side one no matter what because that's how people are.
01:26:41.000So basically, Vance utterly dominated among people whose actual vote in terms of who won was up for grabs tonight.
01:26:50.000Jack, I know you got to run in a second here because the security's kicking you out of the room.
01:27:09.000So remember the last debate, people were in there with Trump and Kamala, I guess the only debate between Trump and Kamala you're probably going to see, where people said, you know, some people thought Trump didn't do so well, some people thought Kamala did better, etc, etc.
01:27:22.000And the issue is that there just aren't really that many people who are still undecided.
01:27:27.000But what's a huge swath of the people are currently undecided in those swing states.
01:27:33.000It's people, and we hear it again and again, and I did this rally on Sunday with Mr. Grant and R.F.K.
01:27:39.000and Tulsi and this sort of, you know, they're the Team Trump, the Make America Healthy again sign, I call it the Big Maha.
01:27:46.000But you've got people there who are sort of, they're looking for permission To vote for Donald Trump.
01:27:52.000They want permission to vote for Donald Trump.
01:27:55.000They say there's, there's things about him.
01:27:57.000Charlie, I know when you've done certain events, uh, when you go out to the community, you get that as well from different parts of the conservative movement to say, yeah, I'd like Donald Trump, but he just isn't quite the guy that I'm looking for.
01:28:09.000You know, they have some issue, whatever it is.
01:28:13.000Vance just became the permission that all those people were looking for because now mentally the false because in their head can say, look, even if we all know they really wanted to vote Trump anyway, now they can say, I want to vote Trump because J.D.
01:28:29.000Vance had such a great night, so I'm going to vote Trump because J.D.
01:28:32.000Vance did psychological permission that they're going to allow
01:28:38.000themselves to have that the next time that they're in a in a social setting, the
01:28:43.000next time they're at work, the next time they're at a you know a kids you know a
01:28:48.000kids event with other parents around and topic of politics comes up they say you
01:28:52.000know I wasn't too sure on Trump until I saw that that JD Vance come out there
01:28:57.000and he really he really swung me over. JD Vance becomes the fault because
01:29:01.000for those people and there's so many of them in the suburbs, in places like
01:29:06.000suburban Philadelphia, that we absolutely need to swing if we want
01:30:39.000This is a great night and could start what we've been waiting for, the Trump close.
01:30:44.000Just so everyone understands, the reputable polling of local state-based polling, despite the Mark Robinson situation, Trump up two or three in North Carolina, Trump up one or two in Georgia, Trump up maybe two or three in Arizona, Trump tied in Pennsylvania.
01:30:58.000That is a phenomenal October starting point.
01:31:02.000It's way better than we had in 2020, way better than we had in 2016.
01:31:07.000An election we won, and it's after we've had some tough news cycles, we've had some tough stories, and yet now we're in a position where you want to be.
01:31:57.000I'm sitting in the state of Wisconsin.
01:31:59.000You have basically the Pennsylvania-Georgia approach with North Carolina being on the board.
01:32:05.000If North Carolina is not on the board, you're going to need Arizona, Wisconsin, some kind of combination of Arizona, Wisconsin, and Nevada.
01:32:13.000Everyone knows that here at Turning Point Action, we've been saying statistically Arizona, Wisconsin is where everything is at.
01:32:19.000Everybody needs to get off the sidelines, like you said.
01:32:22.000They need to get involved, help us chase ballots.
01:32:24.000We are giving hotel rooms to people to come out of state into Arizona and Wisconsin.
01:32:29.000We're paying people for full-time and part-time positions.
01:32:33.000You can go to tpaction.com slash chase for more information.
01:32:38.000or join our commit 100 program, which is our volunteer program to commit to chase 100 ballots.
01:32:44.000You can do this remotely, you can do this in in Arizona or Wisconsin or other swing states, or you can travel to Arizona, Wisconsin, we'll put you in a hotel room and let you chase 100 ballots for As much time as you need, we'll put you there for one, two weeks to get those ballots.
01:33:20.000I want to overwhelm the left so bad that we chase every possible vote that we can get and leave nothing left out onto the field.
01:33:27.000That's tpaction.com slash chase tpaction.com slash 100 to join in and help us win.
01:33:35.000So Ty, let me ask you, if someone right now lives in Phoenix, let's say they live in Paradise Valley and they want to get involved and they never have before and they fill out the form, what does that look like in practice?
01:33:47.000Our team will be reaching out within typically 48 to 72 hours and we'll be assigning data to them on the Turning Point Action application.
01:33:59.000So what you're going to want to do, regardless if you sign up or not, you can download the Turning Point Action application.
01:34:04.000It's like the top 50 in the App Store right now, because that's so many people are downloading it and getting involved.
01:34:12.000You download that, you tap the top left hand corner, there's little arrows, you input your information, and it immediately will verify you to start knocking doors, making phone calls, sending text messages, or sending postcards.
01:34:25.000And you can do this at home without getting involved.
01:34:29.000with us by clicking voters near me and it'll show you all the voters that we need to chase that are near you where you sit at that time or you like I said you can go to the commit 100 program that's tpaction.com slash 100 sign up and our team will assign you a custom list that will pop up on your application so you can and then we'll provide training for you this is a couple hour training that we're doing every single day from now until the election at our headquarters or on zoom And you can get involved, know what you're doing, and then contact those voters to simply remind them to vote because these are people who need a little nudge, a little reminder, and maybe even some help to get to the polls or to remember to turn in their early vote, their early ballot.
01:35:13.000And that's what we're doing full time.
01:35:14.000We have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of staff and thousands of volunteers who are out doing this work.
01:35:21.000Everybody needs to lift where they stand.
01:35:23.000And if we do this together, we're going to be able to turn out hundreds of thousands of votes that are totally unexpected by the left.
01:35:31.000and make it almost impossible to lose, but everybody's gotta get involved.
01:35:39.000Does anything exist like this on the right?
01:35:41.000Is it fair to say that outside of the campaign, we have amassed the largest full-time and volunteer army in the conservative movement?
01:35:48.000Yeah, I was just telling Charlie before we got on here, I can't remember sleeping this little, except when my infants were just barely, or my newborns had come out.
01:36:00.000It feels like that first month of being a new dad because we are working so diligently, so hard, basically 23 hours a day, just working around the clock, helping assign people because there's so many good people who want to help out who have never done this work before.
01:36:18.000What we try to do at Turning Point Action is make it simple and make it easy because typically these things are complicated.
01:36:26.000Uh, we don't, we're not asking people to dedicate, uh, you know, weeks and months of their life.
01:36:31.000We need days and hours of, of your life for the next 34 days.
01:36:35.000So if you have one day, one Saturday, one evening where you can do stuff, my sister, you mentioned my sister earlier, who just became a member on charliekirk.com.
01:37:21.000For just a quick walkthrough and literally within just minutes you can be contacting voters and changing the entire context of this election.
01:37:29.000Tyler talk about, I'm glad we're spending time on this, and by the way I want to mention some members here that have become members of this program.
01:37:35.000Janet, Jessica, Mike, Catherine, Lawrence, Maxine, Altman, Pam, Rob, Denise, James, Hunter, Kimberly, Gloria, Kelly, Callum, Danny, give us 10 days to send you the hat.
01:38:13.000You can write on, you know, I always tell people, just use notebook paper, put it in an envelope and send it to people notes.
01:38:20.000People, you won't believe, most people don't get handwritten notes in the mail.
01:38:24.000And so on our application, if you go to send postcards, it gives you the addresses to send them to.
01:38:31.000So if you sit down and just go through, you can write heartfelt notes to people who are your neighbors, people who need to be reminded to vote, and tell them, hey, our country is going down the toilet.
01:39:35.000You can go on, write notes, write postcards, handwritten notes, handwritten postcards, and send them to neighbors and just say, please vote.
01:39:42.000This is our last chance to save the country.
01:40:02.000Yeah, and Tyler, just because I want to make sure people understand this, the app is sending you to people that are registered likely conservatives, right?
01:40:12.000So you're gonna be talking to like-minded people.
01:40:19.000People that are members at charliekirk.com, people that watch this program, people that tune in daily, they probably don't resonate or really connect all the time with the fact that there is a huge slice of the population that supports Trump's policies, likes him, feels warmly towards him, but they just don't vote.
01:40:43.000I was just going to say, to that point, this is like the craziest thing that we've seen.
01:40:47.000The number one reason why people don't vote, we all know, and it's because they think their vote doesn't matter.
01:40:52.000You wouldn't believe what we discovered was the number two reason people don't vote.
01:40:56.000The number two reason people don't vote is because they legitimately think that they voted and they didn't.
01:41:03.000So sometimes that's, they just, they think literally watching TV is voting.
01:41:08.000They think voting in the primary is enough.
01:41:11.000They voted in a primary, they think they forget because in Arizona, our primary is not that far away from the general.
01:41:17.000And so when people vote now with early voting, this is like an actual real thing.
01:41:21.000Because of early voting, I could vote on election day and within a month have a ballot at my house already again for the general in some of these states.
01:41:29.000And so people literally get confused and they forget.
01:41:32.000Or they They think their wife voted for them by mail, or their husband voted for them by mail, or they just forget, and they're embarrassed, and they don't want to admit that they didn't vote, but they had every intention to vote.
01:41:52.000They have to remember to vote because people just will neglect to do it.
01:41:55.000They'll forget, they'll get busy, and they'll wish they had, and they'll even pretend that they had or tell them that they had.
01:42:02.000Tyler, there's a crazy stat out of Arizona that will blow people's minds.
01:42:08.000Part of what we're doing is we're going to like red districts.
01:42:11.000We're going to where the conservatives are.
01:42:14.000And Paul Gosar's district at 58,000, Tyler, you can fact check me, 58,000 registered Republicans that voted in 2016 and did not vote in 2020 or vice versa.
01:42:25.000So these are what we call low prop conservatives, right?
01:42:35.000Two districts, we're talking about almost 100,000 people that did not show up, that are registered, that like our ideas, that agree with us on the way the country should go, and they just didn't show up, and we fell 10,000 ballots short in 2020.
01:44:19.000They think that voting in the primary is enough.
01:44:22.000This guy had a shrine, did not vote, his vote was not registered in the last two elections.
01:44:28.000So do not assume that somebody that is the most Trumpy, you know, sure thing is voted.
01:44:35.000You have to double, triple check every person that you know to make sure that they actually got their vote in, because we have seen it in real time.
01:44:44.000Yeah, and Charlie, you've made this point a lot lately.
01:44:47.000Notice that Democrats are not doing the whole, every vote matters, we gotta maximize turnout and all of that.
01:44:54.000Like, they have been silent on this because in the era of Trump, the voter map and the calculus of the parties has changed.
01:45:06.000Democrats actually will do better with low turnout in this election.
01:45:09.000Because Trump is dominating the low-propensity voters.
01:45:12.000This could really backfire on them if they're not doing their machine.
01:45:16.000Because that means that if we turn out our voters, we could win by a lot.
01:45:22.000The game is that if they decide to boost turnout like 2020, they think they win low-prop voters.
01:45:28.000They're not winning low-prop voters right now.
01:45:30.000They're not winning the muscular class, the waiters, the waitresses.
01:45:33.000So they're like, hey, if we try to go like super targeted with our people, but don't do the mass propaganda, then maybe we can meet in the middle.
01:45:41.000But if we drive out our voters, we win.
01:45:44.000But my concern is, my concern is that we don't drive out our voters, and that we win in the polls and we lose in the count, and all of a sudden a bunch of our people just stay at home.
01:45:57.000It's all this like very elaborate psychological game almost and as someone pointed out to me a sort of funny thing is is that the right sort of thrives on optimism they have to be like yeah we're winning let's get out there and kick butt and unfortunately I think that's just less effective than The Democrats psychological one, they're a little more like, I guess, feminine in their thinking.
01:46:27.000And like, that really works with them.
01:46:29.000That fires them all up and they get out and they get their ballots in.
01:46:33.000And this time, usually they've been able to bank on, it used to be Democrats were like the cool party or like the, You know, they had a little more cachet with the public, and, you know, Republicans were dorks who, you know, they cared about the budget or whatever, and so the Democrat thought was always, okay, just send turnout into the stratosphere, and we'll win, because turnout is high, and we'll get all of those marginal people, and a guy who doesn't follow politics a lot is gonna be like, oh yeah, I like the Democrats a bit more, and he'll shrug and vote for them.
01:47:55.000Well, I have a question actually for Tyler on this.
01:47:57.000So, you know, because there is such a massive move of disaffected Democrats, by the way, everybody should check out Charlie's Twitter on this.
01:48:36.000Because there was a big article in Politico talking about the ground game
01:48:41.000and there were some people on the left that were warning that, hey, it's really expensive,
01:48:47.000we can't afford all the ballot chasers we used to because of inflation,
01:48:51.000meaning Kamala caused their own demise there.
01:48:54.000But I'm curious about how clear the data is for them, how effective the data is because you have so many disaffected Dems.
01:49:05.000No, it's a great point and it's kind of the problem a little bit of what we had in 2020 was that the independent data and the low propensity Republican data was turning out a lot of Biden voters because the data was so bad for us and it was difficult to identify and shake out who are the people who were accidentally turning out Who actually are supporting Joe Biden, because they believe the media's lies, they had TDS, they had whatever.
01:49:34.000And then this even more so with the independents, because remember, there wasn't really a strong independent option on the ballot in 2020.
01:49:41.000You didn't really have a strong Libertarian or Green Party.
01:49:45.000And so you just you had just a lot of people who were just like, I just feel a little bit more Biden.
01:49:52.000This time it's the exact opposite in many ways.
01:49:55.000Number one, you had RFK and Bobby in the race for so long, you actually had a legitimate amount of people who wanted to vote for him.
01:50:03.000And this isn't like a little third party that was like one pulling at one or 2%.
01:50:08.000He was pulling in a lot of places, 15% for a lot of the race.
01:50:12.000So you had a lot of people who were engaging, who now have been like, okay, well, Bobby says Trump that I'm going to vote for Trump.
01:50:20.000So now you have a lot of independents who, if they try to chase those people, they're going to be accidentally turning out probably more Trump voters than Kamala voters.
01:50:30.000But then the low propensity Democrats, to your point, in almost every real poll that's existed, there are more defecting Democrats, both to independents, to third party candidates, or to Trump, than we have defecting to them.
01:50:47.000This is part of the reason why they've gone so hard on this whole Republicans for Kamala thing,
01:50:52.000and da da da, which are basically non-existent because she's left of like now. It just,
01:50:58.000and anybody who has a head on their shoulders can't really justify that. And they know that
01:51:02.000these people are lying when they say that she can be, you know, you can hold your nose. She's
01:51:07.000no Joe Biden. She's no moderate. And so they're actually running this huge risk that Republicans
01:51:13.000were doing last time because their lack of data, like you mentioned, it's more expensive for them
01:51:18.000to chase now. And their time is so small. They don't have time to sort this out. So they're